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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-10-15

---Logopened Sat Oct 15 00:00:00 2016
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00:00-!-kratos is "realname" on #debian
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00:07-!-txgvnn is "txgvnn" on #debian-hurd @#debian-vn #debian
00:07-!-kratos is now known as janus
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00:19-!-Scaniatrucker is "Mindaugas Celiesius" on #debian
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00:43-!-zz_mactimes is "mactimes" on #debian-xen #debian-qa #debian-owncloud #debian
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00:52-!-pavlushka is "Pavel Sayekat" on #linode #alioth #debian #debian-mozilla #debian-offtopic #debian-printing #OpenBSD #oftc #debconf16-menzies-9 #debconf16-menzies-12 #debconf16-menzies-10 #debconf
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00:58-!-rbern is "rbern" on #virtualization #debian #debian-blends #debian-arm #debian-apt #debian-systemd #debian-next #debian-mozilla #debian-mentors #debian-live #reproducible-builds #lxde #ikiwiki #debian-ubuntu
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01:07-!-smulverine is "Stephane Duchesne" on #debian
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01:17-!-yoh_ is "Yaroslav Halchenko" on #datalad #debian #debian-med #debian-science #neurodebian
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02:49-!-dedeibel is "Benjamin Peter" on #debian-offtopic #debian
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04:20<hewl>What would the package that installs GIO on Debian be called?
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04:21<Zeeps>can anyone help me with spf records on my domain?
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04:45<musca>hewl: usually you get the needed packages by dependency resolution
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04:45<musca>,info gvfs
04:45<judd>Package gvfs (libs, optional) in jessie/amd64: userspace virtual filesystem - GIO module. Version: 1.22.2-1; Size: 325.7k; Installed: 604k; Homepage: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/gvfs
04:46-!-hele_ [~hele@91-159-249-16.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #debian
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04:47<arvind>I just found articles and threads online stating that debian and other distrobutions have NSA Backdoors. Is this FUD?
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08:04<hewl_>If I have a package and I want to use the version from backports, should I have the package not already installed from the standard repositories?
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08:27<bremner>if hewl_ comes back, the answer is "it doesn't matter"
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09:05<aboulafia_>no
09:05<arvind>Are there any patches in debian kernel that are not in the later branches?
09:07<bremner>probably.
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09:07<bremner>you can check the source package to be sure
09:08<arvind>with later branches in mean linux kernel branch just to be clear
09:08<bremner>yes.
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09:09<arvind>bremner, what would you suspect to be different?
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09:09<bremner>I don't have any specific suspicions
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10:21<xyz666>does anyone use doublecmd?
10:23<towo`>anyone use that for sure
10:23<towo`>but that is an useless question
10:23<xyz666>I`m asking because I encountered a problem with it
10:24<towo`>!anyone
10:24<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
10:24<xyz666>I try to open a file so I can write in it but when I press the F4 key it says that it`s not implemented
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10:42<alumnojju2833337>hoola
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10:55<aboulafia>hi, every time i print a document the first page is "Confidential with data of the printer" how to avoid it
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11:26<cromagnon>hola
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12:02<Jessie-Jesses>hallo who can help
12:02<mtn>Jessie-Jesses: who knows? did you ask your question first?
12:03<Jessie-Jesses>how do i get on the german side
12:03<mtn>!de
12:03<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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12:04<Jessie-Jesses>thanks
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12:21<r4f_debian>Hi all, please, I need an application that mount an .iso image that will be used to install an application here in Debian. Which application should be used in this case ?
12:21<r4f_debian>I'd like to install vmware hypervisor on Debian Jessie 8.6
12:22<r4f_debian>but its installer is an .iso
12:22<r4f_debian>Should it be possible in Jessie ?
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12:24<blast007>r4f_debian: when you say "vmware hypervisor" are you talking about ESXi?
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12:24<towo`>if it is an iso, it sounds like vmware esxi, which is an os for installing it on bare metal,m not in an installed os
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12:25<r4f_debian>hi blast007, nice to meet you here ! yes, blast007, that's it
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12:25<towo`>esxi is not an application
12:25<r4f_debian>hi towo
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12:25<blast007>ESXi does not run within another OS. As towo` said, it installs to the bare metal server, so it would take over the whole system and let you run VMs within it.
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12:26<towo`>one should know that, since one has buyed that ;)
12:26<r4f_debian>qemu is in debian stable repository, but it didn't run ok here
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12:27<towo`>it does not make many sense to run a virtualizer inside of another virtualizer
12:27<r4f_debian> I see, blast007, so I'll give up this idea
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12:30<blast007>r4f_debian: if you're just trying to run some VMs within your Debian system, you could try using KVM with virt-viewer / libvirt
12:32<r4f_debian>Please, blast007, I'd like to use this option you suggested me. How do I do ?
12:32<blast007>https://wiki.debian.org/KVM
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12:33<r4f_debian>Thanks a lot for that, blast007, I will check here :)
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12:34<blast007>does your system have hardware virtualization available and enabled? that might be necessary. never tried it without.
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12:34<bremner>it's necessary for reasonable performance.
12:34<r4f_debian>I need to uninstall virtualbox and qemu, here
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12:34<bremner>why?
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12:35<r4f_debian>but forgot the command to check which virtualbox version is here, in order to remove it properly, blast007
12:35<blast007>aptitude search ~i~nvirtualbox
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12:36<r4f_debian>thanks blast007 :)
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12:37<bremner>although you should not need the version to remove a package
12:37<r4f_debian>blast007, I used 'apt-get remove qemu' for removing qemu
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12:37<r4f_debian>thanks for advice bremner :)
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12:41<r4f_debian>bremner, I tried to remove virtualbox without the release (in this case,virtualbox-5.1). I tried to remove just using 'apt-get remove virtualbox, without result
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12:41<bremner>r4f_debian: that is not the version, that is part of the package name
12:42<r4f_debian>ok, so that is what I should use here
12:42<r4f_debian>But, thanks for information, bremner :)
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12:44<r4f_debian>blast007 and bremner, please, to remove completely vbox, I use 'apt-get autoremove'. Is that necessary other command ?
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12:45<r4f_debian>or just 'apt-get remove...' and 'apt-get autoremove' should be enough ?
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12:45<blast007>autoremove removes packages that were automatically installed by no longer depended upon by other packages. neither of those alone will purge configuration files for packages.
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12:46<r4f_debian>I see blast007
12:46<blast007>'apt-get purge <packagenames>' will remove configuration files and 'apt-get autoremove --purge' will also purge configuration files for packages that it will autoremove.
12:47<blast007>And 'aptitude search ~c' will show you packages that have been removed but not purged.
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12:47<r4f_debian>ok, blast007, I'll apply them here. Thanks a lot for Great Support, blast007 !
12:47<r4f_debian>Thanks for your attention too, bremner :) !
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12:48<MichaelPaoli>I find: $ dpkg -l | grep -v '^ii' to be handy command to review stuff that's in neither fully installed nor purged state.
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12:59<r4f_debian>Please, blast007, I don't know if does make sense this question, but, should I need to remove 'Virtual Machine Manager' too ?
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13:00<blast007>that sounds like something that targets KVM VMs, so no
13:01<lindi->r4f_debian: what's the name of the package?
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13:02<r4f_debian>Hi lindi, I don't know technically its name, but the informal name is 'Virtual Machine Manager'
13:02<lindi->r4f_debian: where do you see that name?
13:03<lindi->r4f_debian: you can't remove it if you don't know its name
13:03<r4f_debian>well, lindi, after its installation, that appeared an icon with this name
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13:04<blast007>virt-manager
13:04<lindi->r4f_debian: ah, no need to remove virt-manager
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13:04<r4f_debian>yes, blast007, now I remember, that is the name. Ok lindi, thanks a lot for Great Support !
13:05<r4f_debian>Thanks again, blast007 !
13:05<lindi->r4f_debian: if you want something simple I recommend gnome-boxes
13:05<lindi->r4f_debian: it uses libvirt behind the scenes so you can easily switch to virt-manager if you need to do more complex stuff
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13:06<r4f_debian>I will install the first suggestion blast007 has passed me, lindi, but I will install this other suggestion in other Debian Installation I have here, lindi, both of them are installed in real hardware ( 9 Debian Jessie Installations in hard drive and ssd, not in virtual machines)
13:07<lindi->the main advantage that virtualbox has is the ability to share directories to windows guests, I'm not aware of any other free software virtualization solution that'd let you do that
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13:07<blast007>r4f_debian: go with gnome-boxes as that sounds like what you were looking for
13:07<blast007>I've only used KVM from a headless system, so I don't have knowledge of the graphical interfaces for it
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13:08<r4f_debian>blast007, I just want a virtualization software that can be similar to virtual box, but with more stability
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13:08<r4f_debian>you know, lindi, I'm trying another option for virtualbox, it has been quite unstable here
13:09<lindi->r4f_debian: are you using windows guests?
13:09<r4f_debian>no, lindi, I only use Debian Jessi in real hardware here
13:09<r4f_debian>and not windows guests
13:09<blast007>r4f_debian: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Boxes
13:09<lindi->r4f_debian: ok, then things should be quite simple
13:09<r4f_debian>not any windows guests
13:09<r4f_debian>ok, lindi
13:10<lindi->r4f_debian: you want to install xserver-xorg-video-qxl and spice-vdagent to the guest OS
13:10<lindi->r4f_debian: to get copy paste, graphics acceleration etc
13:11<r4f_debian>lindi, these options are according gnome-boxes ?
13:11<r4f_debian>are they according to gnome-boxes installation ?
13:11<r4f_debian>better asking: do I have to use them after gnome-boxes installation ?
13:12<blast007>they get installed into the *guest*
13:12<blast007>not the host
13:12<blast007>gnome-boxes just uses KVM via libvirt behind the scenes
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13:14<r4f_debian>ok, blast007. do you know if gnome-boxes is similar to vmware in terms of functionalities ?
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13:14<r4f_debian>or similar to virtual box ?
13:14<lindi->r4f_debian: it's much simpler
13:14<lindi->r4f_debian: just try it out, it's easy to get started
13:14<r4f_debian>I see, lindi
13:16<r4f_debian>installing gnome-boxes here, blast007 and lindi
13:17<r4f_debian>It was suggested me to install 'floppyd' too. Is that really necessary ?
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13:19<lindi->r4f_debian: never used it but probably doesn't harm you
13:21<r4f_debian>lindi, do you use gnome-boxes frequently ? I intend to use it just for creating virtual machines, some OS that will run under Debian
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13:25<lindi->r4f_debian: I do
13:25<mots>r4f_debian, if you plan on using more than one hypervisor then I suggest ovirt. It's really good.
13:25<r4f_debian>I'm installing an OS here through gnome-boxes, it's simple and fine
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13:26<r4f_debian>Hi mots ! Nice to meet you here ! Is 'ovirt' in debian stable repository ?
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13:27<Lantizia>hey, if I'd like my MTA to only accept mail-in (either from localhost port 25, or something like a sendmail utility) from specific programs (e.g. check the path of the calling executable) then which of these would be best? ssmtp, nullmailer, msmtp-mta, or esmtp-run ?
13:28<lindi->Lantizia: why are you doing this?
13:29<Lantizia>lindi-, because the same system will have unknown code running on it (other peoples php websites) and I don't want them sending mail directly from the server
13:29<mots>No it's not, it's CentOS/Fedora only. In my opinion it doesn't really matter which distro the hypervisor runs, you shouldn't be accessing it directly anyway :)
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13:30<mots>Plus, given that your original plan was to use esx it's probably really close to what you want.
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13:33<r4f_debian>I see mots, I installed gnome-boxes here and installed my first OS guest. but I will check about this other suggestion too, I have 9 Debian Jessie installations all of them in real hardware, so, it's nice installing and testing several options in each Debian here
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13:35<bremner>Lantizia: and how will you stop this unknown code from connecting to port 25?
13:35<r4f_debian>lindi, I didn't have connection for gnome-boxes. The guest OS is not connection to network
13:36<Lantizia>bremner, MAGIC
13:37<bremner>faith-based security.
13:37<Lantizia>indeed - ok for a moment assume the MTA doesn't listen on any ports... it's just a drop in for sendmail
13:37<Lantizia>which might suffice anyway
13:38<bremner>one way would be to make the mta injection program only runnable by programs in a certain group.
13:38<bremner>blug setgid php
13:39<lindi->r4f_debian: what guest OS was it?
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13:39<Lantizia>well i was kinda hoping one of these (ssmtp, nullmailer, msmtp-mta, or esmtp-run) would have some built in way? i only say that as I've heard msmtp has 'profiles' but i can't seem to find any good docs on using that
13:39<Lantizia>or exactly that the capabilities are
13:39<Lantizia>*what the
13:40<r4f_debian>I installed FreeBSD on gnome-boxes here, lindi, but FreeBSD didn't connected to network
13:40<r4f_debian>as it always did in virtualbox
13:41<r4f_debian>but, just to explain you the matter here, I don't have intention to come back to vbox anymore
13:41<r4f_debian>just would like to see gnome-boxes running fine here,
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13:41<lindi->r4f_debian: does freebsd see a network adapter at all?
13:42<r4f_debian>I don't know lindi, how do I chek it ?
13:42<lindi->r4f_debian: I don't know how to use freebsd sorry
13:42<lindi->r4f_debian: I thought you said you use debian guests only
13:42<lindi->r4f_debian: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Guest_Support_Status#FreeBSD might help you
13:43<lindi->r4f_debian: use virt-manager to check the NIC type, I don't think gnome-boxes UI lets you change that
13:43<r4f_debian>well, lindi, but I think any OS should show the same problem. Even if I install Debian here in gnome-boxes, it wouldn't connect to network too
13:44<lindi->r4f_debian: not true
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13:44<lindi->r4f_debian: I suggest you read more on how virtualization of devices works
13:45<lindi->r4f_debian: qemu can emulate many kinds of network interface cards, freebsd probably supports only a subset of those
13:45<lindi->r4f_debian: you need to pick one that is supported by both host and guest
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13:46<r4f_debian>ok lindi, but why freebsd or any other OS installed on virtualbox can stablish connection easily, and can't connect here installed on gnome-boxes ?
13:49<lindi->r4f_debian: I don't know about this specific case sorry
13:49<r4f_debian>lindi, I will install debian on gnome-boxes now. Haven't you experienced any issue with this option, Debian running on gnome-boxes ?
13:50<lindi->r4f_debian: I have hit multiple issues but networking should work out of the box
13:50<r4f_debian>lindi, help me with suggestions that run ok within your system, please
13:51<lindi->r4f_debian: in any case you need to spend some time studying how the technology works, at least to be able to search for relevant info
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13:52<r4f_debian>yes, lindi, you are right. Thanks for Great Support and informations given ! :)
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13:58<jmcnaught>Lantizia: Postfix has http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#authorized_submit_users
13:59<Lantizia>jmccroha1, i don't want to check by user - i want to check by process calling sendmail
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14:00<lindi->Lantizia: that is very easy to bypass?
14:00<jmcnaught>Lantizia: your trusted and untrusted code all runs as the same user?
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14:00<Lantizia>lindi-, how is it? if only '/usr/sbin/special-executable' is allowed to run 'sendmail' (and the MTA doesn't listed on ANY port, not even local) how is that easy to bypass ?
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14:06<lindi->Lantizia: LD_PRELOAD=foo.so special-executable
14:06<lindi->Lantizia: where foo.so is written by me and sends all the emails I want
14:07<Lantizia>lindi-, at which point you'd have been a fool not to just write a mini MTA in the first place
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14:13<Lantizia>I'm thinking perhaps just to have 'lsb-invalid-mta' to satisfy any dependancies and write my own 'sendmail' that checks what process called it and uses hairloom-mailx to send authed email
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14:14<Lantizia>aka nail
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14:17<jmcnaught>presumably only some users have access to /usr/sbin/special-executable?
14:17<Lantizia>yeah
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14:18<Lantizia>this is just for idiotic programs/web-ui's which don't let you pop in an smtp ip/host - the two I can think of (froxlor/proxmox) both use the sendmail command anyway
14:18<Lantizia>i'd probably be hard pushed to find a program/web-ui which didn't use a sendmail "path" but also didn't let you at least pop an ip/host/port in
14:19<jmcnaught>but for some reason restricting access by user in the MTA is not an option?
14:19<Lantizia>i don't want an mta as I don't need any ports open
14:19<Lantizia>not even locally
14:20<jmcnaught>and you don't have anything like mdadm that might need to email root?
14:20<Lantizia>nope - and if I did I'd find a way to get it to STOP DOING THAT AND DO BLOODY SYSLOG :P
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14:21<Lantizia>i'm just not a fan of mta's on boxes that are not principly mail servers
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14:23<jmcnaught>it's a pretty established convention that software emails root. anyways, you could also use dpkg-statoverride to change the group for sendmail and mail(x)
14:24<Lantizia>jmcnaught, other than mdamd what else can you think of? i mean that isn't configurable?
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14:24<jmcnaught>cron jobs send emails if there's any output
14:25<Lantizia>i'm sure that one is configurable - pretty sure I've seen that
14:25<jmcnaught>i also use tools like logcheck that email root
14:25<Lantizia>emailing local users only made sense back when there was one *nix box to a whole building
14:26<Lantizia>where alerts were send to "local" root user (no one of course is "local" to servers any more)- most software will do syslog instead
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14:27<Lantizia>possibly in addition to things like snmp
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14:27<Lantizia>if there is much stuff out there emailing "root" ... then i'd likely find a "root e-mail -> syslog" tool of some kind - or write one
14:28<Lantizia>never come across that issue though
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14:36<Lantizia>hmm it appears msmtp-mta doesn't have anything in that package which could possibly even listen as a daemon
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14:37<Lantizia>just symlinks sendmail to msmtp program (from another package it depends on)
14:37<Lantizia>is that what is meant by "This package provides the regular MTA program."
14:37<Lantizia>is the "regular MTA program" - sendmail?
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14:38<jmcnaught>nullmailers are MTAs that don't run as a daemon. they're meant for systems that don't need to receive mail
14:39<Lantizia>so they'd never work if even the localsystem contacted itself on port 25 or 587 to sendmail? i.e. nullmailers are ... use the sendmail command or another command - or you can't send
14:39<jmcnaught>well.. i guess that's not 100% true, you can configure postfix as a null mailer. msmtp-mta, ssmtp, nullmailer and others like then simply provide a "sendmail" command that works like an SMTP client
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14:40<Lantizia>jmcnaught, ok so in theory i could install a nullmailer (any preference over these? ssmtp, nullmailer, msmtp-mta, or esmtp-run) ... and perhaps swap out that sendmail symlink for a script which does a few checks before forwarding on the original parameters?!
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14:42<jmcnaught>Lantizia: i think not all of those queue messages if it cannot send right away (they get dropped silently). personally i use postfix configured like a null mailer on my non-MX systems
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14:43<Lantizia>jmcnaught, that doesn't bother me - they'd likely get dropped silently if the originating program/web-ui trying to send a message could do it directly itself to an external relay anyway
14:44<jmcnaught>Lantizia: if you swap sendmail for a script, make sure to use dpkg-divert. alternatively you could use dpkg-statoverride to set a different group and permission for the mail and sendmail binaries so that only users in that group can execute them
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14:45<Lantizia>i'm likely to just make it simpler and have it check the chosen 'From:' address - as even those web-ui's/programs that *don't* let you pick an smtp ip/host at least *do* let you set a from address
14:45<Lantizia>thus I'd be at least 90% sure it's not being abused
14:46<Lantizia>it's not meant to be 100% secure - just make it more inconvenient for other stuff which might be running on the server (e.g. someones php website)
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14:48<Lantizia>bbl :D thanks for your help though jmcnaught - given me a lot to think about
14:48<catern>do debian packages have a notion of running the test suite for a package? say I am hacking on the features of package Z, which packages A/B/C depend on.
14:48<catern>i'd like to run the tests for all packages which depend on me
14:48<catern>can Debian packages help me with this/do this for me?
14:48<jmcnaught>Lantizia: cheers.. i always try to go for the solution that deviates least from stock defaults
14:51<Echoz>So, I discovered this thing called pkexec which looks a little less disgusting than gksudo. Now, I'd like to use pkexec to run a program as a non-root user. Does anybody know the appropriate changes to make in my policy?
14:51<Echoz>Graphical program, the problem occurs when it tries to connect to my X server.
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15:00<Echoz>My policykit action is working, as the string shown in pkexec changes according to my file, but my settings are not being respected
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15:01<kristopher>anyone have issued with huge ass web search bars, cant find the setting to change them
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15:45<jhutchins>Echoz: It's probably running the program as root/superuser, which is bad.
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15:46<jhutchins>Echoz: Root does not have access to your display. This is good, it helps keep you from running GUI programs as root.
15:47<jhutchins>Echoz: Like it or not, gksudo is the correct tool if you need root privileges in a GUI app.
15:47<jhutchins>kristopher: Might help to know what release you're on, what DE you run, and what browser you're talking about.
15:48<Echoz>jhutchins: No, it was running it as a user with no permissions but its own home directory
15:48<jhutchins>Let's see, firefox, chrome, opera, konqueror ... I'm pretty sure there are two or three other common ones.
15:49<Echoz>jhutchins: I got it to work, sort of but didn't want to deal with the pulseaudio setup so I'll just run it as my current user
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16:30<r4f_debian>Hi all, should I set up any specific configuration in gnome-boxes, in order to permit OS guests installed on it being able to recognize networking ?
16:31<r4f_debian>I tried it with my first vmachine in gnome-boxes, freebsd, and it couldn't be able to connect to network
16:31<r4f_debian>now, I'm installing debian on it
16:31<r4f_debian>not sure yet, if Debian will configure succesfully network under gnome-boxes
16:32<r4f_debian>still in an installation phase that can't permit me to get any conclusion about that
16:32<r4f_debian>not yet
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16:38<awal1>r4f_debian, gnome-boxes is really a new software developed by gnome team. Probably no many people use it. you may find more help in #debian-gnome
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16:39<r4f_debian>ok awal1, thanks for information !
16:39<awal1> I dont think it's in jessie , anyway
16:39<awal1>,v gnome-boxes
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16:39<judd>Package: gnome-boxes on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.3+dfsg-1; jessie: 3.14.2-2; stretch: 3.22.0-1; sid: 3.22.1-1
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16:40<r4f_debian>yes it is available in debian jessie stable repositories, awal1, where I got it
16:40<awal1>oh, it is, and not too new :P excuses
16:40<r4f_debian>no problem, awal1 ! Nice to meet you here ! :)
16:41<awal1>:)
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16:45<Guest2215>Hi all. I use plymouth and nvidia proprietary driver. I see the splash screen but i have a black screen after and i have no log session. Is there a solution? (exept to remove plymouth)
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16:55<lindi->awal1: it's in jessie and works nicely
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16:59<awal1>lindi-, fine, so. I never tried it. I usually use qemu-kvm or virtualbox
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17:00<lindi->awal1: yeah you can of course use kvm manually too but the command-lines get rather long rather fast
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17:02<awal1>lindi-, virt-manager does the job relatively fine
17:02<lindi->awal1: true
17:03<lindi->awal1: in jessie it support snapshots too, right?
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17:11<awal1>lindi-, gnome-boxes?
17:11<lindi->awal1: virt-manager
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17:13<awal1>lindi-, not sure; I havent tried that feature
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17:47<Guest2221>hello?
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17:59<r4f_debian>Hi Guest2221
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18:02<r4f_debian>Please, lindi- Debian installation progress is taking too much time, it's in last phase, 90 % done, but its taking more than one hour for that. Is that common ?
18:02<r4f_debian>intel i5 dual core here
18:02<r4f_debian>1.67 ghz each core
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18:04<r4f_debian>in vbox, it takes about 30 minutes, with the same packages. Why is that so slow in gnome-boxes ?
18:04<somiaj>what part are you at? Is this at the downloading/installing files part or creating the filesystem? (encrypted filesystems can take a long time)
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18:05<r4f_debian>Select and Install Software, somiaj, 93% now
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18:05<r4f_debian>used .iso as source for Debian installation here in gnome-boxe, somiaj
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18:06<r4f_debian>configuring lightdm now
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18:07<petn-randall>r4f_debian: Virtual machines are a lot faster if you allow write-back caching. That's probably the difference.
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18:08<r4f_debian>Hi petn-randall, so that is a kind of configuration I wouldn't have done in gnome-boxes here, that's my first time using it
18:08<Ouroboros>petn-randall: of which cache?
18:08<r4f_debian>and freebsd network configuration was done during its installation in gnome-boxes, but I couldn't connect to network afterwards
18:09<r4f_debian>Now, I'm trying Debian Jessie 8.6
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18:09<r4f_debian>Installing grub now
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18:11<r4f_debian>petn-randall, nice to meet you here again ! :)
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18:12<r4f_debian>lindi- as I suspected, debian connection failed too, not only the 1st one (freebsd)
18:12<Ouroboros>so fix it
18:13<r4f_debian>if I could, I had been done already, Ouroboros
18:13<somiaj>r4f_debian: have you tried alt-f2, f3, etc, wonder if any of those actually give you the output of the installer to see what it is taking so long at. Maybe the internet connection is just being slow
18:13<somiaj>r4f_debian: i also don't know what gnome-box is
18:14<r4f_debian>I will try it now, somiaj, installation is finished here
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18:14<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: what does 'ifconfig -a' say
18:14<r4f_debian>gnome-boxes is similar to vbox, to create virtual machines, somiaj
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18:14<r4f_debian>I will check it now, Ouroboros, opening terminal here
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18:16<r4f_debian>errors, lots of information, Ouroboros: TX packets: 44 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
18:17<r4f_debian>collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
18:18<r4f_debian>and the command 'ping www.google.com' doesn't return anything:116 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss
18:18<r4f_debian>I don't have network connection for gnome-boxes here
18:19<r4f_debian>I never has any kind of network issue with Debian and FreeBSD, they configure ipv4, ipv6 and dhcp fast and precisely
18:20<r4f_debian>so, the issue is related to gnome-boxes, not any mistaken installation parameter used
18:21<Ouroboros>!pastebin
18:21<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
18:21<Ouroboros>can you paste the whole ifconfig there
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18:25<r4f_debian>I will try it here, Ouroboros, for I still don't know how to save the file generated in Debian virtualized to Debian in real hardware
18:25<Ouroboros>oh right
18:25<r4f_debian>I will try it now, Ouroboros, just one moment, please
18:25<Ouroboros>screenshot?
18:25<r4f_debian>yes, could be
18:26<r4f_debian>I saved info in pluma, but will try other option too
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18:30<r4f_debian>Ouroboros, I just could a screenshot here, how to send to yours ?
18:30<Ouroboros>paste to one those places like imgur
18:31<Ouroboros>do we have a dpkg thing for that
18:31<r4f_debian>is that 'imgur' a website ?
18:31<Ouroboros>yeah
18:31<r4f_debian>I'm completely lost here
18:31<r4f_debian>please, pass me adress, Ouroboros
18:31<inkbottle>I've got a computer connected only with wifi, without keyboard nor monitor. When I turn it on and try to connect to it with ssh, say 3 minutes after, there is usually no problem. Now, if instead I wait, say 30 minutes, the computer is unreachable.
18:32<Ouroboros>imgur.com, photobucket.com etc
18:32<r4f_debian>got here, I have to generate an account
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18:33<inkbottle>I haven't been able to find yet the right keywords to effectively find a solution on the net
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18:34<Ouroboros>inkbottle: logs would be helpful
18:34<Ouroboros>inkbottle: you can set up a cron job to restart the network interface after 30 min or something
18:34<inkbottle>Ouroboros: OK, which log would you like
18:34<Ouroboros>then connect and see what happened
18:38<r4f_debian>Please, Ouroboros, take a look on it: http://r4fdebian.imgur.com/all/
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18:39<Ouroboros>not public / no images
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18:40<r4f_debian>can't understand what has been wrong, let me check it now, Ouroboros
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18:42<r4f_debian>Please, Ouroboros, see if is that possible viewing it now: http://imgur.com/a/wGS4H
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18:43<Ouroboros>does 'ping 10.0.2.1' work?
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18:44<r4f_debian>let me try it here. Please, Ouroboros, could you see the posted image in imgur ?
18:44<Ouroboros>yes
18:44<r4f_debian>oh, fine
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18:45<Ouroboros>looks fine there, probably routing/bridgins is not enabled/not working on the host
18:45<Ouroboros>how did you set up the network when you created the vm
18:45<r4f_debian>no Ouroboros, it is not ping for this 10.0.2.1
18:45<r4f_debian>it says: "Destination Host Unreachable'
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18:46<r4f_debian>52 packets transmitted, 0 received, +51 errors, 100% packet loss
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18:47<Ouroboros>what does 'route -n' say
18:47<r4f_debian>as I remember, I didn't make any setup in networkg during gnome-boxes installation, and no after it
18:47<r4f_debian>let me see here...
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18:49<r4f_debian>Please, Ouroboros: http://imgur.com/a/JKZ4d
18:50<Ouroboros>ah, so 'ping 10.0.2.2' please
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18:50<r4f_debian>ok
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18:51<Ouroboros>you have one physical network card, correct?
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18:51<r4f_debian>http://imgur.com/a/XNbXJ
18:52<r4f_debian>not it is pinging
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18:52<r4f_debian>I think so, let me pass you here, Ouroboros
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18:54<r4f_debian>Ouroboros, this is my Debian in Real Hardware - http://imgur.com/a/7zUxF
18:54<r4f_debian>is that the information you told me ?
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18:55<inkbottle>Ouroboros: when I look dmesg.0 (which is where there should be an error I believe) there is only 20sec. of log at the end of which the wifi (wlan0) is ready; the is nothing about the other 20 min or so... [I've got another idea]
18:55<inkbottle>it could also be the router which stop registering that computer
18:55<inkbottle>after a while
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18:56<inkbottle>hence I could not reach the computer
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18:59<Ouroboros>lots of things are possible
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19:00<Ouroboros>wlan interface went down, or wifi disconnected, or something happened on router end
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19:01<inkbottle>I'm now investigating the router side, since I found no error in dmeg...
19:02<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: how do you edit your vm config?
19:02<Ouroboros>inkbottle: so you are able to connect after the failure? or this is after reboot?
19:02<inkbottle>after reboot
19:03<Ouroboros>inkbottle: also look in /var/log/syslog /var/log/messages, there can be more info there
19:03<inkbottle>no monitor, no keyboard, only power button
19:03<inkbottle>I looked there too
19:04<r4f_debian>I just installed it, gnome-boxes, Ouroboros, but didn't make any specific configuration
19:04<Ouroboros>you can also e.g. make a cron job that periodically checks status of various things
19:04<Ouroboros>and writes it to file
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19:04<Ouroboros>like ifconfig, iwconfig etc
19:04<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: how did you make the vm (i am not familiar with gnome-boxes)
19:04<r4f_debian>I can check iwconfig, by the way, I'm using wi-fi connection here
19:04<Ouroboros>no, that was for inkbottle
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19:05<r4f_debian>it's very easy to install you insert .iso, make similar parameters you do in virtual box
19:05<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: but you used virt-manager?
19:05<r4f_debian>adjust virtual disk size, ram size and specify the .iso to work as virtual drive
19:06<r4f_debian>I installed it, but don't know how to manage it
19:06<Ouroboros>i mean, what command did you first create the vm with
19:06<r4f_debian>I'm completely lost here, for in virtualbox I didn't have such issues
19:06<r4f_debian>nor in vmware when I used that
19:06<Ouroboros>hold on
19:06<r4f_debian>let me check it here, not too familiar yet with gnome-boxes
19:07<r4f_debian>just press the bottom 'new' and you start inserting that parameters I told you before
19:07<r4f_debian>adjust virtual disk size, ram size and specify the .iso to work as virtual drive
19:07<Ouroboros>ah, so gnome-boxes is basically just a ui thing
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19:08<r4f_debian>it's quite intuitive, easier than in vbox
19:08<Ouroboros>can you do this on the host: virsh -c qemu:///session list --all
19:08<r4f_debian>sorry, Ouroboros, where do I apply these commands ?
19:08<Ouroboros>in a terminal on the host (physical) machine
19:09<r4f_debian>ok, my real Debian, let me see here
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19:09<inkbottle>Ouroboros: Like I could do a ping to the router every minutes; I fact what things, do you have in mind, that I could check periodically?
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19:09<Ouroboros>well, ping will presumably just stop working
19:10<r4f_debian>I see
19:10<Ouroboros>inkbottle: but ifconfig, iwconfig (or whatever wifi status thing you use, i am not super familiar with wifi)
19:10<r4f_debian>by the way, please, which software for vmachines do you use, Ouroboros ?
19:10<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: that comment was for inkbottle
19:10<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: i dont use vms on debian yet
19:11<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: so what did that command print
19:11<r4f_debian>oh, I see
19:11<Ouroboros>i just want the name of the machine
19:11<Ouroboros>of the vm
19:11<r4f_debian>gnome-boxes
19:11<r4f_debian>oh, I suspect that is not the question you asked me to
19:11<Ouroboros>the output of the virsh command
19:12<Ouroboros>inkbottle: well, ping might be useful if everything else is fine, that might indicate the problem is on the router
19:12<inkbottle>Ouroboros: yes, good idea: ifconfig, iwconfig
19:12<Ouroboros>so yeah, those 3 things every min or so
19:12<inkbottle>Ouroboros: yes, that's what I think, also, keep the link alive
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19:13<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: virsh -c qemu:///session list --all | this should list the name of your vm
19:14<r4f_debian>Please, Ouroboros, the output for the virsh command:http://imgur.com/a/fqQzE
19:14<Ouroboros>ok, so boxes-unknown-2
19:14<inkbottle>Ouroboros: thanks for all these hints, I'm sure I'll have some solution there. I'll do the cron thing tomorrow of so.
19:15<Ouroboros>maybe
19:15<r4f_debian>Ouroboros, I think they are quite strange messages
19:15<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: so now, 'virsh edit boxes-unknown-2'
19:15<r4f_debian>boxes-unkown-2
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19:15<r4f_debian>ok
19:16<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: this should open a config file, find the lines that start with <interface ...>
19:16<Ouroboros>and paste that image
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19:17<r4f_debian>Ouroboros, here you are: http://imgur.com/a/i6lwe
19:17<r4f_debian>and Thanks for Great Support ! :)
19:17<r4f_debian>what option do I use here ? 1, 2, 3 ?
19:18<r4f_debian>Pleasae, which of them ?
19:19<Ouroboros>whichever editor you normally use
19:19<r4f_debian>I will use the option '1', because it is easier
19:19<r4f_debian>nano
19:19<cra1g321>1 would be what most use
19:19<cra1g321>hence why it's default, also as it says, easy to use
19:19<Ouroboros>is it?
19:19<Ouroboros>vi used to be default everywhere
19:19<r4f_debian>yes, cralg321 that is what I told to Ouroboros, nano is that I use it often
19:19<cra1g321>it is default in that selection i mean
19:19<Ouroboros>which was annoying :) but lets not start an editor war
19:19<cra1g321>choose 1-3 [1]:
19:20<r4f_debian>1
19:20<cra1g321>1 then enter, then nano opens
19:20<r4f_debian>yes
19:21<Ouroboros>so find the lines that start with <interface
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19:21<r4f_debian>ok Ouroboros
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19:22<Ouroboros>i am eating lunch, so support may be intermittent :P
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19:22<r4f_debian>http://imgur.com/a/5RysG
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19:23<r4f_debian>eating lunch here too, Ouroboros and cralg321 and drinking "Suco do Pântano"
19:25<ryouma>i don't think mentioning hte name of an editor, or helping somebody choose one, is starting an editor war
19:26<ryouma>i've never even seen an editor war, outside of people saying their own opinion about how bad an editor is, and then saying in the same breath let's not start an editor war
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19:28*awal1 Thinks that almost all text editors are similar; probably nano is easier compared to vi, vim... just bcuz of keybinding
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19:41<Ouroboros>ryouma: heh
19:43<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: what do you have in 'sudo iptables -n -t nat -L'
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19:43<r4f_debian>oh, Ouroboros is back ! Great !
19:44<r4f_debian>let me see here...
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19:44<r4f_debian>I do leave nano editor ?
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19:44<r4f_debian>leave out editor mode here ? about 'interfaces ' ?
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19:46<r4f_debian>Ouroboros, here you are :) : http://imgur.com/a/czTVo
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19:48<Echoz>use https://echoz.rocks/.upload.php instead
19:48<Echoz>it's more secure™
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19:54<r4f_debian>Please, Echoz, take a look on this: http://imgur.com/a/xf3C1
19:55<Echoz>r4f_debian: It's my fault, I typed the link manually, the correct URL is https://echoz.rocks/files/.upload.php
19:55<r4f_debian>Great ! :)
19:57<r4f_debian>Echoz, Ouroboros is providing me Great Support for me. Join us and I'll send some 'empty' bitcoins to you :)
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19:59<Echoz>r4f_debian: don't think i have an active bitcoin wallet anymore, haha :)
19:59<Ouroboros>i only accept dogecoin
20:00<r4f_debian>sure Echoz ! lol
20:00<Echoz>>not using memecoin 1.3.37
20:00<r4f_debian>'dogecoin' ahahahah
20:00<Ouroboros>ok so
20:00<Ouroboros>that seems to be the problem
20:00<r4f_debian>and there is the 'Debcoins' Age coming
20:01<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: see this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Networking#Troubleshooting
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20:01<Ouroboros>so try those steps please
20:03<r4f_debian>virsh net-destroy default
20:03<r4f_debian>virsh net-start default
20:03<r4f_debian>really ?
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20:03<r4f_debian>ok
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20:05<Ouroboros>sure why not
20:06<r4f_debian>well, if you tell to be done..., Please, Ouroboros, only the 'Troubleshooting' phase here ?
20:07<Ouroboros>yes, those two commands
20:07<r4f_debian>ok
20:07<Ouroboros>but stop the vm first, then start it again after (not sure if really necessary, probably not)
20:07<r4f_debian>let me stop it first
20:07<r4f_debian>yeah, that is I would say you
20:09<r4f_debian>Ouroboros, do these commands only apply for gnome-boxes ? Or the entire network connections of 'Real' Debian in physical machine ?
20:10<Ouroboros>well, it applies to the real debian network iptables, but that rule mostly only affects your VMs
20:11<r4f_debian>error: Failed to destroy network default
20:11<r4f_debian>error: Requested operation is not valid: network 'default' is not active
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20:11<Ouroboros>there shouldnt be any network interruption or anything
20:11<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: and the net-start?
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20:12<r4f_debian>root@r4fdeb:~# virsh net-start default
20:12<r4f_debian>Network default started
20:12<Ouroboros>ok, try to ping google :)
20:13<r4f_debian>10 packets transmitted, 8 received, 20% packet loss, time 9017ms
20:13<Ouroboros>works then?
20:13<r4f_debian>debian in gnome-boxes is closed
20:13<Ouroboros>no, try it from your vm obviously
20:14<r4f_debian>well, the Real Debian always worked fine here, only the gnome-boxes hasn't been showing network connection
20:14<Ouroboros>or first 'sudo iptables -n -t nat -L' to make sure the rule is there
20:14<r4f_debian>ok
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20:17<rock>hello
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20:17<Echoz>Guest2233: hi
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20:18<Guest2233>any on knows how to install kodi on debain
20:18<Echoz>Guest2233: Yes, add jessie-backports and install it from there
20:18<Guest2233>can u give me comand line
20:19<r4f_debian>Ouroboros, Please:http://imgur.com/a/UNXxZ
20:19<r4f_debian>is the rule here ?
20:21<Guest2233>thnks Echoz
20:21<r4f_debian>Ouroboros, in the virtual Debian it is said: -su: virsh: command not found
20:22<r4f_debian>I used 'virsh net-destroy default'
20:22<r4f_debian>but didn't work
20:22<Ouroboros>no, you dont do it in virtual
20:23<Ouroboros>now i am confused what you actually did
20:23<Echoz>Guest2233: Did you get it or do you want some commands to set it up for you?
20:24<r4f_debian>http://imgur.com/a/rhUnB
20:24<Echoz>if not you could try this as root: echo 'deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main' > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/10-jessie-backports.list
20:24<r4f_debian>This is Real Debian, Ouroboros, now I did the two commands in Real Debian
20:25<Echoz>apt update
20:25<Echoz>apt install kodi
20:25<Guest2233>no ...if it possiable send e cl
20:25<r4f_debian>Ouroboros, actually I used the two commands in Real Debian
20:26<Guest2233>coz i m not so expert.
20:26<r4f_debian>it worked, connection was destroyed and recreated again
20:26<Ouroboros>ok
20:26<Guest2233>i didt it
20:26<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: and the iptables command in real debian?
20:26<r4f_debian>but in this case, gnome-boxes should be closed, no ?
20:26<Echoz>Guest2233: Did it work out?
20:26<Echoz>if not here are the commands in a pastebin https://echoz.rocks/paste/?p=1476577579983
20:27<r4f_debian>let me see here
20:27<Guest2233>ok i will chect it now
20:27<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: doesnt matter right now
20:28<r4f_debian>ok, I will print the screen for you now :)
20:28<Ouroboros>only if its different
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20:29<r4f_debian>This is 'Ouroboros X.png': http://imgur.com/a/a8uXL
20:29<r4f_debian>it means: Ouroboros 10 times
20:29<r4f_debian>the screen number 10
20:29<Ouroboros>ok, so now try your networking in your virtual debian
20:30<ectospasm>I'm having an issue with ntpd. I noticed my time was off earlier this afternoon (slow by about 30min), so I decided to reset it. I stopped ntp ("systemctl stop ntp"), then ran "ntpd -g -q -x", but it just hangs and never returns. I'm using the [0-3] Debian pools. Nothing in journalctl seems to indicate failure.
20:31<r4f_debian>unfortunately not working yet: ping www.google.com - 9 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100 % packet loss
20:31<ectospasm>I did set it about thirty seconds fast with "date --set ...", but "ntpd -g -q -x" still appears to hang.
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20:32<Guest2233>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
20:32<Guest2233> kodi : Depends: kodi-bin (>= 16.1+dfsg1-2~bpo8+1) but it is not going to be installed
20:32<Guest2233> Depends: kodi-bin (< 16.1+dfsg1-2~bpo8+1.1~) but it is not going to be installed
20:32<Guest2233> Depends: kodi-data but it is not going to be installed
20:32<Guest2233>E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
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20:32<r4f_debian>Ouroboros, does make sense rebooting the vmachines and real machines ?
20:33<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: try rebooting virtual machines
20:33<r4f_debian>ok
20:34<Ouroboros>ectospasm: why ntpd
20:34<ectospasm>Ouroboros: that's how you're supposed to set the time, if you're using ntp
20:35<ectospasm>Ouroboros: it supersedes ntpdate
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20:35<Ouroboros>well, yes
20:35<ectospasm>ntpdate has finally died, I don't see it on this Jessie system.
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20:37<Ouroboros>ok, i see, you just wanted to see what it did
20:37<ectospasm>Ouroboros: no, I wanted to synchronize my clock with an NTP server.
20:38<ectospasm>"ntpd -g -q" or "ntpd -g -q -x" is supposed to do what the nonexistent ntpdate used to do
20:38<ectospasm>It has worked for me countless times in the past, when I saw that ntpdate was deprecated twelve years ago or so.
20:39<ectospasm>I bet it's the pools I'm using
20:39<Ouroboros>yes, but i mean, why not just do 'systemctl start ntp'
20:39<Ouroboros>anyway
20:39<ectospasm>Ouroboros: you can't run "ntpd -g -q -x" with ntp running.
20:39<ectospasm>-q quits once it sets the time
20:40<Ouroboros>i know
20:41<Ouroboros>try to ping the pools i guess?
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20:42<r4f_debian>Ouroboros, unfortunately our efforts didn't fix the gnome-boxes issues yet.
20:42<ectospasm>Not all the servers in the pools respond to ICMP, unfortunately.
20:42<ectospasm>I'll try different pools.
20:42<r4f_debian>I think to reboot real Debian, but I'm not so sure if that's the case
20:43<Ouroboros>ectospasm: but i guess its supposed to go to the next one if that happens
20:43<ectospasm>Yeah, but for some reason it isn't.
20:43<r4f_debian>I don't understand: lindi- told me he uses gnome-boxes and it works 'relatively" fine
20:43<Ouroboros>ectospasm: is your date actually reasonably correct now?
20:43<r4f_debian>but he had some issues in the past too
20:43<Ouroboros>ectospasm: possible that ntpd just adjusting it slowly?
20:44<ectospasm>Ouroboros: if you consider ~30 seconds fast to be reasonable.
20:44<ectospasm>I left it alone for hours, it never corrected itself.
20:45<themill>Do you still have iburst in /etc/ntp.conf
20:45<r4f_debian>Well, I'm tired here, and I guess that is the same case of yours
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20:45<Ouroboros>wait a sec
20:45<ectospasm>themill: I do, should I remove it?
20:45<themill>no, that's needed
20:45<Ouroboros>ectospasm: -x means you want it to slew the time, right?
20:46<ectospasm>Ouroboros: yes. I usually just do "ntpd -g -q"
20:46<Ouroboros>i think 30 secs would take around 16 hours to slew
20:46<Ouroboros>if i am reading the manpage correctly
20:47<themill>0.5ms/s, yes
20:47<Ouroboros>does ntpd return properly without -x
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20:47<ectospasm>not yet
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20:47<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: ok
20:47<r4f_debian>Thanks here Ouroboros ! See you ! :) Thank you for Great Effort and Support provided ! :)
20:48<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: hold on
20:48<r4f_debian>?
20:48<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: can you repeat the steps in the order they specified
20:49<r4f_debian>I think so
20:49<Ouroboros>stop the vm (make sure is stopped using virsh -c qemu:///session list --all), then restart the network, then start it again
20:49<Ouroboros>maybe it somehow makes a difference
20:49<Ouroboros>(but i doubt it)
20:50<Ouroboros>(another guide i am looking at: http://xkahn.zoned.net/blog/2013/11/26/networking-and-gnome-boxes/, but again this is mostly about bridging, which is not what you want)
20:50<r4f_debian>I see
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20:51<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: also, what does 'cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' say
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20:52<Ouroboros>(after you restart everything)
20:52<r4f_debian>virsh -c qemu:///session list --all - this and other commands always in Real Debian, right ?
20:52<Ouroboros>yes, all virsh commands in real debian
20:52<r4f_debian>ok
20:55<r4f_debian>Ouroboros, this rule is as the same here: MASQUERADE all -- 192.168.122.0/24 !192.168.122.0/24 - that is what is shown in the tutorial you've passed me
20:56<r4f_debian>and that is the same case here, in My Debian
20:57<r4f_debian>cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
20:57<r4f_debian>root@r4fdeb:~# cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
20:57<r4f_debian>1
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20:57<Ouroboros>yes, so that all looks fine
20:58<Ouroboros>are you sure you cant ping google from the vm?
20:59<Ouroboros>if not, then i am somewhat out of ideas right now
20:59<Ouroboros>you can try just cool rebooting everything in case something is stuck
20:59<Ouroboros>after that we would have to start tracing packets and seeing where it gets lost
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21:00<Ouroboros>(are some additional firewall rules configured on the real debian or virtual debian?)
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21:01<Ouroboros>wait a sec
21:02<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: can i see the output of 'virsh net-edit default'
21:03<jmcnaught>virsh net-dumpxml default
21:03<jmcnaught>i haven't been watching the whole time, but i think that r4f_debian was able to ping the gateway from inside the VM?
21:04<jmcnaught>can the host system ping the VM's IP address?
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21:05<somiaj>Is there any special network settings needed when using the default virtual network and iptables setting up routing (my experience was using a bridge so I'm not in a virtual network) (I haven't been following much either).
21:05<jmcnaught>my experience with libvirt is that the default network allows guest domains to access the internet out of the box
21:05<jmcnaught>but i've never used the gnome-boxes front end
21:05<Ouroboros>i think the problem is that his iptables and his vm are using differnt private ip ranges for some reason
21:05<Ouroboros>i have no idea how that happened
21:06<Ouroboros>does gnome-boxes override it somehow? i dunno
21:06<somiaj>Just double checking. That was my understanding was using the default libvirt virtual network worked out of the box with nat
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21:06<somiaj>I'm not use to gnome-boxes. I do recall suggest just to use virtual-manager yesterday though.
21:07<somiaj>(my hope it is would be easier to use than virsh)
21:07<Ouroboros>well, initially there were no iptables rules
21:07<Ouroboros>maybe the default network was never started at all
21:08<jmcnaught>the default network does not autostart on a fresh install
21:08<Ouroboros>now, it seems to be using 192.* but the guest is configured with 10.*
21:08<Ouroboros>yeah, i figured
21:08<Ouroboros>but dhcp server is still up?
21:09<jmcnaught>http://paste.debian.net/879152/ is my 'virsh net-dumpxml default' (i've added a couple of MAC address rules and a bootp)
21:09<jmcnaught>Ouroboros: no, the dhcp server (which is dnsmasq) is started when the network is started
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21:10<Ouroboros>so where did it get that 10.0.2.* ip
21:10<jmcnaught>"virsh net-autostart default" to make the network start on boot (or click the boxes in virt-manager)
21:10<jmcnaught>Ouroboros: that's a good question. have we seen the guest's /e/n/interfaces file?
21:10<Ouroboros>no
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21:11*Ouroboros slaps r4f_debian
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21:15<r4f_debian>Hi Ouroboros, sorry, there was people in the gate here
21:16<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: first, can we see /etc/network/interfaces in the vm
21:16<Ouroboros>and ifconfig -a again
21:16<r4f_debian>I had to interrupt our analysis here, now I will show you, just one moment
21:16<Ouroboros>jmcnaught: also, should he be using virtio?
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21:18<r4f_debian>Ouroboros: http://imgur.com/a/FhBpu
21:18<jmcnaught>Ouroboros: virtio might be a little faster, probably doesn't matter much
21:18<Ouroboros>one of those guides says the default network can fail under load
21:19<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: on, on the virtual debian
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21:20<r4f_debian>oh, sorry, forgot about this :(
21:22<r4f_debian>Ouroboros: http://imgur.com/a/j9AmU
21:23<r4f_debian>now, ifconfig -a
21:23<Ouroboros>see, this interfaces.d thing is annoyinhg
21:24<r4f_debian>oh
21:25<r4f_debian>ifconfig -a shows the same status that the first time we saw it
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21:26<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: 'cat /etc/network/interfaces.d/*'
21:26<r4f_debian>Rx packets: 7 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
21:26<r4f_debian>ok
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21:26<jmcnaught>r4f_debian: in your /etc/network/interfaces on the debian guest VM, you need to add two lines: 'auto eth0' and 'iface eth0 inet dhcp'
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21:27<r4f_debian>cat /etc/network/interfaces.d/*: No such file or directory
21:27<Ouroboros>wait
21:28<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: when you did this: https://imgur.com/a/wGS4H, was that on real or virtual
21:28<r4f_debian>ok
21:28<Ouroboros>i think the former :P
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21:32<r4f_debian>Ouroboros, this is virtual Debian
21:32<r4f_debian>in vm this screen
21:32<Ouroboros>really..
21:32<r4f_debian>yes
21:32<r4f_debian>eh, it was to be done in Real Debian ?
21:33<r4f_debian>oh, quite confused here !
21:33<r4f_debian>ehheheh
21:33<r4f_debian>sorry, lol, my Pantanos juice mede me feel bad here
21:33<Ouroboros>no
21:33<r4f_debian>stomachache
21:33<r4f_debian>this screen is from vmachine
21:33<Ouroboros>jmcnaught: i dont think debian assigns any default ip?
21:34<Ouroboros>maybe there is some old lease file? i dunno
21:34<jmcnaught>Ouroboros: the VM might be using network-manager, but without something like NM, or configuring /e/n/interfaces, or using systemd-networkd, Debian will not configure networking
21:35<Ouroboros>just trying to figure out where the 10.0.2 thing came from
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21:37<Ouroboros>nm and networkd still store stuff in interfaces? or no
21:37<jmcnaught>no they have their own configuration files
21:37<Ouroboros>would jessie use networkd by default?
21:38<jmcnaught>by default network-manager on Debian ignores interfaces defined in /e/n/interfaces. systemd-networkd is disabled by default on jessie
21:39<r4f_debian>spice://127.0.0.1?port=5900;
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21:41<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: 'systemctl status systemd-networkd' (on virtual)
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21:44<kev>Hello all, I have a question about kernel taint and using the wl driver. I Installed the wl driver for my stupid dell and now I can't get it to work. dmesg gets flooded with WLC_SCAN errors and I don't know what to do. Here's the paste: https://paste.debian.net/879171/
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21:45<r4f_debian>State: running
21:45<Ouroboros>hm, how did that happen
21:46<r4f_debian>Jobs: 0 queued, Failed: 0 units
21:46<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: what debian is this again
21:46<r4f_debian>sorry, some keyboard trouble here
21:46<r4f_debian>and a large tree with tons of information
21:46<Ouroboros>dont need any more
21:47<jmcnaught>r4f_debian: did you type "systemctl status" without the systemd-networkd argument?
21:47<somiaj>kev: What wifi card do you have? Any reason you can't use the drivers included in the debian kernels?
21:47<jmcnaught>kev: were you following these instructions? https://wiki.debian.org/wl
21:47<r4f_debian>let me see here jmcnaught
21:48-!-mode/#debian [+l 745] by debhelper
21:48<r4f_debian>yes, I got this mistake, sorry
21:48<r4f_debian>sorry for that Ouroboros
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21:48<r4f_debian>will to it again here
21:48<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: (i dont have systemd here, so i cant test those commands)
21:48<kev>somiaj: Yes, I am stuck with two laptops with broadcom cards that need the wl driver.
21:49<kev>jmcnaught: Yes I have it open right now
21:49<r4f_debian>got wrong here
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21:50<Ouroboros>i wouldnt call systemd wrong, but to each his own :)
21:51<r4f_debian>Ouroboros, but at now, I don't intend to use gnome-boxes for now. Wil try other option, such as KVM or other
21:51<r4f_debian>gnome-boxes behaves something like strange
21:51<Ouroboros>no no
21:51<Ouroboros>gnome-boxes is not the issue here
21:51<r4f_debian>no ?
21:52<Ouroboros>lets just finish this
21:52<r4f_debian>my Real Debian is damaged ?
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21:52<jmcnaught>kev: did this happen after a suspend or hibernate?
21:52<Ouroboros>no, some network settings are just wrong somewhere
21:52<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: so what does 'systemctl status systemd-networkd' say
21:54<kev>jmcnaught: nope, I followed the guide for the wl driver, configured the supplicant and then restarted the computer.
21:55<jmcnaught>kev: can you please show us "lspci -nnk | grep -i net" ?
21:55<kev>one sec
21:55<r4f_debian>Ouroboros: http://imgur.com/a/UolSY
21:55<jmcnaught>r4f_debian: my advice is to configure /etc/network/interfaces on the guest VM by adding these two lines "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp". Then on the guest, run "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0", then test networking again
21:56<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: i agree ^^
21:56<jmcnaught>r4f_debian: the /etc/network/interfaces on your guest VM should look exactly like http://paste.debian.net/879183/
21:56<r4f_debian>ok jmcnaught, Ouroboros told me to do that, the same procedure here
21:56<Ouroboros>networkd is not running, so maybe that ip came from n-m, i dunno
21:56<kev>https://paste.debian.net/879194/
21:56<Ouroboros>but once we set interfaces, it shouldnt matter
21:57<r4f_debian>jmcnaught, is that yours ?
21:57<r4f_debian>http://paste.debian.net/879183/ ?
21:58<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: make yours be like that (on the virtual debian)
21:58<jmcnaught>kev: thanks. i should have included -A2 in the grep command but it's okay
21:58<r4f_debian>ok Ouroboros
21:58<jmcnaught>,pciid 14e4:4315
21:58<judd>[14e4:4315] is 'BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY' from 'Broadcom Limited' with kernel module 'ssb' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4315 http://wiki.debian.org/wl and the out-of-tree 'wl' module.
21:58<r4f_debian>as you suggested before and also jmcnaught, right ?
21:59<Ouroboros>i didnt suggest it per se
21:59<jmcnaught>kev: well, that card is listed on the wl wiki page and judd says it's the correct driver.
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21:59<Ouroboros>but that is how i would do it
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21:59<Ouroboros>i would investigate some more where that ip came from, but its taking too long over irc
22:00<kev>does that mean I should load the ssb driver?
22:00<r4f_debian>I think you've thought something like that Ouroboros
22:00<r4f_debian>well, perhaps I'm wrong, quite tired here lol
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22:00<jmcnaught>kev: no. but https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx does say you can use a driver built into the Debian kernel if you install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package
22:01<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: i think a lot of things... terrible dark things
22:01<Ouroboros>but this isnt about me
22:01<r4f_debian>hey, Ouroboros, what do you mean ?
22:01<jmcnaught>kev: so i would purge broadcom-sta-dkms, make sure it didn't leave behind any blaclists in /etc/modprobe.d/ then install that package (following the instructions on the above wiki page)
22:02<kev>ok I will try it out
22:02<r4f_debian>sorry, just for curiosity, Ouroboros, where are you from ?
22:02<jmcnaught>kev: your pciid 14e4:4315 is listed on the https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx page, it should work better than the out of tree wl driver that needs to be compiled by DKMS
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22:05<kev>jmcnaught: sorry if this seems lazy but before I just start removing things, how should I best purge the wl driver with all it's deps?
22:05<kev>*safely
22:06<jmcnaught>kev: if you "apt-get purge broadcom-sta-dkms" package that should remove its config files. Then apt-get will tell you there are auto installed packages that could be removed with "apt-get autoremove" (verify it doesn't want to remove something important before answering yes, as always)
22:07<kev>perfect just making sure
22:08<kev>sudo apt-get autoremove
22:08<jmcnaught>kev: it's likely that broadcom-sta-dkms put files in /etc/modprobe.d/ to blacklist other modules. Purging the package should remove them, but i would double check
22:08<kev>whoops
22:08<kev>ok
22:08<kev>thank you btw
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22:08<jmcnaught>cheers
22:08<Ouroboros>hunter14 :P
22:09<Ouroboros>does 'purge' only do something if in fact there are config files left over?
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22:09<jmcnaught>Ouroboros: it will remove a package that is installed
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22:10<Ouroboros>right, but i mean, if its not installed and there is nothing to purse, it just says "is not installed, so not removed"
22:10<Ouroboros>which is nice
22:10<r4f_debian>Well, Really thanks for extensive Support and attention, Ouroboros, I will read and analyze my System here according your instructions and jmcnaught too
22:10<r4f_debian>See you ! :)
22:10<Ouroboros>...
22:11<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: we are like 2 commands away from this working
22:11<r4f_debian>only two commands ?
22:12<Ouroboros>maybe less, heh
22:15<r4f_debian>well, I'm in automatic mode, sleeping whereas follow your Support, but let's go on ! lol
22:15<r4f_debian>past night, only less than 2 hours sleeping
22:16<jmcnaught>r4f_debian: get some sleep, when you come back to the problem use one of the methods in https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration on the guest VM
22:16<Ouroboros>no, i want my dogecoins
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22:16<r4f_debian>ahahahahahahhaha
22:17<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: did you make your interfaces file like that of jmcnaught
22:17<r4f_debian>let me see the concept of dogecoins first
22:17<r4f_debian>not yet, let me try it here
22:17<r4f_debian>my advice is to configure /etc/network/interfaces on the guest VM by adding these two lines "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp". Then on the guest, run "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0", then test networking again
22:17<kev>alright jmcnaught I'm going to reboot and see if I have better luck, brb
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22:21<r4f_debian>Please, Ouroboros and jmcnaught, take a look on it: http://imgur.com/a/UGZiG
22:21<r4f_debian>is that right ?
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22:22<Ouroboros>looks ok
22:22<Ouroboros>now just do 'ifdown eth0; ifup eth0; ifconfig eth0'
22:23<Ouroboros>(in the virtual)
22:24<r4f_debian>ifdown eth0: "ifdown: interface eth0 not configured"
22:25<Ouroboros>thats fine
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22:26<r4f_debian>my advice is to configure /etc/network/interfaces on the guest VM by adding these two lines "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp". Then on the guest, run "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0", then test networking again
22:27<Ouroboros>so does it work now
22:27<r4f_debian>I did all the procedures as jmcnaught and you Ouroboros told me to, but network doesn't work for virtual systems
22:27<Ouroboros>what is the output of 'ifconfig -a' now
22:27<r4f_debian>should I reboot the syste, ?
22:28<r4f_debian>gnome-boxes ?
22:28<Ouroboros>no
22:28<Ouroboros>what is the output of ifconfig on the vm
22:28<r4f_debian>the same as before
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22:29<r4f_debian>and network is not running here
22:29<kev>Ok so the b43 is loaded but I can't get the interface name to put in /etc/network/interfaces
22:29<kev>is it ssb0?
22:29<r4f_debian>'ifdown eth0; ifup eth0; ifconfig eth
22:29<r4f_debian>I did it, Ouroboros
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22:30<jmcnaught>kev: it will be listed by "ip link"
22:30<kev>jmcnaught: beauty
22:31<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: when you did that, was there some output in the terminal about DHCP?
22:31<r4f_debian>as I remember, no
22:32<Ouroboros>are you sure you saved the interfaces file
22:32<r4f_debian>sure
22:33<r4f_debian>c
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22:33<r4f_debian>I added the lines in that configuration file and saved it
22:33<r4f_debian>then ran the commands and tested connection
22:34<r4f_debian>but it didn't work here
22:34<jmcnaught>r4f_debian: can you show us the result of those commands and how you tested the connection?
22:34<Ouroboros>can you run ifdown eth0; ifup eth0; ifconfig eth0' and paste the screenshot of that
22:34<Ouroboros>something doesnt make sense
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22:34<r4f_debian>yes, I will repeat the procedures and paste again, just one moment, please
22:35<Ouroboros>could n-m be interfering?
22:35<Ouroboros>shouldnt be, but..
22:36<kev>jmcnaught: https://paste.debian.net/879394/
22:37<r4f_debian>http://imgur.com/a/Q7k61
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22:38<jmcnaught>kev: rfkill means the radio is disabled. it can be a hardware switch on the laptop, a keyboard shortcut. there's also a rfkill tool you can use to control it
22:38<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: and the rest
22:39<r4f_debian>http://imgur.com/a/ya7qG
22:39<r4f_debian>It looks like it is running now
22:39<Ouroboros>...
22:39<Ouroboros>jmcnaught: also, is interfaces not set up on default install anymore?
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22:41<r4f_debian>http://imgur.com/a/ya7qG
22:41<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: can you do 'virsh net-dumpxml default' on the real debian and screenshot?
22:42<Ouroboros>something still doesnt add up
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22:44<r4f_debian>Ouroborots, I'm installing packages here
22:44<jmcnaught>Ouroboros: it's been a while since i installed, but it would make sense for the installer not to configure /e/n/interfaces for desktop users using network-manager
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22:44<r4f_debian>http://imgur.com/a/iTITi
22:45<r4f_debian>Well, Ouroboros and jmcnaught are Two Angels or Two Devils ! Great ! It's running here !
22:45<jmcnaught>Ouroboros: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ifupdown.postinst creates that file, i'm not sure if the debian-installer adds to it under certain circumstances
22:45<r4f_debian>virsh net-dumpxml default
22:45<r4f_debian>ok, Ouroboros
22:46<Ouroboros>oh maybe
22:46<kev>jmcnaught: thank you so much. It's finally done
22:46<jmcnaught>kev: glad you got it working
22:46*jmcnaught wonders if gnome-boxes uses libvirt's default network at all, or another one.
22:46<Ouroboros>i dunno
22:47<Ouroboros>i dont know why it didnt work before and now it is
22:47<r4f_debian>virsh net-dumpxml default - http://imgur.com/a/Xh57A
22:47<Ouroboros>jmcnaught: see that?
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22:48<Ouroboros>well, maybe another network is running
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22:49<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: how about 'virsh net-list --all'
22:49<r4f_debian>oh, do I type it in real or virtual ?
22:49<Ouroboros>virsh is always in real, it shouldnt even exist in virtual
22:49<r4f_debian>real
22:49<r4f_debian>ok
22:49<Ouroboros>(well, it might exist, i dunno)
22:50<r4f_debian>root@r4fdeb:~# virsh net-list --all
22:50<r4f_debian> Name State Autostart Persistent
22:50<r4f_debian>----------------------------------------------------------
22:50<r4f_debian> default active no yes
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22:51<r4f_debian>sorry
22:51<r4f_debian>forgot about it
22:51<r4f_debian>let me paste it in the correct place
22:51<Ouroboros>was there more output?
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22:51<jmcnaught>Ouroboros: my casual inspection of the gnome-boxes package doesn't look like that package adds its on libvirt network. It's possible it does this on first run.
22:52<Ouroboros>either way, i dont understand how routing is working now
22:52<Ouroboros>since masquerade was only for 192.*
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22:54<r4f_debian>http://imgur.com/a/Xh57A
22:55<Ouroboros>thats same link as before
22:56<r4f_debian>sorry, what other would you like, Ouroboros ?
22:56<Ouroboros>the one for net-list
22:57<r4f_debian>sorry, what is the command ? Quite exhausted here
22:57<r4f_debian>got any confusion because of that
22:58<Ouroboros>'virsh net-list --all'
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22:59<jmcnaught>I installed gnome-boxes, it uses a user session of libvirt, not the system one. So "virsh -c qemu:///session" (instead of the qemu:///system)
23:00<jmcnaught>so we've been thinking it should use the system libvirt's default network, when it's actually using something running in the user's session
23:00<r4f_debian>virsh net-list --all - it returns: http://imgur.com/a/VScBV
23:00<Ouroboros>hmmm
23:01<r4f_debian>Ouroboros, what did you think now about it ?
23:01<r4f_debian>this last screenshot ?
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23:02<Ouroboros>jmcnaught: yeah, i did not realize the session thing was significant
23:02<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: can you try 'virsh -c qemu:///session net-dumpxml default'
23:03<r4f_debian>yes
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23:04<r4f_debian>Ouroboros XXIV.png - > http://imgur.com/a/g1fce
23:04<Ouroboros>ha
23:05<r4f_debian>ok, and then ? Tell me, please, what you've found there
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23:06<jmcnaught>Ouroboros: of course, now that i've got gnome-boxes running a debian VM, "virsh -c qemu:///system net-list --all" doesn't list a network, so i still don't know where its network is coming from
23:06<Ouroboros>jmcnaught: should my command above list it? it seems to have returned the system one again
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23:07<Ouroboros>jmcnaught: do you have nat masquerade in your iptables now?
23:07<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: sorry, something is confusing now
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23:08<r4f_debian>what exactly, Ouroboros ?
23:08<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: well, the private IP in the network info from virsh doesnt match the private IP in the vm
23:08<r4f_debian>about what jmcnaught said, ' still don't know where its network is coming from ? '
23:09<Ouroboros>and also there seem to be two different config spaces for virsh
23:09<Ouroboros>but i dont know how that works exactly, i dont have it installed here
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23:09<Ouroboros>jmcnaught: or in user mode, it uses some other mechanism to route instead of iptables nat?
23:10<r4f_debian>well, and these configurations just apply to Debian virtual, or to the other OS installed ?
23:10<Ouroboros>everything
23:10<r4f_debian>I see
23:10<Ouroboros>once we are done you should be able to get freebsd to work too
23:12<jmcnaught>Ouroboros: i don't have a masquerade rule. the gnome-boxes vm has a 10.0.2.0/24 IP address. the qemu command line for the process includes "-netdev user". so libvirt's default network is not used at all
23:12<Ouroboros>ok
23:12<Ouroboros>well
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23:13<Ouroboros>maybe the only issue then was the networking was not fully configured in debian guest?
23:13<Ouroboros>and then ifdown; ifup fixed it?
23:13<r4f_debian>yes, that is what I intended to do, FreeBSD is running and installing packages too
23:13<Ouroboros>oh
23:13<Ouroboros>well, hell, i dunno :)
23:13<r4f_debian>now there is network for both, FreeBSD and Debian
23:14<r4f_debian>yes, sure, Debian is downloading packages now !
23:14<jmcnaught>yes, i think the issue the whole time is that networking did not get configured on the guest
23:14<r4f_debian>let me paste it to yours here
23:14<Ouroboros>jmcnaught: but how do we explain that fbsd didnt work either and now its working
23:15<r4f_debian>http://imgur.com/a/p5N4Y
23:15<jmcnaught>Ouroboros: i don't know, but i don't think i've got the whole picture either
23:15<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: after you are dont installing packages, try to do 'virsh net-destroy default' and see if it is still working after that
23:15<Ouroboros>*done
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23:16<Ouroboros>the the thing is, debian *had* the same ip before
23:16<r4f_debian>ok, but, please, why to do this procedure, since its working now ?
23:16<r4f_debian>sure is for testing, but how is this test ?
23:17<Ouroboros>jmcnaught: so something was configuring it, i guess n-m
23:17<r4f_debian>you have to destroy net again and recreate it ?
23:17<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: no, just destroy
23:17<r4f_debian>ok
23:17<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: since we think its not using that network anyway
23:17<Ouroboros>so to confirm that
23:18<r4f_debian>ok. after that you are going to pay dogecoins for me and to jmcnaught ?
23:18<Ouroboros>alas, i am rich in irc advice, but in poor dogecoins
23:18<Ouroboros>jmcnaught: how is your /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
23:18<r4f_debian>ehehehehe ,lol
23:20<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: the thing is, this is all going to happen again after you reboot
23:20<jmcnaught>Ouroboros: 1
23:21<Ouroboros>so we need to isolate what we actually did to fix it
23:21<Ouroboros>jmcnaught: do you need it for something else? can you set to 0 and see if still working?
23:22<jmcnaught>Ouroboros: from what i understand, the usermode networking that gnome-boxes is using (qemu really) would work just like any other program using the network
23:23<r4f_debian>I see
23:23<Ouroboros>yeah
23:23<Ouroboros>so i dont think anything we did with virsh would have had any effect
23:24<Ouroboros>or lets say 'shouldnt' have any effect
23:24<Ouroboros>who knows what may have been started or restarted
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23:25<Ouroboros>jmcnaught: so for you, it just worked? you didnt have to start any network
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23:26<jmcnaught>Ouroboros: well, i'm just running the debian installer, but yeah everything just works
23:27<Ouroboros>well, the installer also worked for r4f_debian i think
23:27<jmcnaught>also setting /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward to 0 has no effect on gnome-boxes VM
23:27<Ouroboros>whatever, we did too much stuff and now we will never figure it out :)
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23:28<r4f_debian>rebooting gnome-boxes here
23:28<jmcnaught>(ip_forward does need to be 1 for the system libvirt default network to work though)
23:28<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: anyway, you should destroy the default network since you dont need it
23:28<Ouroboros>jmcnaught: right
23:29<Ouroboros>i am not sure i like this usermode networking anyway
23:30<r4f_debian>I see, Ouroboros, you refer to that command found in the 'Troubleshooting' session from the website you've found
23:30<Ouroboros>yeah
23:30<r4f_debian>ok
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23:33<r4f_debian>Ouroboros and jmcnaught, gnome-boxes is connecting to network fine now !
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23:34<Ouroboros>jmcnaught: i am also not clear how this is related to the 'user' network mode
23:35<Ouroboros>i mean, when the guest is configured with interface type=user, is it always this usermode network
23:35<r4f_debian>but I'm just going to really get a better understanding of what has been done for you, what worked and what did not matter to the original problem, after I've rested a bit.
23:35<r4f_debian>At the moment, this is impossible
23:35<Ouroboros>or how do you use the system virtlib network in nat mode
23:35<jmcnaught>Ouroboros: i just installed jessie in gnome-boxes, without a desktop (just the standard utils task). It did add eth0 to /e/n/interfaces. Also getting a 10.0.2.2 address. Also cannot route (but netinst downloaded packages okay).
23:36<Ouroboros>ok
23:36<Ouroboros>that is interesting
23:36<jmcnaught>actually.. it's just ICMP ping i cannot do. i can resolve DNS, and use ssh
23:36<Ouroboros>ah
23:36<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: when you said it wasnt working, did you only try ping?
23:36<Ouroboros>originally
23:37<Ouroboros>maybe ping just isnt implemented
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23:38<r4f_debian>sure it works now
23:38<r4f_debian>let me ping it and paste to yours
23:38<Ouroboros>hm
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23:39<jmcnaught>http://wiki.qemu.org/Documentation/Networking#User_Networking_.28SLIRP.29
23:40<r4f_debian>http://imgur.com/a/j9DnJ
23:40<jmcnaught>this mystery is solved to my satisfaction at least
23:40<r4f_debian>bad news, jmcnaught, see this screen: http://imgur.com/a/j9DnJ
23:41<jmcnaught>r4f_debian: it's normal for ping not to work. test connectivity by some other means, like wget, or with a browser
23:41<r4f_debian>ok, but why doesn't it work ? ping....
23:41<r4f_debian>in fact, it installs
23:41<r4f_debian>and opens browser
23:42<Ouroboros>isnt icmp needed for some ip protocol functionality? maybe i am remember wrong
23:45<r4f_debian>http://imgur.com/a/5YFKq
23:45<r4f_debian>In fact, it's working
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23:45<r4f_debian>for both systems
23:46<Ouroboros>yes, everything should work except ping
23:46<Ouroboros>(and other icmp stuff)
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23:49<jmcnaught>the moral of this story, is that ICMP pings alone are not sufficient to test connectivity
23:49<Ouroboros>indeed
23:49<r4f_debian>yes
23:50<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: sorry we wasted 4 hours :P
23:52<r4f_debian>Oh, Ouroboros and jmcnaught but you have fixed my issue here ! :)
23:52<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: you should also do this at at some point p://imgur.com/a/5YFKq
23:52<Ouroboros>[20:47:01] <r4f_debian> In fact, it's working
23:52<Ouroboros>[20:47:05] * coldtobi (~tobi@
23:52<Ouroboros>damnit
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23:52<r4f_debian>well, it's like I always say, Debian Warriors are the best, you two only confirm it again for me, but now I need to go get some rest.
23:52<r4f_debian>It's not easy to follow you two
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23:52<jmcnaught>r4f_debian: good night
23:52<r4f_debian>:)
23:52<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: you should also do this at at some point https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Networking#Use_virtio_for_Ubuntu_or_Windows_guests
23:53<r4f_debian>I will Ouroboros, and will study and read about everything you've done here today
23:53<r4f_debian>in fact, being Debian System Administrator is really Hard Working
23:54<r4f_debian>Nice to meet you again jmcnaught ! :)
23:54<r4f_debian>Pleasure to know and meet you here by the first time, Ouroboros ! :)
23:54<Ouroboros>i am still not clear about all the different network types it supports and how to configure them
23:54<Ouroboros>i think its somewhat dependent on your vm manager
23:54<r4f_debian>well, we will discover about this all long the time
23:54<r4f_debian>but the most difficult was done here today
23:54<Ouroboros>there is also this: http://wiki.libvirt.org/page/VirtualNetworking
23:55<r4f_debian>despite the fact it took about 4 hours
23:55<r4f_debian>yes, I will read it too
23:55<Ouroboros>r4f_debian: yeah, but we didnt actually do anything :)
23:55<r4f_debian>Really Thanks you Two !
23:56<r4f_debian>oh, through a pragmatical point of view, in fact you did ! My gnome-boxes is connecting now !
23:56<Ouroboros>it did before as well
23:56<r4f_debian>Must go now, see you Ouroboros and jmcnaught ! God Bless you two !
23:56<r4f_debian>:)
23:56<Ouroboros>what we really should have done is investigate why ping didnt work and/or try http before we went to host network configuration stuff
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23:57<Ouroboros>my mistake
23:57<r4f_debian>we can simulate it again in other occasion, I just have to install gnome-boxes again and we can repeat the whole procedures applied here today, and investigate others
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23:58<Ouroboros>ultimately i think you should switch to the tap network type
23:58<Ouroboros>but thats beyond the scope of today
23:59<r4f_debian>Surely !
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23:59<r4f_debian>and you need a rest too, Ouroboros, I think that's the same for jmcnaught :)
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