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---Logopened Fri Oct 07 00:00:58 2016
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00:11<bcr>do the instructions here not work? https://wiki.debian.org/Grub2#Configure_graphical_splashimage
00:12<hewl>"install the grub2-splashimages package"
00:12<bcr>rather, doing the opposite of what the instructinos say?
00:13<bcr>so first, try adding a GRUB_BACKGROUND="" to /etc/default/grub . If that doesn't work, then uncomment GRUB_TERMINAL=console
00:13<hewl>bcr: That seems like it would work. Thank you. I'll give it a shot of the current wallpaper still looks ugh.
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00:19<vortek>when i click on appearence and preferencs it brings me to a webpage with 2 links on it and no matter wich link i click on i get this error "You have no authorisation for this page."
00:20<vortek>hlp please ?\
00:20<hewl>jmcnaught: The hybrid-iso download has finished. The command to install was "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX", right?
00:20<hewl>vortek: Which desktop environment are you using?
00:20<vortek>mate
00:21<hewl>vortek: If using the settings program it should not be bringing you to a webpage inside a web browser. MATE's settings configuration handles everything inside of itself.
00:21<vortek>when i click on sytem >preferencs>apearence i mean
00:21<jmcnaught>hewl: were X is the letter for the device you're copying to
00:22<hewl>jmcnaught: Of course, and debian.iso points to the correct iso file.
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00:22<hewl>jmcnaught: Does the USB need to be mounted or unmounted?
00:22<jmcnaught>hewl: unmounted
00:22<jmcnaught>vortek: what is the URL it brings you to?
00:23<vortek>hewl im trying to change them them and were i pointed to , has a bunch of themes and then the option for getting themes oonline
00:23<vortek>http://mate-desktop.org/themes/
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00:24<hewl>vortek: Then that is why. It's unrelated to your operating system so don't worry.
00:24<vortek>and yes i clicked oon the links i get You have no authorisation for this page.
00:24<hewl>vortek: I'd suggest going to gnome-look yourself and looking up GTK3 themes from there on.
00:25<jmcnaught>vortek: click on _which_ links?
00:25<hewl>vortek: https://www.gnome-look.org/browse/cat/135/ord/latest/
00:25<vortek>ok.. who do i notify of this bug then?
00:25<hewl>vortek: Always be careful when browsing for new themes.
00:25<jmcnaught>vortek: oh i see, it's a bug on the gnome-look.org website, look for their contact us page on their site
00:25<hewl>vortek: It's not a bug with the operating system, it's down to the webserver not handling an old URL correctly.
00:26<vortek>ohhh
00:26<hewl>vortek: As jmcnaught said, you'd have to report it to the webserver's owners, not Debian.
00:26<bcr>I'm trying to build an IPv6 router in Debian that gets a PPPoE connection, /56 and /64 prefixes from my ISP. I have PPPoE set up, but is there a way I can get radvd and /etc/interfaces to use those prefixes?
00:26<vortek>thanxs
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00:30<hewl>How do I list all connected devices in terminal?
00:32<bcr>what kind of connected devices?
00:32<hewl>Stuff like USB drives so I can see what sdX they're using.
00:32<bcr>lsusb and lspci come immediately to mind
00:32<vortek>uhm how were do i extrat these gtk3 themes too?
00:32<bcr>oh, for usb drives I'd use 'sudo fdisk -l'
00:33<bcr>if they're mounted, df should work
00:33<hewl>vortek: The .themes folder in your home directory. You should create it if you don't already have one.
00:33<vortek>thanxs
00:33<hewl>vortek: Make sure that the first level of folders in there is the correct engine. Eg. gtk3, gtk2 and such. then inside those should be folders specific to your theme.
00:35<vortek>hewl: ?? i have no gtk folderes in /home/vortek/.themes
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00:35<hewl>vortek: There should be the skeleton layout included with the theme you downloaded. This is why I express to be careful when downloading themes, as not all packagers presume you have/don't have the directories set up.
00:36<vortek>i did not download it yet
00:36<hewl>vortek: The general layout is ~/.themes/engine/themename/resources
00:36<hewl>bcr: I do not see my USB drive anywhere in this.
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00:38<hewl>bcr: Scratch that, I commanded KDE to "safely remove" but apparently that does much more than just unmount it.
00:39<hewl>jmcnaught: The USB drive is in sdc, however it's already been configured once to be a boot device (specifically for Debian Installer). Debian currently only sees it as having 200MB free space, the EFI partition. The other partition is hidden, but it is still there. Will "cp debian.iso /dev/sdc" automatically repartition the USB?
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00:42<bcr>fdisk will show any drives physically attached to the computer
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00:43<hewl>For my 8GB USB it displays /dev/sdc1 as 247M and /dev/sdc2 as 416K.
00:43<bcr>you can also just survey /dev/ and guess. If you know that the USB drive you attached has only one partition and you see sdb1, you can probably guess it's been assigned to sdb
00:43<hewl>The rest isn't a visible partition to Linux.
00:44<bcr>is it partitioned?
00:44<bcr>if you open something like gparted, it can show you the physical layout of the disk
00:44<hewl>I used the media creation tool the Debian manual suggested for Windows.
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00:45<hewl>bcr: I currently have no partitioning tools.
00:46<bcr>In that case, it made minimal partitions to boot Debian and the remaining 7.75 gigs are lying fallow
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00:47<hewl>bcr: Ok, so if I try to copy the hybrid-iso of Debian onto it, it should give me a "not enough space" error, because "cp" just copies stuff without repartitioning beforehand. Is this correct?
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00:54<hewl>jm_: Question: what do if USB is partitioned to use only 200MB but want to install hybrid-iso of Debian onto it?
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00:57<jm_>hewl: debian's iso image is designed to be put on /dev/sdX, not /dev/sdX#, meaning, it overwrites entire drive
00:58<jm_>it has its own partitions
00:58<hewl>Ah, so say "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX" would automatically partition that device?
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00:59<jm_>yes
00:59<jm_>and nuke everything you have on it so be careful
00:59<hewl>jm_ And it also means that the USB should be unmounted to do so?
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00:59<jm_>hewl: yes
01:00<hewl>That can be done with "sudo umount sdX" or "sudo umount /dev/sdX"?
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01:03<bcr>you sure about that? I use dd whenever I dump partitions to storage
01:04<bcr>because doesn't cp do a bunch of screwing about with file permissions and headers and stuff like that which dd doesn't?
01:04<hewl>I'm confused about how my USB is currently connected to my system. There's nothing in /dev/ mentioning /sdc, nothing in mnt mentioning /sdc, and /media/USER mentions the partition by its ID, not mountpoint.
01:04<Megaf>hewl: any luck with you card?
01:04<bcr>if it's in /media, then it's mounted
01:05<hewl>Megaf: That's what we're currently trying to diagnose. We're trying to get a live image of debian running and seeing what its xorg.0.log says.
01:05<hewl>bcr: As I thought, but when I do "sudo umount sdc" then it claims "not mounted".
01:05<Megaf>dont forget about glxinfo | grep render
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01:05<Megaf>it will tell you exactelly how it is doing 3d stuff
01:05<bcr>sdc or sdc1?
01:05<hewl>sdc
01:05<hewl>specifically /dev/sdc
01:06<hewl>Megaf: what why
01:06<hewl>Megaf: I literally don't care about 3D stuff at all
01:06<bcr>you don't mount block devices. You mount partitions. What you want is sudo umount /dev/sdc1
01:06<Megaf>why do you have such powerful card then?
01:06<hewl>bcr: My USB currently has two partitions then, so I'd want to umount both of them?
01:07<jm_>also running just 'mount' will show what is mounted and where
01:07<bcr>yes
01:07<Megaf>hewl: umount /dev/sdc* && sync
01:07<hewl>Megaf: Because Windows. For Linux I don't care about running 3D applications.
01:07<Megaf>hewl: cp file.iso /dev/sdc && sync
01:07<Megaf>done
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01:08<hewl>bcr: Mountpoint not found.
01:08<jmcnaught>i usually use "pv debian.iso > /dev/sdX"
01:08<bcr>if it says 'mountpoint not found', then it's not mounted
01:08<hewl>bcr: Scratch that, specifically using "sudo umount /dev/sdc1" unmounted it.
01:08<Megaf>I do dd, but someone said cp is recommended
01:08<bcr>you can verify this by running either 'mount' or 'df'
01:09<bcr>any reason why they recommend cp?
01:09<hewl>^ curious about that too,
01:09<hewl>I thought making a bootable image required more advanced settings being configured for the drive, not just simply copying an iso to it.
01:10<bcr>you're right but not for the reason you think you are
01:10<jmcnaught>cp is just what's used in the Debian install manual. It's kinda funny because you could interpret people saying to use dd as never having read the install manual.
01:10<bcr>nope, I used google :D
01:10<Megaf>hewl: it does require complicated stuff yes, Debian team did the stuff already, thats why is called hybrid iso
01:11<hewl>I know for a fact that if you use Windows to just "burn ISO" you get screwed.
01:11<jm_>it's something about dd can be slower or whatever
01:11<jmcnaught>presumably cp is used over dd in the install manual because the syntax is simpler, and it figures out the optimal block size on its own so it can be faster
01:11<bcr>forget Windows. It works on a completely different paradigm than Linux
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01:11<hewl>alrighty, I'm going to review the manuals for a sec
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01:13<bcr>does cp do bit-for-bit clones, though? I thought it just filled the file containers. You can tell that I don't know what I'm talking about but I thought that files had all sorts of headers and footers to tell software how to read the contents
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01:13<hewl>https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ says "you can do either"
01:14<bcr>they know better than I would
01:14<jmcnaught>cp, dd, cat, pv, they're all doing the same thing
01:14<hewl>win32diskimager is the program in Windows I used to initially make the USB drive bootable, which is what resulted in all that free partition space on the USB.
01:14<hewl>I will do "cp hybrid-debian.iso /dev/sdc" then, and that should work flawlessly.
01:15<bcr>Linux can fix that for you. Windows puts you in padded cells and won't let you screw with partitions by hand
01:15<bcr>sure, and sudo at the beginning if it doesn't work
01:15<hewl>bcr: Why?
01:15<bcr>to keep your average user from breaking things beyond repair
01:16<bcr>Linux takes off all the safeties, padding and railings. As you'll discover during your first crisis, if something goes wrong, it's your fault for not making backups
01:16<hewl>bcr: I mean, why would this operation need root?
01:17<hewl>bcr: What does cp call that requires editing of protected files?
01:17<bcr>the destination is protected
01:17<bcr> /dev/sdc is under root's ownership
01:17<hewl>bcr: So by default, you cannot even mount without root.
01:17<bcr>correct
01:18<hewl>That's a secure way of doing things.
01:18<hewl>Here goes.
01:18<hewl>There isn't meant to be any sort of progress indicator, right?
01:18<bcr>nope.
01:19<hewl>Alright, I think it's working then.
01:19<bcr>the rule in Linux is that no news is good news
01:19<hewl>aha
01:19<bcr>or the developer was too lazy to code error messages
01:19<bcr>the latter happens more often than it should and when you complain, they're all 'it's not a bug' or 'fix it yourself'
01:20<hewl>That ain't so good. I firmly believe that if the program didn't do exactly as you intended it to, it should be made clear to the user what happened and provide them with useful information as to what they can do.
01:20<bcr>yeah, but, as the saying goes, you get what you pay for
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01:21<hewl>It's done. Time to reboot. I'll be back here with the log results.
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01:26<user>ola
01:26<user>I'm hewl
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01:28<Guest1365>ok so right off the bat it's fallen back to vesa so anything we see here is probably unapplicable
01:28<Guest1365>Here is a paste of xorg's log: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/d3169bf9/
01:29<Guest1365>notably it says it's reverting to software rendering instead of direct rendering.
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01:30<Guest1365>jmcnaught: What do you gather from this?
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01:30<jm_>that this combination of nouveau driver and kernel does not support your card
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01:31<Guest1365>750Ti baby
01:31<Guest1365>Honestly I don't think it's that rare a card
01:33<jmcnaught>Guest1365: Jessie froze in late 2014. After it froze, no new versions of kernels or nouveau were allowed. If your card was brand new at that time, Jessie won't have support for it.
01:33<jm_>that doesn't matter, what matters is the version of the driver/kernel that went into debian vs. release date for the card
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01:34<Guest1365>AhI see, the version of kernel and nouveau driver used by Debian stable is so old that the 750Ti was released after that freeze. But still we've been over this, this is the reason I backported the newer kernel.
01:35<Guest1365>jmcnaught: Is that all you wanted to see what the live image was going to do? I'd like to boot back into my old kernel.
01:35<jm_>but that does not apply to the live image does it?
01:36<Guest1365>jm_ The live image is based on jessie, ins't is?
01:36<Guest1365>sorry for my mispelling, I don't normally use Qwerty
01:36<jmcnaught>Guest1365: yeah that was the point, to see an Xorg.0.log similar to what you would have gotten on the fresh install before nvidia-driver was installed then removed
01:36<jm_>Guest1365: yup and it uses the kernel that's part of the image, not the one you installed on your debian installation on the hard disk
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01:37<Guest1365>jm_ Yep, so it's using the older kernel which makes perfect sense
01:37<jmcnaught>Guest1365: do opengl programs segfault on the live boot like they do on your HDD install?
01:37<Guest1365>jmcnaught: Should I attempt to crash?
01:38<jmcnaught>Guest1365: might as well
01:38<Guest1365>just did it, says the renderer is 3.D Mesa
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01:38<Guest1365>it didn't crash
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01:38<jm_>the big difference is that you are now using vesa driver, while with your regular install it's using nouveau AFAIK
01:39<Guest1365>The 3D accelorater is "unknown"
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01:39<Guest1365>jm_ Yep. So thus the conclusion I draw is that nouveau is just unusable for now.
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01:40<Guest1365>My next objective is to uninstall the backported kernel, update GRUB, reboot, install nvidia-driver and then hack it a bit to make it properly work.
01:41<jm_>Guest1365: the versions you have I suppose, might be worth trying some newer live image (even if it's not debian for example)
01:41<jm_>uninstalling the kernel automatically updates grub, no need to do it manually
01:41<Guest1365>jm_ What would that aim to achieve? I'm going to be using Debian.
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01:42<Guest1365>jm_ I've also changed some of GRUB's settings and I want those to go through as well.
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02:03<hewl>We're back to HD.
02:03<hewl>For some reason nvidia-driver failed to install its config file. Luckily I could just restore the backup I made of it, but that's still weird.
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02:05<jm_>which config file?
02:06<hewl>jm_: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
02:06<hewl>The installer says "failed to create a config file, create it manually with nvidia-config"
02:06<hewl>I just restored it using the backup I made of it.
02:07<jm_>hewl: if you remember from https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers, it says one needs to either use the nvidia-xconfig or create it manually
02:07<hewl>It doesn't matter what file names I give files inside /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ right?
02:07<hewl>jm_ Well I created it manually then. It's working now.
02:07<jm_>from the man page:
02:07<jm_>Xorg uses a configuration file called xorg.conf and files ending in the
02:07<jm_> suffix .conf from the directory xorg.conf.d for its initial setup.
02:08<jm_>so it matters how you name it :)
02:08<hewl>jm_ Ah, but I mean things like does it matter if it's name "nvidia.conf" or "xorg.conf"
02:09<hewl>Now I just need to recall if I forced triplebuffering in xorg or kwin...
02:09<hewl>In alternative news, that pulseaudio fix is working. Volume didn't reset to 100% on boot.
02:09<jm_>hewl: no
02:10<hewl>thank you
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02:11<nonedead>I am having a problem updating to mysql 5.6 on jessie. I have looked online and have not had any sucess
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02:11<hewl>rebooting
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02:12<nonedead>Rebooting?
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02:22<hitori>Hi. Which packages do I need for VA-API on intel i915?
02:23<jm_>i965-va-driver
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02:25<hitori>jm_: thank you!
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02:26<jmcnaught>nonedead: what is the problem?
02:27<nonedead>Jessie has 5.5 installed from apt
02:27<nonedead>I am trying to solve problem to see if 5.6 will fix it
02:28<jm_>5.6 is available in backports
02:29<nonedead>How do I install it from backports?
02:29<nonedead>I have never had to do this
02:30<hewl>nonedead: You'll need to adjust your sources.list to accept packages from backports.
02:30<hewl>nonedead: What do you normally use to install packages?
02:31<nonedead>I use apt-get
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02:31<hewl>With root, edit the text file /etc/apt/sources.list
02:31<hewl>what do you have in there already?
02:32<jm_>see http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
02:32<nonedead>deb http://mirror.cogentco.com/debian jessie main deb-src http://mirror.cogentco.com/debian jessie main deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main # jessie-updates, previously known as 'volatile' deb http://mirror.cogentco.com/debian jessie-updates main deb-src http://mirror.cogentco.com/debian jessie-updates main
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02:33<hewl>With that, you can just paste the following two lines onto the end of sources.list:
02:33<hewl>deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main contrib non-free
02:33<hewl>deb-src http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main contrib non-free
02:33<hewl>You can choose to exclude non-free if you desire.
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02:34<hewl>Although that should work, you may get better speeds by replacing http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ with http://mirror.cogentco.com/debian
02:35<nonedead>I already have mysql 5.5 installed, how to I tell it to update from backports?
02:36<jmcnaught>nonedead: https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
02:36<hewl>jm_ should know this better than I, but in general you should remove the older package to avoid conflicts and then install the backported package with "apt-get install -t backports <packagename>"
02:37<jmcnaught>you don't remove the older package first
02:37<hewl>^ Just being safe.
02:38<jmcnaught>removing stuff for no reason isn't safe
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02:38<hewl>jmcnaught: But what about attempting to use certain driver packages while others are installed? That causes huge conflicts and messed up libraries.
02:40<jm_>hewl: package relationship should take care of that
02:41<hewl>jm_ I'm not familiar with that. Where can I read more?
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02:44<jm_>hewl: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html
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02:45<hewl>jm_ Thank you.
02:45<jm_>no worries
02:46<hewl>So in general, dpkg will not install a package if it's going to cause conflicts. No user intervention required.
02:48<hewl>How do I identify the BSSID of a particular network?
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02:55<nonedead>Is there a way to uninstall mysql without looking any of the databases?
02:55<nonedead>*loosing
02:56<hewl>nonedead: As mentioned by jmcnaught it's better to simply leave it installed.
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02:56<jm_>back in the day you got a question asking you if you want to remove /var/lib/mysql or whatever the dir is together with the package, if one said no, DB-s stayed, at least that's how I remember it, but you don't need to remove it first in this case
02:56<hewl>my fault entirely, sorry for feeding misinformation
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05:15<blono>is it possible to install debian without "bloatware"... yesterday i did a fresh install and the only option i selected was xfce... no debian desktop environment, no standard system utilities... yet, firefox, iceweasel and libre office (anything else?) are installed out of the box... as far as i know those programs are not part of xfce at all :S
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05:21<blono>i know i could do a base install and add everything manually, but i don't understand how this can happen with a basic xfce install
05:24<blono>what am i missing here?
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05:26<blono>https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel says that openoffice will be installed when you opt in for the debian desktop environment, but i didn't so to me this makes no sense :S
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05:38<blono>are these packages integrated in debian by default? and if so, where can i find a list of all packages that are part of debian by default?
05:40<blono>also... will this mean that doing a base install won't get rid of these packages?
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05:43<itd>blono: for all "default" packages "tasksel --task-packages gnome-desktop" should tell you what will be installed. If you don't want that. There are other gnome tasks as well (see the gnome page in the wiki).
05:44<blono>I didn't install gnome, i chose xfce... does your reply still apply?
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05:45<blono>also... i don't know how to get acces to terminal during installation, so i wouldn't know where to enter that command
05:46<jm_>blono: it's possible if you install stuff manually
05:46<jm_>terminal is on tty2
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05:47<jm_>and I doubt tasksel is on the installation images, you'd need to chroot into /target or whatever
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05:47<blono>jm_: so you're saying that base install doesn't include firefox esr, but base install + xfce does? :S
05:48<jm_>blono: yes, base doesn't even have X
05:49<blono>but how/why? :S the + xfce part should just install xfce right? :S not extra "bloatware"
05:49<jm_>blono: like mentioned by itd, task-xfce-desktop does
05:49<jm_>«apt-cache show task-xfce-desktop» and see for yourself
05:49<jm_>!install xfce
05:49<dpkg>To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies». To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "Xfce" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet connection may be required to obtain these packages.
05:49<jm_>ahh I thought it would offer more choices, like install gnome/kde
05:50<blono>ah ok, this makes sense
05:50<jm_>so if you install xfce4 only you don't get the extras, or disabled installation of recommends if you want to follow that route
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05:51<jm_>disable*
05:51<blono>how do i do the latter?
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05:53<jm_>!apt-recommends
05:53<dpkg>Packages required in all but unusual cases (that is, "breakable" dependencies) are called "recommended" packages. By not installing these packages, you miss the standard functionality they provide. To disable once, "aptitude -R install packagename" or "apt-get --no-install-recommends install packagename". To disable permanently, echo "APT::Install-Recommends no;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/no-recommends. See <why recommends>.
05:53<blono>i mean... when i'm on the "base is now installed would you like to install desktop environments" page... how do install xfce without task-xfce-desktop?
05:53<jm_>you can't do that in the installer unless you disable recommends I believe
05:53<jm_>but it's trivial to just skip that step and install xfce with apt
05:54<blono>will that configure everything correctly?
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05:54<jm_>sure, you just skip installation of task packages
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05:56<blono>ok so to confirm... when i choose xfce in the installer that will have the base install and then do apt install xfce and apt tasks-xfce-desktop?
05:56<blono>are does it do more?
05:57<blono>or*
05:57<jm_>it installs task-xfce-desktop
05:58<jm_>yeah that's installed after the base
05:58<itd>blono: don't install anything else than base in the installer.
05:58<itd>blono: disable recommends.
05:58<itd>blono: install xfce
05:59<blono>ok
05:59<itd>blono: note that the second step should be done, when the installation is finished.
05:59<blono>the installation of what?
05:59<blono>the base system?
05:59<itd>blono: yes.
06:00<blono>ok
06:00<blono>but now i'm trying to understand what the graphical installer does behind the scenes
06:00<blono>when i only choose xfce
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06:01<blono>will it do apt install tasks-xfce-desktop and nothing more?
06:01<jm_>like I already answered, yes
06:01<blono>sorry, i probably missed that
06:02<itd>blono: it installs the xfce task. look here on what is required and what is recommended: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/task-xfce-desktop
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06:02<blono>yep already found that :)
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06:05<Armin>hi everyone. I have a problem on my debian vps box (only terminal access, no GUI) which is pretty wierd. I cant open some https websites (via lynx, or proxying via my vps, or by vpn to my vps). how can i solve it, or even find the problem???
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06:05<Armin>i already checked my ip and it is not blacklisted. :(
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06:06<Armin>btw, the problem existed on my previous vps machine which was centos.
06:06<duclicsic>Armin: if you try to connect directly to one of these web servers from the vps what happens? e.g. 'telnet www.example.com 443'
06:07<Armin>let me check...
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06:08<duclicsic>it'll either connect, error immediately with a message like "Connection refused", or it will sit there and time out
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06:09<Armin>duclicsic: well it tries the ip, and then says connected. btw one of these websites is github.com
06:09<HappyLoaf>Also openssl s_client -connect www.example.com:443 to verify SSL works properly
06:09<duclicsic>ok so you are at least able to make a tcp connection to the http service
06:09<HappyLoaf>Can you do GET / HTTP/1.1
06:09<HappyLoaf>Host: www.github.com
06:09<duclicsic>this rules out firewalls and blacklists etc
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06:11<Armin>Happyloaf: it says connected (00000003)
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06:11<duclicsic>is that all it prints?
06:11<blono>I think i understand now :) thanks for the help :)
06:11<HappyLoaf>Do you get a load of output showing the SSL certificate?
06:11<Armin>how can i verify get/http/1.1 ?
06:11<HappyLoaf>You type it in
06:12<HappyLoaf>That's the HTTP command to get /
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06:12<duclicsic>type it exacrly as HappyLoaf wrote it though
06:12<duclicsic>you may also then have to type "Host: github.com" and press enter a couple of times
06:13<duclicsic>but you've not answered some questions
06:13<duclicsic>[11:11] < duclicsic> is that all it prints?
06:13<duclicsic>[11:11] < HappyLoaf> Do you get a load of output showing the SSL certificate?
06:14<Armin>ok.
06:14<Armin>in openssl output i only see connected
06:14<Armin>after entering commands and hitting enter, nothing happens
06:15<Armin>let me pastebin it for you to be sure i typed it correct
06:15<duclicsic>if it's only getting as far as printing "CONNECTED(00000003)" you're not going to be able to issue it any commands
06:16<Armin>let me run the same command on twitter.com which works.
06:16<blono>when i disable recommends... will that work recursively? e.g.: will apt-get --no-install-recommends install task-xfce-desktop also ignore the recommended packages inside for example the xfce4 package?
06:17<duclicsic>ok
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06:18<duclicsic>Armin: there is a possibility this is a path mtu discovery issue. does this vps run a local firewall or sit behind one?
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06:18<duclicsic>if you have iptables rules configured, please pastebin the output of 'iptables-save' and link it here
06:18<Armin>duclicsic: on twitter, i get bloats of certs and stuff, but again, after entering commands, nothing happens, seems im entering them wrong.
06:18<jm_>blono: if you disable it via apt.conf you don't need to use the --no-install-recommends option
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06:19<Armin>duclicsic: how can i be sure?
06:19<duclicsic>Armin: have you personally configured a firewall on the vps, or installed something that would set up a firewall for you?
06:19<blono>jm_ whatever method i use to ignore recommended, will that method ignore recursively?
06:20<jm_>blono: yes I think it does
06:20<duclicsic>Armin: run 'iptables-save' and see what output it produces
06:20<duclicsic>as root of course
06:20<jm_>but you should check the list of packages it will install to be sure
06:20<blono>jm_ how do i disable that? :P
06:20<Armin>duclicsic: yes. i have iptables on it. its the first thing i setup on my vps
06:20<blono>i only want it to ignore the first time
06:20<duclicsic>Armin: ok please show me your iptables rules, run 'iptables-save' as root and pastebin it
06:20<Armin>ok ...
06:20<jm_>blono: you can't, in that case install stuff the task package depends on manually
06:21<duclicsic>most likely you've done something like block all icmp
06:21<itd>blono: just install the 4 dependencies of task-xfce-desktop with apt.
06:21<jm_>that would explain why it works with some sites
06:21<blono>jm_: ah ok thanks :)
06:21<duclicsic>Armin: does this vps have an IPv6 address?
06:22<duclicsic>Armin: if so, please also provide the output of 'ip6tables-save'
06:22<Armin>duclicsic: i will pastebin my ifconfig too
06:22<blono>what's better to use? apt or aptitude?
06:22<duclicsic>no that's useless
06:22<Armin>ok...
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06:22<duclicsic>does it have IPv6?
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06:22<Armin>i dont think so.
06:23<jm_>blono: the recommended tool changed in the past, now it's again apt-gt
06:24<blono>jm_: ohw... i read somewhere that apt-get was a bit outdated and that apt was the new version of apt-get
06:24<itd>blono: you can "/msg dpkg why aptitude" "/msg dpkg why not aptitude"
06:24<jm_>blono: yeah not sure what's going on in testing/sid, i'm talking about current stable
06:25<jm_>I use aptitude at home but switched to apt-get at work with jessie as aptitude had some issues when upgrading
06:25<blono>jm_: ah ok
06:25<Armin>duclicsic: here you go http://pastebin.ca/3726118
06:25<duclicsic>ah yes
06:25<duclicsic>you're too restrictive with icmp
06:25<Armin>:D
06:26<Armin>i hope thats the problem
06:26<duclicsic>you're only allowing echo requests
06:26<Armin>i just copied over my centos rules ;)
06:26<duclicsic>you need to make sure you're allowing things like 'fragmentation needed' messages
06:26<duclicsic>just change the rule for now so it allows all icmp, you can refine it later if it works
06:27<Armin>ok. let me try it ...
06:27<jm_>bI think you can find a better example in the frozentux iptables tutorial script
06:28<blono>then there's something else I don't understand: drivers. I read somewhere that linux basically works out of the box and doesn't require it's users to manually manage the drivers. Is this true and does it also aplly to graphics drivers?
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06:29<jm_>blono: the answer is a classic -- it depends
06:29<duclicsic>Armin: i have to go now, hopefully that helps
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06:29<blono>i tried this distro called antergos and it came with an option to install proprietary graphics drivers... this made me thing that there is only 1 graphics driver in the linux world... is this correct?
06:29<Armin>duclicsic: thanks i appreciate it
06:29<jm_>blono: no, there are tons of different drivers
06:30<blono>ah ok
06:31<blono>but when i install debian... do i need to do anything manually... for example... do i need to manually install a driver for my network card?
06:32<blono>to make it work more optimal
06:32<jm_>in most cases no, some wifi drivers require a firmware, which would be missing unless you installed with one of the "firmware images"
06:33<itd>blono: the install should be able to tell you if some firmware is missing
06:33<blono>but it's not like i need a specefic driver for my specific card?
06:33<jm_>yes it is, it's a specific driver for specific piece of hardware
06:33<blono>or for the motherboard for example
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06:34<itd>blono: on what kind of hardware do you want to install debian?
06:34<blono>my main desktop and an old pentium 4
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06:34<blono>my main desktop has an i7 intel processor
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06:35<blono>with an Nvidia card in it
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06:35<jm_>note that in some cases you need a newer kernel to drive new hardware, but these days the bpo kernel is quite new so you can use that
06:35<blono>660 TI
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06:35<jm_>hopefully 1060 not 660 TI :P
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06:37<blono>I'm sorry i still don't quite understand... when i install debian on my main desktop... with the Nvidia graphics card... do i need to install any drivers manually to get the most out of my hardware, or does debian already have the best drivers possible?
06:37<blono>e.g. Nvidia 660 TI
06:38<Armin>ok. i still cant open github.com https website. seems it wasnt icmp problem
06:39<blono>http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-660ti/specifications
06:39<Yoda-BZH>blono: debian provides nvidia drivers in the non-free section
06:40<jm_>blono: and again, it depends - if you are happy using the nouveau driver and it works, hten no, if you want to use the proprietaty nvidia driver, then yes
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06:40<Yoda-BZH>https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
06:40<Yoda-BZH>(if you *really* want the drivers provided by nvidia)
06:40<blono>yes this is what i mean...
06:41<Yoda-BZH>otherwise the default nv driver works quite nicely
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06:42<blono>this is 1 driver... this confuses me... shouldn't i install a driver that's specifically made for my graphics card (series)? instead of a driver for Nvidia in general?
06:43<blono>or does this driver somehow check what card I'm using and adept to that specific card?
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06:44<Yoda-BZH>they both works, it's just nv is free and open source, nvidia's driver is not
06:44<jm_>X server detects the hardware and uses appropriate driver these days (that's why it's handy if all of them are installed via the xorg package)
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06:46<blono>what would be legitimate reasons to *really* want the proprietary driver?
06:46<Yoda-BZH>3D stuff, using opengl, want to play 3D games
06:47<jm_>in the past week a feller was here who switched from the nvidia driver to nouveau and he gets crashes just running glxinfo, that sort of thing, also if you're after performance
06:47<blono>I should say that i want to be able play games with nice 3d graphics
06:47<jm_>in the past power management was also the reason, not sure on state of that today
06:48<blono>https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers is this the only proprietary graphics driver available for debian?
06:49<Yoda-BZH>for nvidia ? yes
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06:52<blono>and for amd there is also only 1 driver available?
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06:52<jm_>it's the same - free and non-free drivers are available
06:52<jm_>(one of each)
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06:52<blono>ok i understand :)
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06:54<blono>[12:47] <Yoda-BZH> 3D stuff, using opengl, want to play 3D games implies that playing 3D games isn't possible with the open source driver... is this assumption correct?
06:54<blono>or does it just work less often/more buggy?
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06:54<jm_>no, see http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau-linux-45&num=1 as an example
06:55<Yoda-BZH>ow, interesting reading
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06:59<blono>this article is talking about linux 4.5 kernel... when i install debian i get to choose several images... one of which is 3.x... pae and one of which is just linux image pae... is the latter 4.5 kernel?
07:00<jm_>no, you get 4.7 via bpo only (additional package), not after the install
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07:00<jm_>!bpo kernel
07:00<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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07:00<Yoda-BZH>I was going to say "depends, some may not work, some will have a lower framerate"
07:00<gebruiker>How do i enable automatic updates in debian desktop?
07:01<jm_>(use apt* you normally use, don't switch from aptitude to apt-get or vv despite what the above says)
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07:05<blono>another topic I'm a bit confused about is security... Does debian come with a firewall (gui) installed (gufw?) and do i need to do anything manually to make sure i'm secure?
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07:06<jm_>no no firewall by default
07:06<blono>so i need to install gufw and configure it correctly... anything else?
07:07<blono>anti virus? doing things with ports? anti malware?
07:07<blono>or is it even needed to install a firewall on linux? :P
07:08<blono>i guess it is
07:08<jm_>it won't hurt if done properly
07:09<blono>what security measures do you personally use?
07:12<blono>hmmm i just realized, that question might be a bit rude/intrusive
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07:13<jm_>firewall
07:14<blono>ohw ok
07:14<blono>well I think that wraps it up... thanks you so much :) you guys took away so much confusion :D
07:15<jm_>no worries
07:16<gebruiker>is there a way to get automatic security updates?
07:17<itd>gebruiker: yes. https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades
07:17<jm_>gebruiker: look at stuff like cron-apt
07:17<gebruiker>which one would you recommend?
07:17<gebruiker>OK
07:17<jm_>or that yes
07:18<blono>ohw one more thing... where can i find a list of all the repositories i'm "subscribed" to?
07:19<jm_>blono: apt-cache policy
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07:19<blono>jm_ thanks :)
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07:28<Armin>oh sorry ;)
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07:55<gebruiker>what is the difference between chrome and chromeium? does chromeium have the good flash like chrome?
07:55<jesterflax>Hello. Can someone tell me what is the "full freeze" scheduled for 2017/02/05? Thanks a lot
07:56<jesterflax>gebruiker
07:56<jesterflax>Chromium is chrome for linux
07:56<jm_>chromium is open source browser, yes it has flash if you install pepperflashplugin-nonfree
07:56<gebruiker>i noticed that google also has chrome on their website for linux
07:57<gebruiker>what is that about?
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07:58<jm_>chromium is open source version of that
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07:59<jesterflax>Can someone answer to me too?
07:59<itd>dpkg: freeze
07:59<dpkg>The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'. Stretch will start to freeze in early 2017. Also ask me about <slushy>, <stretch freeze>.
08:00<jesterflax>Ah ok
08:00<jesterflax>Thanks a lot
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08:00<jesterflax>So we expect debian 9 at late 2017?
08:02<jm_>probably
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08:04<jesterflax>Ok cool.
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08:37<gebruiker>when i plugin my usb hard drive ( external ) cinnamon does not show it automatically. what needs to be chagned?
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08:38<Minimi>Hello, can someone help with a boot problem?
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08:42<Minimi>hello, is there someone? ; ;
08:44<hrafn>Minimi: what is it that's not working as expected? It is easier for people to know if they can help you if you specify the problem you're having in detail.
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08:47<Minimi>Oh i see, sorry, my question is about powerpc debian 8, after installation, it won't boot at all. (imac g5)
08:48<Minimi>I'm trying to add more details: The installation seems to be ok, it downlads a lot then eject the CD. After this the powerpc restart and i'm stuck on the screen where it show a mac icon meaning : no bootable hdd found.
08:49<Minimi>The version of this powerpc is a iMac g5, there is no other OS installed on it, i wanted only Debian.
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08:51<gebruiker>How do I find out my cpu family?
08:54<hrafn>gebruiker: Open terminal, type "lscpu", hit return
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08:57<gebruiker>hrafn, does not list my cpu family
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08:59<Minimi>Gebruiker, did you try to install cpuid, i think it shows the family.
08:59<Megaf>folks, how am I supposed to change my touchpad settings on Debian with GNOME 3? http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/GitPaste/raw/master/screenshots/Screenshot%20from%202016-10-07%2013:54:26.png
08:59<Minimi>(apt-get install cpuid) then after install the command is cpuid
09:00<bitplane>Hi. I installed debian 8.6.0 on my home server, and was expecting to use ctrl+alt+f1 to f6 to get to a terminal, but I don't get a login prompt on them, just some text saying "8 data terminal". Any idea how to get a shell on those terminals?
09:01<bitplane>I used debian-live-8.6.0-amd64-cinnamon-desktop+nonfree.iso if that matters at all
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09:01<gebruiker>you used a desktop iso on a server?
09:02<Megaf>^
09:02<Megaf>bitplane: you should use netwinstall iso and install just base system
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09:02<Megaf>gebruiker: could be a remote desktop server, or remote development server
09:03<bitplane>gebruiker: yeah I fancied having a desktop in case I needed it, there's a few UI tools I like to use occasionally
09:04<bitplane>it's a glorified NAS that happens to have a keyboard, mouse and monitor attached
09:04<Megaf>gebruiker: you could at least use the installed ISO with LXDE
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09:05<Megaf>I mean, bitplane
09:05<Megaf>bitplane: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.6.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.6.0-amd64-lxde-CD-1.iso
09:05<itd>dpkg: tell Minimi about fixmbr
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09:06<bitplane>yeah I ended up installing XFCE but didn't get around to removing Cinnamon yet
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09:06<itd>Minimi: would be my suggestion for your problem. :)
09:06<bitplane>any idea on how to get those terminals working though? what provides those? I expect some sort of login living on them
09:07<gebruiker>maybere there are some bootloader paramters you can do
09:07<Minimi> Hum, thanks you for your advices i'm trying to understand it now w.
09:07<gebruiker>like enable tty ?
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09:08<bitplane>yeah I think so. I mean, there appears to be something attached to them but it's not a login shell or whatever usually asks me to log in and gives me a bash prompt
09:09<babilen>gebruiker: cat /proc/cpuinfo
09:10<itd>bitplane: what does /etc/default/console-setup say?
09:10<gebruiker>babilen, it says cpu famly 6?
09:10<Minimi>The problem is i can't use GRUB because i'm on a mac (Powerpc) so it's only yaboot on this machine.
09:11<bitplane>itd: http://pastebin.ca/3726146
09:14<bitplane>itd, comparing that with my Ubuntu VM that does work, I can't see anything obvious in there.
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09:16<babilen>gebruiker: What are you looking for? The output of that command should be a *lot* longer than "cpu famly 6"
09:17<gebruiker>babilen, perhaps because it is in a virtualbox? Guessing here.
09:18<babilen>gebruiker: What do you need that information for?
09:18<gebruiker>babilen, playing arround with kernel compiling and different patches
09:19<babilen>So, what's the output of that command?
09:19<babilen>And what are you trying to achieve by compiling your kernel?
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09:22<gebruiker>babilen, http://pastebin.com/KneKKVrS . just learning and following my interests
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09:53<gebruiker>guys I am getting a weird error with fakeroot make-kpkg http://pastebin.com/0Exj8xT3
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11:02<Guest1402>hello
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11:07<usoso>Hi everybody
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11:08<usoso>I need help with size of /tmp some of you can help me? I'm sorry by my english
11:09<Guest1402>size?
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11:17<wang>anyone online?
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11:17<Guest1402>yes
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11:29<usoso>I need add more size to /tmp on jessie 64 bit how to do that?
11:29<bremner>usoso: how is your disk partitioned? is /tmp a seperate partition?
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11:30<bremner>are you using LVM?
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11:31<usoso>no, this is my df -h
11:31<usoso>S.ficheros Tamaño Usados Disp Uso% Montado en
11:31<usoso>/dev/dm-0 8,2G 5,9G 1,9G 76% /
11:31<usoso>udev 10M 0 10M 0% /dev
11:32<usoso>tmpfs 375M 5,7M 369M 2% /run
11:32<usoso>tmpfs 936M 412K 935M 1% /dev/shm
11:32<usoso>tmpfs 5,0M 4,0K 5,0M 1% /run/lock
11:32<usoso>tmpfs 936M 0 936M 0% /sys/fs/cgroup
11:32<usoso>/dev/sda1 236M 33M 191M 15% /boot
11:32<usoso>/dev/mapper/pc--debian--vg-tmp 360M 2,2M 335M 1% /tmp
11:32<usoso>/dev/mapper/pc--debian--vg-var 2,7G 530M 2,1G 21% /var
11:32<usoso>/dev/mapper/pc--debian--vg-home 444G 3,2G 418G 1% /home
11:32<blast007>!paste
11:32<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
11:32<usoso>tmpfs 188M 8,0K 188M 1% /run/user/118
11:32<usoso>tmpfs 188M 32K 188M 1% /run/user/1000
11:32<usoso>ok dpkg I'm sorry
11:33<usoso>bremmer, yes i'm using LVM
11:34<blast007>Your /tmp is a tmpfs, so it's just stored in temporary memory. Why are you needing a larger /tmp?
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11:35<blast007>or wait, sorry, you do have it on an actual partition, I was looking the the last two lines
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11:39<usoso>Ok I need a larger /tmp because i'm installing android studio and wend finish to download the platforms and start to unpacking is stopped by no space in /tmp
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11:43<tenyasha>mmm
11:45<csnxs>nnn
11:50<usoso>??
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11:51<tenyasha>hello where do you live ;d
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11:54<bremner>usoso: you need to first grow the LVM volume, then run resize2fs
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11:55<bremner>I guess lvresize for the first step, assuming you have extra unallocated disk space
11:55<technoid_>usoso: I did it earlier this week, wasn't bad at all.
11:55<technoid_>I added a drive
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12:01<Armin>hi guys. i still cant connect to some https websites on my debian vps. one of those websites is github.com. can someonhelp me find where this weird problem is?
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12:22<jmcnaught>Armin: what is the error? what program are you using?
12:23<Armin>jmcnaught: there is no error. it times out. I've tried lynx, proxying from my workstation, vpn ...
12:23<Armin>some things i tried ...
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12:24<Armin>i tried to connect via openssl s_client -connect : it just says connected. no cert info. no nothing
12:25<Armin>i also tracerouted to github. it ended with nothing after 30 hops.
12:25<Armin>but i can easily ping it.
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12:33<r4f_debian>Hi all, please, I forgot how to check in Debian the packages installed. I need to remove virtualbox, but before removing it, I need to know the correct package name
12:35<blast007>r4f_debian: aptititude search ~i~nvirtualbox (to search for installed packages that have 'virtualbox' in the package name)
12:36<r4f_debian>Hi blast007, thanks for help !
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12:36<mots>Wouldn't "dpkg -l | grep virtualbox" be better?
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12:37<r4f_debian>blast007, it replies an strange output: i virtualbox-5.0 - Oracle VM VirtualBox
12:38<r4f_debian>with this long space between words
12:38<r4f_debian>Hi mots
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12:39<mtn>r4f_debian: synaptic is an easy to use gui that does exactly what you want.
12:39<blast007>r4f_debian: it's just column layouts
12:39<blast007>it shows the state, the package name, and the description
12:39<r4f_debian>I forgot the command to check it, mtn, I would like to focuse activities here through command line
12:39<blast007>so the package name is 'virtualbox-5.0'
12:40<mtn>r4f_debian: sure, make it hard on yourself. fine with me ;)
12:41<r4f_debian>thanks for suggestion, mtn, in fact, I want to make it hard for myself, prefer using Debian through command line. Thanks !
12:41<r4f_debian>I will try it here, blast007
12:41*mtn checks calendar. hmm, not the 20th century anymore
12:41<r4f_debian>Thanks for help
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12:43<r4f_debian>it is not the question of being or not in 20th century. All large and modern enterprises still continue using UNIX and UNIX-like Systems through command line, for n reasons I don't need to explain here. Using Debian as it is in fact (UNIX-like) is a great and fine practice for me
12:43<jmcnaught>Armin: do you have any firewall rules? what happens if you telnet to port 443?
12:44<r4f_debian>thanks for help and support, blast007 !
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12:44<Armin>jmcnaught: i totally disabled my iptables. yet no luck. i cant telnet to ssl enabled website. i instead used openssl s_client
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12:45<r4f_debian>fixed here, blast007. Thanks again. As I always say: Debian Warriors are the Best !
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12:45<r4f_debian>See you. Bye !
12:46<r4f_debian>and thanks for suggestions, mtn and mots !
12:46<r4f_debian>Bye all !
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12:47<jmcnaught>Armin: telnet will let you connect if it's not blocked, then the remote will disconnect you if you enter something
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13:08<saso>give me op
13:08<saso>:D
13:08<saso>hop
13:08<saso>#hop
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13:10<grawity>nope
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13:12<Echoz>what kind of request is that
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13:14<grawity>the lame kind
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13:18<Echoz>Armin: how are you trying to connect to these https sites?
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13:32<Drzacek>Hi, my HDMI output doesnt work, I'm on dell laptop with 2 gpu (intel + nvidia), installed nvidia driver and bumblebee last week, thought this gonna resolve my hdmi problems
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13:33<Armin>jmcnaught: yes i can connect to them.
13:34<Armin>yes. i have problems communicating with some https websites which are not few.
13:34<jmcnaught>Armin: does gnutls-cli work?
13:34<Armin>jmcnaught: let me check
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13:36<Armin>jmcnaught: no i cant. it get stuck on connectng.
13:37<jmcnaught>Armin: and when it eventually times out there is no error message?
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13:39<Armin>i ran it once more with -VVV option and it showed some certs. but after repeating again failed. showed operation time out. handshake failed
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13:40<jmcnaught>Armin: can you make a paste of the error output?
13:41<Armin>jmcnaught: ofcourse. let me pastebin it...
13:41<Armin>jmcnaught: http://pastebin.com/eTVuMrQY
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13:43<jmcnaught>Armin: but you said that https works for some sites?
13:43<Armin>yes it does. let me pastebin same command on twitter.com
13:44<Armin>http://pastebin.com/D4GT8zEg
13:44<jmcnaught>Armin: that just gives me a captcha. could you please not use pastebin.com?
13:45<Armin>ok. favourite alternative?
13:45<Drzacek>paste.debian.net :D
13:45<jmcnaught>http://paste.debian.net/ or any one that doesn't use ads or javascript should be fine
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13:47<Armin>http://paste.debian.net/858105/
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13:48<jmcnaught>Armin: i am starting to suspect you have something on your network blocking https requests to certain sites.. but you said earlier it also fails if you route through a VPN?
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13:50<Armin>well, i have set up a vpn server on my vps, so i guess outcome shouldnt be any different. i have not tried to connect to another vpn server via my vps though.
13:51<jmcnaught>Armin: it would be good to know if the problem is on your VPS or the network it's on
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13:54<Armin>ok. any easy public openvpn server? :)
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13:55<itd>Wouldn't be sufficient to use a HTTP proxy? (Which is probably easier to find.)
13:56<Armin>thats ok too :)
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14:04<Armin>jmcnaught: cant seem to get anything via proxy either. http://paste.debian.net/858109/
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14:05<jmcnaught>Armin: all i see is that it connected and then there was a ^C... i guess it was taking a long time?
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14:06<Armin>yes.exactly
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14:06<jmcnaught>Armin: what about "http_proxy=http://example.com/ gnutls-cli github.com" ?
14:07<jmcnaught>i'd probably also try an ssh tunnel if you have another server available
14:07<Armin>unfortunately i dont
14:08<Armin>how can i force gnutls to use http proxy?
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14:10<jmcnaught>Armin: it doesn't work with the http_proxy environment variable? i've never tried to be honest
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14:12<jmcnaught>Armin: couple of things to look into: does this only happen with sites that have certificates signed by a certain CA? And you could try doing an strace of the gnutls-cli or openssl s_client command
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14:13<jmcnaught>the strace will help you determine what is timing out
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14:15<itd>Armin: I guess if "http_proxy=localhost:1234 gnutls-cli twitter.com" fails, then the http_proxy variable is respected. (If there is no proxy active at port 1234.)
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14:17<Armin>ok. sorry for being noob, but how can i use strace for this problem?
14:18<itd>Armin: There is also a debug option. Setting that might be also useful. (e.g. '-d 5')
14:18<itd>For gnutls-cli I mean.
14:18<jmcnaught>Armin: if you run "strace gnutls-cli github.com" it will show you all the system calls that are made (fun to read... but try the debug option itd told you about first)
14:19<Armin>itd: ok. ill try it again
14:21<Armin>itd: http://paste.debian.net/858111/
14:23<Armin>jmcnaught: holy moly. what a gibberish output ;p . http://paste.debian.net/858112/
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14:25<jmcnaught>Armin: it looks to me from both those pastes that the last thing that happens is your client sends a request to handshake with the server, and then doesn't get a response
14:25<Armin>so, something eats my packet on the way to github :|
14:26<Armin>NSA!?;)
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14:27<jmcnaught>Armin: is your VPS in a bad neighbourhood?
14:28<Armin>i got migrated few times. but all seem to be in orlando,FL
14:28<itd>jmcnaught: the assert in line 1104 supports your statement. :) 'GNUTLS_E_REQUESTED_DATA_NOT_AVAILABLE'
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14:39<jmcnaught>I gotta go, hope you sort it out :)
14:40<itd>Armin: would you mind to post the result of 'http_proxy=your-fancy-proxy-here gnutls-cli -d 10 github.com' (and maybe also 'http_proxy=localhost:54 gnutls-cli -d 10 github.com')?
14:40<barteks2x>Yesterday I asked here for help getting caffe library to work, but I gave up eventually. I want to try again. If this is not the right place to ask, any idea where? They have something on groups.google but for me such things usually end up being ask-->wait 1 day for reply--> write more-->wait 1 day for reply and so on until everyone forgets about the discussion
14:41<Armin>itd: ok
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14:43<itd>barteks2x: hi there. which aproach do you want to try? (building the package from sid or building from source as written on the caffe website)
14:44<barteks2x>whatever is less likely to end up being impossible to uninstall
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14:45<barteks2x>I don't care if it's going to be slow, I probably won't use gpu acceleration anyway because getting bumblebee to work there requires restarting the system every time
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14:49<itd>barteks2x: let's try compiling from source.
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14:51<barteks2x>well... I already tried, I got error about fatal error: hdf5.h: No such file or directory, I found this: https://github.com/NVIDIA/DIGITS/issues/156 the solution seems to be adding symlink somewhere. Is it safe thing to do?
14:52<barteks2x>I'm also not sure if I configured it correctly
14:55<vezult>I'm running debian 8, and I'm getting hung up upgrading udev.
14:55<vezult>attempting to configure udev just sits there forever
14:55<vezult>and I can't update or install anything else until that succeeds.
14:56<vezult>It just says: Setting up udev (215-17+deb8u5) ...
14:56<itd>barteks2x: I would suggest that you try what 'TheOpenSourceNinja' suggests here 'https://github.com/BVLC/caffe/issues/2690' first. :)
14:56<vezult>addgroup: The group `input' already exists as a system group. Exiting.
14:56<vezult>and does nothing else.
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14:58<vezult>it appears to be running: systemctl stop udev.service udev-control.socket udev-kernel.socket
14:58<vezult>systemd is also being upgraded..
14:58<barteks2x>that worked for this problem, let's see where it fails now
14:58<itd>barteks2x: ok! :)
14:58<vezult>but it apparently has to wait on udev
15:00<vezult>I think I had this problem on another machine..
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15:00<vezult>as if systemd isn't responding, so I can't stop/start services
15:00<vezult>and that blocks installation of udev, which blocks installation of the systemd upgrade..
15:01<itd>barteks2x: and since you asked: I would try to avoid adding a link pointing to something managed by a package. The file might vanish without me noticing.
15:01<vezult>any ideas?
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15:02<barteks2x>I got an error, but I'm almost sure I did something wrong in Makefile.config: "fatal error: pyconfig.h: No such file or directory", I'm trying to use it with anaconda
15:03<itd>barteks2x: Could you please upload your current Makefile.config to paste.debian.net?
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15:05<itd>vezult: sorry, no idea. what did you do on the other machine?
15:05<itd>Armin: How is it going?
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15:07<vezult>ah. it looks as if it's trying to prompt me for a password: /bin/systemd-tty-ask-password-agent --watch
15:08<vezult>but I'm not actually getting prompted for anything
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15:09<itd>judd: bug 774153
15:09<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/774153 in udev (open): «systemd-tty-ask-password hangs udev postinst until daemon-reexec is run»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-12-29; last modified: 2016-09-22.
15:09<itd>vezult: ^ ?
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15:11<vezult>ah
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15:16<barteks2x>the config seems right, I can find pyconfig.h in one of those include directoryies and it still ends with " fatal error: pyconfig.h: No such file or directory". Makefile.config: https://paste.debian.net/858121/
15:19<itd>barteks2x: I would say you need to uncomment all three anaconda lines (at the moment 2. & 3. line is commented out).
15:19<barteks2x>damn, who the hell starts comments in the middle of a line?
15:19<Armin>itd: sorry for delay :) http://paste.debian.net/858122/
15:21<itd>Armin: no problem. sadly gnutls-cli doesn't seem to care about the proxy. ;/
15:22<vezult>itd: that bug seemed to be it. The workaround did the trick for me. thanks.
15:22<itd>vezult: glad it worked. :)
15:23<barteks2x>now I get "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lboost_python3" - I can't find any libboost package that contains python3 in name
15:23<itd>Armin: sorry, but I have no idea who stole your 'CLIENT HELLO' response.
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15:24<itd>barteks2x: you could try libboost-python-dev
15:24<Armin>itd: thanks for all the effort and time you put. at the end, it seems i have a faulty vps provider
15:24<barteks2x>"libboost-python-dev is already the newest version."
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15:25<itd>barteks2x: please uncomment line 75 it start with something like '#PYTHON_INCLUDE'
15:25<itd>barteks2x: sorry, did not see that earlier.
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15:26<barteks2x>still the same
15:27<barteks2x>I use python libraries from anaconda
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15:27<kion>Hello Guys, As a way to lear a bit more about linux, I compiled my custom kernel 4.8, now when I boot it seems that I need to recompile the Nvidia driver, I downloaded the lates from Nvidia should I install that one on my new kernel?
15:27<kion>I meant learn, sorry for the typo
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15:32<divine>hi guys
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15:32<Adri[m]>Hey!
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15:33<barteks2x>I have no idea how to continue from there, google seems very unhelpful here
15:34<barteks2x>I know I need something probablylike libboost-python3-dev, but it doesn't seem to exist
15:34<itd>barteks2x: the last thing I told you was stupid. by uncommenting the line 75 you did set the PYTHON_INCLUDE to a wrong value. so please comment that out as well as the next line (which seems to belong to it).
15:35<barteks2x>I commented it out, no difference
15:35<barteks2x>I myself figured out that since I already set it somewhere above it's not needed to set it there
15:36<barteks2x>unless I need to do "make clean" to see effects
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15:36<itd>barteks2x: good. why is PYTHON_LIBRARIES set?
15:36<barteks2x>because comments said "# Uncomment to use Python 3 (default is Python 2)"
15:38<itd>barteks2x: and you downloaded anaconda with python3? (and edited the path to match your install path?)
15:38<barteks2x>yes, I downloaded and installed anaconda for python 3 and installed it in /opt/anaconda3, then added it to my $PATH
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15:39<barteks2x>...or I didn't, it doesn't seem to be in my PATH
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15:39<itd>barteks2x: I don't think it needs to be in $PATH, but you changed PYTHON_INCLUDE in the Makefile.config
15:39<barteks2x>oh, I have terminal instance running from before I added it to path
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15:40<itd>(but if the anaconda instructions asked you to do that.. :))
15:40<barteks2x>that seemed the most logical thing to do from what these comments said
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15:42<barteks2x>apparently it needed to be in $PATH
15:42<barteks2x>I started it in new terminal instance and the error is different
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15:44<itd>barteks2x: oh? how did it change?
15:44<barteks2x>the error is now ".build_release/lib/libcaffe.so: undefined reference to `std::__throw_out_of_range_fmt(char const*, ...)'"
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15:45<itd>barteks2x: what happens if you say 'make clean' and try it again afterwards?
15:45<barteks2x>that will take a while
15:45<itd>barteks2x: there are probably some files from the old make call that are wrong and will not be rebuild otherwise.
15:46<barteks2x>seeing undefined reference to anything in std seemed weird to me
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15:47<barteks2x>now it exploded with even longer errors
15:47<viam>where is it?
15:48<barteks2x>http://paste.debian.net/858128/
15:48<itd>barteks2x: delightful. thank you for the paste. :)
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15:51<barteks2x>(if it was a kind of sarcasm - I would like to know, I'm really bad at distinguishing it from normal reply, and this leaves me confused)
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15:54<itd>barteks2x: I'm sorry. Yes that was supposed to be some sort of sarcasm. But: It was nice, that you provided the paste that quick! (no sarcasm)
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15:55<barteks2x>I found this, but it may be a completely different issue: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/33239805/libopencv-calib3d-undefined-reference-to-std-throw-out-of-range-fmtchar-co
15:55<itd>barteks2x: from a quick search I would suspect that someone used a newer compiler than the one you have.
15:56<barteks2x>that's what the link I found says...
15:56<itd>barteks2x: yes, I saw that too. :)
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15:56<barteks2x>any way to update on debian stable?
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15:58<itd>barteks2x: not really, I guess. (No gcc in backports.)
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15:58<barteks2x>so, nothing I can do there or is there some solution?
15:58<itd>barteks2x: somehow I distrust anaconda. How important is it for you? Would you mind trying it without it?
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15:59<itd>barteks2x: my suggestion is now:
16:00<barteks2x>as a starting point I wanted to use code from google deep dream, and accordint to what they say using anaconda was one of the eaise rways
16:00<blast007>barteks2x: what does 'gcc -v' say for version? there is both 4.8 and 4.9 in jessie.
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16:01<barteks2x>the last line of output is gcc version 4.9.2 (Debian 4.9.2-10)
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16:01<eze>whats
16:01<eze>no entendo}
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16:02<itd>barteks2x: (make clean, remove anaconda from the config file, enable the python3 section, make)
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16:04<barteks2x>including python libraries?
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16:04<itd>barteks2x: all 3 lines below 'Uncomment to use Python 3 ...'
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16:05<itd>barteks2x: (does that answer your question?)
16:05<Gabriel_7>barteks2x: you're stuck at the first step ? The standard scipy stack ?
16:06<Gabriel_7>hmm no you're at caffee
16:07<bcr>anybody know how to pass a /56 ipv6 gotten automatically on an eth0 interface to a wlan0 interface?
16:07<barteks2x>yes, and compiling it doesn't seem to work very well. I already installed anaconda, now trying to compile caffe without using anaconda in any way
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16:07<Gabriel_7>bcr: what ?
16:07<barteks2x>and there it is... "fatal error: pyconfig.h: No such file or directory"
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16:07<Gabriel_7>barteks2x: so how are you compiling it ?
16:08<bcr>I want a wlan0 interface to have the same /56 prefix as the one automatically assigned to a ppp0 interface or eth0 interface
16:08<bcr>and, ideally, automatically pass that /56 prefix to radvd
16:08<bcr>(if you haven't guessed, I'm trying to roll my own router in Debian)
16:08<barteks2x>that's a bit broad question, I modified Makefile.config to use anaconda forst, now I commented out lines for anaconda and uncommented these for python3
16:09<barteks2x>looks like I have python 3.4 instead of 3.5
16:09<itd>barteks2x: there is no python 3.5 in debian. does it get better if you replace 5 with 4 in the 3 lines? (And do you have libpython3.4-dev installed?)
16:09<barteks2x>^already said exactly that, replacing now
16:10<itd>barteks2x: good. :) (saw it to late)
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16:11<barteks2x>and this again: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lboost_python3
16:12<barteks2x>And I complained that gradle and maven are hard...
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16:14<itd>barteks2x: Does it work for python2 ?
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16:15<barteks2x>uh... so now I need to change the config for python 2
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16:15<itd>barteks2x: please, yes.
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16:16<Gabriel_7>bcr: well if your ppp0 is configures with a /56 that does not necessarily means that the whole /56 it routed to you.
16:16<Gabriel_7>What kind of ppp0 is it?
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16:19<barteks2x>do I need to uncomment these lines after "# NOTE: this is required only if you will compile the python interface."?
16:19<Gabriel_7>The problem is: if you configure the same /56 to both ppp0 and wlan0, how will your kernel know where it should route those packets?
16:19<Gabriel_7>barteks2x: probably :)
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16:20<barteks2x>make finished
16:21<barteks2x>but... what now?
16:21<itd>barteks2x: Cool! (no joke. :))
16:21<itd>barteks2x: you could try to run "make distribute"
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16:22<barteks2x>should I try to use checkinstall?
16:22<itd>barteks2x: "to create a distribute directory with all the Caffe headers, compiled libraries, binaries, etc."
16:22<itd>barteks2x: I don't think you need to. to me it sounds like no systemwide install is attempted.
16:22<itd>barteks2x: to remove it you just have to delete the folder your currently working in.
16:23<barteks2x>that's awesome, seems like it's done
16:25<barteks2x>trying make runtest now
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16:28<bcr>It's a native IPv6 PPPoE connection. And wouldn't it know where to route things based on the full IPv6 address?
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16:29<bcr>The point is that I can't SLAAC downstream nodes without a prefix, which means wlan0 needs a prefix, and I want to use the one automatically assigned by the ISP
16:29<Gabriel_7>Well if your ppp0 is configures with a /56, it is supposed to mean that the addresses in this prefix are to be routed on the ppp0.
16:29<Gabriel_7>Yes but that's the point, are your sure that the whole /56 is routed to you?
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16:30<bcr>Yes it is. The ISP assigned me a prefix
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16:31<Gabriel_7>If you "ip addr add $another_address_in_the_prefix/56 dev ppp0" "ip addr del $the_original_ip_address/56 dev ppp0" can you still communicate on ppp0 (with the new IP address) ?
16:31<barteks2x>now the protobuf thing...
16:31<bcr>And OpenWRT relays the prefix correctly but it seems to use a different IPv6 stack than Debian
16:32<Gabriel_7>bcr: so you cant to configure this on OpenWRT?
16:32<Gabriel_7>*want
16:32<bcr>no. I want to configure it on Debian. I'm saying I got this working before on OpenWRT automagically
16:33<itd>barteks2x: which protobuf thing?
16:33<barteks2x>https://github.com/google/protobuf
16:33<Gabriel_7>bcr: can you paste the current "ip -6 addr" ? (possibly editing the IP addresses if you don't want to show them)
16:34<bcr>inet6 2607:f2c0:a000:16b:e1e3:c62f:ee99:a37e/64 scope global temporary dynamic
16:34<bcr>inet6 2607:f2c0:a000:16b:6087:7783:1275:2264/64 scope global mngtmpaddr dynamic
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16:35<bcr>I mean, the interface will change each time as it's supposed to. I don't care about that. I care about the first /56 bits
16:36<itd>barteks2x: there is a libprotoc9 in the repository...
16:36<barteks2x>really? it's the same thing?
16:36<itd>barteks2x: is there another install instruction you want to complete?
16:36<itd>barteks2x: read: why do you need protobuf?
16:37<itd>barteks2x: as far as I know, yes it is the same.
16:37<Gabriel_7>bcr: do the "16b" change as well?
16:37<Gabriel_7>bcr: what gives "ip -6 route" ?
16:38<bcr>2607:f2c0:a000:16b::/64 dev ppp0 proto kernel metric 256 expires 2591989sec pref medium
16:38<bcr>Yes, I know it says /64 but I have a /56, too.
16:38<bcr>(and the e-mail from the ISP saying that I was assigned both a /64 and a /56)
16:38<Gabriel_7>Are you sure the /56 is the superset of the /64 ?
16:39<Gabriel_7>I guess they're supposed to be distinct.
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16:39<barteks2x>as I said, I wanted to use google deep dream code as a starting point (and using online generators isn't something I want, that's something everyone can do and all I will get form it is a few images), and it requires python scientific stack, caffe and protobuf
16:39<bcr>They are distinct. The /56 and /64 don't resemble one another at all
16:39<bcr>Except, of course, for the super-prefix assigned to the ISP
16:39<Gabriel_7>Did they tell you how you're suppose to get the delegated /56 prefix ? (DHCPv6? static?)
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16:40<Gabriel_7>bcr: Yeah OK, that's normal then. From your explanatin I understood it was not like that (sorry).
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16:41<Gabriel_7>bcr: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/28106/dhcpv6-prefix-delegation-server-for-linux
16:41<itd>barteks2x: didn't know about those requirement. :) Is there a tutorial you're following? If yes, mind sharing it?
16:42<Gabriel_7>"I'm using WIDE DHCPv6 client (dhcp6c) to request a prefix from the "upstream" network; […] [it] automatically assign addresses out of the received prefix to other interfaces."
16:42<barteks2x>https://github.com/google/deepdream/blob/master/dream.ipynb
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16:43<bcr>Thanks. I'll read that in detail. Quick question, though: do I have to set up a DHCPv6 on my Debian gateway/router to propagate the prefix or can I do it purely through RA?
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16:44<bcr>I'd rather have the nodes on my network self-configure through SLAAC, just cuz.
16:45<itd>barteks2x: thanks. python-protobuf sounds more promising then.
16:45<barteks2x>I installed that
16:45<Gabriel_7>I guess you should be able to use RA. You will probably need to write some glue scrit (similar to the script in this answer).
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16:47<Gabriel_7>bcr: Don't your have a static delegated prefix anyway ? It might be simpler to configure the thing statically.
16:47<barteks2x>ok, now I have python2, python3 and anaconda python installed... how can I set the default one?
16:47<barteks2x>since caffe is compiled for python2, I would like python2 as default
16:48<barteks2x>I expected it to use update-alternatives like java but it's not that
16:48<barteks2x>oh, I can run python2 command
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16:49<itd>barteks2x: python should be in /usr/bin/python and link to /usr/bin/python2.7 -> you will use python2 if you ask for python
16:50<Gabriel_7>bcr: in factr, you might juste be able to use 'prefix ::/64 {}' in radvd.conf which "picks one non-link-local prefix assigned to the interface and starts advertising it"
16:50<barteks2x>ok, now I need to figure out how to tell python to import from caffe installation
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16:51<itd>barteks2x: like this? http://stackoverflow.com/a/67692
16:52<barteks2x>I found this, seems easier http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10531359/how-do-i-add-a-python-import-path-permanently
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16:52<Gabriel_7>it might need a restart/reload on radvd when the delegated prefix is assigned to the interface, however
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16:53<itd>barteks2x: I agree
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17:01<bcr>Oh, thanks, Gabriel_7. I didn't know I could do the ::/64. Yeah, as I think about it, I know that the problem is that radvd.conf and wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces look either outwards or statically for the prefix. What I'm trying to do is tell them that ppp0 has a perfectly good prefix they can use
17:01<bcr>which I know isn't what RA was designed for
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17:05<Gabriel_7>well http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/28106/dhcpv6-prefix-delegation-server-for-linux explains that dhcp6c can fetch the delegated prefix announced on ppp0 and assign it to other interfaces
17:05<Gabriel_7>which is what you want
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17:06<Gabriel_7>bcr: https://www.ipcalypse.ca/?p=204
17:07<Gabriel_7>That's exactly whay you want to do.
17:07<Gabriel_7>Ther's event the ::64 stuff I talked about.
17:07<Gabriel_7>Some hackish stuff in there however (messing with the init numbers...)
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17:11<bcr>Thanks. Do init numbers still matter in systemd?
17:12<bcr>If so, maybe I'll write an up script for the interfaces file
17:12<barteks2x>that doesn't seem good: <IPython.core.display.Image at 0x7fd7073a49d0>
17:12<barteks2x>is it a crash or normal message?
17:13<barteks2x>the fact that the number looks like memory address here and that it's the last line of output seems to suggest it's a crash
17:13<itd>barteks2x: (Not an expert for python.) That looks like a representation of a IPython.core.display.Image object.
17:14<itd>barteks2x: For a crash there is an "Error" or similar missing. ;)
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17:19<barteks2x>seems like this line does something stupid: display(Image(data=f.getvalue())), but I'm not good enough at python to figure out what
17:20<mohamedhany>hi
17:20<bremner>barteks2x: if you have generic python questions #python on freenode. Otherwise probably ask the authors.
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18:10<xpl0r3>hello world
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18:13<musca>hey xpl0r3
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18:16<xpl0r3>join #debianhey musca whats up?
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18:18<aleksey>help install web server
18:18<xpl0r3>linux?
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18:18<aleksey>domen name help plaes
18:19<aleksey>debian
18:19<aleksey>8
18:19<xpl0r3>how far are ya?
18:20<xpl0r3>apache installed?
18:20<aleksey>/etc/apache2/
18:20<aleksey>|-- apache2.conf
18:20<aleksey>| `-- ports.conf
18:20<aleksey>|-- mods-enabled
18:20<aleksey>| |-- *.load
18:20<aleksey>| `-- *.conf
18:20<aleksey>|-- conf-enabled
18:20<aleksey>| `-- *.conf
18:20<aleksey>|-- sites-enabled
18:20<aleksey>| `-- *.conf
18:21<itd>aleksey: stop! use: paste.debian.net :)
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18:34<aleksey>help dolphin root open
18:34<aleksey>&
18:34<aleksey>7
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18:35<xpl0r3>type as root: /usr/sbin/apachectl restart
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18:36<aleksey>ip and domen help
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18:37<aleksey>!ru
18:37<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
18:37<aleksey>всем привет
18:37<aleksey>яновичек
18:37<xpl0r3>check with browser connect to server ip, if apache page appears
18:38<aleksey>5.8.213.140
18:39<xpl0r3>works dude ;)
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18:40<aleksey>domen name help all
18:41<xpl0r3>What web application shall run on it?
18:42<aleksey>no
18:42<aleksey>worldpress
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18:42<xpl0r3>Domain name? You need to register a domain name at a isp
18:43<xpl0r3>wordpress? so you need MySQL and PHP also installed on the web server
18:43<xpl0r3>!!! :)
18:43<aleksey>free name my domen domen.local
18:43<aleksey>zone local
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18:48<xpl0r3>oh I am out of element regarding that maybe some hack at the /etc/network/interfaces file
18:50<aleksey>debian free software
18:50<aleksey>&
18:50<xpl0r3>oh there is a easy way to install PHP, MySQL and Apache install -> xampp
18:51<aleksey>virus
18:51<xpl0r3>xampp? virus?
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18:54<xpl0r3>however if xampp will not the case : apt-get install / mysql and php .... not sure about the package name just look for
18:54<xpl0r3>php5
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19:03<itd>aleksey: https://wiki.debian.org/ru/LaMp ?
19:04<xpl0r3>to run wordpress you need to create a database, download wordpress and run/open the /wp-admin/install.php
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19:04<itd>also: https://wiki.debian.org/WordPress but that is a bit old
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19:06<xpl0r3>https://wiki.debian.org/ru/LaMp -> yes thats it, why is the page in cyrillic letters?
19:06<xpl0r3>ah I got it ../ru/..
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19:08<xpl0r3>looks like a guide ... follow it if possible
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20:03<Jennif>Hey!
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20:03<Jenni>IDENTIFY
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20:04<Guest1445>Hey!
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20:23<hello>Where to find fundamental of linux
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20:23<jmcnaught>!fundamentals
20:23<dpkg>You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/ Then, read the Debian Reference at https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/
20:24<itd>wow, nice :)
20:24<jmcnaught>the debian-reference is available as a package. so can debian-handbook. Some other great free books at https://www.debian.org/doc/ too
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20:25<jmcnaught>^can^is
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20:26<itd>jmcnaught: thank you. :)
20:26<jmcnaught>itd: cheers :)
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21:08<aleksey>хуесосы пля все тут
21:08<aleksey>домены начали продавать а сайт сузе незнают )
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21:10<jmcnaught>!ru
21:10<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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21:24<itd>oh my, aleksey is mad. ;/
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21:51<nicolas17>hi
21:52<nicolas17>how can I make a Debian system update package lists regularly, and email if package upgrades are available? I was looking at unattended-upgrade but it seems to be all about *installing* the upgrades automatically
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21:55<root_>hi
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21:59<uondaime>'-'
21:59<uondaime>alguém
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21:59<uondaime>?
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21:59<nicolas17>!pt
21:59<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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23:24<hewl>My Debian stable machine is booting into emergency mode after a reboot after update-grub.
23:25<hewl>Would this have anything to do with setting #GRUB_MODE=console to be uncommented in the default grub settings?
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