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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-10-05

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02:41<hewl>Hi, I was debating with myself whether I should backport a bunch of packages into stable or just use unstable for a long time. Which would be better?
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02:46<jmcnaught>hewl: what will you be using the computer for?
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02:48<hewl>jmcnaught: Just the usual, daily driver. Things like listening to music, browsing the net and completing work/code. What I need to do to get the system to work with my GPU is to upgrade my kernel from the one on stable as well as a bunch of other packages for unrelated reasons.
02:48<hewl>That is, the one from stable is too old a version to support my GPU.
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02:51<jmcnaught>if you want a computer that works the same each day and is fairly hassle free, use stable with a kernel from backports. If you value using newer software and don't mind getting slower security coverage and having to fix problems on your system occasionally, use testing or unstable.
02:51<jmcnaught>don't bother with testing/unstable if you are still learning Debian
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02:53<hewl>jmcnaught: Well I've already managed to deal with uninstalling nvidia after it killed my DE but I'd honestly rather not have to do any more maintainence than necessary. I was thinking of just outright upgrading to stretch because that's going to become the next stable, so may as well jump now?
02:53<hewl>I mean I don't want to get to the point where upgrading is going to be a nearly impossible feat because of all the packages I've backported.
02:54<hewl>I presume they all have to be redirected/reinstalled when upgrading because they aren't normally found in stable.
02:55<jmcnaught>hewl: maybe you don't need to backport as much stuff as you think?
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02:56<Echoz>hewl: you should be able to get both a kernel and updated nvidia drivers from backports. I run that myself at home.
02:57<Echoz>more specifically kernel 4.3 and nvidia-driver 352.79
02:57<hewl>jmcnaught: Kernel, qt, nvidia (NA because I'm planning on using nouveau), and one or two I'm forgetting. I guess when I list it out like that it isn't that much.
02:57<hewl>jmcnaught: I think it'll be best just to stick with stable, then. Backports don't introduce severe instability, right?
02:57<Echoz>qt for use with kde? kde 5.x?
02:59<hewl>Echoz: KDE 4.14.2 with QtCurve
02:59<jmcnaught>hewl: what version of qt do you need?
03:00<Echoz>hewl: Okay, almost thought you were going to get KDE 5 through backports
03:01<hewl>jmcnaught: I think that's the one I was forgetting. QtCurve is version 1.8.14-3 while its core is 4:4.8.6
03:01<hewl>Echoz: I've considered that. Is that something I should avoid like the plague?
03:02<jmcnaught>hewl: what's wrong with the qtcurve in jessie?
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03:03<hewl>jmcnaught: There is no qtcurve in jessie. That's why I had to backport it.
03:03<Echoz>hewl: KDE 5 is very good, in fact I was testing the 5.8 release that dropped yesterday last night. The problem is that it would most likely take you to dependency hell and beyond to get it from a different release.
03:04<hewl>Echoz: I thought so. KDE is a whole package, so it'd need all the newer packages. If I'm sticking with stable I'll keep that in mind.
03:04<jmcnaught>,v qtcurve
03:04<judd>Package: qtcurve on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.8.12-2; jessie: 1.8.14-3+b2; sid: 1.8.18+git20160320-3d8622c-3+b1; stretch: 1.8.18+git20160320-3d8622c-3+b1
03:05<Echoz>true, I also see qtcurve in jessie main on my computer
03:05<hewl>jmcnaught: It may have been specific to KDE that was missing. That package is kde-style-qtcurve and kwin-style-qtcurve.
03:05<hewl>jmcnaught: Sorry for not mentioning that earlier
03:06<Echoz>kde-style-qtcurve is also in jessie main according to what I see. I also think I've successfully used it in Jessie
03:06<hewl>Echoz: Oh
03:07<hewl>Echoz: But I had done it for a reason. There'd be no way I'd go and install something from backport without a reason. Let me backtrack exactly what I did and why and I'll return later.
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03:32<toli_>Not long ago, I ask for for help regarding the hyper-V and Debien in virtual environment. My issue is that when the server makes a backup, after I get EXT4-fs error (device sda1): ext4_map_blocks:594: inode #2359959: block 9445456: comm bash: lblock 0 mapped to illegal pblock (length 1), and the system become unuse, read only or even unrecoverable! I saw some solutions that Ubuntu made, but not aplicable on Debian
03:32<toli_>fsck.ext4: Unable to resolve 'UUID=a402706d-8afe-463e-a961-7e314849f1b5'
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03:35<toli_>I need to find solution about it, as at least once, twice a month I have this issue. Normally we should run Debian in virtual environment without any issue
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03:36<Echoz>toli_: so it only happens sometimes, huh...
03:37<toli_>yes, and only after that Windows server takes a backup
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03:40<hewl>Ok I'm back. I didn't actually backport those. But now I need to backport the newer linux kernel, which should enable the use of nouveau for my GPU.
03:40<hewl>But before that I need to remove a particular file modification.
03:41<jm_>as we told you yesterday, there already is a newer kernel on bpo so you don't need to backport it yourself
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03:41<hewl>jm_ I'm sorry I don't understand. Isn't bpo backport?
03:42<Echoz>yes
03:42<jm_>hewl: yes, but it's already done by others, it's not you who backports it
03:42<jm_>unles with "backport it" you actually mean install it from bpo
03:42<hewl>Ah, sorry then, I mean just to simply install the binary, not build from source.
03:42<Echoz>linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
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03:43<jm_>right, ok then yes, just grab it from there
03:43<hewl>What I'm going to do is run "apt-get install -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64" and that should do it, right? I have a 64-bit version of Debian.
03:44<jm_>yeah (linux-image-amd64 can also be used with 32bit release if your CPU is 64bit BTW)
03:44<hewl>jm_ Interesting. But nevertheless it's all good, then.
03:45<Echoz>jm_: does that replace the current 3.14 kernel?
03:46<hewl>Running a simulation of it nets a few errors. "Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have [...]" it's a long message.
03:47<jm_>Echoz: naah
03:47<jm_>you probably want to install the actual kernel the linux-image-amd64 package depends on (it's a meta package)
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03:47<hewl>jm_ What would that be? I didn't know a kernel would need a meta package.
03:47<jm_>that's what the '/msg dpkg bpo kernel' command does
03:48<jm_>hewl: ^^^^^^
03:48<jm_>if you remember it from yesterday
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03:48<hewl>jm_ I saw it but it wasn't applicable at the time. I'll see what it does.
03:48<arjona>i have a question about programming with python, is this a good irc or should i go to another channel?
03:49<hewl>arjona: if it's programming on debian I don't see why not
03:49<jm_>probably better to use #python and ##python on irc.freenode.net, #python on irc.oftc.net
03:50<arjona>ok, thanks
03:50<hewl>jm_ /msg isn't a command/directory, wasn't it a command for another package that needed to be installed? Which was that?
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03:51<jm_>hewl: in your irc client type '/msg dpkg bpo kernel' and bot will msg you the command
03:52<hewl>jm_ oh ok
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03:53<hewl>upgrade is failing in KDE's GUI. Going to use apt-get
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03:56<hewl>Same failure. "W: An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index was used. GPG error: http://download.opensuse.org"
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03:56<moony>Good morning, Hewl. Still issues?
03:56<hewl>Now I need to work out when I put opensuse's repo in the list. I do not recall this.
03:56<hewl>moony: Neverending. Trying to install a new kernel to get nouveau working.
03:57<moony>@hewl OpenSUSE is quite stable in my experience.
03:57<hewl>Ah I remember, to get the most recent version of Palemoon for security updates. It's failing to fetch the public key, however.
03:57<hewl>This is unrelated to Debian so I'll stop talking about it.
03:57<moony>You need to download debian-keyring most likely.
03:57<moony>There should still be a match in there.
03:57<jm_>it's a warning, not a failure, it should still manage to install stuff from other repositories which it has keys for
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03:58<hewl>jm_ Yep, doing so now.
03:58<hewl>jm_ Still I thought I already verified the public key. Need to look into that again. I don't want to be using an outdated browser.
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03:59<hewl>dpkg says to do «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`» but is it possible to just replace aptitude with apt-get?
03:59<dpkg>hewl: i'm not going to learn illegal characters
03:59<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, hewl
04:00<hewl>I'll keep that in mind, botterino.
04:00<moony>They're not necessarily illegal.
04:00<moony>They're wildcards in a sense is the easiest way to view them.
04:00<jm_>yes like I said yesterday, use apt-get if oyu don't normally use aptitude
04:00<moony>Wildcards for an enigma a macine can't solve, such as lamda.
04:01<hewl>jm_ Just making sure. My memory isn't the absolute best.
04:01<moony>I don't know what I would do without lamda come to think of it.
04:02<moony>I have it stated in my python QA software nearly 300 times. That's intense when you read the theories behind it.
04:03<hewl>jm_ This means there was a bit of information that I either misinterpreted or you called wrong.
04:04<jm_>hewl: "This"?
04:04<hewl>jm_ Yesterday I asked if "sudo apt-get install -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64" was enough on its own compared to aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` and you explained to me that the smiley code was to fetch the correct architecture name.
04:05<hewl>Specifically you said `uname and I presume it also included all the code that followed that.
04:06<Echoz>hewl: it's more portable, but if you know you're running an amd64 kernel then you can just install the amd64 package
04:06<hewl>Echoz: That command is failing. The one unedited from dpkg succeeds. The information doesn't add up.
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04:08<jm_>hewl: I don't see you ever asking that yesterday actually, only today
04:08<hewl>jm_ You have the logs of the chat? If it wasn't you then it might have been someone else and I sincerely aplogise for this.
04:08<hewl>I still don't understand why one command succeeds and the other fails, however.
04:09<jm_>hewl: yes I do, but you can also check it, see /msg dpkg irclog as the topic says
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04:11<jm_>I tried it on two different systems and it works fine for me
04:11<jm_>!bat
04:11<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
04:12<hewl>jm_ At 08:16 I asked bluca.
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04:12<moony>God, why was I up that late last night?
04:12<hewl>moony: Doing a good deed.
04:12<moony>I still haven't been to sleep actually...
04:12<moony>I need to set a reminder to sleep.
04:12<hewl>moony: An alarm to sleep is kind of ironic. This is offtopic, though.
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04:13<moony>@hewl I appreciate you saying that. I really do hope I was helpful.
04:13<moony>I hate we didn't get your problem solved though.
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04:13<anddam>is it possible to have "pip" alias for pip3 using alternatives?
04:13<moony>yes
04:13<hewl>moony: It's ok. You still helped me understand what was going on and gave me some troubleshooting skills.
04:13<moony>pip3
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04:14<moony>you just need a link @anddam
04:14<moony>if you want to do it that way, my advice, keep them sepereate.
04:14<moony>seperate*
04:14<moony>Many build scripts are based on Python 2.*
04:14<moony>If you just set 3 as the alternative, many scripts break.
04:14<hewl>To confirm, it is OK that apt-get wants to update linux-base and linux-image-amd64 even though this shouldn't be replacing the old kernel, just adding a new one.
04:14<moony>Yum for example, the RHEL package manager cannot run on Python 3.*
04:15<moony>Yes hewl
04:15<moony>I stay on the most up to date kernel at all times.
04:15<moony>I stay rolling on instant release for everything though, but I have a lot of software engineering background and just fix things myself.
04:15<hewl>moony: Doesn't that waste a huge amount of space? Or do you actively replace the older kernels?
04:16<moony>I replace and keep 2 back ups.
04:16<moony>two previous versions.
04:16<hewl>moony: Seems like a fair bit of maintainence.
04:16<moony>Not at all.
04:16<hewl>to each their own
04:16<moony>I have APT doing everything for me.
04:16<anddam>moony: I just need a link means there isn't an alternative for that, right?
04:16<moony>Anddam, help me better understand
04:17<moony>are you wanting switch the default from 2 to 3?
04:17<moony>I don't want to misunderstand and mislead you.
04:18<anddam>how do you call the system that's accessed with update-alternatives?
04:18<jm_>alternatives
04:19<anddam>moony: I know I can manually do a symlink, and I know system's script won't digest it
04:19<moony>I'm not following. update-alternatives makes a permanent config change.
04:19<anddam>my question was if there's a placeholder in alternatives to pick what pip means to the system
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04:19<moony>It changes python from loading Python 2.7 to Python 3.* if you want, for example.
04:19<moony>You define it
04:19<moony>but leave pip to mean python2
04:19<moony>use pip3 and read up on virtualenv
04:19<anddam>there are hooks in packages to know what package offers what
04:20<moony>your python projects should be virtualenv's anyway.
04:20<anddam>moony: you're going beyond the scope of my question
04:20<moony>If they're python3 based, pip will only run python3's pip version.
04:20<moony>I have a bad habit of that.
04:20<moony>What issue are you having with pip and pip3?
04:20<moony>Why the alternative desire?
04:20<moony>I need to understand your usage.
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04:23<anddam>my usage is to figure out if there's a specific alternative in the alternatives system for pip
04:23<anddam>because I don't know how to look for available alternatives and therefore I don't know if there's one specifically for pip
04:23<moony>Ok, wait
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04:23<moony>you mean a package replacement for pip?
04:24<moony>essentially?
04:24<anddam>no
04:24<anddam>alternatives doesn't deal with packages, as far as I know
04:24<jm_>he wants to know if pip is handed via alternaticves
04:24<moony>I am not aware of debian havhing any set alternatives for pip command.
04:24<moony>It can.
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04:24<anddam>jm_: correct
04:24<moony>only if self defined.
04:24<moony>But yes, let me find you a guide where someone does it.
04:24<anddam>self defined?
04:25<moony>You can define alternatives to anything you want.
04:25<moony>You can define pip3 as an alternative to pip if you choose.
04:25<moony>You can set their order even.
04:25<anddam>ah ok, that I quite never got about the alternatives
04:25<moony>If you had pip1, pip2, and pip3 for instance, you could set the order you wanted by default
04:25<moony>like if you wanted "pip" to launch pip2
04:26<moony>then the next alterantive pip3, and so forth
04:26<moony>does that make any sense?
04:27<moony>I know exactly what you're asking, I'm just running at about 72 hours straight and can't answer my best programming language's basic question. lol
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04:29<hewl>I've never appreciated 1080p as much as I do now. Thank you all for your assistance. I can check one problem off the list.
04:29<moony>you got your drivers running correctly?
04:29<moony>Congrats, buddy. Way to stick with it and be willing to learn.
04:29<moony>Big achievement.
04:30<hewl>moony: Yes, but unoptimally. Playing a video drags my desktop down to 30FPS, which is unacceptable. I think I've got a pretty good idea on how to fix it, however. I'll try it out first.
04:30<moony>the intel / INVIDIA parlay can be tricky.
04:30<hewl>moony: About that
04:30<moony>My sound card still isn't right, lol.
04:30<moony>my sound cancelling headphones sound terrible when i have no sound output active.
04:31<hewl>moony: I never had to install an Intel driver. Aren't they included in Debian install by default? Can a computer run without processor drivers?
04:31<moony>but once I start sound, it sounds great.
04:31<moony>Yes and Yes/no.
04:31<moony>They're included, however
04:31<anddam>moony: don't worrry, it was mainly a curiosity anyway as I know replacing system's python isn't healty
04:31<moony>the issue is the fact that Intel and NVIDIA are easily identified by install as the same drivers at times
04:31<hewl>moony: I get the same thing on my Android phone, funnily enough. It only applies to when it's using line out. It might be related to not outputting a silent signal and instead just letting the device hear the interference. I dunno why.
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04:32<anddam>moony: and speaking of healthy I'd just get some sleep if I were you
04:32<moony>I know
04:32<hewl>I second that.
04:32<moony>work and family
04:32<moony>it gets difficult
04:32<moony>we're on an agile release schedule.
04:32<anddam>not for 72 hours
04:32<moony>We have the build going out at 4:30AM CST
04:32<hewl>You've done many a good deed and deserve a well rest.
04:33<moony>Trust me, as a software engineer, when you need a patch with less than 3 hours to release, you get used to it.
04:33<moony>Plus the Navy helped me learn to go without sleep, but yes, it's something to tread lightly.
04:34<hewl>Your body clock must be supernatural.
04:34<moony>I join IRC channels to hear questions and distract my mind. Helps me keep my thoughts clear and crisp.
04:34<moony>The body learns... The Navy didn't allow more than 4 hours per night. It wasn't possible.
04:35<moony>I developed sleep apnea however. Cause and Effect are laws of physics after all.
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04:36<hewl>I'm going to reboot and see if that magically fixes my FPS problems and if v-sync is persistent. Thank you for all the help and I'll see you later, definitely.
04:36<moony>Hewl, before you go
04:37<moony>what DPI are you running?
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04:37<moony>for rendering.
04:37<hewl>moony: I don't know. I have my text's DPI set to render at 101 but only because I can't read small text.
04:37<moony>That's not exactly how rendering works
04:37<moony>try 96
04:37<hewl>moony: I'd like to believe my monitor is 101 DPI but the system probably thinks it's 96.
04:38<moony>that's small effect rendering.
04:38<moony>My monitor is a laptop
04:38<moony>and I run 96 dpi
04:38<moony>with RGB
04:38<hewl>moony: I'm sorry but I didn't even know you could set the DPI for anything other than text. Is it an operating system setting or a desktop environment setting?
04:38<moony>It has many dependents, down to the font you're using.
04:39<moony>Yes, text, however the color corresponds with the DPI for the rendering.
04:39<moony>RGB is my monitors color pattern.
04:39<moony>Red, Green, Blue
04:39<moony>the most common, if you're running virtual however there are alternate seettings.
04:40<moony>What desktop environment are you currently running?
04:40<moony>I know KDE last night.
04:41<hewl>moony: With a Kwin window manager.
04:41<moony>OK, so you're still running KDE?
04:41<hewl>Yes.
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04:43<moony>let me show you a screen shot of my settings
04:43<moony>just for your reference.
04:44<moony>one moment.
04:44<hewl>moony: From System Settings? Or a conf file?
04:44<moony>system
04:45<moony>I jinxed myself... my screenshot app is locked up. brb
04:45<moony>oh duh, I have redundant shortcuts
04:45<moony>nevermind.
04:46<hewl>moony: The unix method?
04:46<moony>No, I'm actually on my laptop with Xvfb at the moment, but highly customized.
04:47<hewl>Xvfb?
04:47<moony>Let me upload this to imgur. It's a GUI screen shot of my rendering settings
04:47<hewl>actually did you want to take this to offtopic?
04:47<moony>I'm sorry mind break
04:47<moony>Xvfb is a dummy rendering of X11
04:47<moony>I meant Xfce
04:48<hewl>moony: I'm sorry but I don't see how Xfce settings would be relevant to KDE. Unless this is purely for reference.
04:48<moony>http://imgur.com/a/YY0ys
04:49<moony>The rendering will be similar, regardless of the DM
04:49<moony>That rendering in the screen shot is for a basic 15'' laptop
04:49<moony>my point on it is to read up on DPI base settings for the strengths of rendering. I think yours is off for your settings.
04:49<moony>It doesn't "sound" right for 1080p
04:51<moony>but yes, the intent is just for your own reference.
04:51<moony>Experiment with your rendering settings until you find what looks the cleanest for you.
04:52<hewl>moony: I think you misinterpreted what I was trying to say. The text was hard to read because it was simply too small, not because it was unclear. Nevertheless thank you for the information. You really should get to sleep.
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04:57<moony>Lol, yes I should
04:58<moony>Thank you, but that is what rendering corrects, I may have misunderstood your statement on the correction you made.
04:58<moony>I will see you around?
04:58<hewl>moony: See you around, buddy.
04:59<moony>G'night. I PM'd you my email.
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05:19<hewl>Attempting to view information about OpenGL or attempting to use a GTK application crashing xserver with the nouveau driver. This does not happen on the nvidia driver.
05:20<moony>hm
05:20<moony>What exactly are you attempting to run with OpenGL?
05:20<hewl>why are you still awake
05:20<moony>a tv show, lol
05:20<moony>The new one, Humans.
05:21<moony>I just started it on Amazon Prime about an hour ago and it's really good.
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05:21<moony>The episode just went off though, so it is now that time.
05:21<moony>I do need sleep and I think my wife is ready to kill me if I don't get in our bed at somepoint this week.
05:21<moony>lol, gnight hewl
05:21<hewl>Attempting to use Kinfo to view information about my current renderer crashes the whole DE when I attempt to view information about OpenGL. Palemoon also causes this crash, and so does any GTK application. G'night moony.
05:22<moony>That's definitely an issue
05:22<moony>you've lost stability significantly
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05:23<hewl>I'm honestly just thinking of reporting it as a bug and hopping back to the old kernel and installing the nvidia driver again. After all that, haha what is life?
05:23<moony>But your kernel's core sounds steady, so it's just a graphics issue still.
05:23<moony>You're still very close.
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05:23<hewl>moony: I really think it's an issue with nouveau. All signs point to it.
05:23<hewl>Let me scour the bug reports.
05:23<moony>Yeah, it's hard for me to input. I'm on Debian 9+
05:23<hewl>oh wait, no internet browser
05:24<moony>kernel 4.7.0-1.
05:24<moony>lol, you should be able to run a web browser without issue.
05:24<hewl>one sec, may crash and not come back for a while
05:24<moony>It's a lot more work though.
05:24<moony>web browser through text*
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05:28<EmleyMoor>Other than Debian installer, is]s there anything NOT included in UBCD, the last free Parted Magic, or grml, that you wouldn't like to be without on a USB stick?
05:28<EmleyMoor>Erk, funny edit
05:29<moony>grml
05:29<moony>imo
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05:33<EmleyMoor>moony: Already in the list
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05:36<moony>My USB drives I keep pretty minimal. I keep a tails boot ISO and a KaliLinux USB.
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05:36<moony>That does me just fine, besides my custom debian kernel and distro.
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05:43<aV>hi there. I'm having issues to calibrate a touchscreen conected to a embedded pc (ARM) with Debian.
05:44<aV>I run ts_calibrate, and all ok. But when I test the screen on the desktop, the Y axis it seems to be reversed. The X axis is fine.
05:45<aV>The curious case is that if I test it with ts_test, it works perfectly.
05:45<aV>any idea?
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05:49<aV>kernel 3.0.35, module used for the touchscreen: ads7846
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05:52<moony>I have nothing I can help with on touch screen
05:52<moony>sorry
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06:21<aV>moony: I solved :)
06:21<aV>Editing /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf
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06:22<aV>and adding
06:22<aV>Option "InvertY" "true"
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06:23<towo^work>you shouldn't edit anyting in /usr/share
06:24<aV>:(
06:24<towo^work>insteat you schould cp /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf to /etc/X11/xorg,conf.d/ and make your changes there
06:24<towo^work>otherwise after an update of xserver-xorg-input-evdev your changes in /usr/share are gone
06:24<aV>oook
06:24<aV>ty!
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06:27<jm_>mv not cp :)
06:28<jm_>ahh no cp yes, silly me - it's part of the package ...
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06:46<scootergrisen>How do i know what number to write for "vga=XXX" if i want it to use the screens maximum resolution? like 1366x768
06:46<scootergrisen>During GRUB boot
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06:55<moony>That should have been set by default.
06:55<moony>Are you running in a VM?
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06:57<scootergrisen>Sometimes
06:57<moony>Well, a VM would have resolution issues unless the correct guest additions were installed..
06:58<moony>On a desktop, not sure why you needed to change it.
06:58<scootergrisen>I might need the linux-firmware-nonfree to use the graphics card fully but can i load that file in a live test?
06:58<scootergrisen>I'm just testing different live images
06:58<moony>Technically, you can make a full live boot ISO of your current build at any time, yes.
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06:59<moony>There are multiple tools for it
06:59<moony>You'll have to search though, I can think of one off the top of my head for debian stable
06:59<moony>I am builds and builds beyond that.
07:01<scootergrisen>Can i copy the firmware-linux-nonfree that my graphics card need and install it with apt-get or something without having to reboot?
07:02<jm_>the problem with live release and firmware is that you need firmware at module load time, so you'll need to put it somewhere where it can find it at that time
07:02<scootergrisen>Also what is the password for the root account on live images?
07:04<moony>for cli?
07:04<scootergrisen>yeah
07:04<moony>Isn't it blank?
07:04<moony>if not blank, it's either
07:04<moony>root:root or root:toor
07:04<moony>I can't remember
07:05<moony>I use so many distros
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07:05<moony>but I'm thinking root:
07:05<moony>literally no pwd
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07:05<moony>a quick google with your debian version will tell you easily.
07:05<moony>I'm on 9 and I'm running my own distro based off rolling debian, so I couldn't tell you.
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07:15<scootergrisen>Should the password be the same across debian distrubtions?
07:15<scootergrisen>Don't they write it somewhere on debian.org?
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07:18<bremner>!live login
07:18<dpkg>The debian-live images for Debian 8 "Jessie" have a user account configured for you to use. username: user ; password: live
07:18<scootergrisen>Yeah but what about the password for root?
07:18<bremner>hmm. maybe you're supposed to use sudo / su? dunno
07:19<scootergrisen>Ah.
07:19<scootergrisen>Maybe if i wrote the commands correctly it would work
07:20<scootergrisen>Guess it does not allow empty password
07:22<scootergrisen>So i guess root does not have a password set on live image and that it is not the same as a blank password
07:24<scootergrisen>What do translators normally do if they want to test... lets say Cinnamon in my language... so i can test how well it is translated but not install it on the computer
07:28<EmleyMoor>Is there a good tool anywhere to analyse a vfat system (to see its fragmentation)?
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07:33<petn-randall>moony: You'd have to ask in your distro's IRC channel, then.
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07:33<bremner>I don't think moony is actually asking anything
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07:34<bremner>mostly just telling us how cool s/he is ;)
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07:37<moony>No, I've just been answering people's questions last night to the best of my ability.
07:38-!-mode/#debian [+l 747] by debhelper
07:38<moony>And I haven't made a channel for my distro, but I made it on debian rolling.
07:38<moony>It's for my own use.
07:39<moony>I needed a better software development and quality assurance automation environment that could handle containers more efficiently.
07:39<moony>But what can I say, I love debian.
07:39<moony>So I just tailored it to my needs. ;-)
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07:41<moony>@scootergrisen for what you're trying to do, you can use root abilities, just run "sudo su"
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07:42<moony>That should change you to root user.
07:42<Xylon>chromium won't start for me this morning, anyone else having this problem?
07:42<moony>which debian version?
07:42<pron>moony: with debian rolling u mean unstable, right?
07:42<moony>Yes
07:42<Xylon>Jessie
07:43<moony>Chromium loaded fine for me Xylon, but I'm on 9 unstable.
07:43<Xylon>chromium error this morning: https://bpaste.net/show/521e75ab03bc
07:44<moony>Xylon, it looks like you have an instance running already.
07:45<moony>You may have a thread hung up in the background.
07:45<moony>Check your running jobs/processes
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07:48<Xylon>moony: don't see anything in pstree
07:48<Xylon>I'll reboot
07:48*Xylon reboots
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07:50<Xylon>OK guys I think I found the problem
07:50<Xylon>disk full
07:51<moony>That could be it.
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07:51<moony>lol
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07:52<kblin>hi folks
07:52<Xylon>OK deleted some files and it's fine now :)
07:53<kblin>I've got a server with a btrfs root fs that reports ~ 10 GB free space left, but when I try to write any file to disk it claims that there's no free space left
07:54<kblin>unfortunately, I noticed this while editing /etc/fstab, so that's currently gone and I can't create a new version of it
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07:55<kblin>according to `btrfs fi df`, I should still have 10 gigs, so why can't I write the few bytes of /etc/fstab and more importantly, how do I fix it?
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07:57<moony>are you encrypted?
07:57<moony>your drive that is
07:57<kblin>nope
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07:57<kblin>hm, it looks like after a btrfs fi sync I can write again
07:57<moony>so 10gB not wanting to play
07:57<moony>hm
07:57<moony>oh, good deal
07:57<moony>that's weird.
07:58<kblin>so time to recover /etc/fstab from /etc/mtab
07:58<moony>at least you got r/w going again.
07:58<kblin>I was running a bunch of docker containers that all were writing to their container filesystems, and docker keeps those as subvolumes in /var/lib/docker
07:59<moony>Yeah, I use containers as well and have done the same thing
07:59<moony>I maxed out my /tmp/ one time and was stuck for like three days until I figured it out
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07:59<moony>didn't know why my swap wouldn't work
07:59<kblin>I killed dockerd and removed a subvolume or two to recover, but apparently a sync was needed to get the kernel to realize
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08:00<moony>yeah, kernel always has to resync with the HD after a rewrite over partition/cylinder
08:00<moony>how many containers do you run at once?
08:01<moony>I ask, because I run mine for software quality assurance automation and I've been wanting to ramp up at work, but didn't want to push the limit.
08:01<kblin>it was just 20, but some of these apparently were writing gigs and gigs of stuff
08:01<moony>I haven't went more than 10 containers per virtual
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08:01<moony>mine do as well...
08:01<kblin>and / didn't have gigs and gigs of space :)
08:01<moony>all the web traffic
08:01<moony>Yeah, we host our own cloud.
08:01<moony>Been there done that
08:02<kblin>I'm doing heavy number-crunchy stuff, I don't think the containers impact much performace-wise
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08:02<moony>no, not with 20
08:02<moony>not until you hit 50ish will you see much of a CPU impact.
08:03<moony>I have ram issues with all the SQL queries and md5 hash encrypt/decrypting
08:03<moony>it's sensitive data, so it can't leave unencrypted.
08:03<moony>Pretty annoying.
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08:09<kblin>there we go, FS usage back down to 8%
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08:09<kblin>and now let's move /var/lib/docker to a dedicated partition, so I never, ever accidently break /etc/fstab because a container is stupid
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13:21<Colloguy>are there any gui tools for resizing/moving luks-encrypted partitions?
13:21<grawity>haven't found any
13:22<grawity>oddly, gparted refuses to even move them
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13:22<Colloguy>I found one - kde partition manager >2.0 - but the latest version is packaged in arch/gentoo only
13:23<Colloguy>and I don't run either system
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13:44<razorsharp>hi
13:44<razorsharp>im new to parrotsec
13:44<razorsharp>can someone really help me learn basics
13:45<blast007>!parrotsec
13:45<dpkg>Parrot Security OS is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forum.frozenbox.org/ . Parrot is a security oriented distro based on Debian stable. http://www.parrotsec.org/
13:47<blast007>razorsharp: please don't message me. use the appropriate support method for your distribution as mentioned above.
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14:12<Azure_Chaos>hello do you guys think itd work if i back ported phonon nad the vlc and gstreamer backend?
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14:21<abrock>USB Audio devices stopped working on my debian stretch installation
14:22<abrock>lsusb shows them but alsamixer doesn't
14:22<bremner>for stretch support see #debian-next
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15:36<kion>How can I know what is the kernel version in backports and how do I install it?
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16:08<mots>kion, you enter "apt-get install -t jessie-backports linux-image-" and then press tab a few times. And you install it by adding "amd64" to that and pressing enter.
16:09<cybiko123>Or https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/linux-image-amd64
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16:09<retrospectacus>or type these here;
16:09<retrospectacus>.kernels
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16:10<retrospectacus>!bpo kernel
16:10<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
16:10<retrospectacus>,kernels
16:10<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.5-1); stretch: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.5-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-2)
16:11<mots>That list is wrong, 4.7 has been in backports since Saturday or Sunday.
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16:13<retrospectacus>indeed. lazy robot
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16:16<lostatwork>where is the 4.4 lts kernel
16:18<musca>gone with the wind
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16:44<itd>!hu
16:44<dpkg>Ez egy angol nyelvu csatorna. Kerlek beszelj angolul vagy probald a #debian.hu csatornat a FreeNode halozaton, ha magyarul szeretnel.
16:44<itd>(I guess?)
16:44<barteks2x>will these installation instructions (for ubuntu) work for debian? http://caffe.berkeleyvision.org/install_apt.html
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16:45<bremner>hard to say without testing
16:46<barteks2x>I will try, I would really like to know how to install it and still be able to remove it after I no longer want/need it
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16:49<itd>judd: bug 788539
16:50<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/788539 in wnpp (closed): «ITP: caffe -- a deep learning framework»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2015-06-12; last modified: 2016-07-30.
16:50<bremner>barteks2x: that's mainly a question about the last step. You should probably ask the makers of thje software
16:50<bremner>barteks2x: you may also be interested in checkinstall
16:50<barteks2x>what is that?
16:50<itd>and maybe: https://github.com/BVLC/caffe/issues/2601
16:51<bremner>it seems to say that some version of caffe is in debian experimental
16:51<barteks2x>would installing it from experimental repository work on stable?
16:52<bremner>probably not.
16:52<bremner>experimental close to unstable, but at this point, that's not close to stable
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16:53<itd>barteks2x: You asked for a way to remove the software when you don't want it anymore. Thus I looked for a debian package. This is what I found.
16:54<barteks2x>seems like there is no "normal" way to install it on anything...
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16:57<barteks2x>and how am i supposed to not break my system every half year...
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16:59<barteks2x>I will try with checkinstall
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17:06<barteks2x>as always with anything I try to compile, it fails
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17:06<itd>barteks2x: paste the error, please. :)
17:07<barteks2x>http://pastebin.com/0w97Btj4
17:07<bremner>looks like you didn't install the prerequisites
17:07<barteks2x>except that I installed everything it said in the website
17:09<itd>barteks2x: those files are either in libgflags-dev or in libfeel++-dev - see https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=gflags%2Fgflags.h
17:09<barteks2x>this is dependency listed for ubuntu 14.04
17:11<barteks2x>now something actually compiles
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17:12<itd>barteks2x: also the Build-Depends in the experimental debian package could give you a hint on possible requirements - https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debian-science/packages/caffe.git/tree/debian/control
17:13<bremner>or you could try rebuilding that, following !ssb
17:13<bremner>!ssb
17:13<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
17:14<barteks2x>it still failed, hdf5.h missing. I will try ssb
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17:42<barteks2x>it errored near the end...
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17:43<barteks2x>and I can;'t figure out what is the error because it's way too spammy
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17:44<itd>barteks2x: Then post everything to paste.debian.net ? :)
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17:45<barteks2x>I can only post as much as fits in my console log
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17:47<itd>barteks2x: you could try to rerun it and save the output in a file. e.g. "command 2> | tee yourlogfile.log"
17:47<barteks2x>"Request Entity Too Large"
17:47<barteks2x>that's what I got from paste.debian
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17:49<itd>barteks2x: which command did you execute? then post the last ~100 lines of log, maybe (for a start). :)
17:49<barteks2x>it was from sudo apt-get -b source caffe
17:50<barteks2x>here is last ~80 lines: https://paste.debian.net/857696/
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17:52<itd>barteks2x: I think I've seen stuff like that before... if I recall correctly it's about library symbols that are different in your build and the experimental build (or something like that).
17:53<barteks2x>uh... that means nothing I can do about it?
17:53<itd>barteks2x: 'debian/libcaffe-cpu1.symbols' could be relevant.
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17:54<itd>barteks2x: I don't know enough about this to really answer that question, but I tend to 'yes, you can do something about it'.
17:54<barteks2x>and if someone who knows much more about it doesn't know - then I definitely don't know either
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17:57<itd>barteks2x: maybe someone else here can help you, or you could try #debian-backports
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18:02<itd>barteks2x: its something related to this (I think): https://wiki.debian.org/UsingSymbolsFiles and https://stackoverflow.com/a/12674910
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18:07<barteks2x>there is no way in hell I'm fixing it manually. I give up with neural networks until it's in at least debian testing
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18:12<itd>barteks2x: and then there is: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/advanced.en.html#librarysymbols
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18:13<barteks2x>now that I have build deps installed, could it work if I just compile the source from github?
18:13<itd>barteks2x: you could give it another try. :)
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18:18<barteks2x>I have no idea how these things work :( I'm clueless as to how it's all done beyond compiling a basic C++ project. I can't even figure out how to configure it properly (Makefile.config)
18:18<itd>barteks2x: ask :)
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18:19<barteks2x>I feel like seeing wikipedia for the first time... never ending links
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18:21<timBandTech>barteks2x, are you familial with gnu autobuild system?
18:22<barteks2x>not really, I know it exists but I have never used it for my project (mainly because most of my projects are in java)
18:22<timBandTech>OK, it is totally worth your time to study it because virtually every source package obeys its rules. It's always the same steps over and over again to build any package from source code.
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18:24<timBandTech>This doesn't mean using it for your own source(though that is the next level; i don't use it either) but when building debian source it is de facto
18:25<barteks2x>the thing is that I mostly want to stick with debian stable, and sometimes use some things that just aren't there in any repository. So I don't really have a lot of stuff to build
18:25<barteks2x>And when I do, it almost always fails anyway
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18:30<itd>barteks2x: I try to post less links & you ask your question, deal?
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18:31<timBandTech>Well you may need to be careful about selecting an older version of the code that you are trying to build. Otherwise you may need to bump up to testing to be in the hot seat. I hear you on the complication and confusion. I am no master of the system, but there is so much software that is all reliant upon underlying shared libraries. You really do have to futz through getting all those dependencies and versions. You probably want to
18:31<timBandTech>install source through the package system. Not sure if that will fix you're needs.
18:31<barteks2x>well... that the thing, I don't even know where to start. I tried apt-get -b source, I have no idea what it does internally or how to change what it does, if I did all of that manually I might have better idea what these links are about
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18:34<timBandTech>OK b. Try to decide whether it is a worthy investment in your time. If it is then you'll need to break it down, possibly even into some generic exercises. For instance there are some very primitive apps such as xeyes which are decent test points for the sorts of puzzles you are dealing with. If you can get xeyes going from source that is a hoop jumped through that will teach you the system.
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18:43<barteks2x>I always wanted to but never really had good enough reason to do that
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18:46<timBandTech>What are you trying to do. I didn't catch the first portion of your issue
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21:33<cra1g321>evening folks, if i had 2 servers setup with pub-key auth for ssh, and wanted to rsync between one to the other, can someone explain what/where i should do with the key files? i've generated a keypair for each server on my local machine and can ssh ok, just need some guidance on what i need to do to get it working between the servers
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21:34<cra1g321>i'm guessing the answer is maybe i need to generate a new keypair on one of the servers, then ssh-copy-id that to the second server, but best to ask :)
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21:44<abrotman>cra1g321: you can use the same pair to go both ways. Are you sure this is the best way to accomplish your task?
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21:46<cra1g321>abrotman , i'm just unsure of what keys need to be where, both machines are setup public-key auth only for ssh, i have a seperate keypair for each server, doing local > server/server1 is ok
21:47<abrotman>!ssh keys
21:47<dpkg>(1) on the client: ssh-keygen -t rsa (2) ssh-copy-id server.example.com. Ask me about <keychain> and <ssh-askpass> for ways of storing your ssh key's passphrase between uses. If you are wanting to use ssh to allow root logins for rsync backups (or something similar to that) then you might want to limit what this key can do and from where you can use it, see http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/rootrsync for one approach.
21:47<abrotman>seem easy enough?
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22:01<cra1g321>it works if i copy the id_rsa file of local & server1 to server2, then tell rsync to ssh in and specify that key file, but that doesnt seem correct to me to have the pvt key on the server
22:01<r4f_debian>Hi all, Please I would like to know if this kernel release is quite unstable for Debian patterns: http://paste.debian.net/857711/
22:02<r4f_debian>I know the really stable is 3.16.0-4, but are there risks on using this version updated ?
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22:05<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell r4f_debian about backports caveat
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22:07<r4f_debian>Thanks for help and support jmcnaught !
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22:11<r4f_debian>bye all
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22:19<cra1g321>abrotman, figured it out
22:20<cra1g321>think i was just overthinking it all, i just disabled pubkey only on second server, generated keypair on first server, ssh-copy-id it to second server, set ssh to pvt only on second server, and all good
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23:56<Beowulf>Hi, I'm having a problem with the OpenGL drivers on my Debian installation that's preventing me from using steam and genymotion correctly. Everytime I run the two, I get this message: "/bin/sh: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/swrast_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_tls_Dispatch"
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23:58<Beowulf>I tried doing a "sudo apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-dri:amd64 libgl1-mesa-dri:i386", but that didn't fix the problem
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