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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-10-12

---Logopened Wed Oct 12 00:00:56 2016
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00:17-!-TomasBeHere is "Unknown" on #linode #tor #debian-mentors #ooni
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00:50<carla9>hey guys.. i'm attempting to run a remote viewing programming (similar to teamviewer) called anydesk. The issue is that whenever I attempt to run it, i receive the following error: 'Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":1.0"'
00:50<carla9>Anyone have any idea ;o
00:51<jm_>that is usually just a warning, besides, if it's not something provided by debian you have to ask whoever supports that
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00:52<carla9>jm_: Perhaps there is a log somewhere? I didn't see anything in /var/log
00:53<jm_>carla9: sorry, no idea - we only support and discuss what debian provides in #debian, so like I said, you'll have to find some other place to ask
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00:57<carla9>ok thanks
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03:18<aji>hi
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03:51<umlaeute>does popcon collect arch-specific information as well?
03:51<umlaeute>and is it accessible?
03:52<umlaeute>i mean: can i ask it, how many times a package has been installed on arch:foo
03:53<umlaeute>(modulo the question whether the "how many times BAR has been installed" is meaningful for popcon anyhow)
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05:11<themill>umlaeute: not that I know of. Quite a lot of that info gets lots in the consolidation step. We know the distribution of archs for installation but not for any individual package
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05:18<umlaeute>themill: thx
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05:23<fmmarques>Hello all. I've run into a situation with graphics support; I'm running Jessie, and I've recently installed Radeon HD 7950 for heterogeneous development. So i went about installing the fglrx-driver package and KDE as seen in (1). The fglrx-driver blacklisted the radeon driver, and I don't seem to have any of them controlling the board. Could anyone help me out?
05:23<fmmarques>(1): https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Debian_8_.22Jessie.22
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05:36<somiaj>fmmarques: did you modify your xorg.conf to tell X to use the non-free driver (it wont detect it automatically like the free radeon driver)
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05:40<fmmarques>somiaj: actually I was checking it out now... I found that "aticonfig --initial" would create a xorg.conf file for me. But, the header was of nvidia-xconfig (the previous graphics card). I had to manually remove the file and run "aticonfig --initial" because the command does not create a new file but instead manipulates the existing one...
05:40<fmmarques>Thanks for that feedback.
05:41<somiaj>fmmarques: I would just follow the wiki and only include the lines needed to use the fglrx driver. https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#configure
05:42<somiaj>fmmarques: aticonfig may make an outdated config file that could conflict with other autodetection when all is needed in a modern xorg is those four lines for the non-free driver
05:46<fmmarques>somiaj: Oh, I see. Thanks a lot. Actually I noticed right now that there is a note telling the exact thing... Not sure how I missed it. thank you very much.
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05:53<somiaj>!ask
05:53<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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07:03<fmmarques>Hello again! I have a ongoing problem I cannot seem to solve. I am installing a ATI Radeon SAPPHIRE HD 7950 for OpenCL development in Debian "Jessie". I've already installed the fglrx-driver package and with the help of somiaj I've corrected the xorg.conf file -- I've already attempted several setups, with 0 xorg.conf file, the simple 4 line present in the documentation, and a xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf file. The system still does not load the
07:03<fmmarques>fglrx driver. The driver is not blacklisted, and both glxinfo and clinfo fail with badrequests. clinfo fails without loading the fglrx driver, with "No such device". Could anyone help me?
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07:06<jm_>which driver does X end up using then?
07:06<jm_>!which video driver
07:06<dpkg>To show the video driver used by your X server «egrep 'Load.*mod.*driv|UnloadModule' /var/log/Xorg.0.log». Also ask me about <fglrx>, <nvidia>, <which driver>, <nodriver>, <judd-hardware>.
07:07<fmmarques>[ 18.751] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so
07:07<jm_>your egrep command only returns that?
07:08<fmmarques>Yeah. Should it return more?
07:09<Brigo>fmmarques, does your X work?
07:09<jm_>so it loads fglrx driver then
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07:09<fmmarques>Brigo, I'm using KDE right now, yes.
07:10<Brigo>fglrx running without 3d acceleration? :-m
07:10<fmmarques>jm_, but, shouldn't I be able to list fglrx module with a "lsmod" ?
07:12<jm_>fmmarques: so I never used ATI/fglrx, but fglrx-driver recommends fglrx-modules-dkms - does it build OK?
07:12<fmmarques>Also, a "lspci -nnk" shouldn't bring the kernel?
07:12<fmmarques>*kernel module associated with the card?
07:12<jm_>that only works if driver is loaded
07:13<fmmarques>jm_, well I manually checked the dkms instalation. It says
07:13<fmmarques>sudo dkms install -m fglrx -v 15.9
07:13<fmmarques>Module fglrx/15.9 already installed on kernel 3.16.0-4-amd64/x86_64
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07:15<jm_>fmmarques: so you do have the fglrx kernel module in /lib/modules/$(uname -r) somewhere?
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07:17<fmmarques>I have a kernel object: /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/updates/dkms/fglrx.ko
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07:18<jm_>what happens if you modprobe it?
07:20<fmmarques>I am unfamiliar with modprobe ... 'sudo modprobe fglrx' gives "modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'fglrx': No such device"
07:21<jm_>check if driver gives you more clues - dmesg
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07:24<fmmarques>Nothing in dmesg...
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07:25<Brigo>are you sure there is such driver in your running kernel?
07:25<jm_>then the only advice I have is to try using the version from bpo
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07:28<fmmarques>Brigo I've installed it with "apt-get install fglrx-drivers", checked that the .ko file exists...
07:28<fmmarques>I do have lines like "/var/log/Xorg.4.log:[ 30.342] (WW) fglrx(0): * kernel module (fglrx.ko) may be missing or incompatible *"
07:29<jm_>yes due to no such device it doesn't load, probably doesn't support your hardware or whatever, that's why I said try the bpo one
07:30<Brigo>fmmarques, i agree with jm_
07:30<fmmarques>jm_ ok, I'll try it. Thanks jm
07:30<fmmarques>*jm_
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07:31<jm_>no problem
07:33<fmmarques>Thanks also Brigo. =)
07:33<Brigo>fmmarques, np, good luck
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10:01<Hinex>I mean ddos protection
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10:47<p0t0>can i ask you a question about intel atoms ? because nobody talk in intel irc channel
10:48<csnxs>the last intel i used was a pentium 4 sooo
10:48<p0t0>well is about ram limitation
10:49<p0t0>i was so impressed about the kernel 4.1 that droped the cpu temperature with 3 lines of codes
10:50<DigitalFrontier>Can someone answer a question? Why at first times that I use debian if I modify a script and reexecute it it acts correctly and now suddenly with a modified script it works as it's the previous script?
10:50<p0t0>so i might think that if the ram limitation of 2 gigas is not physicly impossible i guess
10:50<DigitalFrontier>It's like the command line doesn't recognizes the changes at the srcipt.
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10:52<p0t0>is bash or python ? did you were in sudo or root ?
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10:53<DigitalFrontier>p0t0: Are you talking to me?
10:54<p0t0>yes
10:54<DigitalFrontier>bash.
10:54<DigitalFrontier>p0t0: ^
10:55<DigitalFrontier>And I'm not in sudo or su.
10:55<p0t0>try to be root and use vi or vim or nano ?
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10:58<duclicsic>DigitalFrontier: what is the script, how have you modified it, and how are you executing it?
10:58<DigitalFrontier>p0t0: I tried to using nano instead of gedit and it seems that the script was updated with the changes that I make with gedit, but the command line seems to treating him like nothing happened.
10:59<DigitalFrontier>duclicsic: I edited it through gedit and executed it with "./myscript" on terminal.
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11:00<p0t0>try to run sudo before editing or be su
11:00<duclicsic>mp
11:00<duclicsic>no don't do that
11:00<mots>You are running the correct script, right? Almost sounds like you're trying to run an older backup^^
11:01<DigitalFrontier>mots: I'm running the correct script.
11:01<duclicsic>DigitalFrontier: i was thinking maybe you were editing a file in your working directory but then executing something with the same name from your PATH, but if you're executing it as "./script" it should definitely workl
11:01<DigitalFrontier>p0t0: Why this should change anything?
11:01<duclicsic>DigitalFrontier: it doesn't change anything
11:01<duclicsic>if your current user has write permissions then editing it as root does nothing
11:02<duclicsic>if you didn't have write permissions you'd get an error when trying to save it
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11:02<bremner>agreed, generally "switch to root" is not a good problem solving strategy
11:02<DigitalFrontier>duclicsic: It seems pretty odd.
11:02<bremner>well, look at the file. Do you see your changes?
11:03<duclicsic>what does this script to? can we see it?
11:03<bremner>use e.g. more
11:03<duclicsic>s/to/do/
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11:03<DigitalFrontier>bremner: Yes. But the command line treat the file like nothing happened.
11:05<duclicsic>what are you expecting to change?
11:05<duclicsic>as in what did you change in the script that isn't happening?
11:06<DigitalFrontier>duclicsic: Yes.
11:06<duclicsic>that wasn't a yes/no question..
11:06<bremner>DigitalFrontier: I'd guess there is something about bash scripting you are misunderstanding. As I've said in the past, #bash on freenode exists to teach people bash scripting.
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11:07<DigitalFrontier>bremner: True. I found the problem and now I'm feeling pretty stupid.
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11:09<metachr0n>hi everyone ... what is the prefered debian way to handle an iptables firewall these days?
11:11<p0t0>i dunno i use the anonsurf script
11:11<d3nny>metachr0n, using iptables itself or a software which can handle it for you like shorewall or ufw
11:11<TotallyNotKim_>metachr0n: scripts or ufw for simple tasks for example
11:11<metachr0n>i have used my own iptables script, ufw, and shorewall on various machines at different times
11:11<TotallyNotKim_>we use fwbuilder
11:12<metachr0n>yes that was the questions ... what is prefered in a production environment
11:12<jrms>metachr0n: iptables-persistent ?
11:12<metachr0n>i know shorewall and ufw are just front-ends
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11:12<metachr0n>jrms: cool
11:13<metachr0n>the only advantage i can think of for shorewall is preventing accidentally forgetting something
11:13<metachr0n>but if you keep your script in git or something ... shouldn't be an issue
11:14<metachr0n>ok thanks for the answers ... implemented
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11:14<TotallyNotKim>So I'm trying to run e2fsck -fy, however I get a error which asks to Abort which I don't want to. However -y is answering yes. As expected. Is there a way around? No once yes all the other times?
11:15<DigitalFrontier>I want a zenity file selection dialog who recognize script files by mimetype and not by extension. Something who can help?
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11:17<TotallyNotKim>wouldn't one detect scrips by shebang?
11:18<TotallyNotKim>nvm didnt read zenity
11:19<DigitalFrontier>TotallyNotKim: What?
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11:20<TotallyNotKim>DigitalFrontier: Shebang? eg #!/bin/bash
11:21<jrms>DigitalFrontier: file -i
11:21<retrospectacus>DigitalFrontier: the "file" command will tell you what kind of file it is
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11:22<DigitalFrontier>So I should give to file -i the zenity file selection output, right?
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11:26<duclicsic>metachr0n: disregard the advice to use scripts for configuring iptables, you should store your rules in iptables-save format and use iptables-restore to load them
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11:26<duclicsic>it's ok to run iptables-restore from a script though i guess
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11:27<duclicsic>if you just want them to load at boot, install iptables-persistent
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11:38<fmmarques>Hi all! I've discovered some minor errors in postrm scripts of nvidia packages. How/Where can I report this?
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11:41<Brigo>fmmarques, https://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers.html
11:41<Brigo>fmmarques, that's the packages tracker, there you can find the information.
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12:09<petn-randall>fmmarques: Is the package from the Debian repos?
12:09<dozer>trying to install debian in numorous ways - but keep getting blank screen randomly during installation... HELP!?
12:11<petn-randall>dozer: How are you preparing the installation image?
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12:12<fmmarques>Brigo: Thanks for the link. I'm writting the report now.
12:12<fmmarques>petn-randall: sure.
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12:12<petn-randall>fmmarques: Then you can run 'reportbug' and it will guide you through the bug filing procedure.
12:12<dozer>tried both usb and cd/dvd
12:13<dozer>yep, all via debian.org
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12:14<petn-randall>dozer: Yes, but what commands are you using to get it onto USB?
12:14<petn-randall>dozer: Which installation image did you pick?
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12:17<petn-randall>dozer: Pleas don't PM me; check the /topic.
12:18<dozer>ok, sorry
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12:19<dozer>petn-randall: tried dd and cp for usb and xorriso for cd/dvd
12:19<petn-randall>dozer: What kind of PC is this?
12:20<petn-randall>as in make/model
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12:21<dozer>petn-randall: tried debian 6,7,8 and testing. Dell Precision T1700. It had a corrupt debian on it from before. also installing ubuntu from full cd works just fine, but not minimal ubuntu. suspecting maybe the debian installer is buggy..
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12:23<petn-randall>dozer: Did you check the RAM for corruption yet?
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12:23<dozer>petn-randall: no, didn't suspect that since ubuntu worked straight away
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12:24<technoid_>firmware possibly?
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12:25<dozer>technoid: also tried this firmware image from debian.org
12:25<dozer>technoid: which supposedly had extra firmware with it
12:25<petn-randall>dozer: I'd expect a workstation released in 2013 to work out of the box. To be sure, check the release notes of jessie if there are any documented problems. Could also be the AMD graphics, though I'd expect it to work stable, though.
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12:26<dozer>petn-randall: me too. couldn't really find anything - but I'll double check. tried installing with vesa and vga=normal and fb=false (nomodeset also)
12:28<petn-randall>dozer: Hmm, also check if it has a watchdog setting in the BIOS. I had a case where that caused the machine to turn off after 5 minutes.
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12:28<dozer>petn-randall: what strikes me is the randomness of it all - not really a pattern on when it fails - however install vga=normal fb=false gets me longer in the process
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12:28<dozer>petn-randall: nice tip - I'll check that too
12:29<dozer>petn-randall: though; shouldn't this interrupted the ubuntu install as well?
12:29<petn-randall>dozer: maybe the ubuntu installer has a proper watchdog driver in the kernel, and Debian doesn't. I never looked it up, just turned it off during installation.
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12:30<dozer>petn-randall: maybe.. the ubuntu minimall install image behaved the same way as for the debian installs - something shared there perhaps..?
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12:31<petn-randall>dozer: Could be. Check it, and let me know if that fixed it for you.
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12:31<dozer>petn-randall: what's weird is that it's been running debian before - so why the h*ll can't I reinstall it??
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12:31<dozer>petn-randall: Sure - thanks for the help!
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12:34<Echoz>dozer: Weird that you'd have a problem with Debian on a Dell computer. We have only Dell computers at work and I use Debian live (without X) very often to recover data among other things
12:36*petn-randall bets on a watchdog timer.
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12:38<technoid_>Didn't Jimmy Hendrix do a song about that?
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12:49<santech>ciao
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12:52<santech>ciao
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12:56<DigitalFrontier>If I want to extract a single string from a command output what I should use after "command | grep"?
12:56<DigitalFrontier>*what should I write.
12:57<santech>!list
12:57<dpkg>santech: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
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12:58<santech>ciao a tutti
12:58<santech>!list
12:58<dpkg>santech: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.6.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
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12:59<petn-randall>DigitalFrontier: check the -o option of grep
12:59<santech>ciao
13:00<santech>!list
13:00<dpkg>santech: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.6.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
13:00<petn-randall>santech: Do you need help with Debian?
13:00<csnxs>o.O
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13:05<DigitalFrontier>petn-randall: command | grep -o 'part of command output that I want' does something?
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13:12<DigitalFrontier>petn-randall: ^
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13:26<mtndew>I've never tried to do this before, so I don't know, and I don't really want to, but is it possible to change debian system arch live? Ie, change a 32bit to a 64bit without a reformat and just doing in place upgrades of everything?
13:26<mtndew>even if you go multiarch and add the foreign arch of amd64, it would still be the foreign arch
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13:27<mtndew>is it actually possible though to do the whole system?
13:30<mtn>mtndew: maybe, but not worth the trouble. if you want amd64, just reinstall
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13:33<mtndew>https://wiki.debian.org/CrossGrading
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13:33<mtndew>mtn: I agree, but I can't talk my boss out of it
13:33<mtn>mtndew: ok, good luck!
13:34<mtndew>I'm expecting failures along the way and fallout after the fact
13:34<mtndew>I mean, I trust debian for the most part, but any OS doing an in place from 32->64 I would have doubts about
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13:39<missmbob>your boss is an idiot. just thought i'd throw it out there
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13:51<petn-randall>DigitalFrontier: Try it and see.
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14:09<DigitalFrontier>petn-randall:nothing happens
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14:24<DigitalFrontier>petn-ranadall: Problem finded. Thx.
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14:51<metachr0n>duclicsic: thanks
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15:23<DigitalFrontier>My script has a problem. I typed:
15:23<DigitalFrontier>shred -f "$FILEPATH" && zenity --info --text="$INFO2" || zenity --info --text="$ERROR3"
15:24<DigitalFrontier>It says: shred: not found
15:24<DigitalFrontier>zenity: not found
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15:25<DigitalFrontier>But they're installed and working. ._.
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15:33<blast007>DigitalFrontier: are you doing something to your script so that /usr/bin/ isn't part of $PATH ? do those commands run correctly from the terminal directly?
15:33<FatalError401>blast007: I try
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15:37<FatalError401>blast007: This is what happens if I try on terminal after setting the variable:
15:37<FatalError401>shred -f "$FILEPATH" && zenity --info --text="Done" || zenity --info --text="Failed"
15:37<FatalError401>Gtk-Message: GtkDialog mapped without a transient parent. This is discouraged.
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15:38<FatalError401>And all works
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15:41<yang>i replaced init.d with systemd , now getting troubles rebooting the system. also when doing "df" it only shows the root partition nothng else...? http://paste.debian.net/plain/869875
15:42<DigitalFrontier>yang: I read somewhere that systemd is pretty unstable, but I don't know much that can help you.
15:43<yang>*sigh*
15:45<blast007>yang: when you say "replaced init.d with systemd", what did you do exactly?
15:45<yang>well
15:45<kenyon>yang: what version of debian
15:46<yang>https://wiki.debian.org/systemd -> aptitude install systemd systemd-sysv -> reboot
15:46<yang>jessie
15:46<kenyon>systemd is the default on jessie
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15:47<yang>seems like i had init.d before
15:47<kenyon>what do you mean by "init."
15:47<kenyon>what do you mean by "init.d"
15:48<yang>sysv-init
15:48<kenyon>N: Unable to locate package sysv-init
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15:51<DigitalFrontier>blast007: So?
15:51<yang>kenyon: sysv....
15:51<Echoz>I'm trying to install Debian on a computer here, and for convenience set up raid1 during the installation, however when I try to set up a new software RAID volume it does not show my two hard drives, nor does it allow me to select "Use as: physical volume for RAID"
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15:53<kenyon>Echoz: this is during the debian installation still?
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15:54<Echoz>kenyon: Yeah, otherwise I'd just do it the normal way
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15:57<Echoz>I'll just reboot and remove the partition tables so this can get it right
15:58<blast007>Echoz: you're not able to create a partition on either drive?
15:58<Echoz>No, just change the file system on the single partition that's there. It's possible the drives were previously formatted directly as ext4. I'll recreate the partition table now
15:59<blast007>DigitalFrontier: hard to say without seeing the script
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16:00<Echoz>ah damn, i formatted the usb drive for the OS that was containing a live image. and somehow the netinstall is lacking fdisk, haha
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16:01<Echoz>just gonna burn a new CD with the live image...
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16:05<DigitalFrontier>blast007: can I pm you?
16:06<yang>kenyon: you never heard of sysvinit ?
16:06<kenyon>yang: yes, I'm just trying to figure out what you're doing, since jessie should have had systemd already
16:08<yang>I ws upgrading from previous releases
16:08<yang>and I guess I kept sysvinit
16:09<kenyon>it's ok if sysvinit is still installed. that's how my system is, and systemd is also installed and used by default
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16:09<kenyon>I also upgraded to jessie from pervious releases
16:11<Echoz>DigitalFrontier: you can use a pastebin
16:11<yang>"sysvinit" is still installed
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16:12<DigitalFrontier>Echoz: I know, but I prefer this way.
16:12<yang>kenyon: if you're interested in helping I am gonna ask further on #debian-systemd you are welcome to join there
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16:16<Xylon>hey guys
16:16<Xylon>my computer just beeped for no reason
16:16<Xylon>is there a log of all beeps and where they came from?
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16:18<Xylon>would be good if there was /var/log/beep.log
16:18<Xylon>with a little explanation on the time, source and meaning of each beep
16:19<Xylon>for all I know it could be that someone SSH into the machine and ran 'beep' command
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16:21<eck>good thinking Xylon
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16:23<Echoz>Xylon: that would fill your HDD if you fell asleep on the backspace key
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16:26<Xylon>Echoz: hey this is a serious issue, stop making a joke out of it!
16:30<Echoz>blast007: kenyon: I remade a gpt partition table with a single partition of type Linux RAID and now it worked, must have been some stupid attempt at making the partitioner easier to use getting in my way
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16:51<DigitalFrontier>blast007: so?
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17:02<blast007>DigitalFrontier: if you can't share the script, just look through it to see what might be making it unable to find binaries in /usr/bin/
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17:03<Ippolo>hello, I have a question
17:03<Ippolo>when I install an application it usually puts a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications
17:05<Ippolo>but where can I find the icon path of the application?
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17:05<Ippolo>for example the chromium.desktop file says: Icon=chromium.png
17:05<Ippolo>but where to find chromium.png??
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17:17<user__>Hi! Кто-нибудь говорит по-русски?
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17:23<user__>why by command "lsb_release -a" I see not Debian? Trisquel. Earlier I had it
17:25<Echoz>user__: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to https://echoz.rocks/paste/
17:25*zykotick9 has "lsb_release -a" on jessie
17:25<Echoz>user__: it might be you created a frankendebian and somehow got packages from another distro
17:26<Echoz>also
17:26<Echoz>!ru
17:26<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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17:27<Echoz>I have a potentially interesting question, when I created my mdadm RAID1 in the debian installer the FS defaulted to ntfs, is this common or just something that happened to me
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17:30<Brigo>Echoz, i hope, with all my heart, it was a weird bug. :)
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17:33<missmbob>Echoz: no...never seen that. ever
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18:01<DigitalFrontier>Can someone answer me? In a script a command that should definitely work fail to execute; it says "shred: not found, zenity; not found"
18:03<retrospectacus>put PATH=/path/where/those/are at the top
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18:04<retrospectacus>or, use the full path as the executable. /usr/bin/shred -f ...
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18:05<missmbob>DigitalFrontier: dash does weird things. make sure you have a bash shebang
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18:09<DigitalFrontier>missmbob: It does it even writing #!/bin/bash
18:10<missmbob>DigitalFrontier: pastebinit
18:11<DigitalFrontier>missmbob: Sure, but I give you the link in private.
18:11<DigitalFrontier>Okay?
18:12<DigitalFrontier>!pastr
18:12<DigitalFrontier>!paste
18:12<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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18:18<DigitalFrontier>missmbob: I private messaged you now. I hope the code remains private. ;)
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18:21<Echoz>Brigo: missmbob: it's weird. these drives have never been used in windows ever
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18:40<jean_>humm quiet! subject is for fall or existentialism
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19:33<aussyloco>ne1 using sparkylinux?
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20:41<Ouroboros>i am confused why there are differences between 'apt-get source linux-image-2.6' and 'apt-get install linux-source-2.6.32", and i mean real differences in the source, not just packaging stuff
20:41<Ouroboros>package version appears to be identical
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20:43<sney>linux-image-2.6 is a metapackage that will install whatever the latest 2.6.x kernel candidate is
20:44<Ouroboros>yes, for some reason 'apt-get source' uses that even when you enter the specific image
20:44<Ouroboros>but, it retrieved the same version source
20:44<sney>2.6.32 *is* the last stable 2.6.x that existed in debian
20:44<sney>since 3.0 was the replacement for 2.6.40
20:45<somiaj>Ouroboros: a source package is different than a binary package.
20:45<somiaj>Ouroboros: one difference (provided you are getting the actual source and not just the source for the metapackage) is a debian source package will contain the original upstream source along with the debian patches and a full debian/ dir that is used to create the packges.
20:46<Ouroboros>to clarify, i have installed linux-source-2.6.32 (version 2.6.32-48squeeze20), and 'apt-get source linux-image-2.6" downloaded linux-2.6_2.6.32-48squeeze20.diff.gz
20:46<somiaj>Ouroboros: the linux-source-2.6.32 package is a binary package that contains the kernel source with all debian patches applied (and may not also include the debian/ used in the source packageS)
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20:47<somiaj>Ouroboros: so the difference is how the patches applied and all the other info that may come in the debian/ dir that is used to build the all of the different packages from the linux source.
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20:49<Ouroboros>wait, in the 'apt-get source' package, are the patches in debian/ not yet applied?
20:49<somiaj>Ouroboros: I belive they are not applied and are applied at build time (I could be mistaken here)
20:50<Ouroboros>ok, let me investigate that
20:50<somiaj>Ouroboros: but there is other info in debian/ that a source package will have to build all the different packages from the linux source package.
20:50<somiaj>Ouroboros: when I use a source package and run 'quilt unapplied' in the main directory, it says none of them are applied and I have to then apply them with quilt if I want to edit the source.
20:50<Ouroboros>i should be using the linux-source- package, correct?
20:51<somiaj>Ouroboros: it depends on what you are doing. the linux-source binary package is probably prefered if you just want the kernel source + debian patches and want to build your kernel using traditional kernel building methods.
20:51<somiaj>Ouroboros: the source pacakge for the linux kernel is if you want to build the whole collection of debian packages.
20:51<Ouroboros>right, just building a kernel with custom config
20:51<pdo_fn14>So, how to fix caja-multiple screen when boots?.
20:51<somiaj>Ouroboros: I'd just use the binary linux-source for this (this is the same as downlaoding the source from kernel.org and applying the debian specific patches to it)
20:52<Ouroboros>right
20:52<Ouroboros>i just wanted to see what the package infrastructure differences were, but i was surprised by the source differences :)
20:53<somiaj>Ouroboros: yea, the difference is the tools/configs/etc to build the debian packages vs just having the pathced source code. (:
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21:23<Ouroboros>somiaj: are you supposed to process all the files in debian/patches/series one by one?
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21:23<somiaj>Ouroboros: no, when you run dpkg-buildpackage it will apply them during the build process
21:23<Ouroboros>there is no easy way to apply them before building?
21:24<somiaj>you can use quilt to apply the whole series. Any reason you need them applied before building?
21:24<somiaj>if you need them applied before building just use the linux-source binary package you mentioned eariler. They have all been applied
21:25<Ouroboros>well, yeah, i just want to diff everything again for sanity :P
21:25<Ouroboros>quilt is not cooperating for some reason
21:26<somiaj>Ouroboros: quilt push -a
21:27<somiaj>you should read the wiki and seting up your quiltrc that may be your issue
21:27<Ouroboros>yeah
21:27<somiaj>https://wiki.debian.org/UsingQuilt
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21:32<Ouroboros>now i really broke something, hold on
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21:36<Ouroboros>somiaj: well, it says "debian/patches/series: Is a directory"
21:37<Ouroboros>and if i try to run a specific file in series/, it complains about +
21:37<Ouroboros>(not really familiar with quilt, probably doing something horribly wrong)
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21:38<somiaj>Ouroboros: I'm not use to series being a directory. But I haven't messed with the debian kernel source packages either.
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21:39<Ouroboros>yeah, i think it needs to bre preprocessed before passing to quilt
21:39<Ouroboros>maybe i will just run the build
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21:49<Ouroboros>oh
21:49<Ouroboros>there is debian/README.source :P
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21:50<Ouroboros>and a bunch of stuff in debian/bin for managing the patch tree
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21:51<sney>!kernel handbook
21:51<dpkg>The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source.
21:51<sney>there is probably some relevant stuff here, so you don't reinvent the wheel
21:52<Ouroboros>yeah i am looking at that too
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21:56<awal1>A basic question: What is the difference between the regular google search engine and the google engine used by firefox? technical side I mean
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21:58<awal1>if I use chromium, no pop up stuff about downloading chrome/recommendation to use google search engine; when using firefox+google I get a few pop up windows recommending the use of google search engine and suggesting download chrome :( Annoying pop ups
21:59<jmcnaught>awal1: google is doing that based on your useragent (and probably other methods of identifying your browser)
22:01<Ouroboros>how am i getting "No space left on device" when df says its at 49% :(
22:01<awal1>jmcnaught, for sure it identify the browser but what I wanted to understand is why those pop ups appear specifically when choosing google as default search engine in firefox and using it
22:02<jmcnaught>awal1: it's something you'd have to ask google about. you could try and figure it out on your own using developer tools (F12 in both browsers)
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22:03<awal1>jmcnaught, ok, will check dev tools and check if there is useful info.
22:04<awal1>I switched to duckduckgo but sadly goole gives more search results
22:05<Ouroboros>i switched to DDG and lived happily ever after
22:05<Ouroboros>no more having to fix google updating the ui every few months, everything just works now
22:07<awal1>DDG gives really much less results when searching stuff outside of Europe/USA, sadly
22:07<sney> <Ouroboros> how am i getting "No space left on device" when df says its at 49% :( <- inodes? or is it reporting for something else like /tmp
22:08<Ouroboros>sney: i think it has something to do with the fact that it ran out of space before i resized tmpfs
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22:08<Ouroboros>so now something is corrupted, i will just reboot
22:09<Ouroboros>awal1: searching for stuff outside or searching from outside
22:11<awal1>Ouroboros, I meant searching stuff related to non usa/europe affairs (politic, economy, news, history...)
22:11<awal1>bad english here, sorry
22:11<Ouroboros>not sure why that would be
22:11<Ouroboros>one thing i really disliked about google is that it localized the search results
22:11<Ouroboros>not an issue with DDG anymore
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22:14<awal1>google= 0 privacy, for sure
22:15<awal1>even more when using a static ip
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23:19<Ouroboros>sney: oh, it was inodes
23:20<Ouroboros>now how do i increase it :(
23:20<Ouroboros>nm, found it
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23:53<Ouroboros>somiaj: ok, so after 'make -f debian/rules source-all' a bunch of source trees are generated in debian/build, which are all (in this case) identical to the contents of linux-source-* package
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23:54<Ouroboros>now i am just not sure why i spent time on this :P
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