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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-10-23

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00:09<vortek>its a fiefox-esr bug, chrpmium works as expected
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00:58<hussein>looking for :working grub2 menuentry to boot and install debian 8.3 from hdd.i am not about to a question and answer approch.i am about a real ,working and experienced example.please
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01:00<jmcnaught>hussein: you tried to DCC Chat me earlier. Please don't do that again. I wish you the best of luck with your problem, but don't expect someone to give you a magical solution without asking some questions first.
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01:11<hussein>jmcnaught: grub2 entries are errorprone.with just a lttle wrong entry it dosnt work.so i want someone to do it fist for himself and then if get the right answer .come to reply me
01:11<jmcnaught>hussein: good luck with that
01:12<_0>jellyfish is weak backgammon programm under my old pc, i'm not gamble it, but i was on way to it,it's was just a question of times)
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01:13<_0>just, correct /dev/random)
01:14<_0>btw, do you have ssl ports on your irc server?
01:15<_0>i ask..
01:16<_0>just ask..
01:17<jmcnaught>_0: this network uses port 6697 for SSL. see https://www.oftc.net/ for more details.
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01:18<_0>jmcnaught, big deal)
01:18<_0>thanks
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01:21<_0_>hello, it's me with ssl, type you propositions)
01:22<_0_>goto to 42 and chat with real girls or sit here and chat with you?)
01:23<jmcnaught>_0_: this is a tech support channel. if you want to chat try '/join ##moocows'
01:25<hussein>looking for :working grub2 menuentry to boot and install debian 8.3 from hdd.i am not about to a question and answer approch.i am about a real ,working and experienced example.please
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01:38<_0_>hussein, who are you? webcam
01:41<_0_>feel me right, my eggs do not work with text)
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01:42<gry>_0_: we do not meet random people here for making friends. OFTC is a collaboration network. For web dating, use efnet.
01:42<gry>Or walk in a park or a local club or library and watch interesting people and get in touch.
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01:54<_0_>thanks,deal is clear that deal is dark) bb
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01:59<vortek>i cant get flash working in chromium and i did a search in synaptic for chromium flash and it showed 2 things one with pepperflash plugin and 1 withbrowserplugin i installed both no luck
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01:59<vortek>can some1 help me please
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02:31<desert>debian won't use my graphics card even though im sure i have the right drivers (i might have other drivers as well, but im not sure) for an r9 380 OC edition card, what drivers should be installed and what shouldn't?
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03:02<huss>looking for :working grub2 menuentry to boot and install debian 8.3 from hdd.i am not about to a question and answer approch.i am about a real ,working and experienced example.please
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03:17<hewl>huss: Does grub fail to generate the entries for you?
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03:43<huss>looking for :working grub2 menuentry to boot and install debian 8.3 from hdd.i am not about to a question and answer approch.i am about a real ,working and experienced example.please
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03:47<blast007>huss: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd
03:49<huss>not looking for decriptive example.looking for working and exeperienced ones
03:51<blast007>huss: have you tried the ones in the install guide?
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03:51<huss>yes
03:51<blast007>and?
03:53<huss>blast007 yes http://paste.debian.net/887471
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03:54<somiaj>if you are going to boot and install from hdd, would using debootstrap work?
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03:55<blast007>huss: that's now how the install guide told you to install from the hard drive
03:55<blast007>https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s04.html.en
03:56<huss>i did for ubuntu mint
03:56<huss>and they work
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03:57<huss>i downloaded hd-media
03:57<huss>initrd.gz
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04:12<Oscar>identify
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04:44<duko>hi all
04:44<duko>i need som ehelp
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04:46<duko>im trying to install debian from one usb boot to another usb
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04:46<duko>but then i cant boot from it afterwards. Do i need UEFI on it? If so, i dont get asked, even that i choice to force install it when im installing it.
04:47<duko>can anyone help?
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04:48<somiaj>you should be able to boot either efi or legacy with the debian installer. When installing on usb, you might need to make sure you install grub and then tell your machine to boot form the correct place.
04:48<duko>i did choice grub and installed it on the other usb i want to use ddebian on
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04:48<duko>i even disabled fastboot and secure boot from bios
04:49<duko>and also i choice to boot form the installed usb
04:49<duko>just a black screen and one cursor blinking constantly
04:49<duko>nothing else happen
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04:51<lindi->duko: does it boot with a virtual machine? For example "kvm -hda /dev/USB_DEVICE -m 1024"?
04:51<lindi->duko: does it boot with a virtual machine? For example "kvm -hda /dev/USB_DEVICE -m 1024 -snapshot"?
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04:51<duko>no
04:51<duko>i installed from one bootale usb to another usb
04:51<duko>and im booting from physical pc
04:51<lindi->duko: did you test if it boot with a virtual machine?
04:52<duko>why should i test on virtual, when i want it to work with this?
04:52<lindi->duko: just to rule out BIOS issues
04:52<lindi->duko: if the same USB stick works with a virtual machine then the installer at least put a working boot loader there
04:53<duko>the bios can boot my debian usb bootable usb, the thing happens when i then tell it to install it to another usb. The installation finishes and the new createt usb from the first usb, will not work
04:54<lindi->duko: sure but "will not work" does not really help us solve the problem
04:54<duko>a vm will either
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04:54<lindi->duko: I disagree
04:54<lindi->I always debug boot problems with a VM
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04:56<duko>tell me, did you understand my issue here?
04:56<lindi->duko: I think I do
04:56<duko>so tell me what you understood
04:56<lindi->duko: you tried to install debian to a USB stick and it does not boot
04:56<duko>no
04:56<duko>i mada a USB bootable debian. That one works.
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04:57<duko>When i plug it in my PC, i can boot from that. I then choice to install debian on another USB.
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04:57<lindi->duko: what choice is that?
04:57<lindi->duko: are you talking about debian live?
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04:58<duko>lindi, go joke somebody else pls, i need help here.
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04:58<lindi->duko: I'm not trying to joke but I really don't undestand. you can run the debian installer from separate media or from debian live
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04:59<lindi->duko: if you have installed a debian system I'm not aware of any menu option "install debian to another USB"
04:59<duko>omg, debian live is a seperate media
04:59<lindi->duko: maybe a screenshot would help us understand what you chose?
04:59<duko>then that means, you can't help me
04:59<duko>thank you for your time, is there anybody else in the room who can help?
05:00<blast007>duko: why can't you try booting the second USB has a VM?
05:00<blast007>as a*
05:00<somiaj>Depending on the system you can install debian on a usbdrive as if it were the hdd. Though this may take some work to get it bootable (I haven't tried it). My suggestion with usb is use a live image + persistance.
05:00<duko>the second usb is the one installed from the first booatle debian usb.
05:00<blast007>duko: right, which doesn't boot on a computer - so why can't you test booting it with a VM?
05:00<lindi->duko: what command did you use to install it?
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05:01<duko>i get your point of testing it on a VM, but since i need to get it working with this pc here. Seing it working on a VM doesnt really help me much. Since i just told you this PC works fine with UEFI boots.
05:01<duko>so im guessing i need to do some UEFI stuff inside this second USB. But my debian shoudl have done that even that it doesn't seem to
05:01<blast007>if it boots with the VM, there may just be a config issue with that computer. If it doesn't boot in the VM, then it's probably an issue with the install or the stick.
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05:03<duko>i get what you mean
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05:03<duko>u know what guys. Let me just test it with a VM and get back to you then
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05:03<duko>so we can get a hang of it, and now where to start
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05:03<duko>know*
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05:04<duko>give me some time though, bbl
05:04<somiaj>duko: do you want a portable install on a usb drive?
05:04<duko>yes that what im doing, i did choice the right stuff under installation
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05:05<somiaj>due to the speeds of usb, you may want to look into just using a live system. You can enable persistance on the debian ones and just modify things, or you can build your own.
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05:06<duko>i want to make a encryptet usb portable.
05:07<duko>i get it with the speed, but i go a usb 64gb and the read speed is faster then the write. But ill manage
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06:48<huss>looking for :working grub2 menuentry to boot and install debian 8.3 from hdd.i am not about to a question and answer approch.i am about a real ,working and experienced example.please http://paste.debian.net/887471
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06:57<drago>Hello
06:57<drago>I tried to install Debian on my laptop but I failer
06:57<drago>failed *
06:58<drago>any idea ?
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07:20<lindi->drago: what laptop?
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07:21<drago>hi lindi
07:22<drago>lenovo X201
07:22<lindi->drago: ok, which CD did you use?
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07:23<drago>http://www.ordinateur-occasion.com/pc-portable-d-occasion/gamme-linux/thinkpad-x201-ubuntu-4-go-642-L1.html
07:23<drago>I used an usb key
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07:23<lindi->drago: which one? there are many
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07:23<lindi->drago: in particular, which .iso image did you download?
07:24<drago>I downloaded an iso lindi- nd made an usb bootable key with USV disk creator
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07:25<drago>this one
07:25<drago>https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable
07:26<lindi->drago: how did it fail?
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07:26<drago>I did the installation
07:27<drago>I did the installation... nothing
07:27<bremner>I'd say try the method in the installation instructions, rather than some third party tool to make a bootable usb key
07:27<drago>;;;
07:27<lindi->drago: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.6.0/amd64/iso-cd/ lists many images, which one did you use?
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07:30<drago>Debian 8.6.0 M-A1
07:31<lindi->drago: that page does not list an image by that name, do you mean debian-8.6.0-amd64-CD-1.iso ?
07:31<drago>Debian GNU/Linux 8.6.0 "Jessie" - Official Multi-architecture amd64/i386 NETINST #1
07:31<lindi->ah, so netinst
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07:32<drago>did i try with nther one ?
07:32<drago>another one* ?
07:33<drago>But witch one ?
07:33<lindi->drago: no that image should be fine
07:33<drago>I can try to reinstall it
07:34<drago>and i copy here what the laptop say
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07:34<lindi->drago: probably doesn't hurt to try
07:34<lindi->drago: pay attention to the very end where you are installing the grub bootloader
07:34<drago>ok i start that
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07:37<drago>A folder is mssing
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07:38<drago>iwiwifi-6000-4ucode
07:38<drago>I continue the installation
07:38<lindi->drago: if you use ethernet during the installation that is not a problem
07:38<lindi->drago: are you trying to install over wifi?
07:38<drago>yes
07:39<lindi->drago: I recommend using an ethernet cable, much simpler
07:39<drago>ok i do that
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08:17<hussein>looking for :working grub2 menuentry to boot and install debian 8.3 from hdd.i am not about to a question and answer approch.i am about a real ,working and experienced example.please
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08:27<bremner>heh. entitled much?
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08:29<bremner>hussein: you keep asking, but nobody here knows. Perhaps you should try the debian-user mailing list.
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08:42<hussein>bremner i did but no resualt
08:42<bremner>ok.
08:42<petn-randall>hussein: If you're not willing to respond to any questions leading to the solution you want, nobody here will be willing to help you.
08:43<hussein>listen
08:43<hussein>i,m using grub4win
08:43<hussein>with no verbos output
08:44<hussein>so neither it does all of the job
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08:45*themill looks for the debian-user post to see if there's enough detail to answer the question
08:45<hussein>or logs unknown filesystem
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08:45<piper>hussein: I don't use debian, but a distro that is based on debian sid, this most likely won't work with debian, never tried, this is my latest build, this is how i boot from hard drive using a 40_custom grub4win i know nothing about
08:45<piper>http://paste.debian.net/888927/
08:46<hussein>http://paste.debian.net/887471 of cours i did for ubuntu mint
08:47<piper>and that is all i am posting, this is a debian channel respect
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08:47<petn-randall>hussein: The first question you were asked was: "is there some reason you can't use a debian installer image e.g. on a usb stick?" and that's IMHO a valid question.
08:49<hussein>thers is differnce between because you have to download hd-media seperatly from debian iso that is initrs.gz
08:49<hussein>i dont want to waste flash
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08:50<bremner>how about wasting time?
08:50<petn-randall>hussein: Ok, let me rephrase: What is stopping you from using the established, standard way of installing Debian?
08:51<themill>(the one that people here know about and can help you with)
08:51<hussein>i dont wont waste flash dvd
08:51<vortek>piper: what distro u use, that isbasedon debian sid?
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08:52<piper>vortek: read the paste
08:52<vortek>k
08:52<hussein>debian-8.1.0-amd64-DVD-1
08:52<hussein>debian-8.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
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08:57<piper>hussein: waste flash dvd, not sure i follow
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08:59<vortek>piper: oh its only live? cant i install it to a medium?
09:01<piper>vortek: yes, it has installer, please lets not talk about it on this channel, this is a debian channel and not supported
09:01<vortek>goof poinnt
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09:03<aleksey>help domen .local
09:03<aleksey>help domen .local Server not found
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09:12<petn-randall>hussein: What do you mean with "waste" it? You use it once for installation, after that you're free to use it for something else.
09:14<hussein>listen
09:14<hussein>i installed sevsral time
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09:14<hussein>with dvd
09:14<hussein>with usb flash
09:15<hussein>but right now i want from hdd
09:15<themill>We wish you all the best in your endeavours.
09:15<hussein>i like to learn
09:16<petn-randall>hussein: Then read up on how to do it. Your statement contradicts yourself 100%. You want to learn, yet you don't want to find out how to do it right, and expect us to spoonfeed you the right config for a grub menu entry.
09:17<petn-randall>I can also only wish you the best of luck with your endeavours
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09:19<hussein>i read most of docs but i cant.i like to see if what debian docs orders is practical or not
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09:21<hussein>for exmaple what ubuntus docs orders ,is practical and working
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09:24<aleksey>go to mandriva fackdebian ubuntu ////
09:24<aleksey>all
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09:26<petn-randall>aleksey: Do you need any help with Debian?
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09:32<_0>linux winusb broke my usb flash drive such http://www.rozetka.com.ua/transcend_jetflash_350_ts8gjf350/p186292 but older model
09:32<_0>so i go off linux
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09:34<_0>i loose 5$(
09:35<cruncher>I installed windows last night and my pc exploded... i loose 799$ now
09:35<petn-randall>_0: Did this happen on Debian?
09:36<_0>petn-randall yeah
09:36<piper>cruncher: what is this windows thing ?????
09:37<cruncher>joke aside: _0, maybe it was the last write the flash cells could handle, you knwo the writes are limited
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09:38<cruncher>_0, but are you sure its broken? or just not readable when you plug it in? did you try fdisk?
09:39<_0>cruncher i was trying low levels tools from chip maker
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09:40<_0>cruncher but everything is useless , mbr cells broken it seems
09:41<cruncher>yes, if it really doesnt react io would say the same
09:41<_0>i will try under windows xp, because i was trying from windows 10, may be it will helps
09:42<cruncher>_0, or on different machine
09:42<_0>but it is really hard to cure it
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09:43<_0>i try on three machines
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09:44<cruncher>_0, well, they "die"... i hope you are wise enough not to blame whatever OS you had it plugged in when it happened ;-)
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09:44<_0>ok
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09:46<_0>i just will install windows 7 sp1 and foggot about this incident:)
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09:47<cruncher>_0, ok, but just to tell you, once a harddisk of mine died when using windows... ;-)
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09:48<cruncher>_0, ok, have a nice day :)
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12:45<Arcade>quick question what does it mean: wine on a 64-bit architecture (with i386 as foreign 32-bit architecture)
12:46<Arcade>does that mean it uses x64 by default for programs
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12:50<somiaj>Arcade: It means that your native arch is amd64, but you have some sort of multiarch libs installed so you can run 32bit apps in compadaiblity mode (quite useful for wine since lost of windows apps are still 32bit)
12:52<Arcade>Ok so its like running windows x64 with comparability mode vs windows x32 native only
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12:55<Arcade>will try and see if I can get office working thanks somiaj . I wish things were more easier on windows to install and use on linux
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12:57<somiaj>!multiarch
12:57<dpkg>Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>.
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12:57<somiaj>Arcade: I personally just run wine as a 32bit app and not use 64bit apps with compadability mode
12:59<Arcade>I am trying office x64 bit just to see for now testing it. Eventually yes I may use x32 on the final install once I get a key
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13:00<somiaj>I find older versions of office are a bit more relaiable in wine
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13:00<Arcade>Yeah I am looking at 2010
13:01<Arcade>I would use google spreadsheets but instructor wants pivot tables
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13:02<petn-randall>Arcade: Note that i386 (32-bit architecture) and x32 (32-bit architecture but compiled with features only seen on modern 64-bit architectures) are different things.
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13:03<Arcade>ok petn-randall . I will try both x64 on desktop and x32 on laptop :)
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13:10<Arcade>My only other question was this: I noticed that using apt-get install -t jessie-backports <packagename> works. Is there a reason why the wine install uses apt with slashes instead
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13:11<petn-randall>Arcade: You mean 'apt-get install wine64/jessie-backports'? That's just another way of writing it.
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13:12<Arcade>I mean like: apt-get install -t jessie-backports wine
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13:12<Arcade>vs https://wiki.debian.org/Wine
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13:12<Arcade>in using the slashes *
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13:16<KOJIbKA>Hi all, I'll try to explain here the thing nobody could answer me at official
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13:16<KOJIbKA>Windows forum. O-o-p-s! Keyboard slips away!
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13:20<KOJIbKA>How to upgrade from one version of Windows (1511) to a newer one (1604) without letting GRUB to die? I've heard of multiple cases for PC not to boot back after Win10 Update into Debian installed GRUB bootloader. They do hate each other in fact.
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13:22<az>prepare something to reinstall grub after
13:23<KOJIbKA>will common installation DVD-ROM suit the case?
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13:24<az>more easy with livecd or dvd
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13:27<KOJIbKA>the thing is I have UEFI booted machine. and to select booting media is quite a challenge/
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13:43<cutesolar>anyone know where I could get (free) ssh access to beowulf cluster (supercomputing) - i'm developing GPLed machine learning library and need to test/develop parallel code further
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13:52<lindi->cutesolar: wouldn't Amazon's AWS be the easiest way to get a lot of machines running for a short period of time?
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14:00<help_me>ih guys! I created a live usb of debian but when I try to boot the pc whit it I get the message "video input out of range". who can help me?
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14:01<help_me>ih guys! I created a live usb of debian but when I try to boot the pc whit it I get the message "video input out of range". who can help me?
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14:18<Dark-Jedi>Echoz, you around?
14:18<Dark-Jedi>Echoz, I tried that BASH command to rename files that you posted. It doesn't work at all for me.
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15:01<lsab>hi everyone
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15:04<lsab>I messed up my system. I deleted some files in /var/lib/dpkg/info and now I found this message with initials insserv
15:04<lsab>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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15:10<lsab>anyone for help me?
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15:12<bremner>that's the complete error message?
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15:13<neytiri>hi i am having a MAJOR issue with my destop displays,i have 2 identical graphic cards nvidiaa 550ti and i have 4 screens connected, 2 of them are not working at all and (second card) the screens connected to the first card both of hte dispaly spaces is showing on the first monitor
15:13<petn-randall>lsab: Restore those files from your backups.
15:15<lsab>petn-randall: is this file dpkg.status.0? I do it... doesn't work
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15:17<petn-randall>lsab: What is the *complete* message you get? Do you know what files you deleted?
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15:17<neytiri>does anyone know how i can get my system working properl
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15:22<lsab>I don't remember wich files
15:22<lsab>petn-randall: I don't remember wich files
15:23<lsab>pencilandpaper: this message: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) W: A operação foi interrompida antes de poder terminar
15:24<petn-randall>!localized errors
15:24<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install»
15:24<lsab>pencilandpaper: sorry,
15:24<lsab>petn-randall: this message: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) W: A operação foi interrompida antes de poder terminar
15:24<petn-randall>lsab: Is that the complete output? Of what command?
15:25<pencilandpaper>Its all good. :)
15:25<lsab>petn-randall: no, it's very extensive. Can I paste here?
15:25<petn-randall>lsab: You can put it on http://paste.debian.net and give us the link. Also check the message above from dpkg about localized errors.
15:26<petn-randall>(english makes it easier for us in here)
15:26<petn-randall>(My portuguese is a little rusty)
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15:28<lsab>petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/889064/
15:29<petn-randall>lsab: thanks
15:29<lsab>petn-randall: My system is pt-br, how can I translate this for you?
15:30<mots>As the bot said. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install", lsab
15:30<petn-randall>lsab: Check dpkg's last message. You can prepend LC_ALL=C to any command to force english output.
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15:31<Neytiri>hi i need some help with my system, i cant get my displays to work properly, i have disconected the monitors from the second card, but i cant get the first card to bring the 2 monitors back up again
15:32<Neytiri>i have tried both through the nvidia x server setting and the display setings
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15:33<babybee>How make in gnome classic when I run a game with borderless window resolution, to not show my desktop bars when playing game ?
15:34<lsab>petn-randall: in the log file?
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15:35<petn-randall>lsab: No, for the command you run.
15:36<ach>hi
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15:36<lsab>Do you want this: W: A operação foi interrompida antes de poder terminar? in English?
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15:38<lsab>petn-randall: Do you want this: W: A operação foi interrompida antes de poder terminar? in English?
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15:46<Neytiri>does anyone have any expirence with multiple displays in debain?
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15:46<mots>You said something about a second card. Are you using SLI?
15:47<Neytiri>not in debain
15:47<Neytiri>i have the sli bridge in stalled for when i boot windows
15:47<Neytiri>but right now i cant even get the origional config i had working
15:47<Neytiri>before i attached the second set of monitors
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15:48<Neytiri>when ever i go to the display settings and enable the second dispay it just attaches it to hte right side of my current scrteen and not on the second monitor
15:49<felixs_>Neytiri: do you know about xrandr?
15:49<Neytiri>nope
15:49<felixs_>there are graphical frontends for xrandr, such as arandr
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15:50<felixs_>you can use it to setup your screens ("X resize and rotate", but it can do much more)
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15:50<Neytiri>i think there is something else causing the issue
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15:53<Neytiri>its doing the same thing that it did when i used the display option to enable the second screen on the first card
15:53<Neytiri>brb gonna reboot
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15:58<lsab>petn-randall: I didn't change LC_ALL to english, already in portuguese
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15:59<Neytiri>ok i got the second monitor to work and reattached the second set to the second card
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16:02<Neytiti>ok well after attaching the second monitors and eabling them, my gui cinnamon crashes and wont start
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16:15<lsab>petn-randall: thanks for now, I solved
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16:18<Neytiti>ok well i cant seem to get my gui to start, i have tried to launch a different gui but it fails to start
16:19<Neytiti>ot just loads cinnamon (which fails to start)
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16:22<Neytiti>any ideas?
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16:31<neytiri>how do i figutr out what in the 4 monitor setup is causing cinnamon to crash
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16:56<neytiri>i dont know what i did wrong in thrying to set up 4 screens across 2 cards, but when i enable the second set of cards it crashes my gui
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17:00<crash>does anyone else hava Caja just locks up time to time on jessie?
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17:08<mjjm>Hello, I'm find a IRC french Debian.
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17:11<neytiri>does anyone know why my gui crashes when i have both my graphcs cards enabled and running 2 monitors a peace (crashes at login)
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17:18<Texou>neytiri: Xorg.log.0 has probably some ideas :)
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17:28<neytiri>Texou, http://pastebin.com/CFhxjMpx i have no idea waht i am looking at
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17:30<Texou>neytiri: lines begining with (WW) and (EE)
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17:33<neytiri>Texou, i don't see anything there that indicates the issue
17:34<Texou>neytiri: and what happens? your X restarts?
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17:35<neytiri>X inst crashing, its cinnamon
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17:38<Guest3006>test
17:38<neytiri>Texou, let me reboot and ill have a updated log
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17:43<neytiri>Texou, i just rebooted using the configuration for 4 screens, cinnamon is crashed, and the xorg log still has no details
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17:43<Texou>neytiri: where do you fallback when it crashes?
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17:44<neytiri>i have no idea, i have no menu or anyting, the way i opened xchat was by opening a terminal ctrl + alt + t and typing xchat
17:45<Texou>ah
17:45<Texou>neytiri: so X seems still running
17:45<Texou>just Cinnamon crashes
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17:46<neytiri>correct
17:46<neytiri>and i dont know how to fix itr
17:47<neytiri>brb getting calle dout to a incident
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18:22<neytiri>Texou, back, and yes cinnamon crashes, im having issues getting a window large enough that i can read the sys log errors
18:23<Texou>:(
18:23<Texou>I absolutely dont know this desktop
18:24<neytiri>well with no gui it sucks
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18:32<neytiri>this is the syslog file
18:32<neytiri>http://pastebin.com/2DxVsMCi
18:33<neytiri>that has all the info related to when i tried to login
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18:36<neytiri>i give up for at least 2 hours
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20:11<hans_>just upgraded from wheezy -> jessie; now i can't add launchers or applets to the top bar in gnome classic anymore. alt+right-click did it before; what's the trick these days?
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20:17<Ouroboros>why does /var/lib/dpkg/info/man-db.postinst go through some convoluted procedure to run /usr/bin/mandb with uid:gid of man? is that really necessary? will it not work if mandb runs as root?
20:18<bremner>maybe so files end up with right owner?
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20:19<Ouroboros>well, yes
20:20<bremner>ls
20:20<bremner>oops
20:21<Ouroboros>cats-doing-funny-things.avi
20:21<bremner>phew, I thought I'd lost that forever
20:22<Ouroboros>is it actually necessary to run mandb if you make changes to manpage files? or will that happen automatically next time someone runs man
20:23<Ouroboros>(ignoring any cron jobs)
20:23<bremner>Ouroboros: perhaps you could give us some context. Are you working on a package, or just editing random files on your system?
20:24<Ouroboros>yes :P
20:25<Ouroboros>let's say i am modifying some stuff on top of existing packages but outside the normal package management methods
20:25<Ouroboros>mostly just making symlinks and/or alternatives
20:27<Ouroboros>i think i should just trigger /var/lib/dpkg/info/man-db.postinst, but i cant figure out how you are supposed to use dpkg-trigger
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20:38<Ouroboros>seems like dpkg-trigger does nothing at all, man page is also confusing "It can also be used for testing and by system administrators (but note that the triggers won't actually be run by dpkg-trigger)."
20:40<Ouroboros>i could just run /var/lib/dpkg/info/man-db.postinst directly, but i dont know if there is some environment that needs to be set up for everything to work 100% correctly
20:41<Ouroboros>i mean, in this particular case, there probably isnt
20:42<bremner>well, I think your officially in "you broke it, you keep the pieces territory". Enjoy.
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20:42<bremner>you might get some help on #packaging
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21:01<Arcade>does contrib mean a community member has uploaded a package that is not debian
21:04<bremner>no. contrib means (roughly) that it relies on non-free software to function, even though the package itself might be free
21:04<missmbob>no
21:04<missmbob>!contrib
21:04<dpkg>[contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ [jessie|stretch|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>.
21:07<Arcade>got it bremner like virtualbox has some kernel features that don't meet non-free
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21:10<neytiri>how do i solve theproblem of cinnamon crashing when i enable my second graphics card (second x server) to run my second 2 monitors
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21:12<istrive>I need help with sending email from crontab to my regular email not the local account on the system
21:13<istrive>I tried SSMTP but couldnt get it to work, can it be done with mutt?
21:13<ach>you just have to enter an adress in exim4 you forward
21:13<ach>if you use standard exim4
21:13<istrive>ach hello, how to do that?
21:14<bremner>neytiri: what driver are you using?
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21:14<neytiri>nvidia driver for linux
21:14<istrive>ach I have exim4 installed with I got mutt
21:14<bremner>neytiri: have you checked that your exact configuration is supported by nvidia's driver?
21:15<neytiri>yes
21:15<neytiri>i had it wokring wiht the same driver (NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-340.24) on ubuntu before i swithced ot debian
21:15<ach>i know their is a gui configure for exim4 but i probably never worked with it.
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21:16<ach>also should like some dpkg --reconfigure do you could choose were the mail got send
21:16<bremner>neytiri: have you checked kernel and x.org logs?
21:16<neytiri>yes xorg had nothing useful
21:16<neytiri>x doenst crash just cinnamon
21:16<bremner>oh. how about e.g. xfce?
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21:17<istrive>ach what do you suggest, my goal is to get an email from my crontab scripts when they finish the tasks
21:17<Ouroboros>istrive: https://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4
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21:17<Ouroboros>istrive: also https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s05.html.en
21:17<ach>i do not use contrab.
21:18<istrive>ouroboros Thanks for the links, I'll check them out!
21:19<Ouroboros>istrive: (i think smarthost is what you want)
21:20<neytiri>bremner, xfse?
21:20<bremner>!XFCE
21:20<dpkg>Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce http://wiki.xfce.org/faq http://www.xfce.org/ #xfce on irc.freenode.net.
21:21<istrive>Ouroboros We use 1and1 with our email services, all we want is to get the reports results from crontrab to our email, so we don't have to login to the system to check it...
21:21<neytiri>install !XFCE
21:22<neytiri>!install xfce
21:22<dpkg>To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies». To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "Xfce" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet connection may be required to obtain these packages.
21:23<neytiri>its already installed, but last time i selected it it still booted cinnamon and crashed
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21:24<neytiri>brb going to enable the second card + monitors and reboot
21:24<istrive>can mutt send messages to external email?
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21:33<kernelcorn>it should be able to
21:33<kernelcorn>AFAIK
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21:51<ach>^.^
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22:09<neytiri>so mate and xfce work with my 2 card 4 monitor configuration, but not quite properly
22:09<neytiri>cinnamon still crashes
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22:59<missmbob>!es
22:59<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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23:55<k>Has anyone been able to get a Debian 8 or 9 installer to recognize an Intel 8260 wireless card?
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23:57<gry>nope, install over ethernet, enable nonfree, then install iwlwifi
23:58<k>I wanted to avoid buying the ethernet adapter, but it's looking like I have no choice
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23:59<gry>you can also use a usb with the iwlwifi deb on it, or an unofficial debian installer which has nonfree inside
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23:59<gry>or if you have to buy things, buy a free wireless card :)
23:59<gry>replace your nonfree wifi with something free that doesn't spy on you and can be debugged adequately
23:59<k>I have tried both routes but installer it is missing various .ucode firmware files, regardless
23:59<gry>an atheros wireless card should be fine
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