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---Logopened Mon Oct 03 00:00:44 2016
00:00<homer>can u help me in installing postgresql, i remove the software and now i can no longer reinstall
00:01<homer>update-alternatives: error: alternative path /usr/share/postgresql/9.4/man/man1/psql.1.gz doesn't exist
00:01<homer>dpkg: error processing package postgresql-client-9.4 (--configure):
00:01<dpkg>homer: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
00:01<homer> subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
00:01<homer>Errors were encountered while processing:
00:01<homer> postgresql-client-9.4
00:01<homer>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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00:27<rajulocal>Is spyder3 in stretch broken? Can anyone running testing please confirm this?
00:28<rajulocal>I am getting errors as reported in http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-science-maintainers/2016-October/044582.html
00:30<Arcade>rajulocal, see #debian-next (help here is for Jessie)
00:30<rajulocal>Thanks. I will check in that channel.
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01:16<ach>hi
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01:30<twb>Will gnome-maps work on an airgapped network?
01:30<twb>I'm looking for GTK replacements for KDE Edu stuff --- in this case, "marble".
01:31<twb>(I really want a virtual terrestrial globe, but the only other choice I can see is World Wind)
01:31<twb>https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Maps says it uses OSM, so presumably I'd have to set up, like, a local OSM server
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01:58<Echoz>twb: Gnome stuff is usually kind of lacking in features. The included things, anyway
01:58<twb>Yeah I gave up on that approach and instead just asked #openstreetmap for advice
01:58<twb>waiting for them to wake up
02:00<Echoz>twb: depending on your dignity I guess you could give google earth a try
02:00<twb>*airgapped*
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02:01<Echoz>Haha, then I will assume that's out of the question
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02:03<twb>it's for a prison, so either it's airgapped or they don't get it
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02:04<anonymous_>hola >v
02:04<anonymous_>Hi
02:05<anonymous_>Isis
02:05<twb>anonymous_: do you have a Debian question?
02:06<anonymous_>Speak spanish_
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02:07<andres_>Hello
02:07<twb>!es
02:07<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
02:08<andres_>I have a Debian question
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02:09<anonymous_>Alguien es de Peru :v
02:09<twb>anonymous_: ask away
02:10<twb>Er @andres_
02:10<jcrain>twb: there is http://jonasdn.blogspot.com/2015/09/using-offline-local-tiles-with-gnome.html if you can figure out how to make that work
02:11<andres_>to install non-free firmware do I need to do it via USB or can I do it through terminal?
02:11<jcrain>i saw that linked from https://lwn.net/Articles/695337/
02:11<andres_>I just installed Debian and am very new.
02:11<jm_>!non-free
02:11<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
02:11<jm_>bleh
02:12<jm_>!tell andres_ -about non-free sources
02:12<anonymous_>hello
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02:12<twb>jcrain: thanks
02:13<andres_>thanks
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02:18<jm_>andres_: there are also installation images with non-free firmware on them in case you need it in the future
02:19<andres_>thanks, I read about that and will keep that in mind
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03:32<john11111>i would like to get openJDK source code
03:33<john11111>i downloaded http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk7/jdk7/shortlog/ee67ee3bd597
03:33<john11111>and then ./get_source.sh but i get ERROR: Need initial clone with 'hg paths default' defined
03:33<john11111>any help?
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03:42<jm_>this channel is for help with debian, try ##java on irc.freenode.net
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03:48<twb>Or, perhaps, the openjdk channel. (#openjdk on OFTC)
03:49<twb>http://openjdk.java.net/guide/repositories.html from their /topic
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04:06<john11111>thx
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05:04<qxt>I wrote a little script to see if there is a new kernel out since there is way to much custom stuff to do a full system upgrade. apt-cache policy linux-image-`uname -r` this seems to work for small kernel iteration but not big ones. How do I see if there is a big iteration out?
05:06<themill>Which release of debian is this for?
05:07<twb>qxt: I just use "rmadison linux" If you want to know about your running version, you can just apt-get upgrade
05:07<qxt>have about 8 VMs using Debian. 76using stable and 2 on testing
05:07<qxt>blah... 6 using *
05:08<themill>so you're choosing to up install security updates?
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05:08<themill>*not
05:08<qxt>Just a kernel upgrade.
05:08<qxt>Need to test upstream vfio things in the kernel
05:09<themill>If you're running stable, then the package upgrades are only security upgrades or fixes to important bugs
05:09<twb>really really important bugs
05:09<twb>Just "important" bugs don't get fixed in stable :P
05:09<themill>actually, they do
05:09<twb>Never mind, I was being a smartarse
05:09<themill>
05:10<qxt>apt-cache policy linux-image-`uname -r`
05:11<qxt>seems to only pick up small iterations.
05:11<twb>qxt: the uname -r will change for new ABI bumps
05:11<twb>qxt: so yea
05:11<qxt>but not the big ones. Sure I could do something like aptitude search linux-image*
05:12<themill>qxt: it really feels like you're solving the wrong problem
05:12<twb>Agree
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05:12<twb>qxt: what is this testing you need to do, and why can't you just apply all security updates regularly, then roll back the kernel if there's a problem?
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05:13<EmleyMoor>Is there a good way to check a graphics card's compatibility with Debian? Looking at one by MSI, on an NVidia chipset, and want to check it will perform OK
05:13<qxt>these machines are only for software development. Some of them are air gapped. A full system upgrade could brake a lot of stuff
05:14<qxt>Just need to test a new kernel
05:14<themill>on stable? no... it's not going to break things
05:14<qxt>.... need to test the vfio stuff before I even think of using a backport
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05:17<twb>qxt: if they're all the same, just upgrade a sacrificial lamb first
05:17<twb>qxt: and this is Debian Stable, it really really isn't going to break
05:17<twb>It's not like Ubuntu LTS where they just randomly disable major kernel features in a security update
05:18<themill>Wanting to test things is fine; it's orthogonal to applying security updates in stable.
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05:19<qxt>Wont brake the system but some of the things I am doing with the upstream RedHat could act a bit wonky. Been having mem leaks etc. Debugging is a pain as it it.
05:20<twb>Er, RH isn't upstream of Debian
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05:30<agey>Hi all, i recently upgraded to strech/sid, but after the upgrade my screen flickers all the time. When i login to windows it seems to be fine. I have a lenovo thinkpad E540. Here is a pastebin of dmesg: http://pastebin.com/1ep4gu5R
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05:31<agey>Im no debian expert so i dont know what other info might be of use. Is this a known issue or any idea how to fix it?
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05:31<twb>!next
05:31<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
05:31<twb>!sid
05:31<dpkg>i guess sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
05:31<twb>Grargh
05:31<twb>agey: try #debian-next for support with unstable & testing
05:31<agey>thanks twb :)
05:32<EmleyMoor>Come to think of it I have a query for them too!
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05:37<jrtc27>twb: there's !testing
05:37<jrtc27>!testing
05:37<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical!
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05:38<jm_>EmleyMoor: man nvidia, for non-free driver there's a newer version in backports
05:38<jm_>ahh xserver-xorg-video-nvidia is also on bpo
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06:22<qxt>why are there two of what looks like the same linux pkgs. aptitude show linux-image-4.7.0-1-amd64 and aptitude show linux-image-4.7.0-1-amd64-unsigned.
06:22<qxt>guess one is singed. Is that the only diff?
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06:24<Zomb_>it would be nice to see a hint what's the meaning of being signed. One might think it's "tainted" by some secure boot poison.
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06:25<Zomb_>qxt: I just made the same question on #debian-kernel before noticing the last phrase in the description :-(
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06:28<qxt>The wording really needs to be cleaned up if that is what is meant. 99% of people when hearing signed think of signed pkgs that can be trusted.
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06:31<qxt>Zomb_, did you get a solid answer on what is meant by signed ?
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06:31<Zomb_>qxt: noone responded yet. Nevermind, people are busy.
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06:51<micha-->Hi, I have an issue with module permissions: I have to use sudo to load nvidia-uvm, it doesn't load automatically when starting darktable
06:52<MarkedOne>Hello, how can I install netbeans to my Jessie?
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06:53<micha-->I remember changing something about module permissions a long time ago, but I don't find it anymore. Where would I configure user permissions to load kernel modules?
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07:01<MarkedOne>Why Netbeans is not in Jessie?
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07:04<jm_>if you look on https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/netbeans you'll see it was removed from testing before jessie release
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07:05<MarkedOne>How can I install it?
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07:06<jm_>you can't unless you try and backport it yourself
07:06<jm_>or install it from source ...
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07:07<MarkedOne>Hmm... Thank you.
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10:25<mago_>hello everybody. I am experiencing printing problems with under debian jessie. I get a "f
10:25<mago_>hello everybody. I am experiencing printing problems with under debian jessie. I get a "filter failed"
10:25<mago_>hello everybody. I am experiencing printing problems with under debian jessie. I get a "filter failed" error
10:25<mago_>Sorry for the multiple posts, my hand slipped.
10:26<itd>mago_: tell us more. e.g.: what kind of printer? where did you try to print from?
10:28<mago_>Hi, the printer is a shared network printer using samba. The driver we have to use is the "Generic PostScript Printer Foomatic/Postscript (recommended)". I tried normal text files and they work fine. The problem shows up when trying to print PDFs files.
10:31<mago_>thanks for the answer itd
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10:33<itd>mago_: what does /var/log/cups/error_log say?
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10:36<mago_>itd: the errors I find are "PID 22764 (gs) crashed on signal 11!" and "PID 22765 (pstops) stopped with status 1!" I can post the entire log on pastebin if you prefer.
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10:37<itd>yes, please post the entire log on paste.debian.net
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10:40<mago_>itd:http://paste.debian.net/853855/
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10:47<itd>mago_: Could you please set 'LogLevel debug' in '/etc/cups/cupsd.conf'; try again to print and post the new '/var/log/cups/error_log' afterwards?
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10:48<retrospectacus>mago_: this guy had success for that error by reinstalling libgs9
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10:48<retrospectacus>https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=128802
10:52<mago_>itd: http://paste.debian.net/853866/
10:53<mago_>retrospectacus: I have reinstalled libgs9, but that did not solve.
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10:59<itd_>mago_: does converting from pdf to ps work?
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11:00<mago_>itd_: pdf2ps tells me "Segmentation fault", so I guess that might be a problem, but how do I solve it?
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11:11<itd_>mago_: good question... you could try to install "strace" and run "strace pdf2ps in.pdf out.ps". The (long) output *may* give a hint what is going on.
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11:16<grawity>segfaults are rarely straceable though
11:18<itd_>Do you have another suggestion? :) (Because I don't.)
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11:19<grawity>gdb
11:19<grawity>and, -dbg / -dbgsym packages
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11:20<mago_>itd_: dunno what's happening. It's weird though that it is happening on a repo package, right?
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11:30<pep3sy>To set your default nick use the command, replacing user with your desired nickname:
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11:32<itd_>mago_: I've never seen this before, but that doesn't mean a thing.
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11:38<mago_>itd_: should I write on the forum?
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11:48<mago_>itd_: little update, if I use xpdf that calls lpr I am able to print the file.
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13:04<gazzille>hi
13:04<gazzille>I have an issue with debian 8
13:05<gazzille>I made a citrix VM with this OS
13:05<gazzille>I installed postgres database
13:05<gazzille>so, sometimes I get strange errors
13:05<gazzille>can you help me, please?
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13:09<d_himro>gazzille: I'm sorry, I forgot my crystal ball to read thoughts
13:10<gazzille>yes
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13:10<gazzille>I meant if anyone can help me with this topic
13:10<pdofn14>Guys, rellay need your help.
13:11<pdofn14>I can't use my touchpad anymore
13:11<gazzille>d_himro: if it is possible, I will provide you with all details
13:11<mtn>gazzille: you won't get any help without giving details
13:11<d_himro>gazzille: tell me more details, maybe I can help, maybe no
13:11<mtn>pdofn14: what did you change?
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13:12<gazzille>d_himro: can I show you the error?
13:12<pdofn14>Bitung, fresh install.
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13:13<mtn>pdofn14: which version of debian?
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13:13<pdofn14>Wait for a while pleas.
13:13<d_himro>gazzille: lets try
13:13*mtn patiently waits
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13:14<gazzille>d_miro: this is the error: LOG: semctl(7602176, 0, IPC_RMID, ...) failed: Invalid argument
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13:14<gazzille>d_himro: in debian 7.5 I didn't get this error
13:15<d_himro>gazzille: when and where do you see this error?
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13:15<Guest959>msg pep3s his
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13:15<pdofn14>Hello back
13:15<gazzille>d_himro: when I perform a database backup
13:15<pdofn14>I'm using debian 8.6
13:16<pdofn14>with latest update
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13:16<pdofn14>please, it's really weird bugs I guess.
13:17<pdofn14>Previously, my touchpad was worked successfully but now I'm really crying
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13:17<mtn>pdofn14: ok, so the touchpad was working with debian?
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13:18<pdofn14>mtn: my elantech pad.
13:18<mtn>pdofn14: ok, so the touchpad was working with debian?
13:18<pdofn14>On Acer V5-431 1007u
13:18<mtn>pdofn14: that is a yes/no question
13:18<pdofn14>no
13:19<pdofn14>for now
13:19<mtn>pdofn14: then why did you say it won't work anymore? it never did work?
13:20<pdofn14>It worked previously on old system. But when using new system after installion progress and update, no works.
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13:20<mtn>pdofn14: ah, ok, now you are making sense. did you go to the debian wiki and look for help?
13:22<pdofn14>mtn: yes, I just checked the debian wiki firstly, and then googling (some says edit the 50-synaptic in xorg input setting), and now I'm really no have idea for whats going on here
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13:23<mtn>pdofn14: did you follow this? https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/ElantechTouchpad
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13:24<d_himro>gazzille: sorry, I have never seen errors like this.
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13:24<mtn>pdofn14: and this one, too: https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad
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13:26<gazzille>d_himro: thank you very much
13:26<pdofn14>gpointing-device-settings didn't arrive as jessie official package, meanwhile I have checked your link too.
13:26<pdofn14>mtn
13:26<mtn>,v gpointing-device-settings
13:26<judd>Package: gpointing-device-settings on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.5.1-6; sid: 1.6.0~git20150314.de7fe9e7-1
13:27<mtn>pdofn14: what have you done to get it working? what happened when you did that? what errors do you get?
13:28<pdofn14>mtn: I using same steps when installing new system like old system which I did before: Using grapical installer, fast next step, put root and ordinary user password.
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13:29<pdofn14_>sorry, disconnected.
13:30<pdofn14_>mtn: same like old system with graphical installer.
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13:30<pdofn14_>mtn: but no error shows anymore, just no working
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13:38<Misso>Hello
13:40<Misso>I'm looking for some help with installing debian on fujitsu lifebook e546. Touchpad and wifi not working on debian jessie
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13:49<jardelvdas>Ola pessoal.
13:49<jardelvdas>Alguem pode ajudar com HDMI debian 8?
13:49<jardelvdas>Tenho ubuntu e debian instalado, porem no debian nao funcuina HDMI.
13:50<jmcnaught>!pt
13:50<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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13:56<pdofn14>mtn: no works, both googling and debian wiki can't make bright solving.
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13:57<pdofn14>Or maybe caused by kernel which I need switch to sid?.
13:58<pdofn14>I really dunno how bad touchpad issue after reinstalling/
13:58<pdofn14>;-(
14:00<jmcnaught>pdofn14: do you have an xorg.conf or files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ? Did you before on the old install where it was working?
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14:01<pdofn14>jmcnaught: I swear never touch anything in xorg.conf.d foldera anymore when using old install.
14:02<jmcnaught>pdofn14: you mean that on the previous install you didn't need to change anything there manually?
14:02<pdofn14>excatly
14:02<jmcnaught>pdofn14: both the previous and current installs were jessie?
14:02<pdofn14>yes sir.
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14:03<pdofn14>the different why i need reinstall because the mount problem
14:03*jmcnaught might not be a sir.
14:03<pdofn14>anyway, how to switch to sid
14:03<pdofn14>??
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14:03<jmcnaught>i don't know your mount problem, but i guess that was fixed?
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14:04<pdofn14>What fixed?. The touchpad or the mount problem.
14:04<jmcnaught>switching to sid is a drastric measure in my opinion, especially if your goal is "reliable, minimal maintenance computer"
14:04<jmcnaught>pdofn14: you no longer have the mount problem, but you do have the touchpad problem?
14:05<jmcnaught>pdofn14: can you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on https://paste.debian.net/ ?
14:07<pdofn14>jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/854194/
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14:07<jmcnaught>pdofn14: what we're looking for here (together of course ;) is log entries about your touchpad, mouse, pointing device
14:08<pdofn14>xinput detect it as well, but not my system. Strange
14:08<jmcnaught>pdofn14: line 331 of your paste is where it starts
14:09<pdofn14>no image upload here?.
14:09<jmcnaught>lines 365-366 could be relevant, ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad: Ignoring device from InputClass "touchpad ignore duplicates"
14:10<jmcnaught>pdofn14: any image site is fine, we prefer no ads/javascript
14:10<pdofn14>any suggestions?.
14:11<jmcnaught>http://imgur.com/ and then link directly to the image
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14:16<jmcnaught>pdofn14: maybe kind of obvious, but my laptop has a shortcut (fn+F8) to disable the touchpad. anything like that on yours?
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14:16<pdofn14>jmcnaught: what a damn, thank you. I stressed away and fn-f7 fix this problem.
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14:17<pdofn14>Now I need some sleep.
14:17<mtn>\o/
14:17<jmcnaught>pdofn14: nice. i'm a trackpoint user myself. goodnight :)
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14:18<pdofn14>bye-bye from indonesia.
14:18<pdofn14>so sleeppy.
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14:34<fj[m]>Hello guys ! (I thinks there is no women ? Lol) did you use nginx as a reverse proxy ?
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14:35<jmcnaught>fj[m]: that there are no women here is a false and offensive assumption. Lots of people using nginx, do you have a question?
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14:37<fj[m]>I'm jocking! I have an issue in using it as a reverse proxy, with a web application that use websocket
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14:37<jmcnaught>!ask
14:37<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
14:37<fj[m]>Some people have experience in this type of application ?
14:38<jmcnaught>fj[m]: ^^
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14:50<illwieckz>fj[m], just ask your question, do not look for someone to answer you, look for an answer
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14:52<mjampala>hello debian folks, I need some help building debian using debootstrap.
14:52<mjampala>I tried following the info under https://wiki.debian.org/PowerPCSPEPort
14:52<mjampala>but I cannot get beyond the "Installing the port", debootstrap --keyring=...
14:52<mjampala>gives me this error
14:52<mjampala> [sudo] password for mjampala:
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14:54<mjampala>http://paste.debian.net/hidden/4798e900
14:56<mjampala>I am experiencing a problem working with debian bootstrap. Can you guys please take a look @ the above pastebin link and let us know if you ave any suggestions to try
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14:58<jmcnaught>mjampala: who does the key B4C86482705A2CE1 belong to?
14:59<mjampala>I am not idea. maybe some maintainer of debian ports
15:02<jmcnaught>mjampala: i looked at the instructions you linked to and it mentions a specific keyring. Could you show the whole command that you used, not truncated?
15:03<mjampala>sudo debootstrap --arch=ppc64 --variant=buildd sid /chroots/sid-ppc64 http://deb.debian.org/debian-ports
15:03<mjampala>that's the command I used
15:03<mjampala>deb http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports/ unstable main
15:03<mjampala>deb http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports/ unreleased main
15:03<mjampala>deb http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports/ experimental main
15:03<mjampala>those are contents of my sources file
15:04<jmcnaught>mjampala: better to move this to #debian-next, you're in the stable support channel
15:05<mjampala>Ok, do you think it is signing issue
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15:05<jmcnaught>mjampala: i think that you need to specify a keyring as shown in the examples on the instructions page that you linked to, but please let's take this to the correct channel, this channel is for jessie support only
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15:06<mjampala>ok ,thanks
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15:12<mattti>Hey somebody use Selenium IDE?
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15:24<mdx0>Hi, I like to configure my keyboard to qwertz layout, but, dpkg gives this out:dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
15:24<mdx0>update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults
15:24<mdx0>update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults
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15:25<mots>I'm pretty sure you can ignore those warnings.
15:25<mots>That just means some init script hasn't updated.
15:25<mots>*been
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15:29<mdx0>then I execute these commands :service keyboard-setup restart: and then :udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input --action=change but nothing happens
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15:35<mdx0>In: /etc/default/keyboard allready written: XKBLAYOUT="de"
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15:36<grummund>mdx0: try loadkeys de
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15:37<mdx0>grummund, how
15:38<grummund>at the command line
15:38<mdx0>cant open file
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15:40<grummund>mdx0: you want to configure for X or the console?
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15:42<mdx0>I only need to change to QWERTZ
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15:43<grummund>for X or the console?
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15:44<grummund>mdx0: in GUI environment?
15:44<mdx0>l
15:44<mdx0>lxde
15:45<mdx0>the man page knows loadkeys
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15:45<grummund>loadkeys is for console so ignore what i said
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15:47<mdx0>I need a configuration for the whole system
15:47<master007>hi, how do i change the font for the menu taskbar where it says "menu"?
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15:48<grummund>mdx0: sorry i'm out of suggestions
15:48<ecc>how can I "pre-seed" network-manager with a wifi password in advance (i.e. for an ssid that's not in range yet), so it will connect automatically once I get there? nmcli solution preferred since this is for an embedded device
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15:49<mdx0>grummund, thank you
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15:50<mdx0>grummund, were is the configuration file for X
15:50<jmcnaught>ecc: you could make a keyfile in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/
15:50<lord_rob>Hi! When I do "xset dpms force off" the screen is turned until I pressed a key or I move the mouse. Is it possible to turn on the screen only when I press a key?
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15:51<grummund>mdx0: as far as i know, so long as /etc/default/keyboard is configured correctly then X should be taken care of
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15:52<grummund>mdx0: but maybe a reboot and/or restart X would be in order
15:52<mdx0>Im better be careful and dont try it
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15:54<ecc>jmcnaught: will it be sufficient to just fill in the wifi-security section? because I won't know the uuid
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15:55<jmcnaught>ecc: if possible i would create that file with the native tools (nmcli or nmtui) and then copy it
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15:57<grummund>Is network-manager the preferred method for managing access to multiple wireless networks??
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15:59*grummund lost all network config after an ap-get snafu and so wondering what needs installing to recover from that
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16:07<Airwave>How can I check which package in the repository creates a specific user?
16:07<Airwave>The package is not already installed.
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16:09<jmcnaught>Airwave: in general, or a specifc user you're asking about?
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16:15<blast007>Airwave: if in general, I think this should show most of them: 'apt-cache rdepends adduser' with some others missing the adduser dependency: https://lintian.debian.org/tags/maintainer-script-needs-depends-on-adduser.html
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16:26<Airwave>jmcnaught, blast007: It's a specific user, not in general.
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16:27<jmcnaught>Airwave: which user? or is it a mystery?
16:27<Airwave>jmcnaught: nagios
16:27<blast007>must be a secret
16:28<Airwave>I know that icinga-common and icinga-cgi both create that user. I was wondering which other packages do.
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16:29<jmcnaught>Airwave: it will be a postinst script in one of the .debs that creates it. One of the nagios3- packages likely creates that user too
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16:29<Airwave>jmcnaught: Is there any way to figure out which ones without having to download the debs?
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16:35<jmcnaught>Airwave: not that i know of, but you could try searching https://sources.debian.net/
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16:37<Airwave>jmcnaught: Okay, thanks
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16:59<alexthebassist>Hi there. I was trying to update my Debian Stretch, but apt doesn't work: it's always stuck at “0% Working” after I update package lists
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16:59<alexthebassist>What should I do to resolve the problem?
17:00<itd_>alexthebassist: try #debian-next
17:00<alexthebassist>Okay
17:00<alexthebassist>Thanks
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17:26<mdx0>can I damage a sdcard when I format it with ext4
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17:27<jmcnaught>mdx0: you can lose data that's already on it
17:27<retrospectacus>"damage"? No, but it will not likely work in another device
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17:28<mdx0>thanks
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17:30<mdx0>but Im still on the other problem with my keyboard configuration. Im not be able to toggle it to a qwertz layout
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17:31<retrospectacus>!keymap
17:31<dpkg>Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>.
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17:31<mdx0>keymap is missing
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17:36<jmcnaught>mdx0: what happens when you run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" ?
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17:39<mdx0>update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults
17:39<mdx0>update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to default
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17:44<jmcnaught>mdx0: that's the only thing it does, or that's one of the things it does?
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17:44<mdx0>no, thats the whole output after executing the command you gave me
17:45<jmcnaught>mdx0: as root?
17:46<mdx0>with sudo
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17:46<jmcnaught>mdx0: and you are running it interactively?
17:47<jmcnaught>mdx0: what about: "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=readline LC_ALL=C dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration"
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17:52<mdx0>sudo DEBIAN_FRONTEND=readline LC_ALL=C dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
17:52<mdx0>update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults
17:52<mdx0>update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults
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17:55<jmcnaught>mdx0: "DEBIAN_PRIORITY=low dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" ? (this environment variable will tell the debconf system to ask you all questions)
17:57<petn-randall>or dpkg-reconfigure -plow keyboard-configuration
17:57<jmcnaught>heh, yeah that's simpler
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18:00<mdx0>thanks, I will test it......
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18:14<awal1>mdx0, if you want to change your keymap in X just run setxkbmap -layout language
18:15<awal1>if that's what you wanted to do ^
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18:15<mdx0>thanks
18:16<awal1>mdx0, example: setxkbmap -layout es for spanish
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18:21<jmcnaught>or in GNOME add it as an input source in "region and language" settings, and use Super+Space to switch
18:21<mdx0>I use LXDE
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18:23<jmcnaught>mdx0: does it have a similar dialog in its settings program?
18:25<mdx0>awall, your suggestion was the right hint...I mean it have work...but does it permanently work i.e. after a reboot?
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18:27<mdx0>jmccroha1, I only execute the command: setxkbmap .layout de, and the shell quit without a message
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18:27<awal1>mdx0, not sure right now
18:27<awal1>i mean under lxde
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18:28<awal1>I dont use lxde so no clue, but under openbox I add that command to the autostart file
18:29<awal1>when needed ^
18:29<mdx0>openbox I also here installed......okay, I have one more problem here.....this
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18:31<awal1>I believe it's not permanent thats why I ended adding it to autostart file
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18:34<mdx0>awal1, this one line I can frequently typing in this pc........ and on this netbook are some firmware/drivers not installed and sometimes the PC freezing and I have to reboot mostly when graphic needed i.e. multimedia
18:34<awal1>possibly console-common pkg is helpful too
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18:36<mdx0>yep, I note this
18:36<awal1>mdx0, I'm clueless about drivers and graphics bcuz debian have always worked fime in my machine with no more configs / headaches
18:37<awal1>no need to direct me. many users here are ready for help if they know something
18:37<awal1>just ask the room :P
18:37<mdx0>thank you very much
18:40<awal1>for me debian have worked without any problem all the time in all my intel machines (acer, dell, lenovo, toshiba..); I may have a lot of chance :P
18:40<grummund>mdx0: did you reboot yet?
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18:40<mdx0>not yet
18:40<grummund>i would
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18:42<mdx0>grummund, okay I be soon back
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18:45<mdx0>okay, I was not permanently
18:47<awal1>mdx0, lxde is a DE which uses openbox as default WM. for make it permanent (keymap change) you should use a proper lxde gui tool
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18:47<awal1>lxinput maybe ?
18:48<mdx0>is installed
18:48<awal1>so chek it if it have a feature for manage keymaps
18:49<awal1>check ^
18:49<mdx0>a very short man-page
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18:50<awal1>check the pkg itself I mean, run it and check settings
18:51<awal1>https://wiki.lxde.org/en/Change_keyboard_layouts
18:52<mdx0>okay, but there is one more important thing, why does the PC freezing sometimes and were I can look what happen
18:52<awal1>you may find a plugin to add in lxpanel
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19:01<mdx0>were I can look why the pc freezing sometimes or I have to install the missing firmware/drivers and exactly know how...but today it' enough for me....hope to see ya all again here....my eyes bleeding a little bit....and please excuse me for my bad English
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19:02<mdx0>thanks to all
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19:10<xecutiv>hello?
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19:11<xecutiv>Question: I used checkinstall to install "python" via dpkg. I want aptitude to also recognize that this package should satisfy other packages like libpython2.7 and python 2.7 and idle.
19:11<xecutiv>I modified "Provides" field when running checkinstall, but apt-get install -f still tries to install python2.7, etc.
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19:12<plasmid>new to debian/linux
19:12<xecutiv>What is the way to modify DEB package so that apt-get will not try installing these other packages but assume that this new "python" actually consumes the others
19:13<plasmid>I am trying to install lua on linux on debian but when I do an apt-get search lua i get an error
19:13<plasmid>root@debian:/home/yeti# apt-get search lua
19:13<plasmid>E: Invalid operation search
19:13<itd_>plasmid: you want "apt-cache search lua"
19:13<xecutiv>try this:
19:13<xecutiv>yes exactly what itd said
19:14<plasmid>ok.. let me try that and thank you.
19:15<plasmid>I do not see lua as a choice. Could it be that the only source it is looking at was my dvd iso disc 1? How can i make sure it looks at the debian mirrors too?
19:15<xecutiv>you want to modify /etc/apt/sources.list
19:16<itd_>!sources
19:16<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
19:16<plasmid>i mean .. i see liblua this and that.. but not lua itself. If i get liblua...will it automatically install lua?
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19:17<xecutiv>no
19:18<jmcnaught>plasmid: "apt-cache search ^lua | sort |less
19:18<jmcnaught>"
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19:20<plasmid>jmcnaught, i see the result as (END). Interesting to note that lua libraries are there but not lua. Maybe i am missing something there.
19:20<plasmid>*here
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19:22<jmcnaught>!show sources.list
19:22<dpkg>Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
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19:22<jmcnaught>http://paste.debian.net/ is best
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19:23<plasmid>jmcnaught, will paste in 10 secs.
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19:24<plasmid>paste.debian.net/854774
19:24<xecutiv>Can dpkg be used to make it APPEAR as though a package is intalled?
19:25<plasmid>jmcnaught, paste.debian.net/854774
19:25<itd_>xecutiv: how did you call checkinstall? how did you modify the provides field?
19:25<xecutiv>and then mark as manually installed in apt
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19:26<itd_>xecutiv: stay in this channel please.
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19:27<xecutiv>sudo checkinstall --install=yes --fstrans=no --pkgname="python" --provides="idle, idle-python2.7, libpython2.7, python-dev, python-minimal, python-tk, python2.7, python2.7-dev, python2.7-minimal"
19:27<jmcnaught>plasmid: you are missing lines. look at https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList which explains and has an example that you can use
19:27<xecutiv>This seems to suggest what I want is impossible: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/74073/replacing-multiple-debian-packages-from-compiled-source
19:28<xecutiv>Since I need to replace distribution's python in-place rather than side-by-side
19:28<barteks2x>Is there anything I can do to stop my system from freezing completely when I'm close to running out of memory? Everything just froze while I still had 1GB ram free (well... used by caches). And I can never make it happen on purpose
19:28<plasmid>jmcnaught, i was under the impression that the install did all this. Oh well.. manually editing the sources should not be too much of a hassle. Thank you.
19:29<jmcnaught>xecutiv: wait, i just read your backscroll. you *replaced* python with packages you made using checkinstall?
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19:29<jmcnaught>plasmid: if you do not have networking during the installation the install may not configure network mirrors
19:29<barteks2x>When I try to make it freeze like that on purpose it always seems to kill some process, but when it happens accidentally it almost always freezes my system
19:30<plasmid>jmcnaught, i did. This is all natt'ed through VMware.
19:30<xecutiv>jmcnaught: yes, that is correct. I downloaded tgz source for python 2.7.9 since Wheezy does not provide it
19:30<jmcnaught>plasmid: which installer image did you use?
19:31<xecutiv>I need the SNI SSL functionality introduced in Python 2.7.9 and I cannot upgrade to Jessie
19:31<plasmid>jmcnaught, dvd iso 1. not the mininum network install. I want to experience the whole shabang.
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19:32<TrickMontalban>testing 1, 2, 3...is this thing on?
19:32<xecutiv>Hello Trick
19:32<jmcnaught>xecutiv: there are saner ways to accomplish this without borking the python environment that many Debian utilities rely on
19:33<plasmid>jmcnaught, ok.. sources edited. now : apt-get update... then the apt-search bit.
19:33<TrickMontalban>hi xecutiv, thanks for replying...I'm fairly new to Linux and just installed irssi...never used it before, wasn't sure if I did it right
19:33<TrickMontalban>I'll try to keep the derpie questions at a minimum, but thought this would be a good place to visit if I get super stuck...
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19:34<xecutiv>Trick, you should be fine if you are wise enough to have found this channel for support
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19:35<TrickMontalban>I did a lot of research before choosing a distro, I had a tough time choosing between Debian and Arch...I hope I made the right call, guess it don't matter TOO MUCH if I'm just gonna be learning...
19:35<jmcnaught>xecutiv: for instance, you could have installed the python tarball in /opt/python and configured whatever service needs it to use that interpreter instead of the system /usr/bin/python
19:35<barteks2x>I don't want to restart the machine every time chrome uses a bit too much ram or I forget about some memory consuming background task. I want the system to just deal with it and kill that thing.
19:35<xecutiv>jmcnaught: I realize that /usr/local/ might be recommended approach but I do not intend to learn all about Python packaging for Debian in order to acheive my end goal
19:36<jmcnaught>xecutiv: you are potentially causing problems for future upgrades
19:36<xecutiv>The issue is that the "service" depending on python is very convoluted and spread out; there is no single place to configure Python path
19:36<jmcnaught>(of Debian)
19:36<xecutiv>jmcnaught: I am aware and accept the risk. This system will probably not be upgraded once I obtain this package. It is a media center
19:37<jmcnaught>xecutiv: what is the "service"?
19:37<xecutiv>Kodi media center
19:37<xecutiv>and all of its add-ons
19:38<xecutiv>there are some in particular that need to reach HTTPS but the websites implement SNI, not avaiable with python 2.7.3
19:39<jmcnaught>xecutiv: and having kodi run with the /opt/python2.7.9 interpreter would not have solved that?
19:40<jmcnaught>,v kodi
19:40<judd>Package: kodi on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 16.1+dfsg1-2~bpo8+1; sid: 16.1+dfsg1-2+b1; stretch: 16.1+dfsg1-2+b1; experimental: 17.0~beta2+dfsg1-1; jessie-multimedia: 5:14.2+repack-dmo1b2; sid-multimedia: 5:16.1-dmo7
19:40<xecutiv>I have no idea how Kodi is launched. It is launched from a GUI front end, EmulationStation
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19:40<xecutiv>I wanted to avoid having to dig through all of this
19:41<xecutiv>who knows what other services would need to be reconfigured to use newer python
19:41<barteks2x>as always nobody ever replies when I ask about this problem anywhere
19:42<jmcnaught>xecutiv: no services provided by Debian packages would need a newer python
19:42<xecutiv>barteks
19:42<jmcnaught>barteks2x: try again in half an hour, IRC takes patience
19:42<xecutiv>do you have swap partition configured?
19:42<barteks2x>it doesn't matter. it happens with and without swap partition
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19:43<xecutiv>how do you know it is caused by "almost runing out of memory"?
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19:43<xecutiv>have you checked /var/log/syslog for errors?
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19:44<xecutiv>or /var/log/kern.log
19:44<barteks2x>because if I somehow manage to switch tp tty and have htop runnign - memory is almost full. And it happens when I open one chrome tab too much, start another java oprocess, start youtube video in skype or open another program
19:45<xecutiv>so you have not checked any sort of coredump or crash logs for more information
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19:46<barteks2x>how am I supposed to do that if I have to waut 2 minutes just to login on tty if it ever even switches there?
19:47<xecutiv>if it's written to disk, then you should be able to reboot and check log files
19:47<barteks2x>and I checked both log files now, it happened about half hour ago and there is nothing in these logs from that time
19:47<barteks2x>(I was able to get control back this time)
19:47<jmcnaught>barteks2x: how did you regain control?
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19:48<barteks2x>I switched to tty (1 minute of waiting), typed in my login, another minute of waiting, my password, another few minutes of waiting, and killed java process
19:48<plasmid>when trying to install lua from source... debian jessie tells me it cannot find gcc. WHen I do an apt-get install gcc it does not find it. Any ideas?
19:49<jmcnaught>barteks2x: at this time you checked "free -m" and noticed lots of disk activity for swap?
19:49<xecutiv>so you have insufficient physical RAM, it is swapping to disk (causing slow response). you cannot install more physical RAM and instead you want some watchdog to kill processes when you're about to swap?
19:49<jmcnaught>plasmid: why are you installing lua from source?
19:50<xecutiv>plasmid, are you connected to the internet?
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19:50<barteks2x>swap was full when it froze. Until swap is full the system is slow but still usable
19:50<jmcnaught>,i lua5.3
19:50<judd>No package named 'lua5.3' was found in jessie/amd64.
19:50<plasmid>jmcnaught, because lua.org tells me so. Lua seems a bit outdated per the libraries on Jessie.
19:50<itd_>,i lua5.2
19:50<judd>Package lua5.2 (interpreters, optional) in jessie/amd64: Simple, extensible, embeddable programming language. Version: 5.2.3-1.1; Size: 94.1k; Installed: 363k; Homepage: http://www.lua.org
19:50<plasmid>xecutiv, i believe so.. otherwise I would not be able to reply to you.
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19:51<jmcnaught>ahh, lua5.3 is in backports
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19:51<xecutiv>plasmid, so you are on that machine right now. okay. have you set up /etc/apt/sources.list to point to Debain servers?
19:51<barteks2x>I usually run htop to select and kill process becahse this way I don't need to know the PID or anything like that, and it showed me ~1GB RAM "free" (used by caches) and 100% swap usage
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19:52<barteks2x>And I can't install more ram because it's a laptop
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19:52<jmcnaught>plasmid: when you install software from source instead of from Debian packages, you become responsible for handling upgrades for that software from then on. apt/dpkg do not upgrade/remove manually installed software
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19:52<plasmid>xecutiv, absolutely. I got the sources from the wiki thanks to jmcnaught.. then i did an apt-get update. ..then apt-get install gcc.. (no dice).
19:52<plasmid>jmcnaught, understood.. i am install lua locally.
19:53<jmcnaught>plasmid: to get lua 5.3?
19:53<barteks2x>Generally I would expect OOM killer to stop something without waiting days for it, but it doesn't seem to work
19:54<xecutiv>bartek, have you checked http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/135114/out-of-swap-what-happens
19:54<jmcnaught>judd: info lua5.3 --release jessie-backports
19:54<judd>Package lua5.3 (interpreters, optional) in jessie-backports/amd64: Simple, extensible, embeddable programming language. Version: 5.3.1-1~bpo8+1; Size: 101.0k; Installed: 394k; Homepage: http://www.lua.org
19:54<xecutiv>in particular try /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory
19:54<plasmid>jmcnaught, well i got lua.. but now the compiler is missing on debian (odd). http://paste.debian.net/854866
19:55<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell plasmid about bpo
19:55<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell plasmid about jessie-backports
19:55<xecutiv>or you can disable swap altogether, bartek
19:56<jmcnaught>plasmid: please see the messages from the bot and use the lua5.3 package from backports instead of compiling from source
19:57<plasmid>jmcnaught, roger that.. editing sources for backports.
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20:00<TrickMontalban>has anyone here ever run IRSSI under Mac OS? I'm having a hell of a time trying to figure out how to get colors to work...
20:00<barteks2x>even if I disable swap, it doesn't really change it. It still freezes but I have less time to react
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20:00<barteks2x>And I need to have overcommit enabled because programs are stupid and request memory they don't need
20:00<jmcnaught>TrickMontalban: on macos?
20:01<jmcnaught>barteks2x: have you tested your RAM?
20:01<plasmid>jmcnaught, that did the trick. Now to invoke lua. :-)
20:01<TrickMontalban>jmcnaught: yes, Mac OS Sierra (10.12)...and using the default Apple branded Terminal application
20:01<barteks2x>actually I didn't test my ram, but wouldn't things just crash if my ran was going bad?
20:02<jmcnaught>TrickMontalban: are you connecting to a Debian system over ssh?
20:02<TrickMontalban>I read on some sites that you need to edit your bash profile, and add the "export CLICOLOR=1"
20:02<barteks2x>I've never seen any unexplainable crashes or errors so I never suspected my memory would be bad
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20:03<TrickMontalban>jmcnaught, no I have a virtual machine with debian installed (VMWare Fusion 8.5, my guest OS is Debian Jessie)
20:05<barteks2x>and I had the same issue on my other computer, when it had 2 GB ram and then after I replaced it with 4GB ram the problem was still there. I have the same issue on all my computers using linux
20:05<jmcnaught>barteks2x: have there been IO errors in your logs?
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20:05<jmcnaught>barteks2x: how much memory and swap does this system have?
20:05<xecutiv>bartek: programs request memory they don't need. well, you don't want programs to open if you're already out of memory- right? that would slow everything down. you need to disable swap if you want Out of Memory portion of Kernel to deny the memory allocation system call of new processes (causing them to crash instead of slowing you down). If you leave swap on, disk space will be used as memory
20:05<xecutiv>causing everything to slow down. but new applications can continue to be opened, which is bad
20:05<jmcnaught>TrickMontalban: which OS is irssi running under?
20:06<barteks2x>I have 8GB ram and 1GB swap (is 1 GB not enough?)
20:06<TrickMontalban>jmcnaught: Mac OS 10.12
20:06<TrickMontalban>I installed IRSSI using homebrew
20:06<jmcnaught>TrickMontalban: then why are you asking #debian? there's an #irssi channel on chat.freenode.net
20:06<TrickMontalban>I'm gonna set it up in Debian but thought it could be even more useful here in case my Debian VM goes pear-shaped and I can't get into it
20:06<xecutiv>what are you trying to run at the same time which is causing you to approach the end of virtual memory?
20:07<TrickMontalban>oh, sorry...I'll go ask there...apologies
20:07<xecutiv>are you actually trying to run too many programs for the amount of memory you ahve installed?
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20:07<plasmid>jmcnaught, Thank you for your time. One last question... does apt-get update uppgrades all my installed packages?
20:07<jmcnaught>barteks2x: what does "free -h" say?
20:08<barteks2x>chrome+intellij idea+hexchat+skype+minecraft with a lot of memory usually makes it go out of memory
20:08<barteks2x>jmcnaught, now?
20:08<xecutiv>plasmid, "update" only gets the newest list of packages. to actually upgrade them you ahve to call "apt-get upgrade"
20:09<jmcnaught>plasmid: "apt-get update" syncs the locally cached package index with the server. "apt-get upgrade" upgrades all Debian packages (but not stuff installed from source or tarball)
20:09<xecutiv>barteks, that is too much to run at the same time if you have only 8 GB
20:09<plasmid>xecutiv, got it.. thank you.
20:09<plasmid>jmcnaught, understood. thank you.
20:09<barteks2x>But shoudlnt' the system kill something instead of letting everything freeze so bad that switchig to tty can take hours?
20:10<xecutiv>you need to disable overcommit
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20:10<xecutiv>so that the program crashes whenever it tries to allocate more memory than is avaiable
20:10<barteks2x>then I wouldn't be able to even run even half of that
20:10<xecutiv>okay well you need to try to use 2x8 GB sticks of ram in your laptop
20:11<jmcnaught>barteks2x: if you have something doing lots of IO at the same time that swap is being used, that could slow things down quite a bit
20:11<xecutiv>what version of DDR do you have? If you have DDR3 you can try this for example: https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-2x8GB-Laptop-Memory/dp/B0076W9Q5A
20:11<barteks2x>I ONLY WANT THE SYSTEM TO STOP SOMETHING SO THAT IT DOESN'T FREEZE COMPLETELY. Is it that much?
20:11<jmcnaught>i have 8GB of RAM in my laptop, frequently i run multiple VMs and have browsers running with dozens of tabs
20:12<xecutiv>jmcnaught, good idea. maybe one of those applications is consuming disk IO bandwidth?
20:12<xecutiv>which makes Swap VERY slow
20:13<barteks2x>I have ddr3, my laptop supports max 2x8 GB but I would need to buy the whole new 2x8 because it has only 2 slots (but linux reports 4 of them!) and I have 2x4 installed
20:14<xecutiv>right you would not beable to use your current sticks since most laptops only have 2 slots
20:15<xecutiv>if you have disk space,
20:15<xecutiv>and you can tolerate slowdowns,
20:15<barteks2x>and yes, more ram would be ideal solution, but right now I can't really afford that.
20:15<xecutiv>you should increase SWAP size to 1.5 times the amount of RAM. So 1.5 x 8GB
20:15<jmcnaught>barteks2x: all anyone can do at this point is offer ideas for you to investigate. if you find some error messages or other evidence of the symptoms you're describing, then someone MAY be able to help you find a solution
20:16<xecutiv>you asked if 1 GB swap is enough. I don't think so. Try something like 12 GB instead
20:16<barteks2x>there are no error messages, everything just freezes, and it happens quicker if I have less swap. It happens on multiple computers
20:16<xecutiv>do you have enough disk space to increase to 12GB?
20:17<xecutiv>that is your next best bet
20:17<barteks2x>I probably don't want to wait to resize the partition, so I will probably try to make swap file
20:17<barteks2x>(resizing partitions usually takes forever...)
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20:18<barteks2x>and with my setup I would need to move the beginning of my /home partition so it would be really long
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20:19<xecutiv>try this instead of resizing or moving partitions: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/swap#Swap_file_creation
20:19<jmcnaught>barteks2x: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/blockdev/zram.txt
20:19<xecutiv>be very careful with the dd command!!!
20:20<barteks2x>would it be an issue if that file was on /home partition?
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20:21<jmcnaught>barteks2x: as long as users can't read/write the file and it's on your fastest disk it should be okay if not ideal
20:21<barteks2x>it's my only hdd and I'm the only user
20:21<jmcnaught>barteks2x: zram swap is something else you could try
20:21<barteks2x>wouldn't that be slower?
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20:22<Gryllida>I have a 2tb hard drive all in one partition. Is that a horribly idea in terms of its performance or durability?
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20:22<xecutiv>gryllida it doesn't matter. partitioning is more of an issue for isolating operating system from user data
20:22<xecutiv>no real performance implications
20:22<jmcnaught>barteks2x: it trades slow disk access for way less slow CPU time
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20:23<xecutiv>thank you for introducing me to zram, very interesting idea!
20:23<xecutiv>should be default in my opinion
20:24<barteks2x>that's quite a bit of text to read...
20:25<Gryllida>Ok, xecutiv.
20:26<xenomorph_xx_121>what about zswap?
20:26<barteks2x>and as I understand it, it it would allow me to make a "virtual" disk that is actually stored compressed in ram, that I would the use as swap...? Or am I understanding it completely wrong?
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20:27<jmcnaught>barteks2x: you've got it
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20:28<barteks2x>that doesn't seem to make much sense... it would mean that any memory usage above $SOMEAMOUNT is going to be slower because of the compression, so I would effectively have less usable ram
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20:30<xenomorph_xx_121>barteks2x: maybe you want to reduce the size of your swap if u are wanting the os to kill processes sooner, rather than swapping too much
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20:30<jmcnaught>barteks2x: zswap may be an easier option. it makes sense to use compressed ram as swap for some situations, because compressed RAM is still faster than swapping to disk
20:30<xenomorph_xx_121>like make it less than 1G?
20:31<barteks2x>I even disabled it compltely, it still froze, but I had much less time to react
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20:32<barteks2x>it's initially getting slower until it completely locks up, more swap = more time before it becomes impossible to even switch to tty
20:32<xenomorph_xx_121>barteks2x: yeah that doesnt work in my experience. on systems where i had that problem i reduced swap to like 128MB, and that seemed to help. also what kernel are you on? newer kernels handle this better
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20:33<barteks2x>3.16.36
20:33<jmcnaught>barteks2x: seeing "free -h" when it's starting to get slow would be nice
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20:33<xenomorph_xx_121>barteks2x: yeah i'd give a new kernel a go and see if you are still getting the problem
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20:33<xenomorph_xx_121>there was work done on this recently...
20:34<barteks2x>and is it possible to use newer kernel without switching to debian testing?
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20:34<barteks2x>maybe at the same time bumblebee would start to work
20:35<jmcnaught>barteks2x: there are newer kernels and bumblebee in jessie-backports, no need to switch to testing
20:35<xenomorph_xx_121>jmcnaught: ++
20:35<xenomorph_xx_121>i didnt know what debians best practice was for that. good to know
20:35<jmcnaught>that might not fix your problem though, it's a shot in the dark without really understanding the problem
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20:36<barteks2x>I could try to make it freeze again, but that may result in me restarting computer. And soon after restart it never "workd"
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20:38<barteks2x>I will try, I will run while true; do clear; free -h; sleep 0.1; done in console window and try to run out of memory, recording everything just in case I won't be able to recover from it without restart
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20:40<jmcnaught>barteks2x: if you enable persistent journals as described in /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian, it's very easy to read logs from the previous boot
20:40<jmcnaught>"journalctl --boot -1"
20:41<jmcnaught>combine that with tail, or use journalctl's --lines to see the last X log entries written to disk
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20:43<barteks2x>As always when I WANT to make it happen - it didn't freeze. Java said "os::commit_memory failed"
20:43<barteks2x>it froze only for a few seconds
20:43<xenomorph_xx_121>barteks2x: what change did you make? maybe u fixed it!
20:44<barteks2x>I didn't change anything
20:44<barteks2x>no reboot
20:44<jmcnaught>barteks2x: more context around that error would be nice
20:44<barteks2x>I didn't even add swap
20:44<xenomorph_xx_121>do u have any swap now?
20:44<barteks2x>still 1GB, with 1.6 MEGAbytes free
20:45<xenomorph_xx_121>is oom-killer kicking in?
20:45<barteks2x>simply allocation failed
20:45<barteks2x>http://pastebin.com/uE76cs1p
20:46<jmcnaught>barteks2x: "free -h" ?
20:46<barteks2x>now or at the time it happenes?
20:46<jmcnaught>both
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20:48<jmcnaught>if your swap gets full quickly but you still have RAM being used as cache, sounds like you could have a lot of swap read/writes happening as the kernel keeps changing what's in the swap (instead of letting more stuff remain in swap)
20:48<xecutiv>you are overcommitting when you're low on virtual memory (physical RAM + disk swap)
20:48<barteks2x>it will take a while to get that
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20:49<xecutiv>solution is to use ZRAM or additional disk swap. The overcommit is MUCH slower than swap
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20:50<xecutiv>you never actually call the Out of Memory Killer if overcommit is on
20:50<xecutiv>if you want to run all those programs without buying more RAM modules, increase swap size
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20:51<xecutiv>when you increase swap size, i recommend turning off the overcommit option
20:51<barteks2x>http://pastebin.com/UycWwMaH
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20:52<barteks2x>xecutiv, I once saw OOM killer with overcommit enabled on server.
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20:53<xecutiv>What are your overcommit settings? http://serverfault.com/questions/362589/effects-of-configuring-vm-overcommit-memory
20:55<xecutiv>seriously recommend disabling overcommit and increasing your swap size instead. you can do it without resizing partitions: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/swap#Swap_file_creation
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20:55<xecutiv>at least try this before the more complicated ZRAM approach
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20:56<barteks2x>disabling overcommit + more swap may work
20:56<barteks2x>but then I have program that actually uses 50MB memory but uses 4GB of virtual memory
20:57<barteks2x>it will probably add up to like 20+GB
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20:58<xecutiv>what program uses 4GB of virtual memory?
20:58<bremner>what do you mean "actually uses 50MB but uses 4GB of virtual memory"?
20:58<xecutiv>yeah, that doesn't make sense.
20:59<xecutiv>you mean it preallocates that much?
20:59<barteks2x>yes
21:00<barteks2x>virtual memory used is 4+GB
21:00<xecutiv>that's a problem is it a common program? or something unusual
21:00<barteks2x>NoMachine
21:00<bremner>barteks2x: and where doesn your 50MB figure come from?
21:00<barteks2x>htop shows it in RES column
21:00<bremner>ok.
21:01<bremner>that's called the resident set.
21:01<bremner>basically it's the recently touched memory.
21:01<barteks2x>so I was mistake dthe whole time
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21:02<barteks2x>I thought it's the memory the program really uses
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21:02<barteks2x>that interpretation seemed to work well
21:03<xecutiv>why is NoMachine preallocating so much memory?
21:03<barteks2x>no idea
21:03<bremner>well, it would just be less confusing for the rest of us if you would use standard terminology.
21:03<barteks2x>I just don't know a lot of the terminology
21:03<xecutiv>do you usually see your overcommit slowdown when you have NoMachine running?
21:05<xecutiv>anyway please try increasing your swap to something like 12 GB. turn off overcommit if you can. let us know if you keep seeing the issue
21:05<barteks2x>I used to see it's background thing running all the time, now I don't see it. I didn't see any slowdown when it was running. Just 4+GB of cirtual memory used by it
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21:06<xecutiv>sometimes programs will preallocate based on how much physical ram you have. that is part of reason why they always recommend to set SWap to 1.5x your physical RAM
21:07<xecutiv>if you have more physical RAM than SWAP, you can run into this issue
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21:14<barteks2x>oh my god... I'm not going to let my brother use my computer again. I have things like "Program Files (x86)" in /home/
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21:31<xecutiv>barteks, you should encourage your brother to learn linux himself
21:31<xecutiv>can buy a Raspberry Pi for $35
21:31<xecutiv>lol
21:31<xecutiv>let us know if the swap increase actually helps
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21:39<barteks2x>that seems to work
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21:58<marmalade>so i need some help trying to figure out how to do full disk encryption on debian, including /boot using serpent-xts-plain64 512 keysize and whirlpool hashing
21:58<marmalade>i was able to manually partition my disk, with luks and lvm
21:58<marmalade>but i don't think the installer puts the right crypto modules in the right places if you don't partition through the tool in the installer
21:59<marmalade>i could be wrong though, but i can't figure out what else it could be atm
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22:23<fennfloof>okay,hello everyone
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22:26<fennfloof>my friend is having trouble with the laterst netinstall ISO
22:27<fennfloof>we are thinking there may be a problem with ftp.us.debian.org as a result
22:28<fennfloof>is anyone else having trouble with that server?
22:28<storge>64 bytes from debian.gtisc.gatech.edu (2610:148:1f10:3::89): icmp_seq=3 ttl=51 time=53.5 ms
22:28<storge>pinging it just fine
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22:30<sney>fennfloof: by "latest" do you mean the testing installer?
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22:30<fennfloof>no
22:30<fennfloof>8.6 stable
22:30<basile>hi
22:30<fennfloof>hey
22:30<fennfloof>its me
22:30<basile>hey!
22:31<sney>well, then give some more details than just "having trouble"
22:31<basile>sure
22:31<basile>Im trying to install to a virtualbox vm using the netinstall disk
22:31<basile>latest version, stable release
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22:32<basile>and when asked about installing the rest of the packages that are unincluded with the netinst disk
22:32<basile>no matter what server I chose
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22:32<basile>I would get a "bad archive mirror" error
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22:32<storge>hmmm
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22:32<storge>well can you boot the system?
22:33<basile>do you mean restart it or continue without it or what
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22:34<storge>oh i see, your installation is not yet complete. i thought perhaps you were done, and i was going to say you could try installing the problematic packages at a later time.
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22:34<basile>nonono
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22:34<basile>I cant install ANY of the packages, I likely only have the bare bones command line version of debian set up
22:34<fennfloof>not even that
22:35<basile>oh lol
22:35<fennfloof>we are gettingto setting up mirrors in the package manager
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22:35<basile>sorry if some of the stuff I say is unhelpful, Im not too knowledgable on this
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22:36<storge>perchance did you md5sum this install iso?
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22:36<basile>md5sum?
22:36<fennfloof>check if the ISO is certain to contain the right data
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22:37<fennfloof>making sure every bit is correct
22:37<basile>oh....
22:37<storge>have you also verified you are able to get to the net apart from the mirrors?
22:38<basile>from the vm? I dont know how I could really confirm, but the network settings were all fine when making the vm
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22:38<storge>for example, checking the net is up, ping a known host, and so on
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22:38<basile>I dont know how to do that from the installer
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22:40<storge>i'm reading a debian page describing your issue, with THAT server url you mentioned. the solution was in fixing dns/nameserver settings in dhcpd.conf file: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=65622
22:40<storge>see last 3 comments
22:41<basile>okay
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22:41<basile>where is that file located
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22:41<sney>dhcpd.conf wouldn't exist on a new install
22:41<storge>the file i believe they are trying to point at is: /etc/dhcpcd.conf
22:41<storge>sney: ah
22:42<sney>it's part of the isc dhcp server, which would only be installed if your debian machine was functioning as e.g. a home router
22:42<sney>but that clue suggests that it's some problem with YOUR router, maybe it's got some caching web proxy that's screwing things up
22:42<sney>or an equivalent on the virtualbox host
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22:42<storge>interesting
22:43<basile>so how do I check that
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22:50<basile>just did a ping test from my main computer for ftp.us.debian.org
22:50<basile>it worked fine
22:50<storge>if you can get to the debug console, you could just try with wget -O or a wget -N to see if it pulls the index.html from ftp.us.debian.org
22:51<storge>wget -N ftp.us.debian.org ...should see a flash of it downloading index.html
22:51<basile>the debug console for virtualbox?
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22:52<fennfloof>pretty sure not
22:52<storge>i thought there was a debug prompt available in theinstaller
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22:52<basile>I dont know how to get to it from where I am in the install
22:53<sney>alt+f4 normally. but that might just close the virtualbox window
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22:53<basile>oh! that worked
22:54<basile>...maybe?
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22:54<storge>there is a debug shell, i just couldn't remember how to get to it
22:55<basile>tried to type the command, and whatever this console is, it isnt reacting to it
22:55<storge>and wget is enabled, apparently
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22:55<fennfloof>"mirror does not support the specified release"
22:56<fennfloof>weird message for that to be giving
22:57<basile>that shows up for the "choose mirror" prompt, as this console listed all my actions. apparently it isnt the right one though, lol
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22:59<storge>http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux/208027-debian-bad-archive-mirror-during-install.html
22:59<storge>^ for netinstall in virtualbox
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22:59<fennfloof>hmm
22:59<storge>it doesn't help much, but it's interesting to me that others have your same problem
22:59<basile>so its virtualbox?
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22:59<storge>perhaps, not sure yet.
23:00<basile>bc thats what that thread concluded
23:00<basile>and damn, thats from 6 yrs ago!
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23:00<storge>it sort of concludes that, but not definitively. no, it's from august
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23:00<storge>the users are 6 years aged.
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23:00<basile>oh
23:00<basile>lol
23:01<storge>but the rubberman comment, about trying a different adapter in the virtualbox config, that might be worth tinkering with.
23:01<basile>every forum has a different layout, ugh
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23:01<basile>okay
23:01<basile>right now the virtualbox network settings are set to NAT
23:02<basile>should I try bridged adapter?
23:02<sney>couldn't hurt
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23:03<storge>in that user's case, he theorized it was an incompatibility between windows, virtualbox, and his wifi hardware. virtualization can be complicated.
23:03<basile>okay, I used at-f4 to get to SOME console
23:03<basile>how do I get back to the actual installer
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23:04<basile>or should I just reset the vm
23:04<storge>but it ends without a real definitive solution; i really only posted it to illustrate you might not be alone.
23:04<storge>you could try alt-f7, but i'd verify with sney first
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23:05<basile>oh, alt-f1 worked
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23:06<basile>all my settings are the same, I just switched to a bridged adapter, aaaaand.....
23:06<basile>same error.
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23:07<storge>is this machine connected currently through wires or wireless?
23:07<basile>the real computer?
23:07<storge>yes
23:07<fennfloof>yes
23:07<basile>wireless
23:07<basile>I cant do wired
23:08<storge>ok
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23:10<storge>is it possible to select an http repo instead of the ftp ?
23:10<basile>okay, before we get too stressed abt this: this could easily be solved by me using the full isos instead of the netinst one, right? since this is a connection issue
23:10<storge>possibly.
23:10<fennfloof>we selected that we wanted to connect and download over HTTP,would that make any diffrence?
23:11<storge>i'm not 100% on that, so i should ask you: are you sure the ftp.us.debian.org is the repo source it is trying to pull from?
23:13<fennfloof>yes,it is
23:13<fennfloof>im sure of that,we selected it
23:13<storge>since i can't see what you are, where are you seeing that
23:13<storge>ok
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23:14<storge>were there other urls? i'm asking because while i haven't used the netinstaller in some time and i'm flying a bit blind on memory here, in my /etc/apt/sources.list in my install here i use url like: http://http.debian.net/debian
23:15<basile>the closest I see to that in this list of mirrors is "httpredir.debian.org"
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23:16<jmcnaught>!httpredir
23:16<dpkg>To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, use the Geo-IP redirector in your sources.list "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main". See http://httpredir.debian.org/ for more information. The redirector uses HTTP 302 redirects not DNS to serve content so is safe to use with Google DNS. See also <which httpredir.debian.org>. This service is identical to http.debian.net.
23:16<jmcnaught>http.debian.net and httpredir.debian.org are the same thing
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23:16<basile>okay
23:16<basile>should I try it then
23:17<basile>tried it, same issue
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23:18<storge>i tend to think it's more likely some oddity between virtualbox and netinstall and the host system
23:18<basile>yeah, I feel virtualbox is just fucking w me
23:18<basile>it tends to do that a lot
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23:19<jmcnaught>basile: does the VM have any internet access? can you ping stuff on tty2?
23:20<basile>Im not sure how to do that from the vm
23:20<basile>but
23:20<basile>I need to get going at this point. thank you all for your help. tomorrow Im gonna try to download debian with the full isos
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23:23<storge>jmcnaught: the netinstall iso doesn't have png, but does have wget;can check with wget
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23:30<jmcnaught>storge: netinstall iso has ping
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23:30<jmcnaught>but yeah, wget is an okay test too
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23:32<jmcnaught>storge: http://i.imgur.com/1ebBvTB.png
23:33<jmcnaught>that's debian-8.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso but 8.6 would not be different
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23:34<storge>oh i guess the FAQ i just read on the debian site is out of date. it was for netinstall and had the question of "why can't i ping from netinstall debug shell" and it went on to answer that wget is available
23:34<storge>but there are a lot of debian pages out of date
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23:35<jmcnaught>true. was it a wiki link?
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23:38<storge>let me find it again
23:39<storge>oh, i missed the bold print saying its now available since wheezy installer, durrrr! https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#Q:_Why_is_ping_not_available_in_the_debug_shell
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23:40<jmcnaught>storge: ping and most everything else is provided by busybox on the installer
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