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00:02<astronut>oh, and i was installing with guided/encrypted lvm if that matters
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00:30<astronut>jmcnaught: ok, going the route of that blog post
00:32<twb>ryouma: hdparm operates on devices, not mounts
00:34<ryouma>twb: thanks
00:34<dtw>/dev/mapper/home is not a "mount", though. It's kind of virtual device that contains a file systems which can be mounted somewhere.
00:34<ryouma>twb: and it won't destroy data?
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00:35<ryouma>dtw: good point
00:35<twb>ryouma: don't know
00:35<twb>dtw: oops, I misread
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00:36<twb>But /dev/mapper/X usually refers to LVM volumes, rather than full hard disks
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00:50<astronut>jmcnaught: no joy :(
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00:53<jmcnaught>astronut: it's far from ideal, but perhaps try installing grub to a USB stick and use it for booting while you figure it out
00:54<twb>astronut: do you have an ESP?
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00:56<astronut>twb: the partition? yes
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00:56<astronut>jmcnaught: maybe. i was gonna try to re-install ubuntu using the dell recovery cd, but i need a bigger usb stick
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00:57<twb>You could try just dropping refind in there
00:57<twb>it's much sexier than grub
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02:58<tanel>Hello
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03:03<Echoz>tanel: Hi, do you have any questions?
03:03<tanel>Not really, just trying out Debian and everything is great so far :)
03:04<tanel>Coincidentally also making friends with Irssi, hence I'm here :)
03:06<dtw>An Exim question. I used "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" to change the delivery to users maildirs. /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated looks like it's configured correctly. But mails get delivered to /var/mail Where's the problem?
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03:08<dtw>Ah, a find: If there is ~/.procmailrc file (even an empty one) the mail goes to /var/mail. Without ~/.procmailrc mail goes to ~/Maildir.
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03:38<dtw>So yes, Exim works. It's just procmail that has different defaults. With DEFAULT=$HOME/Maildir/ it would deliver this maildir by default. Thanks for watching. :-)
03:39<Ouroboros>you welcome
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03:41<Echoz>tanel: That's a good idea. Especially if you want to stay on IRC all the time to avoid missing anything and having to reconnect. For instance I run this on a server that I can ssh into from home, phone, work, etc.
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04:26<shtrb>does dhclient (4.3.1) allowed to send unknown-123 request ? when I add unknown-123 in the request field in dhclient it is not sent but if I use unknown-99 it had being sent correctly (both are civic location)
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04:36<quartz>hi im coming from arch im completely lost :D
04:36<Ouroboros>did you take a wrong turn somewhere?
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04:37<quartz>i want to simply install assaultcube but i cant find the right repository
04:37<quartz>i ve just remeber synaptics
04:37<quartz>im on busenlabs
04:37<babilen>What's busenlabs?
04:38<jm_>we only support debian here
04:38<Ouroboros>this? https://packages.debian.org/jessie/assaultcube
04:38<quartz>a debian distribution, continuation of #! crunchbang
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04:38<babilen>That's not Debian, please seek support in their channel
04:38<quartz>thanks :)
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04:39<quartz>yes its debian jessie
04:39<babilen>No, it's not. It's busenlabs.
04:39<babilen>dpkg: based on debian
04:39<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
04:39<quartz>ah ok sry
04:39<quartz>bye
04:39<quartz>and thanks
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04:40<babilen>I'm sure they have a great support channel also. I'd kindly ask you to seek support in there, rather than #debian where we only support Debian
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05:26<NCoher>SynrG, I won't do it again.
05:27<NCoher>SynrG, Are you here?
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05:33<zorro>how can i download debian packages in specified version but under ubuntu? i need that for forensics
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05:36<duclicsic>zorro: this channel is for supporting the current stable release of Debian, Ubuntu have their own irc channel, #ubuntu on freenode.
05:37<zorro>but i want download debian packages :D
05:37<zorro>maybe from website, without using any apt-get etc
05:37<SynrG>so go to packages.debian.org and download it
05:37<SynrG>or if you want a version not currently in any release, use snapshot.debian.org
05:37<duclicsic>they are not guaranteed to work on ubuntu thought
05:37<SynrG>duclicsic: "for forensics" was part of the question
05:37<SynrG>i.e. not to install, but to examine
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05:38<zorro>but yes, just debsums will use later
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05:38<duclicsic>it wasn't evident to me what "for forensics" meant
05:39<zorro>but there is no way to general download like zip=3.0-8
05:39<zorro>i mean
05:39<zorro>https://packages.debian.org/zip=3.0-8
05:39<zorro>etc for got just link to this in stable version
05:39<zorro>like with apt-get download
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05:40<SynrG>zorro: as i said, you need to look at snapshot.debian.org, as packages.debian.org doesn't keep specific versions, just the latest per release.
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05:42<MichaelPaoli>There's also http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ can get/reassemble CD, etc. ISOs back to about 3.0
05:42<MichaelPaoli>... or fetch individual packages that were on most any such ISO.
05:43<zorro>there is no possible to select in apt reppository?
05:43<zorro>i mean in command line just to download
05:43<zorro>like --apt-source=...
05:44<MichaelPaoli>If I recall correctly, there are means to configure the apt sources.list file to point to a particular repository, e.g. a particular point in time from snapshots, or perhaps in at least some cases, a particular older release version (at least going back some fair time).
05:44<zorro>http://snapshot.debian.org/package/zip/3.0-8/
05:44<zorro>i will need parse that looks like
05:45<zorro>because there path http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20131014T214913Z/pool/main/z/zip/zip_3.0-8_amd64.deb
05:45<zorro>is not so common
05:45<zorro>whatever better that nothing
05:45<zorro>curl -s http://snapshot.debian.org/package/zip/3.0-8/ | grep _amd64
05:46<MichaelPaoli>There *may* be a way to do something like that ... can pass relatively arbitrary configuration options to apt and apt-get on the command-line, notably via use of -o options, so ... likely there's a way to do that on the command line.
05:46<zorro>MichaelPaoli: yeah i found that on stackoverflow but i dont know option for that
05:46<zorro>lack of debian knowledge in that part :(
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05:48<MichaelPaoli>zorro - Hey, not exactly an operation I do every day ;-) ... I did, however, put together web site offering up, back to Debian, some packages going back to Debian 3.0 that were (or still are?) missing from the Debian archive. ...
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05:48*peter1138 sighs at systemd failing again
05:48<MichaelPaoli>... so ... *if* those have been added back into Debian archive, then one can go *all* the way fully back to Debian 3.0 and those very first 3.0 release ISOs ... if not, have to start a wee bit later in the 3.0 release.
05:50<MichaelPaoli>peter1138 Ah, systemd ... 8-O ... has worked fine for me on *almost* all of my Debian installations ... but failed miserably on (just) one of 'em ... so I went back to ye olde sysv init on that one host ... all the rest of my Debian installations are using systemd - and thus far without any issues I've noticed.
05:51<peter1138>mine mostly work, and then they get stuck in a timeout waiting for devices with fileystems on
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05:53<MichaelPaoli>peter1138 Yep, ... the one host where systemd didn't work for me, failed quite miserably around some filesystem / /etc/fstab issues. Basically it never figured out the dependencies and ordering properly. I've got ZFS atop LVM atop LUKS. Ordering in /etc/fstab is fully fine for that, but systemd - at least last I tried, never got that right.
05:53<Ahahah79>Hi
05:54<peter1138>lvm confused it generally
05:54<peter1138>but this particular box is very plain
05:54<zorro>can i from hdd check arch of debian system?
05:54<zorro>like from /etc/issue can i version
05:54<zorro>but without command
05:54<zorro>because i check in .dd image
05:55<zorro>so need be in filesystem
05:56<jm_>what is a .dd image? arhc of debian system as in architecture?
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05:57<MichaelPaoli>zorro Uhm, not quite sure what you're asking. ... hdd check arch? ... check in .dd system? ... in filesystem?
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05:58<zorro>yeah something like this
05:59<zorro>when i have access to files how check arch
05:59<zorro>like file bin/cat return me that is 64bit so I know but maybe there is better way to that
05:59<zorro>i mean what when you have just .dd image, then how you will check arch
06:02<MichaelPaoli>zorro Uhm, ... like checking filesystem raw image in a plain file, or on a device? Perhaps use of file or file -s, or blkid? That may help identify filesystem type ... may not tell one the architecture of binaries on the filesystem, though. But file(1) would likely cover that for specific executable binary files.
06:05<zorro>after mount it in noexec,ro
06:05<zorro>*s/in/with options
06:06<zorro>if i have 64bit where can i found in files (not via command like uname -a) arch as amd64?
06:06<peter1138>"A start job is running for ..." :S
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06:12<peter1138>hmm not even limiting it to 1 cpu helps this time
06:12<peter1138>(sometimes there's a concurrency issue that that resolves)
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06:13<peter1138>recovery mode boots, of course
06:15<illwieckz>zorro, by .dd image do you mean a raw copy of a block device done with dd ?
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06:17<illwieckz>if yes, do you mean a whole block device (so you have to offset to the beginning of the file system) or a partition block device (so the file system starts at block device beginning) ?
06:18<peter1138>and after installing sysvinit-core, it boots... sigh...
06:20<zorro>anyway there is another problem
06:20<zorro>how download zlib1g:amd64 1:1.2.8.dfsg-2+b1
06:20<zorro>from http://snapshot.debian.org/
06:20<zorro>http://snapshot.debian.org/package/zip/
06:20<zorro>but
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06:20<zorro>http://snapshot.debian.org/package/zlib1g/ - 404
06:20<zorro>http://snapshot.debian.org/package/zlib1g:amd64/ - 404
06:20<zorro>:[
06:22<jm_>http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/zlib1g/ ...
06:22<zorro>so i cant got general url for use in script :(
06:23<illwieckz>http://snapshot.debian.org/package/zlib/
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06:24<zorro>http://pastebin.com/cF7fmX7A
06:24<zorro>but when i have such list how do general url to download all this packages in this version
06:24<zorro>under another system (ubuntu)
06:25<zorro>looks like i need first parse http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/ when go to /package/
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06:26<zorro>there is no easy way to download that?
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06:44<jlc930>hello world
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07:11<shtrb>anyone with isc-dhcp-client experiance around, don't understand why option 123/144 are not requested ?
07:11<shtrb>no error , just sliently ignored (option 99 works)
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07:20<duclicsic>shtrb: the default config does not specify those options, you'd have to add them
07:20<shtrb>I added as unknown-123 and 144
07:20<shtrb>but they are not sent
07:20<shtrb>If I set unknown-99 it is being sent correctly
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07:21<shtrb>also tried with and without unknown-99 in the same line (123/144 are related to 99)
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07:23<duclicsic>shtrb: maybe it isn't an unknown option? I'm afraid that's about all I can guess.
07:24<duclicsic>'man dhcp-options' might have the correct option somwhere
07:24<shtrb>if a report has both unknown and declaration it auto convert to the correct declaration
07:24<zorro>hmm is not possible to download in easy way packages in same version on other OS
07:25<shtrb>duclicsic the only option I didn't try was to set using eval
07:26<duclicsic>it sounds like you're more familiar with it than I am, doubt I'll be any help
07:26<shtrb>I'm here , I'm glad for any help I could get
07:26<shtrb>but thanks anyway
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07:27<zorro>what about verify debian packages signatures ?
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07:30<bremner>!apt-secure
07:30<dpkg>[apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6, <APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all archives. See http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt , "man apt-secure" and chapter 7 of the Securing Debian Manual (ask me about <securing debian>) for more information. The archive signing key can be found at https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html . See also <key>, <no public key>.
07:30<bremner>zorro: ^
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07:34<zorro>omg
07:34<zorro>there is also no easy way to verify just .deb file :<?
07:37<bremner>zorro: not really. What problem are you trying to solve?
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07:40<zorro>verify if .deb packages don't contain malware etc
07:41<zorro>if are real 1:1
07:42<shtrb>zorro, compare the checksum against what exist in the server (to catch repackaging) , to check the actuall source code forget about it
07:43<zorro>but how do this most easy
07:43<zorro>there is no way in debian :/
07:43<zorro>even for got packages in same version without using apt-get
07:43<zorro>is so hard
07:43<shtrb>there is a vey easy way to compare the checksums
07:44<zorro>but you need have also this source of checksums
07:44<zorro>if you take that from possible compromised system
07:44<zorro>then this have non sense
07:44<bremner>zorro: why can't you use the documented apt-secure method?
07:44<shtrb>yes, get them by out of channel
07:44<zorro>apt-secure dont exist on ubuntu
07:44<bremner>sure it does.
07:45<shtrb>zorro , download a deb file. get it checksum and compare that to what exist on the server
07:45<zorro>E: Unable to locate package apt-secure
07:45<zorro>apt-secure: command not found
07:45<zorro>shtrb: how you will download this deb files?
07:45<zorro>from http servers is so hard and there is no easy way
07:45<shtrb>wget
07:46<zorro>from apt-get i will need change my source.list
07:46<bremner>zorro: apt-secure is part of apt
07:46<zorro>not in ubuntu
07:46<shtrb>zorro , either use apt-secure or look on the files it got (either directly with wget or checking inside /var/cache/apt/archives/xxx.deb
07:46<shtrb>is that #ubuntu ?
07:47<shtrb>do you know the package name /
07:47<shtrb>?
07:47<zorro>i have whole system .dd image
07:47<zorro>and want do forensic analysis if is compromised any package related file
07:47<zorro>i can do that with debsums but i need legit source
07:47<zorro>so i cant use packages on that system
07:47<zorro>downloading that from website is just hardcore
07:48<zorro>i need to write some good parser to this whole notatation
07:48<shtrb>What ? why ?
07:48<zorro>http://pastebin.com/0jj0Z6Mb
07:48<bremner>maybe you should have a local install of debian. Then we could help you with it.
07:48<zorro>this even is too basic to handle that
07:49<shtrb>on a compromised system I would trust anything not even dpkg --verify just rebuild the system from scratch and load your backups
07:50<shtrb>dpkg -V can check against local values but if the local system can not be trusted you can't even trust a downloaded checksums that are stored locally
07:50<dpkg>I think you lost me on that one, shtrb
07:50<zorro>yeah i would check debsums from another system
07:50<zorro>with mounted ro,noexec debian .dd image
07:50<zorro>i know how do that
07:50<zorro>i need only trusted source for debsings
07:50<zorro>so i need packages in sam version
07:51<zorro>even i can check that what are in apt cache but need verify them before if are not changed
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07:51<zorro>so i cant found any easy way to solve that problem
07:51<zorro>other that just install same debian
07:51<zorro>and downloading this with same apt source list
07:51<shtrb>just reinstall the system less work
07:51<zorro>that is so freak to be honest
07:52<shtrb>you know the phrase "If there is a doubt , there is no doubt" ?
07:52<zorro>yeah i will told in court that they should reainstall system
07:52<zorro>:)
07:52<zorro>and dont bother
07:52<zorro>:D
07:53<zorro>i try to find easy way to verify files in .dd image
07:53<shtrb>how was it built ?
07:53<zorro>liek system binaries etc, with debsums it will be easy but still not source of legit data
07:53<shtrb>chef ? manual ?
07:53<zorro>reliable
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07:53<zorro>what how what was build?
07:54<zorro>i want check if any of debian package related binnaries was changed
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07:55<bremner>well, you have to start with the Release file. That's clearly documented in the link I sent you
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07:55<bremner>wishing for something else is not going to help.
07:55<zorro>there is no apt-secure on ubuntu
07:55<zorro>and i use sift workstation from sans
07:55<bremner>if you say so.
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07:56<zorro>E: Unable to locate package apt-secure
07:56<zorro>apt-secure: command not found
07:56<bremner>that is also true on Debian.
07:56<bremner>so, I take it you didn't read the wiki page?
07:57<jm_>or the man page
07:57<shtrb>bremner , shouldn't dpkg -V work in his case ?
07:58<bremner>he still needs a verified source of checksums
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07:58<jm_>absolutely, it's a pointless excercise if one doesn't quite understand how it works
07:58<bremner>also, dpkg -V would need to be run inside the compromised system
07:59<zorro>there is no easy way
07:59<shtrb>yes and no , you can chroot into a compromised system without network after you overritght the checksums
07:59<zorro>everything is so complicated there to check that if packages are not compromised
07:59<shtrb>but it will make rk and friends crazy
07:59<zorro>yeah chroot and use binaries from compromised system :)
08:00<zorro>good idea :P
08:00<shtrb>*overwrite*
08:00<zorro>because of that i use noexec
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08:00<shtrb>Just install a new system
08:00<zorro>13:52 < zorro> yeah i will told in court that they should reainstall system
08:00<zorro>13:52 < zorro> and dont bother
08:01<shtrb>is that need for court /
08:01<shtrb>?
08:01<zorro>y
08:01<shtrb>or your job etc
08:01<zorro>no, for court
08:01<shtrb>I really hope you didn't screw the eveidence and held the checksums for everything. you need to contact a specialist
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08:02<zorro>i am expert witness and i do that, need just verify this sums and then do next part of analisys
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08:03<zorro>i can download same system and same packages but i can' understand if there is no more easy way
08:03<zorro>to easy download packages in same version from http respository
08:03<zorro>or even md5sums
08:03<shtrb>zorro , there is also that small part you need verify if there isn't anything corrupted on the file system or the firmware level
08:03<zorro>whatever, check via gpg packages
08:03<zorro>looks like sign is not in .deb
08:04<shtrb>zorro , I think you are going to ruin the chain of evidence
08:04<zorro>i know how do forensic when i can trust binnaries
08:04<zorro>how, with ro,noexec?:)
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08:05<shtrb>yes
08:05<zorro>how then?
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08:05<zorro>in my country there is no chain of trust, no any about some stupid things like who touched evidence etc
08:06<zorro>if checksum of hdd is good and is still possible to replicate steps of analisys then is fine
08:06<zorro>because of that i check ro,noexec .dd image
08:06<shtrb>doing a mount may change the state of the file system ( in case of NTFS ) , the firmware on the drive change the values on connections
08:06<zorro>you know
08:06<shtrb>you have filesystem , disk firmware , and guest /host oses
08:06<zorro>rootkit can be disabled when you shutdown system
08:07<zorro>rootkit can detect when you do dd image...
08:07<zorro>-//- when you do mem dump etc
08:07<zorro>so you know
08:07<zorro>in this part i just need verify .deb packages ;P
08:07<zorro>or files in file system compared to that what should be there
08:08<zorro>only detecting rootkit is playground for few mo/years :)
08:08<zorro>i need do that in logic way
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08:08<bremner>well, you're the expert witness, so you need some debian expertise.
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08:10<shtrb>zorro , who told you that the when you dd you took the loaded binaries ?
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08:11<shtrb>*binary images
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08:14<shtrb>zorro , you would need to correctly install the same system based on the same package names and versions.
08:14<shtrb>you will also need to difference the config files. and then do a full comparison on the filesystem level
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08:15<shtrb>you will not be able to identify any host maleware , software running on the firmware, or to verify that the binaries you dded are actuall the ones that had been in memory at somepoint
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08:16<shtrb>your best hopes had been to perform a memory dump while you dd (before a restart).
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08:21<nandoe>anyone using antiX?
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08:22<shtrb>anyone around uses debian in LTE envoirment, what IMS enabled clients you use ?
08:23<shtrb>*not a survy , I just wish to know what I should get to get a usefull toolset (purly from debian)
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08:25<blast007>!antix
08:25<dpkg>antiX is a live CD distribution based on <MEPIS>. It is not supported in #debian. http://antix.mepis.org/ #mepis on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
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08:26<blast007>nandoe: ^
08:26<nandoe>oh thanks blast007
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09:50<umlaeute>is there a way to get the multi-arch host-triplet without having dpkg-dev not gcc installed?
09:50<umlaeute>"the multi-arch host-triplet" being the *native* triplet for the current host
09:53<bzed>umlaeute: why would you need that if you don't want to compile stuff?
09:55<umlaeute>bzed: there's a number of plugin specs that mention /usr/lib/FOO/ as the search-path for the plugins (with 'FOO' being the plugin API)
09:55<umlaeute>and which mandate an environment variable to add additional search paths (e.g. FOO_PLUGIN_PATH)
09:56<umlaeute>obviously this is not multi-arch ready
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09:56<umlaeute>but every now and then a maintainer tries to multi-archify them (putting plugins into /usr/lib/<triplet>/FOO/), breaking the host applications
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09:57<umlaeute>and the generic answer to users is to add something like 'export FOO_PLUGIN_PATH=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/FOO/' to their .profile
09:57<bzed>umlaeute: if the plugin is architecture dependant, that sounds right. and the application should be fixed to look into the appropriate path
09:58<umlaeute>well yes.
09:58<bzed>umlaeute: I'd say that really depends on the application. and doing multiarch right
09:58<umlaeute>but until they *are* fixed, the env-var fix is nice enough.
09:58<bzed>....
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09:59<umlaeute>and i would like to be able to suggest a .profile-line that "just works" on all archs
09:59<bzed>umlaeute: my dirty hack would be: FOO_PLUGIN_PATH=$(cat /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf | grep -E '^/usr/lib/.*-.*-.*')/FOO/
10:00<umlaeute>not that i would personally like to to suggest any such a line, but at least to correct them whenever they pop up on the various IRCs and forums
10:00<umlaeute>bzed: urgh :-)
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10:00<bzed>FOO_PLUGIN_PATH=$(cat /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf | grep -E '^/usr/lib/[^/]*-[^/]*-[^/]*$')
10:00<bzed>umlaeute: ^
10:01<bzed>thats better :)
10:01<bzed>and /FOO/...
10:01<bzed>you get what I mean
10:01<oglh> foo to the OG
10:02<umlaeute>hmm, yes i get what you mean but i don't think that this will work
10:02<umlaeute>as it will add all the enabled archs to the search path, potentially creating havoc
10:03*umlaeute thinks
10:03<umlaeute>probably not
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10:03<umlaeute>bzed: so thanks for the suggestion
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10:16<bzed>umlaeute: the other option would be to hack something around uname...
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10:48<zorro>from where in debian is sshd_config ?
10:48<zorro>openssh-server_1%3a6.7p1-5+deb8u3_amd64.deb
10:48<zorro>-rw-r--r-- root/root 3753 2016-07-22 19:36 ./usr/share/doc/openssh-client/examples/sshd_config
10:48<zorro>-rw-r--r-- root/root 13346 2016-07-22 19:45 ./usr/share/man/man5/sshd_config.5.gz
10:48<zorro>looks like is not in ssh server package
10:49<duclicsic>it lives in /etc/ssh/
10:50<umlaeute>and it comes from the openssh-server, but is a config-file, and thus modifiable by the user (and dpkg respects that)
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10:53<zorro>duclicsic: i know
10:53<zorro>umlaeute: no, it dont come with openssh server
10:53<zorro>there is no such file in package
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10:57<zorro>from where got default sshd_config?
10:57<zorro>by default i mean
10:57<umlaeute>zorro: from openssh-server
10:57<zorro>that way that i will can also use for another such problems
10:57<zorro>umlaeute: no
10:57<umlaeute>yes
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10:57<duclicsic>as a total guess, maybe the server generates it on first run or during installation?
10:58<umlaeute>the file is generated in the postinst script
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10:58<zorro>http://pastebin.com/5iYfv8gb
10:58<zorro>see?
10:58<zorro>openssh-client have /etc/ssh/ssh_config
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10:58<zorro>-server DON'T have sshd_config
10:59<umlaeute>https://sources.debian.net/src/openssh/1:7.3p1-1/debian/openssh-server.postinst/
10:59<umlaeute>see?
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10:59<umlaeute>the -server *creates* the file *on-the-fly* in the postinst script (which is run at the end of a successfull instalaltion).
10:59<zorro>ok
10:59<umlaeute>that's why it is not listed in the package-contents
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11:00<zorro>ok thanks it have sense now :D
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11:02<Patrick_>Alguém no Brasil?
11:05<umlaeute>!pt
11:05<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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11:05<zorro>!pl
11:05<dpkg>Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>.
11:06<zorro>do you know also other good technics for forensic in debian?
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11:06<zorro>i mean debian have a lot build in security for check integrity
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11:29<KellerFuchs>I'm having an issue with apt on several servers, I get “Device or ressource busy” when dpkg tries to install upgrades: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/b0085725
11:29<KellerFuchs>does it ring a bell to anybody here?
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11:51<Nickkk>so i upgraded from iceweasel to firefox... now I cant even browse :/
11:51<Nickkk>it's like it doesn't understand how to display evensimple text :/
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11:52<Nickkk>google looks a mess :/
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12:49<Echoz>is there any sudo GUI frontend that looks like pkexec but works like sudo?
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12:50<Echoz>pkexec in gnome 3, that is
12:51<Echoz>there oughta be a good looking sudo frontend that doesn't use a million layers of abstraction and XML
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13:07<Echoz>there was gksu-polkit that was somehow supposed to work in a similar way... but it seems dead
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13:36<Nickkk>no one have any ideas about my firefox issue then?
13:36<Echoz>Nickkk: what version are you running?
13:36<Nickkk>upgraded from iceweasel to ff esr and now all pages are screwed up :/
13:37<Echoz>also could you upload a screenshot, i'm not sure exactly what you mean? https://echoz.rocks/files/.upload.php
13:37<Nickkk>the upgrade went fine on my gnome3 box, this kde box doesnt like it tho
13:38<jmcnaught>Nickkk: are you running any extensions? what if you run firefox in safe mode (go to about:support). have you tested running it as a brand-new test user?
13:38<krs>hi! can someone help me with graphics crash on 8.6 stable installation? I'm getting this screen http://imgur.com/a/d4lHX after i chose graphical install or any other method. The machine is HP Elitebook 9470m with Intel HD4000 integrated graphics. I tried changing vga=normal from the boot parameters, no help.
13:38<Nickkk>i'll do that now jmcnaught
13:39<Nickkk>but no, zero extensions
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13:44<Nickkk>https://postimg.org/image/hhio56jnr/ <- google
13:45<jmcnaught>Nickkk: it has cows in it. is that with a new test user? an alternative is to move your ~/.mozilla directory somewhere safe so that firefox makes a new profile
13:45<Nickkk>thats running in safemode... zero extensions
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13:47<Nickkk>renaming the .mozilla dir and restarting ff gives the same result
13:49<Nickkk>like i say the upgrade was fine on my gnome box
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13:49<jmcnaught>Nickkk: next i would try running firefox from a terminal emulator to see if it gives clues on stdout or stderr. If you have a different WM/DE that you can log into, i would try that too.
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13:49<Nickkk>o.O
13:50<Nickkk>that sounds like a right pain the ass to be fair...
13:50<Nickkk>maybe i'll just go back to iceweasel or just use kde's browser... urgh
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13:51<jmcnaught>Nickkk: iceweasel's going to have security vulnerabilities in it. it didn't get replaced with firefox-esr until it a security upgrade was required
13:53<Nickkk>strange... going to view>page style and selecting "no style" gives a text version of googl with the normal text and not screwed up :/
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13:55<Nickkk>i thought it was just the text encoding at first but it dont matter what i change it to its the same
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13:59<jmcnaught>Nickkk: so you don't have another wm/de you can test it in? what about SSH forwarding to the other computer?
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14:32<Echoz>Nickkk: go to preferences and then content in firefox
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14:33<foka_>help title
14:34<Echoz>Nickkk: check the font settings there, see what the default sans-serif font is set to
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15:03<tppp>Hi, I was looking for unetbootin but no result when I "apt-cache search" for it
15:05<somiaj>tppp: unetbootin has a bad habbit of not creating proper boot images or hard to bug images from debian .isos. Because of this debian doesn't include it in its repos
15:05<somiaj>!unetbootin
15:05<dpkg>UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
15:06<tppp>!win32diskimager
15:06<dpkg>win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details.
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15:08<tppp>somiaj, thx
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15:30<linux_noviisi>Good evening, Can someone help with xfce volume adjusting keyboard shortcuts? Alsamixer adjust the volume when i run it from terminal. This helps for the session: killall xfce4-volumed && volumeicon&. Icon and shortcuts are lost after loggin out. How to save those settings?
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16:40<linux_noviisi>hello
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16:43<srbaker>Heya folks. I'm having some massive problems with external displays, I'm hoping someone can help out.
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16:44<srbaker>When I plug in my external monitor (Philips BDM4065UC) to my Thinkpad W550s, it sometimes works for a little while, but eventually (within minutes) ends up going blank. This is in dmesg [drm:intel_dp_start_link_train [i915]] *ERROR* failed to train DP, aborting
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16:44<srbaker>Every search result for that shows someone "fixing" it by upgrading their kernel.
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16:45<srbaker>To some versoin that's far older than mine.
16:46<musca>,v xserver-xorg-video-intel
16:46<judd>Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917+git20160706-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:2.99.917+git20160706-1; sid: 2:2.99.917+git20160706-1
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16:49<linux_noviisi>can someone help with xfce volume control?
16:50<musca>!ask
16:50<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
16:51<linux_noviisi>i can't get the volume control keyboard shortcuts to work.
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16:52<linux_noviisi>https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2210233
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16:53<linux_noviisi>last post in that topic helps but only for the session. After logging out the volume control panel item disappears.
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16:59<linux_noviisi>alsamixer works and also these keyboard shortcuts: bash -c "amixer set Master 5%+" bash -c "amixer set Master 5%-" and bash -c "amixer set Master toggle". But if i assign them to the default keybinding XF86AudioLowerVolume and so on... they dont work.
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17:03<koike>hey, why does debian have a separated repository for security updates? Why they are not part of the normal updates?
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17:41<gry>koike: I think it's for having a separate (and more high attention) queue for submitting patches, which is reviewed by a particular group of people - this way the security updates are given more attention without distracting by everything else (and possibly also for separate update queue for oldstable?? someone would have to confirm this bit, I don't know whether that's the case)
17:41<gry>i.e. I suspect oldstable probably only receives security updates but I'm not too confident in that
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17:43<koike>gry, thanks, I was wondering why these updates aren't also available in, for exemple, when I put deb mirror jessie-updates main in my sources.list
17:44<umlaeute>koike: speed? security-updates are high-priority and are therefore delivered "immediately"
17:45<koike>umlaeute, ah, fair enough, thanks
17:45<gry>Because they're different repositories and if you don't put it then your apt doesn't see it. Your apt doesn't know of these words and names, only you do
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17:48<koike>I see, thanks
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17:54<gry>you're welcome koike :) good question there too
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19:03<BRAIAN>HOLA HAY CHICAS PARA HABLAR
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19:21<tbc>Folks, make all the noise you want in #moocows
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19:21<tbc>Meh. Perps already left.
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19:51<MaddHatter_>What's up everyone!
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20:13<MaddHatter_>What's up?
20:13<willy1>klaros
20:13<sney>this is a support channel so currently nothing is up, I guess. if you just want to chat try /join #moocows
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20:13<MaddHatter_>yea I am new so still figuring everything out...
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21:28<AnotherPerson>i'm trying test a dhcp/dns combo on a kvm with 3 nic: 1 for internet access and 2 for 2 local subnets
21:28<AnotherPerson>i'm using bind9 for dns
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21:28<AnotherPerson>the dns server only responds on random boots for some reason
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21:28<AnotherPerson>i have to reboot the kvm until dns works for 1 client and then it will always work
21:29<AMH>hi
21:29<AnotherPerson>any ideas?
21:29<AnotherPerson>hi
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21:29<AMH>i'm a new here
21:29<AnotherPerson>clients are also other kvm
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21:30<AMH>any one here he from in U.S ?
21:30<AMH>Or Ps ?
21:31<missmbob>AMH: this isn't a social channel, but for support only. for social chat there's #debian-offtopic
21:31<AnotherPerson>canada. close enough for you?
21:32<AMH>any one here he know the DarkNet ?
21:32<missmbob>!ot
21:32<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
21:32<jmcnaught>AnotherPerson: what happens when dns doesn't work?
21:32<AnotherPerson>nothing
21:32<AnotherPerson>can't ping google
21:33<AnotherPerson>can't ping debian kvm
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21:33<AnotherPerson>dhcp seems to always work though
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21:33<AnotherPerson>lans are on kvm internal only network (different subnets for each lan)
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21:34<jmcnaught>AnotherPerson: what's in /etc/resolv.conf? Have you investigated with dig?
21:34<AnotherPerson>dig says rejected
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21:35<AnotherPerson>the weird thing is that it magically seems to work for the occasional boot
21:36<jmcnaught>AnotherPerson: please start showing your commands and output in pastes so people can actually help you
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21:37<AnotherPerson>[liveuser@localhost ~]$ ping www.google.com
21:37<AnotherPerson>ping: www.google.com: Name or service not known
21:38<AnotherPerson>from the client
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21:39<koike>gry, umlaeute, another related question to secure-updates. What embargoed packages means? I was told that embargoed packages are secure-updates, but all the secure-updates are called embargoed? Or just the ones in the queue to enter in the secure updates repository?
21:39<jmcnaught>AnotherPerson: i mean more like 'dig @fqdn.ns.example.com foo.example.com' and then show us the output and the command you used (change the domain if you're worried about privacy)
21:40<AnotherPerson>[liveuser@localhost ~]$ dig gateway.debian.kvm
21:40<AnotherPerson>; <<>> DiG 9.10.4-P1-RedHat-9.10.4-1.P1.fc24 <<>> gateway.debian.kvm
21:40<AnotherPerson>;; global options: +cmd
21:40<AnotherPerson>;; Got answer:
21:40<AnotherPerson>;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 42313
21:40-!-AnotherPerson was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
21:41<missmbob>really? redhat?
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21:41<AnotherPerson>https://paste.debian.net/884342/
21:42<AnotherPerson>there's the dig output. considering it's all just test kvms not worried about privacy of the vm
21:43<jmcnaught>AnotherPerson: i don't know what your /etc/resolv.conf is. With dig you can use @ to say which nameserver to ask
21:44<AnotherPerson>"/etc/resolv.conf" in the server right? the client is just a livecd instance
21:45<jmcnaught>AnotherPerson: in the client. that file tells the computer which nameserver to ask about DNS resolution
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21:46<AnotherPerson>https://paste.debian.net/884343/
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21:47<jmcnaught>AnotherPerson: and 192.168.100.1 is the VM that is running bind9?
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21:47<AnotherPerson>yes
21:47<AnotherPerson>that vm has 3 nics
21:47<AnotherPerson>one nic is 192.168.100.1
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21:48<jmcnaught>AnotherPerson: and bind9 on the computer at 192.168.100.1 has a zone file for 'debian.kvm'?
21:48<AnotherPerson>yes. let met upload the bind local config and the zone's config
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21:49<AnotherPerson>https://paste.debian.net/884344/
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21:49<AnotherPerson>nothing in the file has been edited for censoring. everything is in its original since this is just an experiment
21:50<jmcnaught>AnotherPerson: since it's for local learning, why is your TTL 8 days? make it 5 minutes or something
21:51<AnotherPerson>thanks for the help so far :) want to move the setup from the kvm to my home server
21:51<AnotherPerson>8 days is from the tutorial i was reading
21:53<jmcnaught>AnotherPerson: mine is 1 hour. TTL is how long other DNS servers should cache records for. 8 days is excessive unless you're never changing the zone.
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21:54<AnotherPerson>i moved it down to 5 minutes but ping still doesn't work
21:54<AnotherPerson>i rebooted the kvm after changing ttl to 5
21:54<jmcnaught>AnotherPerson: also, put master zone files in /etc/bind9. /var/lib/bind is where bind would keep zones it receives from a master when it is a slave
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21:55<AnotherPerson>ok will do. did i get a bad tutorial?
21:55<jmcnaught>tutorials suck.. you gotta understand the fundamentals
21:55<jmcnaught>http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns/ this is pretty good, and the printed book is also great
21:56<jmcnaught>i would try a simpler configuration, without the views and see if that works
21:56<jmcnaught>get used to using dig instead of ping
21:56<AnotherPerson>views are intended for the real setup so i can run a guest wifi on the guest zone and my main on main
21:56<jmcnaught>the idea is start simple, add complexity
21:57<jmcnaught>so remove a layer of complexity, get it working, then add the layer back again
21:57<AnotherPerson>ok
21:59<KingsQuest>is the reason we deserve chromium-browser on older debians is because we deserve posix ?
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22:00<KingsQuest>it messes everything up for future kernels
22:00<AnotherPerson>just checking that it isn't kvm that could be causing this weirdness is it?
22:00<KingsQuest>it worked for MS and Ubuntu
22:01<missmbob>i dont know what's happening right now
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22:01<jmcnaught>KingsQuest: deserve probably isn't the word you want, it doesn't make sense
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22:02<jmcnaught>AnotherPerson: i think that should work, but i've never tried making up a TLD. On the computer running bind, can you do "dig @localhost gateway.debian.kvm" ?
22:02<KingsQuest>chromium browser has repeated reports of this must be fixed. it means EOL for older releases. its wrong. also chrome
22:02<KingsQuest>it had to be done ?
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22:03<jmcnaught>KingsQuest: desktop support for Wheezy and earlier is done. Wheezy has LTS support now, which covers server packages. Is this what you're talking about?
22:03<KingsQuest>if Microsoft could never be GPL2, but cannot get rid of it make sense
22:03<KingsQuest>squeeze is the posix winner
22:03<jmcnaught>KingsQuest: do you have a support question?
22:03<KingsQuest>yes. these are all support suggestions
22:04<jmcnaught>KingsQuest: please rephrase your question so that we can try to understand it.
22:05<AnotherPerson>https://paste.debian.net/884345/
22:05<AnotherPerson>looks like the server is refusing its own requests?
22:05<jmcnaught>AnotherPerson: so the first thing i would try is removing the views so that bing gives the same response to anyone that asks
22:06<AnotherPerson>alright
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22:06<AnotherPerson>so i guess the views are setup wrong then
22:06<jmcnaught>^bing^bind
22:08<jmcnaught>AnotherPerson: i've never set up views so i don't know. i do recommend spending some time with that zytrax.com book. Reading some of rfc1035 and related docs won't hurt either
22:09<AnotherPerson>just curious, what are the strategies for setting up a second guest wifi network on a different subnet?
22:10<AnotherPerson>i want the server to do dhcp and dns so the router is essentially an access point
22:10<AnotherPerson>router has ddwrt. server has 3 nics (3 scrapyard 100mbps nics)
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22:28<gry>koike: did your question about embargoed get answered?
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23:05<johnathon>Hell
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