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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-12-08

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03:27<TotallyNotKim>hey
03:27<TotallyNotKim>why would a server fill it's swap before utilizing physikal memory?
03:28<TotallyNotKim>or is it that physical memory was full, data was written to swap and physical memory usage sank again, while not needing the data from swap hence not reducing the swapped amout
03:31<C-Keen>the latter
03:31<C-Keen>swap is the place where the kernel puts memory pages that are allocated but currently not in use
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03:42<TotallyNotKim>so I should put some better logic behind my memory checks
03:43<TotallyNotKim>at the moment I get criticals based on swap and physical mempry usage in percent
03:43<TotallyNotKim>like this: Memory Usage (W> 90, C> 95): 27%; Swap Usage (W> 25, C> 50): 100%
03:44<TotallyNotKim>I guess a check like if (physical > 80 && swap > 80) should do the job better
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03:46<pinaraf>TotallyNotKim: it completely depends on your usage
03:46<pinaraf>also, don't forget to substract cache from physical usage
03:47<TotallyNotKim>yep, thats true. It's to be used as a n indicator for possible customer ram upgrades and or to see if something goes wrong and eats all the memory
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06:04<luckyuser>ciao chi siete
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06:49<FLD>https://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-official-vcs this recipy fails at "$ debian/rules orig" with: "Patch debian/version.patch does not apply (enforce with -f), debian/rules:73: recipe for target 'orig' failed"
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06:57<kennyngston>hello
06:58<kennyngston>i'd need some help with upgrading mesa from jessie-backports, but if i install it, it removes a lot of packages i'd be using - can anyone help me with this upgrade please?
06:59<TotallyNotKim>yep: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
06:59<jm_>maybe someone can help if you provide more information:
06:59<jm_>!bat
06:59<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
06:59<kennyngston>thanks, let me gather these
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07:08<kennyngston>jm_, here is the output: http://paste.debian.net/901192/
07:09<jm_>kennyngston: try installing libwayland-egl1-mesa from bpo too
07:09<kennyngston>ok let me try that
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07:12<kennyngston>let me restart so the new driver loads - if this works i owe you a beer
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07:15<kennyngston>ok seems like i have to manually upgrade all mesa packages to 12.0.4-2 if i want opengl to run on it?
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07:15<jm_>you probably want matched versions yes
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07:39<Anarka>ops
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08:48<TotallyNotKim>knock knock
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08:59<TotallyNotKim>su
09:00<petn-randall>su who?
09:00<TotallyNotKim>sudo apt-get me a coffee
09:01<petn-randall>E: Invalid operation me
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09:01<iKarith>LOL
09:02<petn-randall>Yeah, I'm fun at parties.
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09:33<txt-file>Is it possible to install debian jessie with full disk encryption with even /boot encrypted?
09:34<somiaj>yes, but only if you do a bunch of additional work, the installer isn't set up for this and I'm unsure the amount of extra work it takes to get grub to read an encrypted boot, but I belive the grub in jessie does support it.
09:35<somiaj>though not positive, never tried.
09:35<petn-randall>txt-file: http://www.pavelkogan.com/2014/05/23/luks-full-disk-encryption/
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09:38<txt-file>petn-randall: reading
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09:44<pdo_fn14>Okay, seem myself's affected by this hibernation bugs anyway.
09:44<pdo_fn14>Is't right to bisect of all these problem like that?.
09:44<pdo_fn14>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1206936#c79
09:45<pdo_fn14>AFAIK, this kind of bug is both affecting latest stable and backports kernel
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10:06<txt-file>good to know that debian jessie installer contains https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?41524
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10:08<txt-file>I tried it with "GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=1" and "GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=true" … didnt try with "=y"
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10:18<txt-file>petn-randall: full disk encryption is working with the link you provided. Thank you very much.
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10:30<petn-randall>txt-file: You're welcome!
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10:40<petn-randall>!list
10:40<dpkg>petn-randall: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.6.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
10:40<petn-randall>jplp: ^^^
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13:32<mherweg>i have a broken /dev/sda on a software raid 1 . how can i install the boot manager to the new disk ?
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13:36<blast007>mherweg: is the system still running or had you rebooted and it failed to boot to grub?
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13:40<mherweg>it's still running
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13:40<mherweg>Device: /dev/sda [SAT], 65528 Offline uncorrectable sectors
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13:42<mherweg>I'll try grub-install /dev/sdb first and see if it boots from sdb when sda is new & empty
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13:43<mherweg>blast007: it's still running
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13:44<blast007>that should take care of it
13:45<blast007>you might of course have to tweak the bios/setup to allow booting from the second disk
13:46<mherweg>ok, thanks
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13:47<mherweg>after booting I'll check which disk is where and then do the partitioning of the new disk and grub install to the new disk
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15:13<user01>is there common wisdom on create a swap partition on a laptop with 256 GB SSD and 8 GB ram? should there be swap created?
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15:20<jhutchins>user01: Usually suspend-to-disk won't work unless swap is >= ram.
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15:22<jhutchins>mherweg: You might want to make sure you have bootable media (CD/USB) BEFORE you shut down.
15:22<jhutchins>damhikt
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15:22<mherweg>jhutchins: sure
15:23<user01>jhutchins, hmmm it doesnt wear out ssd faster though?
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15:26<jhutchins>user01: With 8G of ram you shouldn't swap execpt to suspend. SSD life is prety reliable these days, most people just don't sweat it.
15:26<user01>jhutchins, i found something that recommended zram . . .
15:27<jhutchins> http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ssd_write_limit
15:27<jhutchins>user01: REmember there's a lot of old advice on the interwebz that no longer applies to current hardware.
15:27<Echoz>jhutchins: I have 32G ram and 32G swap on this machine... because i can
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15:29<jhutchins>I remember how impressed we were when one of the other departments upgraded their servers to 1TB ea. Old had now.
15:30<jhutchins>s/had/hat/
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15:36<jhutchins>I have one host that has 1.28TB _free_.
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15:40<user01>hmm is it me or are laptops getting worse all the time
15:40<jhutchins>user01: It's you. What's the problem?
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15:42<user01>jhutchins, well when i first started working for this company we had thinkpads where you could easily remove stuff, nice keyboard, trackpad, easily upgradeable battery . . . then they switched to dell latitude e7240, still easily switchable battery, could easily insert 2nd ssd drive
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15:43<missmbob>!ot
15:43<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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15:44<user01>sorry was installing debian and getting pissed at technology
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15:45<user01>cause the new one is like a mac basically
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16:16<ghshgdfhg>what
16:16<ghshgdfhg>240
16:16<ghshgdfhg>?
16:17<ghshgdfhg>{4243}
16:18<petn-randall>ghshgdfhg: Do you have a Debian support question?
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16:23<ghshgdfhg>petn-randall,ishall)
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16:24<ghshgdfhg>maybe
16:25<ghshgdfhg>later
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16:33<ghshgdfhg>how to avoid flash corruption under debian?
16:34<ghshgdfhg>noway or norway?
16:34<eu>looking at the backscroll I'd say its unavoidable in your case ghshgdfhg
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16:35<ghshgdfhg>must be something better this multiverse,imo
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16:45<ghshgdfhg>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1bB9U6jwvs
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16:47<missmbob>ghshgdfhg: please stop spamming the channel
16:49<ghshgdfhg>missmbob,my miss not here, who r u?
16:49<missmbob>!ot
16:49<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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20:17<Guest1082>Where can I download a live image of debian stable that has the latest updates also installed?
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20:22<missmbob>Guest1082: there's no such thing
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20:23<missmbob>Guest1082: you can get the latest release but there doesnt include the updates including security updates since
20:23<Guest1082>missmbob: Oh. That seems like something people would want though.
20:23<Guest1082>Because I can't install the latest kernel for example without rebooting, but with a live image that wouldn't work.
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20:24<sney>stable 8.6 is not significantly different from 8.5 or 8.0 etc, it's just bugfix and security updates
20:24<missmbob>Guest1082: so is your real question how to get an iso with a newer kernel?
20:25<Guest1082>the kernel is important but no my real question is the same as I asked it originally: I would like to have an iso of debian stable that has been updated fully (aptitude update, aptitude upgrade)
20:25<missmbob>Guest1082: doesnt exist
20:25<Guest1082>Can I make one?
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20:26<missmbob>no. jidgo will only make the same iso as released. not updated at all
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20:26<Guest1082>what about debian-live?
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20:27<missmbob>same. no iso is refreshed that often. that's crazy.
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20:29<Guest1082>well, kernel updates don't happen that often, so an iso refresh wouldn't be crazy if that was criteria for updating it
20:29<missmbob>Guest1082: that's why i asked if you just wanted something with a newer kernel.
20:30<Guest1082>No that's not good enough...I want all packages up-to-date.
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20:30<missmbob>Guest1082: the thing is iso's dont include jessie-backport packages. but since stretch is near freeze, it wouldnt be crazy for you to install it using alpha 8 installer, which comes with 4.8
20:31<missmbob>Guest1082: and i told you that's not happening. so i that's that.
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20:31<Guest1082>what is jessie-backport?
20:32<missmbob>!jessie-backports
20:32<dpkg>Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>.
20:32<missmbob>jessie-backports currently has kernel 4.7
20:33<wojtek>!jessie
20:33<dpkg>Jessie is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25: http://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150426 . Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie and ask me about <install jessie> <release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Currently <8.6>.
20:33<wojtek>!stretch
20:33<dpkg>The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch
20:33<Guest1082>Oh okay, I don't want to mess with backports then. I just wanted to let stable be stable. But what does it mean that stretch is near freeze?
20:33<missmbob>wojtek: please /msg the bot if you're doing it for yourself
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20:34<missmbob>Guest1082: stretch is the next stable release. it means it's soon not going to allow new packages other than bug fixes
20:34<missmbob>Guest1082: preparing for it's release as stable
20:34<Guest1082>what is the overall status of stretch, is it reasonably stable and how close is it to being ready for release?
20:35<missmbob>relase will be around april. it's okay if you pay attention
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20:35<Guest1082>oh wow I am impressed because wasn't jessie released not too long ago?
20:36<missmbob>Guest1082: debian does a stable release on average every 2 years
20:37<missmbob>jessie was released 2015-04-25
20:37<Guest1082>missmbob: Can you help me find the live image for stretch? I just want the amd64 iso with the default desktop.
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20:38<missmbob>Guest1082: for install or to use as live? live iso's dont support uefi. most new machines wont be able to install from it unless you change your bios/firmware settings
20:38<Guest1082>as live
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20:39<missmbob>Guest1082: i dont think there is a live stretch non-free
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20:40<Guest1082>I don't want non-free
20:40<Guest1082>just a regular stretch live iso that was built recently
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20:42<sney>those appear to be here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/
20:42<Guest1082>this would be it? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/
20:42<sney>don't know what's up with the version numbers but weekly build means testing
20:42<Guest1082>oh hey sney you found it also :)
20:42<Guest1082>thx!
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20:43<sney>standard disclaimer about testing images behaving funny
20:43<sney>if you have any problems with those, #debian-live are the only people who can possibly help you.
20:43<Guest1082>the dates for that link say 2015-10-19 08:14 1.3G
20:44<Guest1082>does that mean it wasn't built since that time?
20:44<Guest1082>so it is over a year old image?
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20:45<sney>ah, I guess so
20:46<sney>debian-live doesn't get a lot of focus I think
20:46<Guest1082>oh, then I don't want it. hmm.
20:47<Guest1082>gee, I really wish I could get a live iso image that is updated. It doesn't seem like asking for too much.
20:48<wojtek>whois coruja
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20:49<missmbob>debian live's main (and really only) develop quit about 9 months ago
20:49<missmbob>developer*
20:50<missmbob>or maybe even longer. i'm not the best with time
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20:51<sney>there is a live-build package for making your own (from an existing system) and there used to be a website that would build one for you but I can't find it now
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20:53<Guest1082>sney: Yeah I can use the live-build package and make my own I guess, but I'm not sure the config for that is available?
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20:53<Guest1082>I mean the live-build config for building an "official" live image
20:55<sney>yeah, I don't know
20:55<sney>it should be not too hard to reverse engineer though I'd think
20:56<sney>so much of a base system is automated by apt, and the rest is tasksel
20:56<Guest1082>yeah it's probably just the standard system + the gnome meta package. Right?
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20:59<sney>most likely yes
21:01<Guest1082>oh, now they are using live-wrapper which is a different system to build live images.
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21:05<Guest1082>but I think live-wrapper is not available in jessie. haha.
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21:32<somiaj>Guest1082: at one time there was some docs (they may be in a package) that described how to take one of the lists of the live images and build it on your end.
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21:32<somiaj>Guest1082: though with change of live.debian.net I am not quite sure where things are located anymore.
21:32<Guest1082>somiaj: yeah I'm working on it but I'm stuck
21:32<Guest1082>https://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/live-manual/stable/manual/html/live-manual.en.html#clone-configuration-via-git
21:32<Guest1082>and #debian-live is dead.
21:33<Guest1082>somiaj: I'm at the step where it says $ cd images/standard
21:33<Guest1082>but that does not make sense as a command at that point.
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21:35<somiaj>I'm not quite sure what that lb command is doing. But that git file still exists?
21:35<Guest1082>yeah it does because I used it to generate my live-build directories
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21:36<somiaj>Guest1082: and your doing this on jessie?
21:36<Guest1082>yes
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21:37<Guest1082>maybe that git file is wrong, I dunno. But the command worked and it generated a live-build directory structure to use. I just can't figure out how to make it build the particular image I want which is the gnome image.
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21:41<somiaj>that command didn't work for me, I had to remove teh http:// from it, then I got some stuff, and a README
21:41<somiaj>seems they split the images into different branches
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21:43<somiaj>from the README: * master\n This branch contains this README file and is otherwise not used.
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21:43<Guest1082>somiaj: Yes I removed the http:// from it also
21:44<Guest1082>so what does that mean? the instructions are wrong?
21:44<somiaj>seems you will want the debian-old-jessie branch or maybe debian-old-jessie-standard (REDME just says debian-old-* for specific debian stable branches)
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21:44<somiaj>it appears you ahve to first use git to clone the branch you want.
21:45<Guest1082>somiaj: Oh, I'm a total git newb. In fact I just installed it for this. Do you know how to clone the branch I want?
21:45<somiaj>I only know the basics and do it from git hub where I can point and click...was hoping for a more detailed description of this repo.
21:46<Guest1082>well there is this https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debian-live/
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21:48<Guest1082>somiaj: Does that explain it?
21:48<somiaj>ahh the link failed when I clicked it didn't try another
21:48<Guest1082>yeah I re-worked that link, it was broken in the manual.
21:49<somiaj>that dosen't look like the same git repo described in the README file
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21:49<Guest1082>well it is the one linked to in the debian-live manul.
21:49<somiaj>ahh this readme is from 2012, I shoudln't trust it
21:50<Guest1082>debian-live needs some love apparently
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21:51<Guest1082>Do you understand how do I use git to clone the branch I want?
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21:54<somiaj>I don't live build well enough, You might just have to idel in debian-live for a while
21:54<Guest1082>ok
21:55<somiaj>There are some guides on making persistant live images from jessie. I've seen them on forums, would that suit your needs?
21:56<Guest1082>maybe, but my goal is to create a live image of jessie (or even stretch) that is up-to-date with the repositories.
21:56<Guest1082>and I don't need persistence
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22:12<Guest1082>shouldn't be too hard to clone the right git repository
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22:17<wojtek>try git clone http://reposito.ry/repo.git
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22:17<Guest1082>wojtek: what is that
22:17<wojtek>a command to clone a repository from shell
22:18<wojtek>$ git clone http://repository.org/repo.git
22:18<Guest1082>oh it's the git command
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22:18<Guest1082>got it
22:18<Guest1082>$ git clone http://anonscm.debian.org/git/debian-live/live-images.git fatal: destination path 'live-images' already exists and is not an empty directory.
22:19<wojtek>it seems you already cloned it
22:19<Guest1082>yes but something isn't right because a directory that the instructions refer to is not present.
22:19<Guest1082>I'm following instructions on how to make a clone of the debian live image: https://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/live-manual/stable/manual/html/live-manual.en.html#clone-configuration-via-git
22:19<wojtek>$ ls -halF live-images
22:21<Guest1082>https://paste.debian.net/901353/
22:21<Guest1082>wojtek: ^
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22:29<wojtek>Guest1082: why do you need it to be updated at boot
22:29<wojtek>can`t you update it every time after the boot?
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22:37<wojtek>Guest1082: try: $ git clone -b upstream http://anonscm.debian.org/git/debian-live/live-images.git
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22:48<somiaj>that repo just looks outdated, the branches are like debian-old-4.0 and debian-branch says releaseing version 5.0
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22:49<somiaj>that number is might be off or mean a live image. I see jessie mentioned somewhere
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22:50<somiaj>yea that repo has the images in them
22:50<somiaj>https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debian-live/live-images.git/tree/images?h=debian
22:51<somiaj>I just didn't dig, got distracted by the versions
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