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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-10-17

---Logopened Mon Oct 17 00:00:03 2016
00:00<r4f_debian>See you, hope to see about your computational acoustics project one day
00:00<r4f_debian>Bye !
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00:10<_0>hi, all!
00:11<gry>Greetings.
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01:41<anonymous>slt
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03:39<txgvnn>Sorry, i have a problem with apt
03:39<txgvnn>today, when i update `apt-get update`
03:39<txgvnn>There're same error
03:39<txgvnn>Look like : W: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/non-free/source/Sources Hash Sum mismatch
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03:41<txgvnn>Could anyone explain for me?
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03:45<piper>txgvnn: unless you have a typo above have you tried http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/non-free/source/
03:46<txgvnn>Omg, i don't think deb.debian.org is not working
03:47<piper>it is working, i use it
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03:48<txgvnn>piper: Yep, it have been work
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03:49<piper>i use it in sid
03:49<piper>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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04:12<stevenm_>hey if something has overridden /etc/issue - is there any other place on the system it exists so I can restore it? (e.g. regardless of which debian version)
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04:18<Ouroboros>stevenm_: do not think so, but you could regen it from say /etc/debian_version
04:18<stevenm_>Ouroboros, is the way it is originally generated available someplace? or is it a static file in a package?
04:21<Echoz>for me it says: Debian GNU/Linux 8 \n \l
04:21<Echoz>And then two newlines
04:22<Ouroboros>i am gonna say it is static
04:22<Echoz>it seems so
04:22<Ouroboros>but its easy to generate from /etc/debian_version or uname
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04:23<Ouroboros>stevenm_: also, there is an almost identical file /etc/issue.net, just append the \n \l
04:23<jm_>dpkg -S /etc/issues tells you it's from base-files
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04:24<Ouroboros>ah nice command
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04:25<Ouroboros>https://lists.debian.org/debian-hurd/2000/08/msg00160.html | how to generate and/or print it
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04:27<Ouroboros>heh 'dpkg -S' just greps all the stuff in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list
04:27<Echoz>http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/postlfs/logon.html and here are some of the support escape sequences, it seems
04:28<Echoz>you could also look at /etc/issue.net for the original contents, except this doesn't seem to contain any escape sequences
04:30<Ouroboros>i alrady said that, you bastard
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04:32<jm_>yes, that's how dpkg -S works, for non-installed packages use apt-file
04:32<Ouroboros>i've been using dpkg -L quite a bit recently
04:33<Ouroboros>and also dpkg -x -e
04:34<Ouroboros>actually, is there an apt command to list files directly? instead of having to download and dpkg -x
04:34<Ouroboros>oh, i guess apt-file does that too
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04:35<jm_>apt-file downloads Contents* files and looks in there
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04:36<Ouroboros>list Alias for list. | ok
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04:41<stevenm_>jm_, what I might do then is somehow protect /etc/issues before I install this particular package which overrides it - would chmod 000 perhaps do?
04:41<stevenm_>then take such a restriction off afterwards
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04:48<Ouroboros>better copy it elsewhere
04:49<stevenm_>Ouroboros, and just copy it back after?
04:49<Ouroboros>chmod 0 will not protect it if they just move something on top, you have to set /etc permissions for that
04:49<Ouroboros>yeah
04:50<AndChat424041>hi guys who have a laptop with a hybrid graphics intel + ati?
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04:51<Ouroboros>stevenm_: although i dont know why any standard package would overwrite it (unless its another version of base-files)
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04:52<stevenm_>Ouroboros, technically another package isn't - it's a service which after package installs that does... a service I immediately disable when it's installed - but unforunately it installs and immediately runs
04:53<stevenm_>*which another package install that does
04:53<Ouroboros>this is a package from standard debian repos?
04:53<stevenm_>literally all the "service" does is change the issue file
04:53<stevenm_>no it's not
04:53<Ouroboros>ah ok
04:54<stevenm_>i wish i could tell systemctl to disable the service - before it actually exists :S
04:54<Ouroboros>yeah, so move and move back is what i would do
04:54<Ouroboros>i mean, there are probably more sophisticated solutions
04:55<stevenm_>Ouroboros, i've thought perhaps store /etc/issue in a variable (easy to do) and then echo/printf it back out after... trouble is the \n gets interpreted lol
04:55<andrey>I can't find driver for intel hd graphics 530, jessie-backports are added to sources.list, newer 4.7 kernel is installed.
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04:55<Ouroboros>stevenm_: i mean, why... just move it
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04:59<jm_>andrey: is that skylake? I think xserver-xorg-video-intel from bpo helped someone with that
05:00<andrey>jm_: xserver-xorg-video-intel is also installed
05:00<jm_>andrey: from bpo?
05:00<Ouroboros>stevenm_: for static file conflicts, there is also a dpkg-divert, but since its a service, i am not sure
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05:02<andrey>jm_: I don't know. How to install it from bpo?
05:05<stevenm_>Ouroboros, i've tested - it seems chattr +i /etc/issue will prevent the service from meddling with it
05:05<stevenm_>that'll do :)
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05:06<Ouroboros>ok, that works
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05:07<Ouroboros>a lot of interesting stuff there
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05:14<AndChat424041>Hello brothers
05:15<AndChat424041>Who use notebook intel+ati hybrid graphic ?
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05:37<jm_>andrey: what is its version?
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05:43<andrey>jm_: Where can I find this information? Command "aptitude search xserver-xorg-video-intel" just writes "i xserver-xorg-video-intel - X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver".
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05:44<pinaraf>andrey: aptitude show xserver-xorg-video-intel
05:45<jm_>andrey: dpkg -s xserver-xorg-video-intel
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05:48<andrey>jm_: Version: 2:2.99.917+git20160706-1~bpo8+1
05:48<jm_>andrey: that is the latest one, if that one doesn't work I have no idea which one would
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05:54<towo^work>for skylake the ddx is not enougth, you need also firmware
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05:59<thecat>I am trying to recompile dbus-1.6.8 on without systemd on Wheezy
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05:59<thecat>I have added --disable-systemd into debian/rules
05:59<thecat>and then I build the package using dpkg-buildpackage
05:59<thecat>the compilation seems to go well, but at the very end it fails with:
05:59<thecat>dpkg-buildpackage: error: fakeroot debian/rules binary gave error exit status 2
05:59<thecat>cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/debian/tmp/lib/systemd/system/dbus.service': No such file or directory
05:59<thecat>dh_install: cp -a debian/tmp/debian/tmp/lib/systemd/system/dbus.service debian/dbus//lib/systemd/system/ returned exit
06:00<thecat>looks like some post-compilation script is not aware that I am compiling without systemd
06:00<thecat>and tries to copy some nonexistent files
06:02<jm_>--disable-systemd is just for configure no? that won't help with other changes you'll have to make yourself
06:03<thecat>jm_: could you please suggest where I should look for the scripts that needs to be modified ?
06:04<jm_>thecat: should be right in the rules file, it even tells you that it's dh_install that ran into issues
06:04<jm_>«man dh_install» will tell you which files to look for
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08:41<Jairson>If I have any questions related to the debian terminal, would this be a good channel or is there a channel that would be better geared toward questions in that area?
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08:44<themill>just ask!
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08:47<Jairson>>,> I don't actually have any questions at the momet, I'm just currently teaching myself how to use and understand the unix/linux shell
08:47<Jairson>I suppose if anyone has any good reccomendations for books that would be really helpful
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08:52<themill>!general cli tutorial
08:52<dpkg>http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/ http://linuxcommand.org http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/ http://tldp.org/LDP/GNU-Linux-Tools-Summary/html/index.html http://bhami.com/rosetta.html
08:53<themill>!debian handbook
08:53<dpkg>The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also can be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>.
08:53<themill>Jairson: ^^ there are lots of resources available
08:55<Jairson>Thank you very much, I'll take a look through these as soon as I get the chance
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10:21<doflamingo>hello, can you help me.. my inkscape 0.9.1 seems still use uniconvertor.. it said that 0.9.1 can import .cdr natively?
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10:25<babilen>doflamingo: I'd try #inkscape on freenode for support with their program
10:25<babilen>(it's also not entirely clear what the problem is)
10:27<doflamingo>babilen got no answer there at #inkscape
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10:28<doflamingo>that's why i come here.. hehe
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10:32<babilen>doflamingo: So, you installed inkscape from jessie-backports and believe that "[it] can import .cdr natively". You then continued to do $SOMETHING which convinced you that it doesn't, because "[it] still use[s] uniconvertor"
10:32<babilen>Is that correct? What is that $SOMETHING you did?
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10:45<doflamingo>yes babilen.. is that backport package not same as upstream?
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10:50<doflamingo>babilen i thought that removing uniconvertor is safe because it said that inkscape 0.91 use libcdr instead.. and can import .cdr natively
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10:53<doflamingo>i removed uniconvertor and when i try to import cdr got unexpected error
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11:10<doflamingo>i read the libcdr package description: libcdr currently supports just CDR files from V7 to X3 and... WTF! i tried to import cdr from X4.. so it's still need uniconvertor?
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11:29<grummund>Is it possible to do the equivalent of apt-file search within experimental?
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11:36<bremner>grummund: you probably want #debian-next, this channel is about stable, where installing from experimental is mostly not a good idea
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12:30<xJoulesx_>hola
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12:30<xJoulesx_>hi
12:31<octal>hi
12:31<xJoulesx_>how are you octal
12:36<xJoulesx_>somebody from latinamerica?
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12:37<blast007>!chat
12:37<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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12:48<Echoz>why not #debian-offtopic?
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12:59<Misa3l>hello,,.. i need help.. y have this error. Could not find platform independent libraries <prefix> Could not find platform dependent libraries <exec_prefix> Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to <prefix>[:<exec_prefix>]
12:59<Misa3l>how to fix?
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13:04<Misa3l>help me..
13:04<Misa3l>http://paste.debian.net/882932/
13:07<jmcnaught>Misa3l: that looks like Redhat
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13:13<Misa3l>yes jmcnaught
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13:13<jmcnaught>Misa3l: you are in the Debian support channel.
13:13<mike>bonsoir
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13:14<jelly>Misa3l: ask in #centos or #rhel channel as appropriate, on irc.freenode.net server/network
13:14<Misa3l>:(
13:14<Misa3l>ok ty.
13:15<jmcnaught>Misa3l: if Debian is an option, certbot is available in jessie-backports. Good luck :)
13:15*jelly hopes jmcnaught is getting a commission from debian
13:16<jmcnaught>it's in theoretical internet dollars aka spacebucks
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13:36<blast007>Echoz: I'd assume that #debian-offtopic is still for discussions relating to Debian, just not technical support question
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13:43<Echoz>blast007: usually we talk about anything there
13:43<Echoz>blast007: just with other debian users of course
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14:26<mdx0>Hello, I'm having the problem that my stable debian sometimes freezes, what can I do? Some firmware is not yet installed.
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14:30<sney>mdx0: are you doing anything specific when it freezes?
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14:33<mdx0>the first time when I remarked it it was with: deluge and later when I looked a video.
14:33<dtw>mdx0, logs may say something: Xorg.0.log, syslog.
14:34<dtw>My system froze sometimes when I used Nouveau graphics driver.
14:34<sney>deluge and media players both tend to be somewhat ram-heavy as well, freezing could be when hitting a bad register
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14:36<mdx0>I deinstalled deluge and the freezing comes back again but very seldom only when I longer surfing but very seldom
14:39<mdx0>were I can find out which firmware are needed?
14:40<mdx0>dmesg gives some msg out
14:40<jmcnaught>mdx0: when the computer freezes are you about to switch to a virtual terminal, or connect to it from another computer (over ssh perhaps)?
14:40<jmcnaught>mdx0: "dmesg | grep firmware"
14:42<mdx0>when it freezes I can't do anything it frozen complete and anyhow I can't open a tty
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14:43<jmcnaught>mdx0: sometimes you can reboot a frozen system a little more gracefully with this: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch09.en.html#_alt_sysrq_key
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14:45<jmcnaught>mdx0: you'll need to look for log entries that precede the freeze/crash. /var/log/syslog is the first place to look. If you have enabled persistent journals you can also do "journalctl --boot=-1 --lines=20" to see the last 20 lines of the previous boot
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14:50<mdx0>since a while searching is grindingly because there to many search results. Maybe someone have some good reading stuff from first hand?
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14:55<jmcnaught>mdx0: it will be easier to research this problem if you can find a specific error message that happens right before the crash
14:59<mdx0>there are messages in: dmesg | grep firmware (some errors) and in /var/log/syslog
14:59<mdx0>are also outputs
15:04<mdx0>do somebody like take a look into the system messages?
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15:06<mdx0>in /var/log/syslog are some errors present
15:08<mdx0>many things are not configured yet
15:10<jmcnaught>mdx0: if you put them on http://paste.debian.net/ and come back with the URL then someone here might look at them
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15:16<mdx0>the command was to put in a file was again?
15:17<mdx0>wait, maybe
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15:18<mdx0>I have to read more basics
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15:21<mdx0>jmcnaught, was the command cat /var/log/syslog >> /home/syslogAE
15:21<mdx0>?
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15:22<jmcnaught>mdx0: hmmm... probably not :) what do you want to do? make a paste?
15:23<mdx0>yes, yes....and I swear I will learn much basics in future and let this pc and the others off
15:24<jmcnaught>!pastebinit
15:24<dpkg>pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
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15:24<jmcnaught>mdx0: ^^ you can use that e.g. "dmesg | grep firmware | pastebinit"
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15:25<jmcnaught>mdx0: i'm heading out, but if you put some errors into a paste then others here will help you (be patient though)
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15:25<mdx0>no problem
15:26<mdx0>thanx a lot
15:26<Jessica>Hallo
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15:29<Jessica_German_113>hallo
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15:37<mdx0>cat /var/log/syslog > /home/danstr/xy.txt is that true?
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15:40<mdx0>is there a little helper?
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15:53<bremner>cp ?
15:54<bremner>mdx0: what are you trying to accomplish?
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16:01<mdx0>I'd like to put the output from /var/log/syslog into a file but I recognize that I have to learn more basics
16:01<sney>!grounding
16:01<dpkg>Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. The Debian Administrator's Handbook is also good. Ask me about <ig>, <overview>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>, <debian-handbook> (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference).
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18:14<inkbottle>#839767
18:14<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/839767 in libtag1v5 (open): «ncmpcpp fails to start due to undefined symbol in binary»; severity: grave; opened: 2016-10-04; last modified: 2016-10-12.
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18:15<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/840680 in dirmngr (open, unreproducible, moreinfo): «dirmngr: Dirmngr not always responding»; severity: grave; opened: 2016-10-13; last modified: 2016-10-16.
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18:23<jmcnaught>inkbottle: it looks like you have a question? but you should ask in the testing channel #debian-next, this is the stable channel :)
18:25<inkbottle>jmcnaught: Hi, no I was just speaking to judd :-)
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18:25<jmcnaught>inkbottle: you can message the bot
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18:25<inkbottle>I mean I typed bug numbers so judd answered me
18:26<inkbottle>Should I have proceeded otherwise?
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18:28<jmcnaught>inkbottle: '/msg judd #839767' or you can simply append a bug number to the BTS URL the way judd did above
18:30<inkbottle>#839767
18:31<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell inkbottle about msg the bot
18:31<inkbottle>However it did answer me previously, but it doesn't want to do it anymore, sulking
18:32<jmcnaught>inkbottle: please message the bot privately, not in the channel.
18:32<inkbottle>yes got it ;-)
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18:36<inkbottle>jmcnaught: about having the answer to #840680, it didn't succeeded with syntax msg judd #839767; but it didn't succeeded neither when type directly; however sorry for the noise; I didn't knew about that, I'll try to dig the topic further, and improve myself
18:36<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/840680 in dirmngr (open, moreinfo, unreproducible): «dirmngr: Dirmngr not always responding»; severity: grave; opened: 2016-10-13; last modified: 2016-10-16.
18:37<inkbottle>anyway...
18:37<inkbottle>Thanks a lot
18:37<jmcnaught>inkbottle: judd commands are available here: http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ also in the future you should be going to #debian-next if you are a testing user.
18:38<inkbottle>Thanks a lot, will do it
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19:05<k-man>can anyone recommend a world clock desktop app?
19:06<somiaj>xclock?
19:06<somiaj>sunclock, not sure about a world clock. You want multiple clocks that show different times?
19:06<jmcnaught>gnome-clocks
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19:09<somiaj>build one with FvwmScript (/me hides)
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19:09<ryouma>emacs has one
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19:18<Ouroboros>hm, why are not all packages in /var/lib/apt/extended_states
19:18<Ouroboros>is it only ones that were automatic at some point?
19:18<somiaj>that is what I see.
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19:19<Ouroboros>kinda srange
19:19<somiaj>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=593430
19:19<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/593430 in apt (closed, patch): «apt should backup /var/lib/apt/extended_states»; severity: important; opened: 2010-08-18; last modified: 2010-10-02.
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19:20<somiaj>not that it is a bug, but it kinda explains about the new file, "Now that apt stores information about automatic installation status of
19:20<somiaj>packages in its own file in /var/lib/apt/extended_states"
19:20<somiaj>so looks like it is just a database apt can store additional info about packages, and at the time this exteneded state is just the auto flag
19:21<Ouroboros>but why have Auto-Installed flag then, or why not remove the package if it becomes manual
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19:21<Ouroboros>ok, meh
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19:33<k-man>somiaj, yes, different clocks with selectable time zone for each clock
19:34<k-man>jmcnaught, thanks, I'll give gnome-clocks a go
19:36<hewl>k-man: Have you checked out gworldclock?
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19:36<k-man>hewl, no, i will though
19:36<k-man>gnome-clocks is kinda awefule
19:36<k-man>aweful
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19:37<hewl>k-man: What DE you on? It's usually more aesthetically pleasing to choose an package that's been designed specifically for your environment.
19:38<k-man>xfce
19:38<jmcnaught>k-man: if you're in gnome-shell, on the overview you can type the name of a city to see what time it is there. e.g. <super>Berlin
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19:41<hewl>Is it better to install Wine or PlayonLinux for just running applications written for Windows?
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19:41<k-man>jmcnaught, thanks, but im on XFCE
19:41<jmcnaught>k-man: you're missing out ;)
19:41<k-man>jmcnaught, maybe... or maybe not
19:41<hewl>imminent de wars
19:42<k-man>maybe there is a plugin for kupfer
19:42<k-man>gworldclock isn't bad
19:42<jmcnaught>hewl: seems like playonlinux depends on wine
19:42<k-man>i'd kind of like an analogue clock for each city
19:43<hewl>jmcnaught: yeah, it's more just a client which automatically selects the appropriate version of wine to run certain programs, but is that worth it over just getting the latest version of wine?
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19:45<jmcnaught>hewl: if you're going to try it, i would install wine or wine-development first. (both also have newer versions in backports) and then install playonlinux after. this way you have more control over which version of wine gets installed.
19:46<hewl>jmcnaught: ok, thanks. But if it turns out wine by itself can run my programs fine I'll just stick with that
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19:48<jmcnaught>hewl: might as well. i've only used wine once or twice in the last decade. it's worth looking at the appdb on the wine website, sometimes it lists there the tweaks needed to get a program working
19:49<k-man>ryouma, re emacs having one, good suggestion, thanks
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19:49<Ouroboros>what was the deal with kfreebsd
19:49<hewl>jmcnaught: I've already done that, and it seems like I'm all good. I just need to check which version the tweaks were for versus the one in the repos.
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20:25<baloo_>ohai
20:25<baloo_>I just noticed something very weird with jessie-updates. It looks signed with the wrong key
20:26<baloo_>http://paste.debian.net/883058/
20:26<baloo_>it has propagated to a bunch of mirrors
20:27<baloo_>I'm not sure this is correct or not, either way, the "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy)" key is not included in debian-archive-keyring 2014.3 (the one I have on jessie)
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20:33<baloo_>huum please dismiss
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20:36<Ouroboros>if foo is installed and automatic, then 'apt-get install foo' causes it to become manual UNLESS it is upgraded?
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20:39<awal1>Ouroboros, I think it still manual even after an upgrade
20:40<Ouroboros>no, i mean if it is upgraded in the process of that command
20:40<Ouroboros>then its not marked manual for some reason
20:40<Ouroboros>i guess i will just use apt-mark instead
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20:41<awal1>not easy to reproduce :P
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20:41<Ouroboros>well, you just need to find an auto package that is not currently upgraded :P
20:43<awal1>all up-to-date here all the tiem :P
20:43<Ouroboros>what's the fun in that
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20:44<Ouroboros>let me guess, you lock your house and wear seat belts too
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20:44<awal1>:D
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20:49<awal1>for X reason one can chose to have an old version of x pkg, but in general you think its better to have your system non up-to-date?
20:51<Ouroboros>no, i just have a live cd from 2011
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21:14<aboulafia>hi, i can't access to my printer on firefox : localhost:631/admin
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21:17<jmcnaught>aboulafia: what happens when you try?
21:18<aboulafia>jmccroha1, I can't connect
21:19<jmcnaught>aboulafia: what is the error message? did you check if the cups service is running?
21:20<aboulafia>jmcnaught, alleluiha, i don't why but now i'm connected !!!!
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21:23<aboulafia>sorry
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21:28<how>hi everyone, I am new to this.
21:29<awal1>and?
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21:29<how>anyone here used Arch Linux?
21:31<awal1>how, this channel is debian related, stable branch, specifically
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21:32<how>I am on debian stable, just wondering how much of difference Arch Linux compare to Debian.
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21:33<awal1>how: well, debian is like a Hammer, and arch like old models of Skoda
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21:33<sney>they are different systems with different policies and development philosophies etc... you'll find some things in common like the linux kernel and the presence of stuff like desktop environments or web servers etc, but mostly you'll find differences
21:34<sney>for example, arch is intended as a 'rolling' distro, but the only place you'll find a rolling release in debian is a side effect of the development process to create the next stable release
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21:36<how>I have also tried Debian testing, and installed it on vmware, Mate is having screen redraw problem.
21:36<how>so I stay with stable.
21:37<how>I have just compiled the linux kernel on debian for the first time, so exciting.
21:37<awal1>how, this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/arch_compared_to_other_distributions#Debian is relatively objective. It doesn't respond to your question completly, but it gives you an ida
21:37<awal1>an idea ^
21:37<how>thank you, awall.
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21:38<how>and I patch rt-kernel, I am using it on vmware. took an hour to compile the kernel.
21:41<how>I have also compile libc6 using apt-build, is it the right way to do it? All I did is "sudo apt-build libc6"
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