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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-10-24

---Logopened Mon Oct 24 00:00:11 2016
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00:00<k>I wish I had considered that but I bought and installed intel
00:00<k>not really worried about the spying but i agree free would be better
00:00<gry>odd, sounds like a bug to me... maybe your model of wireless card isn't supported by iwlwifi, or someone didn't package a thing
00:00<gry>an atheros wifi card is cheap and reliable, and usually fits your computer pretty easily
00:00<gry>you can also buy a wifi usb dongle for the same purpose
00:01<gry>(pasting the error message here could help)
00:02<k>it's just a message that says I need this ucode and that ucode... these are extensions included in iwlwifi firmware packages that are supposed to support my card
00:02<k>file extensions
00:03<gry>using the nonfree unofficial installer or having iwlwifi on a usb drive should be able to fix that; firmware-iwlwifi is the package name
00:03<k>yeah I've tried it
00:04<k>is there some special place I need to put the firmware? I just extract to a usb and give that to installer. the files on t
00:04<k>the files installer requests are similar but different from what actually comes with the firmware
00:05<gry>you could try downloading the intel firmware from their official website https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi but I think this hassle is not worth it and buying a free wifi card is more proper
00:06<gry>https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/_media/en/users/drivers/iwlwifi-8000-ucode-25.30.13.0.tgz for 8260
00:06<k>no because i already paid for a nonfree card that is regarded to be among the most reliable cards available. i'll check the intel link
00:06<gry>you can return it within 14 days after purchase
00:07<gry>you don't have to live with their poorly documented, non-free clsoed source stuff -- their pretty words about 'most reliable' are just a pretty smile of the seller
00:08<gry>(I had an intel WiFi Link 4965AGN for 5 years. finally moved to ethernet this year because their card was glitching out while every other device at home was ok with it)
00:08<k>i haven't read a single advertisement my friend. I am going off of testiminials from users who bought my same laptop and swapped out the wireless card
00:08<gry>it intermittently lost connection when I was sitting far from the modem, like a room away
00:09<gry>which one did they replace? i.e. which one was builtin?
00:09<k>this card is beautiful under windows and ubuntu actually
00:09<k>so i think it's a matter of getting the proper firmware or something
00:09<gry>I would do that only if the builtin one wasn't working, personally, but see if the direct URL I gave you starts working or not
00:09<k>if ubuntu can do it no sweat, no reason debian shouldn't
00:10<k>i will check it out. i switched because the built in one was junk
00:10<gry>ok
00:10<jmcnaught>k: it looks like your card got linux drivers in 4.1. if you want to run jessie, you'll need to install with ethernet and then install linux-image-amd64 and firmware-iwlwifi from jessie-backports
00:10<gry>he does not want to buy ethernet adapter for it yet
00:11<k>i will i have to. i have tried stretch
00:11<k>which includes 4.1
00:11<jmcnaught>for stretch support you need to go to #debian-next
00:12<k>excellent i did not know about that channel
00:12<jmcnaught>for a jessie install with no internet, use a larger ISO image (like cd-1 instead of netinst). the copy the kernel and firmware packages to it on a USB stick
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03:18<Guest3036>What is this place?
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03:19<Guest3036>Ok, orget this, I am leaving.
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03:47<CuteMeOwnThroat>it is a magical place full of wonders… and full of trolls and …
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03:49<bart>hi
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03:55<risky>hello guys
03:55<risky>can help me ?
03:56<risky>my backbox error
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03:56<jm_>!backbox
03:56<dpkg>BackBox Linux is a distribution based on <Ubuntu>, developed to perform penetration tests and security assessments. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.backbox.org/ #backbox on irc.autistici.org. See also <based on debian>.
03:57<risky>dpkg : i cant recon to that irc
03:57<dpkg>risky: I don't know, could you explain it?
03:57<risky>dpkg : i dont know
03:57<dpkg>risky: are you smoking crack?
03:57<risky>dpkg : ha ?
03:57<dpkg>ha is, like, High Availability, or <search> heartbeat, or 12.5% of an LOL
03:57<risky>dpkg : bot?
03:57<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
03:57<risky>dpkg : are you bot
03:57<dpkg>risky: are you smoking crack?
03:57<risky>dpkg : yes
03:57<dpkg>i don't know, risky
03:57<Ouroboros>amazing
03:57<risky>lol
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03:57<risky>i talk with bot
03:58<risky>dpkg : hellow
03:58<dpkg>i haven't a clue, risky
03:58<Ouroboros>its almost as good as eliza
03:58<risky>dpkg : what clue ?
03:58<dpkg>A clue is something that puts you on track to something, however you will not know for sure that the track you are put on is the right one. So, the conclusion is that whenever you get a clue you should investigate it! NOW!! Command Line User Environment, or something clueless people do without.
03:58<risky>Ouroboros : what you mean ?
03:58<risky>dpkg : you human ?
03:58<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
03:58<jm_>anyway, like it was pointed out above, this channel is for help with debian only
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04:00<Ouroboros>possible to prevent apt from treating package name as regex? seems even escaping special charts doesnt help
04:00<Ouroboros>i mean, it helps to the extent that they stop being special, but it still thinks its a regex
04:01<jm_>it does? never noticed that
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04:02<jm_>ok it does if one uses special chars in it, not otherwise
04:02<Ouroboros>it only happens if the package doesnt exist
04:02<Ouroboros>but still sort of annoying
04:03<jm_>hmm? http://paste.debian.net/889201/
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04:04<Ouroboros>it has to contain special chars *and* not exist
04:04<jm_>right, then it does yes
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04:05<Ouroboros>oh well, i will add it to "one of those things" column
04:05<jm_>but it can be escaped it seems: E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'bas\*'
04:05<Ouroboros>yes, but this will still match e.g. 'bas*foo' if that existed
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04:06<Ouroboros>so then you would have to anchor it as well
04:07<duclicsic>why would you be asking apt to install a package with regex special characters in the name? what such packages are there?
04:07<Ouroboros>duclicsic: special chars include . and +, lots of packages have those
04:07<jm_>it doesn't, it works as exepcted for me E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'zang\*and'
04:08<duclicsic>* is not a wildcard in regex
04:09<duclicsic>zang*and wouldn't match zangband if that's what you were testing
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04:10<jm_>doesn't matter, replace * with ., it's the same result
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04:11<duclicsic>not here
04:11<Ouroboros>my example was something like apt-get -s install "g\+\+-4\.4"
04:12<Ouroboros>this actually matches g++-4.4-multilib too
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04:13<Ouroboros>actually, sorry, seems the "contains special chars and package doesnt exist" isnt quite right :)
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04:17<Ouroboros>seems like \ forces it to be a regex regardless
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04:23<jm_>if I read the code right it uses fnmatch but doesn't pass FNM_NOESCAPE, just FNM_CASEFOLD, so it's weird
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04:25<Ouroboros>well, there really should just be a switch
04:26<jm_>ahh no, it's not just that, it also uses regcomp(), so still weird
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04:26<Ouroboros>i am not even sure anyone wants this regex functionality
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05:00<EmleyMoor>I'm running jessie, and using apcupsd across all my machines (except the laptop) to handle power outage situations. Unfortunately Debian shuts down USB quite early when shutting a machine down, meaning apcupsd cannot send the "powerdown" instruction to the UPS (this only applies on the machine with the USB connection). Is there anything I can alter in the shutdown scripts to get this sent? (I have alread
05:00<EmleyMoor>y set the UPS not to action that ...
05:00<EmleyMoor>... instruction for about 2 minutes after receiving it)
05:02<jm_>tried checking if a simple sleep after stop in its init script helps?
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05:03<stemid>https://paste.debian.net/889204/ this makes no sense to me. how come apt can't fetch that url but curl can?
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05:04<EmleyMoor>jm_: not personally... though from what I read elsewhere, it won't make a difference. Can try it myself, though as it requires a powerdown to test, it's a bit of a pain. However I have a window for such things coming up soon I think
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05:05<stemid>oh I had an apt proxy configured :/
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05:12<Guest3038>Hi all
05:12<EmleyMoor>OK, I've added a "sleep 30" to the end of the "stop" for apcupsd on the machine that has the USB connection to the UPS... and I have a planned test window coming up soon. Any further advice would be appreciated if there is any, so that I can configure for that too.
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05:15<EmleyMoor>(which script acually stops USB? Could do with finding out the sequence)
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05:18<Guest3038>why does lvm with luks not work
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05:19<Guest3038>how can i implement uefi on a debian installation on usb?
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05:27<Ouroboros>EmleyMoor: this is for when you want apcupsd to shutdown the machine and also kill ups power?
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05:30<Guest3038>anyone?
05:30<EmleyMoor>Ouroboros: Yes - so that if the power returns in a longer time than shutdown time but shorter than battery life, it restarts all devices attached
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05:31<Ouroboros>EmleyMoor: i am not sure how the configs work, because i dont have access to my apcupsd machine now
05:31<Ouroboros>but this is mentioned here: http://www.apcupsd.com/manual/manual.html#known-problems
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05:32<Ouroboros>so essentially the ups kill power command should happen first but with a long enough grace delay to complete shutdown
05:32<EmleyMoor>Yes
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05:33<Ouroboros>but if the ups script initiates the shutdown, why cant it send the kill command before calling system shutdown?
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05:33<Ouroboros>or does it call system shutdown and then the kill power happens in some sort of shutdown script/hook?
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05:33<EmleyMoor>Ouroboros: That's it..
05:34<Ouroboros>the last thing?
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05:34<Ouroboros>in that case, yeah, you will have to find where that is
05:34<EmleyMoor>Yes - it's called as part of the shutdown sequence
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05:34<Ouroboros>cant really help you, because i dont have jessie systemd stuff :) (actually mine is on solaris)
05:35<EmleyMoor>/etc/init.d/apcupsd - as an "if a particular file exists"
05:35<Ouroboros>wait
05:35<Ouroboros>should it be in init.d if there is systemd?
05:35<EmleyMoor>Ouroboros: Well, if tder
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05:36<EmleyMoor>Well, if there's a more systemd way to do it, that's what I need
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05:36<Ouroboros>maybe they havent updated apcupsd for that
05:36<EmleyMoor>(you're actually hitting the nail squarely on the head there)
05:36<EmleyMoor>They being?
05:36<Ouroboros>well
05:36<Ouroboros>is this a debian package?
05:36<EmleyMoor>Yes
05:36<Ouroboros>i am actually not super sure how init.d works in systemd (and as i said, i have no way to test it here)
05:37<Ouroboros>maybe someone else can explain how to create a proper dependency
05:37<Ouroboros>on whatever systemd service shuts down usb
05:37<Ouroboros>or the other way around, rather
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05:40<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... reported fixed in 3.14.14
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05:41<EmleyMoor>There isn't a backport - may see if that version will install directly... if today's test is a fail.
05:41<EmleyMoor>(it's in stretch)
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05:42<jm_>systemd uses LSB headers from init.d files to create unit files based on that
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05:44<EmleyMoor>It looks like there may be a fix in the version in stretch anyway so I'll try to install that if no go today. Looks like there are no dependency issues
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05:46<jm_>ahh yes, I missed the fact it uses systemd in testing when I checked it earlier
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05:47<EmleyMoor>I'm guessing I needn't actually upgrade it on the "client" systems...
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05:57<EmleyMoor>I've got my entire set of office computer equipment connected to just two outlets now - one to the UPS, the other to an 8-way splitter (printer, monitor, scanner, speakers and so on on that)
05:58<EmleyMoor>At least, for a test, I can leave the monitor etc. on...
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06:00<Ouroboros>this reminds me of those old tv commercials where the guy would plug in a xmas tree into an overloaded splitter and then everything would light on fire
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06:01<EmleyMoor>Ouroboros: UK? Quite hard to do.
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06:01<Ouroboros>apparently not :)
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06:11<missmbob>Ouroboros: you described my childhood. we had at least 3 fires
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06:14<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... seems to work pretty OK with the "sleep" but will try the newer version anyway (next test window on Thursday)
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06:16<missmbob>,checkbackport apcupsd
06:16<judd>Backporting package apcupsd in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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06:17<missmbob>!tell EmleyMoor about ssb
06:19<EmleyMoor>missmbob: I don't think that will be necessary, though I am already familiar with the technique
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06:21<Ouroboros>man, debian live has like 7 intrusion detectors installed
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06:23<petn-randall>Ouroboros: Which ones?
06:23<missmbob>not one
06:23<Ouroboros>samhain, rkhunter, aide, ...
06:24<missmbob>none of those are default in debian live.
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06:24<Ouroboros>this is oldold one
06:24<missmbob>no.
06:24<Ouroboros>(the rescue version)
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06:25<missmbob>so "not debian"
06:25<Ouroboros>how so
06:25<petn-randall>Well, I wouldn't exclude obsolete Debian live releases from "Debian".
06:25<missmbob>no debian live has ever had those things
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06:26<missmbob>derivatives != debian
06:27<Ouroboros>this is debian-live-6.0.6-amd64-rescue.iso
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06:27<missmbob>no. http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/6.0.6-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.6-amd64-rescue.iso.list
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06:30<missmbob>any other things to pull out of your ass?
06:30<petn-randall>missmbob: good point :)
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06:31<EmleyMoor>Anyone familiar with the setup of APC SmartUPS? Wondering how to disable the "group 1 off" stage on the UPS and have it all go off as "main group".
06:31<EmleyMoor>(I appreciate that's not Debian, of course)
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06:33<Ouroboros>missmbob: uh http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/6.0.6-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.6-amd64-rescue.iso.packages
06:36<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: Are you asking about how to configure apcupsd?
06:37<EmleyMoor>petn-randall: No... this is a UPS front panel thing.
06:38<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: Don't know much about that, sorry.
06:39<EmleyMoor>I'm actually confident, for the first time since getting the UPS, that it will do what I want (one outstanding fault on topdeck is slightly scuppering it, but I have plans to fix it{
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06:49<Ouroboros>missmbob: no further comments then?
06:51<missmbob>Ouroboros: nope
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07:51<Laudian>Heyho ;-) I have just installed gnome via apt-get and lazy as I am I did not use screen. While doing so the client disconnected after not being used for some time, which blocked me from using apt-get. I thought a reboot might solve this, and now my server does not boot anymore at all. Is there any way to fix this with just ftp access to the server ?
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08:04<Ouroboros><Laudian> which blocked me from using apt-get | eh?
08:05<Ouroboros>and how do you have ftp access if it does not boot
08:06<Ouroboros>you mean you can offline mount the partition
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08:39<MikeDebian>hi all. I've debian 8 with gnome 3.14.0 and gnome-shell 3.14.4. I'm trying to install other themes. generally I can install the theme but the gnome-shell part never works properly. with some themes it slightly change the application/places panel etc but never how it is supposed to. is there any kind of known issue with this?
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08:42<TotallyNotKim>MikeDebian: I dont remember why but I have something like this in y bashrc:
08:42<TotallyNotKim> gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface gtk-theme "Numix";
08:42<TotallyNotKim> gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences theme "Numix";
08:42<TotallyNotKim>try this command directly maybe they apply some magic
08:43<MikeDebian>didn't understand what the command is
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09:04<luna_>Hello anyone know what can be wrong if a Debian box, won't get the correct static ip?
09:04<grawity>static as in "static DHCP lease" or static as in "manually typed into /etc/network/interfaces"?
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09:20<Echoz>Why do they leave so fast, I have the answer for MikeDebian...
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09:20<TotallyNotKim>impatient folk
09:21<luna_>solved the problems was some http://www.openmediavault.org/ and Gnome Network manager settings that was wrong :P
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09:21<Echoz>Maybe not so used to the IRC pace
09:22<TotallyNotKim>gnar
09:22<TotallyNotKim>Network manager
09:22<TotallyNotKim>get rid of that
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10:44<medicalwei>How to install Debian into computer equipped with less than 500MiB disk? I want to install Debian for running Ceph OSD on a NAS.
10:45<bremner>medicalwei: use netinstall, don't install a desktop env.
10:46<bremner>should be fine.
10:46<bremner>minimal install is only ~200M iirc
10:46<medicalwei>bremner, It fails when installing kernel during core install.
10:47<bremner>also, ask your real question ;)
10:47<medicalwei>And I have 480M allocated for /
10:47<bremner>is there any error message?
10:47<bremner>do you have seperate /var or /usr?
10:47<medicalwei>Insufficient disk (likely). I turned off the NAS now.
10:48<medicalwei>But it has 120M available using df
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10:48<medicalwei>No I didn't separate /var nor /usr
10:49<medicalwei>The other partition is for EFI boot.
10:49<bremner>what are the 300M of stuff that you installed?
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10:50<medicalwei>d-i says only the core I have been installed. Didn't check the directory throughly.
10:50<medicalwei>*been installing*
10:50<bremner>hmm. OK, maybe debian got fatter since last time I measured
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10:51<bremner>indeed, the linux-image-*-amd64 package needs a lot of space.
10:51<medicalwei>Maybe the image you are measuring doesn't count the kernel. (debootstrap)
10:52<bremner>it's possible, I have only memory at this point.
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11:36<bremner>medicalwei: maybe you should try 686, if you didn't already
11:36<medicalwei>bremner, well I installed and found linux-amd64 occupied about 14x MiB
11:37<medicalwei>module alone
11:37<bremner>yes. 686 install size is about 40M less, just for the kernel
11:37<medicalwei>maybe I could try installing only necessary modules instead of all. which is an option in d-i
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11:52<eseyman>hi, folks
11:52<default>hi - former mac user new to debian, i want to run script on a file (ffmpeg copy m4a from mp4) - in mac this was called droplet - e.g. drag mp4 file to script icon, drop and have a m4a with the mp4 intact - how would i do in debian?
11:53<eseyman>I'm trying to build php on my system (don't ask) and I'm getting the error message "configure: error: Could not find /usr/lib/libsybdb.a|so"
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11:53<eseyman>I can't understand why dh_configure can't find /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsybdb.so
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11:54<eseyman>can anybody point me in the right direction?
11:54<default>or something like that
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11:55<bremner>eseyman: it's not really the job of dh_configure, but of the upstream build system
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11:55<bremner>in fact, I don't think dh_configure exists
11:56<eseyman>ah
11:56<bremner>maybe you mean dh_auto_configure, which is a simple wrapper for upstream configure methods
11:56<eseyman>yeah, dh_auto_configure
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11:57<bremner>you may get more relevant help about debian packaging on #packaging, btw
11:58<eseyman>thanks, I'll ask there
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12:02<medicalwei>will try i686 d-i now... amd64 kernel is too large to extract and it cannot extract..
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12:05<somiaj>eseyman: #debian-mentors as well
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12:07<bremner>well, #debian-mentors more or less split, so #debian-mentors is mainly about packaging for the archive
12:07<bremner>or that's the theory.
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12:09<somiaj>ahh didn't realize that
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12:13<bremner>I guess the topic in #debian-mentors is about the only "documentation"
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12:13<medicalwei>hmm recently split is because of some packaging questions but not interested into dupload
12:13<bremner>basically, the less cranky people went to #packaging
12:13<bremner>I can say that because I didn't go ;)
12:13<eseyman>join ##packaging
12:13<medicalwei>i don't know... just speculations from an email... xD
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12:14*medicalwei is installing (abusing) that NAS. Fifth trial of debianize the machine.
12:15<idcpd2>hii
12:15<idcpd2>hi
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12:25<iStrive>Can somebody help me setting up mutt to send email to a regular email account? Not gmail, but 1&1!
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12:27<iStrive>I have configured corntab to run scripts and would like to monitor the results without the need of signing in to check the email from the local account, by email content I can see if the login is required or not...
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12:27<iStrive>Is this possible?
12:28<iStrive>Anybody?
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12:28<eseyman>iStrive: you can set the MAILTO variable in the crontab
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12:29<eseyman>mail will be sent to whatever address you have defined there
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12:29<iStrive>eseyman I have done it but mutt gets the email reporting it cannot send out...
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12:30<iStrive>eseyman I guess it must be configured at /etc/mutt/muttrc file but I don't know how!
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12:31<eseyman>ah, then you need to configure the mail server on your machine to send mail
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12:31<iStrive>Eseyman do you have any info regarding this file setup to properly send emails?
12:31<eseyman>mutt is just a mail reader, you need to configure exim, postfix, sendmail or whatever mail server you have installed
12:32<iStrive>Eseyman I was reading about mutt and it has the SMTP built in now on Debian Jessie, but I have difficulties setting it up...
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12:34<eseyman>I doubt cron sends mail using mutt
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12:35<eseyman>iStrive: in your .muttrc, set 'set smtp_url="smtp://$MAILSERVER/"'
12:35<eseyman>(without the single quotes)
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12:41<iStrive>eseyman is it all that need to be changed? Do I need to enter user and password to the relay SMTP also? If so how to configure that to use T
12:41<iStrive>LS
12:42<eseyman>If you need to auth to the smtp relay to send mail, you can use smtp://$USER:$PASSWORD@$MAILSERVER/
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13:11<PatD>Questions about DirtyCow : On Jessie, I use the backport kernel +75. I need the +81 probably ? But the CVE says to use 4.7.8.1, which is not available in backports. In fact it is, but not as a meta package ? (singed/unsigned kernel packages...) Not sure I understand what is the real upgrade path here
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13:27<crane>hi, i am a little bit confused. can someone explain me why sometimes my value is set with sysctl and sometimes it choose a completly different value?
13:27<crane>https://dpaste.de/uDbW
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13:37<PatD>@crane : you hit a hard limit from the kernel ?
13:37<crane>PatD: that was my first suggestion. but if i enter different values different numbers will be inserted
13:38<PatD>@crane : value must be multiple of X ? somehow not all values are valid ? (I don't know that exact value)
13:38<PatD>I mean, I don't know your setting...
13:39<crane>PatD: 5000000000 => 705032704, 9000000000 => 410065408
13:39<crane>first value what i tested, second what i got
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13:40<PatD>no idea, I guess kernel devs would know. Maybe find a kernel dev channel ?
13:41<crane>hmkay, but thx :)
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14:00<huss>im booting debian iso from hdd.when grub start to load kernel i show 8 little window ,impossible to see an work
14:01<huss>im booting debian iso from hdd.when grub start to load kernel it show 8 little window ,impossible to see an work
14:01<huss>im booting debian iso from hdd.when grub start to load kernel it show 8 little window ,impossible to see and work
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14:43<crane>PatD: problem found
14:43<crane>buffer overflow
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15:19<mith_>hi
15:19<itd>mith_: hello
15:20<mith_>hello itd
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15:20<mith_>i would like to show the services of systemd
15:21<mith_>and the order with which they are initialized
15:21<somiaj>mith_: systemctl status (shows all running)
15:21<mith_>Ican I do it?
15:21<somiaj>mith_: systemctl should list all
15:21<mith_>hi somiaj
15:22<mith_>systemctl should list with the order of initialization?
15:22<mith_>and how can i modify this order?
15:23<somiaj>on systemctl lists them all
15:24<somiaj>systemctl status is a dependcy list of them currently running. Since it is a dependcy based setup there is no 'clear' order, just that somethigns must happen after (or before) other things.
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15:24<somiaj>mith_: why do you want to modify the order? What service is not loading in the correct order?
15:24<mith_>i understand
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15:25<mith_>I would insert in the boot a script to modify my mac address every time that I boot my laptop
15:26<mith_>and I would to know this order to insert correctly this script
15:27<somiaj>mith_: you will need to have it run
15:27<somiaj>run Before any networking scripts brining the interface up. When creating the unit file there is a Before= to allow this
15:28<mith_>i don't believe, it has to change my mac addres on boot and stop
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15:28<mith_>yes somiaj
15:29<mith_>and what can I write in Before=?
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15:30<ach>open synaptic package search arp spoof their you get
15:31<mith_>hi ach
15:31<itd>mith_: try 'man systemd.unit'
15:31<mith_>ok itd, thx
15:32<somiaj>mith_: do you use the interfaces file to bring up your network?
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15:32<mith_>i don't know very much the system, i'm using network manager...
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15:33<mith_>ach, i will look for it
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15:36<somiaj>mith_: I don't know network-manager but see if you can configure a pre-up script. This script will run before the network is brought up
15:37<mith_>yes, thank you somiaj, this night and tomorrow I will try all your suggestions
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22:39<Dewi>what sorts of problems might I expect running a wheezy kernel in jessie? I can't get the jessie ones to boot as guests in this xen environment, possibly to due to something like xz compression
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22:57<Ouroboros>Dewi: your xen is older than the one in wheezy?
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23:02<Dewi>Ouroboros: seems about the same, 4.1.6.1, so that possibly contradicts my xz compression theory
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23:03<Ouroboros>well, whats the actual error
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23:03<Dewi>Ouroboros: just a black screen in VNC, I don't have access to logs
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23:04<Dewi>I probably would need to go through that with the host, I was just wondering how much of a problem it is to keep running a wheezy kernel, while they are getting security
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23:20<Ouroboros>Dewi: you mean black screen in xen console?
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23:30<Ouroboros>Dewi: re xen version, if its not xen from debian, i guess it may still not have xz
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23:37<Dewi>Ouroboros: ah. thanks. it easily could be non-debian. the VNC I have is presumably to the xen console
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23:38<Ouroboros>one would think there would be a message there
23:39<Ouroboros>Dewi: also, cant you just change the kernel image compression for the jessie kernel?
23:40<Dewi>there was no message on it for other boot problems either
23:42<Dewi>change the compression by building my own kernel? Could do that if I need to
23:42<Dewi>but I'd really rather not
23:44<Ouroboros>well i think that is cleaner than running wheezy kernel
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23:45<Ouroboros>its just a matter of chaging one config parameter and compiling
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