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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-12-14

---Logopened Wed Dec 14 00:00:16 2016
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00:48<awal1>detrout: what's the name of the process?
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00:55<detrout>I rebooted which fixed it. I think it was WebKitProc| truncated by edge of top
00:55<detrout>awal1 ^
00:56<detrout>I'm using a dell xps 13, and occasionally the ethernet port over usb 3 disappears and I end up with just WiFi.
00:56<detrout>and that had happened when I had the 50% cpu process
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00:56<jm_>see if kernel says anything about it
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01:07<detrout>jm_: hm. looks like the ethernet may not have come back from resume https://paste.debian.net/902107/
01:08<detrout>I'll need to pay closer attention to see if the ethernet has trouble coming back up after a sleep/resume
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01:09<jm_>detrout: possibly, I've noticed something similar with my desktop onboard ethernet, so I put it down before sleep, remove the module, then do the reverse on resume
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01:21<Fenhl>hello, I am trying to install a gem (https://github.com/taw/magic-search-engine) using bundler and am getting this error: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/mGnskuy8/
01:22<Fenhl>I've tried looking up the various errors but I'm not finding anything helpful. Could someone please help me fix this?
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01:26<jm_>try adding qtbase5-dev to the install command but be sure to check what apt will do before proceeding
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01:42<Fenhl>jm_: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/4QHkjThj/
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01:46<detrout>jm_: thanks for the suggestion I'll try the module unload idea
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01:49<M4rc>@blu: hallo nachbar ;)
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02:01<jm_>Fenhl: see what dpkg says now
02:01<jm_>!bat
02:01<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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02:03<pronet>okay, Just a sec
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02:06<Fenhl>jm_: http://paste.debian.net/902110/ http://paste.debian.net/902111/
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02:08<pronet>@dpkg output command on terminal #root wifite -opt
02:09<pronet>just sent you the py. file @dpkg
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02:11<jelly>pronet: dpkg is a bot. Show your URL here in the channel.
02:12<pronet>>>Okay.
02:12<jelly>or explain your issue from the start
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02:12<pronet>@jelly wifite -cant capture handshake-
02:13<jelly>pronet: which debian release are you using?
02:14<jelly>,v wifite
02:14<judd>Package: wifite on amd64 -- jessie: 2.0r85-1; sid: 2.0.85~gitedbdedd14-1; stretch: 2.0.85~gitedbdedd14-1
02:14<pronet>ubuntu 13.3
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02:15<jelly>that's a weird version even for ubuntu
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02:16<pronet>Its Stable for my pc.
02:16<jelly>pronet: this channel can only deal with issues on actual debian. Try asking in #ubuntu channel over on irc.freenode.net, or probably a wireless-related channel
02:16<pronet>roger.
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02:55<Fenhl>any ideas?
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05:13<pdo_fn14>!firefox
05:13<dpkg>From 2006 to 2016, Mozilla Firefox was known as "Iceweasel" in Debian because Mozilla would not permit Debian to use the Firefox name. Firefox packages are now available for both jessie and sid; Firefox in Debian <stable> follows the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. For the latest versions, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>.
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05:15<TotallyNotKim>ayyyyy
05:16<TotallyNotKim>I got a system that somehow mangeds to rek it's filesystem while rebooting
05:16<TotallyNotKim>manages*
05:17<TotallyNotKim>I rebooted into recovery, corrected the fs with fsck and rebootet, at this point the fs is unclean again
05:17<TotallyNotKim>fsck after fsck _before_ rebooting reports fs clear
05:17<TotallyNotKim>clean*
05:17<TotallyNotKim>what could the problem be?
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05:30<shambi>quelqun içi qui parle francais pourrait m'aider pour installer mon scanner canon sur debian jessie 8.6
05:30<itd>!fr
05:30<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
05:30<shambi>je suis deja sur debian fr
05:30<shambi>et l'on m'as conseille de venir içi
05:30<itd>shambi: My frensh is bad, sorry.
05:31<petn-randall>shambi: /join #debianfr
05:31<itd>shambi: If you can read & write english you may receive help here. :)
05:31<itd>(I understand they send you here.)
05:32<petn-randall>shambi: Or we can support you in English here.
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05:34<itd>shambi: "Si vous êtes capable de lire et écrire en anglais vous pouvez recevoir de l'aide ici." Maybe. ;)
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05:45<hackkunoichi_>shambi want to install a canon scanner on jessie 8.6
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05:54<itd>shambi: What is the name of your scanner?
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05:55<narcan>and he have also a line6 usb "soundcard". And Debian doesn't detect his scanner because there is this line6 "soundcard"
05:57<narcan>shambi: first of all, you should to send us (with pastbin) the output of the "lsusb" command when all the devices are plugged and turn on
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07:14<hackkunoichi_>shambi: Tu dois tout d’abord brancher ton scanner, puis taper la commande "lsusb" dans le shell et envoyer le résultat par pastbin sur le chan, pour que l’on puisse voir les périphériques connectés et te dire ce que tu dois faire.
07:15<babilen>dpkg: fr
07:15<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
07:15<hackkunoichi_>Thanks narcan :)
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07:16<hackkunoichi_>babilen: I translate the conversation in french/English - English/french
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07:17<hackkunoichi_>babilen: nobody on the french chan knows what to do.
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07:18<babilen>hackkunoichi_: And many people in here don't speak French
07:18<babilen>If you could translate the question into English we might be able to do someting
07:18<hackkunoichi_>babilen: But i translate. :)
07:20<hackkunoichi_>babilen: see the logs, i have allready translate the question in English and i was translating the answer in French.
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07:55<mos>大家好
07:56<grove>!cn
07:56<dpkg>如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助,請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道,連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明,或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作!
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07:59<mos>(´・ω・`)
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10:57<cyberoptiq>has anyone had problems with lsusb hanging??
10:57<suy>hi
10:57<TotallyNotKim>not here, no
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10:57<suy>sorry man i have a problem
10:57<cyberoptiq>not working for me....run the command and it just hangs.....
10:58<suy>I dont see user in all chat
10:58<suy>channel
10:58<cyberoptiq>currently running: 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 (2016-10-19)
10:58<TotallyNotKim>suy: there are quite a few, go ahead if you need help
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10:58<suy>ahead is a channel?
10:59<cyberoptiq>I see lot's of info from Google search about problems with lsusb hanging but no good solutions....
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10:59<cyberoptiq>checked on Debians site and there is no mention of it all although there are reports of it hanging for other people....not just me.....
10:59<suy>sorry man but you undersand me... im not speck englesh very well, also, i dont speck englesh and stop...
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11:00<suy>and im here for 2 scope
11:00<suy>one is learn programming, and more
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11:00<suy>two is learn englesh
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11:00<suy>lol
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11:00<TotallyNotKim>cyberoptiq: looking into it
11:00<TotallyNotKim>!lol
11:00<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
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11:01<cyberoptiq>thanks, TotallyNotKim....
11:01<suy>or lol
11:01<somiaj>suy: what language?
11:01<suy>italiam
11:01<suy>italina
11:01<somiaj>!it
11:01<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
11:01<suy>wtf
11:01<suy>italian
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11:01<suy>ahahaj tnk
11:01<somiaj>Unsure on population, but there is a support channel that may have some users
11:02<suy>but my secondary scope, is learn englesh
11:02<cyberoptiq>then learn proper spelling as well: English not englesh
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11:02<somiaj>suy: this isn't a social channel, so if you are looking to speak in english try #debian-offtopic or I think #moocows
11:02<suy>very tnk somiaj
11:02<TotallyNotKim>cyberoptiq: cant find any recent info on it, but it _seems_ that it was driver related for previous users
11:02<cyberoptiq>oh great.....
11:02<cyberoptiq>now what.....
11:02<somiaj>suy: though if you want debian support in english, you are in the right place.
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11:03<suy>aha hvery wel somiaj
11:03<TotallyNotKim>so do you use a hub, or onboard usb?
11:03<suy>well
11:03<cyberoptiq>only the mouse is recognized when connected.....
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11:03<cyberoptiq>no straight connection
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11:03<cyberoptiq>onboard USB
11:03<cyberoptiq>works fine
11:03<suy>for me?
11:03<cyberoptiq>but when I connect a USB drive they're not recognized.....
11:03<TotallyNotKim>can you paste a lspci on pastebin?
11:04<cyberoptiq>ok
11:04<TotallyNotKim>did you mount the drive?
11:04<cyberoptiq>in all linux distros I've used it was always automatic....
11:04<cyberoptiq>never had to actually mount them.....
11:04<TotallyNotKim>well that depends
11:05<TotallyNotKim>gnoe _could_ do it for you
11:05<TotallyNotKim>gnome*
11:05<TotallyNotKim>or gui's in general
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11:05<TotallyNotKim>if you're in text mode / headless it wont, unless specified in fstab
11:05<cyberoptiq>http://pastebin.com/BFG0XmjU
11:05<suy>guys, you know there is a channel that support tor?
11:06<suy>you know if there
11:06<cyberoptiq>suy google it
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11:06<somiaj>!tor
11:06<dpkg>The Onion Router (Tor) is a low-latency anonymous communication system. Packaged for Debian, only enables the onion proxy by default. For use on OFTC, ask me about <oftc tor>. Tor is not allowed on freenode's #debian (http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor), ask me about <tor-sasl>. https://torproject.org/ #tor on irc.oftc.net.
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11:06<somiaj>suy: /join #tor
11:06<suy>sorry , u are right
11:07<cyberoptiq>TotallyNotKim I posted the location for the Pastebin...
11:07<cyberoptiq>did you see it??
11:07<cyberoptiq>let me know if not I'll post it again....
11:07<cyberoptiq>using Gnome btw
11:07<TotallyNotKim>cyberoptiq: try unplugging the drive, connecting it and post the output of "dmesg -T | tail -n 60" on pastebin
11:07<TotallyNotKim>I did see it, thanks
11:07<cyberoptiq>ok...I'll try that next
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11:09<cyberoptiq>TotallyNotKim - http://pastebin.com/XG0NR8Q6
11:10<cyberoptiq>BTW....this is for any USB drive I connect except for the mouse which works fine....
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11:12<TotallyNotKim>is it 08:30 in your timezone?
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11:12<cyberoptiq>11:13am EST
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11:13<cyberoptiq>system time is showing correct though in bottom right panel....
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11:14<TotallyNotKim>strange, post the whole dmesg output again please
11:14<TotallyNotKim>without -T nor tail
11:14<TotallyNotKim>just "dmesg"
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11:14<cyberoptiq>ok
11:14<TotallyNotKim>could be quite a bit
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11:16<cyberoptiq>http://pastebin.com/ht46k85h
11:16<TotallyNotKim>thx, one sec
11:16<cyberoptiq>k
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11:20<TotallyNotKim>was the drive connected before you booted, or did you hotplug it?
11:21<cyberoptiq>hotplug
11:21<TotallyNotKim>I see a bug where the system wouldnt dedect hotpluged devices, whcih would explain why the mouse works
11:21<cyberoptiq>I'm thinking the USB port itself may be non-functional....
11:21<cyberoptiq>laptop only has 2
11:21<TotallyNotKim>shutdown, stick it in and boot
11:21<TotallyNotKim>lol get rid of the mouse
11:21<TotallyNotKim>just for testing
11:21<cyberoptiq>hate trackpads
11:22<cyberoptiq>hehehe....
11:22<cyberoptiq>but will try rebooting with a random USB drive connected...will report back what I find.....
11:22<cyberoptiq>thx
11:22<TotallyNotKim>np
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11:27<jhutchins>cyberoptiq: lsusb hanging implies a possible problem with something on the usb bus. dmesg might have info on what it finds when it boots or you plug something in.
11:27<cyberoptiq>TotallyNotKim - well rebooting with a USB drive connected seemed to work because now it shows up as a mounted removable drive....
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11:28<cyberoptiq>also when I rebooted with the USB drive connected the laptop crashed.....
11:28<cyberoptiq>had to do a hard shut down.....
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11:30<cyberoptiq>jhutchins - sorry just noticed your post....I replied thinking it was from TotallyNotKim.....hehehehe....
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11:31<cyberoptiq>jhutchins - I've Googled that problem to no end but not much info out there for Debian at least....
11:31<cyberoptiq>just that it's a known issue.....
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11:33<jhutchins>cyberoptiq: Still worth scanning dmesg and seeing what it thinks is happening.
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11:34<cyberoptiq>I wouldn't know what to look for...that's why I was Google searching and, last resort, came on here to see if anyone has noticed LSUSB hanging.....
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11:37<TotallyNotKim>jhutchins: already have his dmesg: http://pastebin.com/ht46k85h
11:38<TotallyNotKim>i can see a stack trace, didnt looked into it any further tho
11:38<cyberoptiq>I can post the new dmesg from after the reboot if you want to compare between the 2
11:38<TotallyNotKim>cyberoptiq: so is it a faulty usb port, or did a reboot alone did it
11:39<cyberoptiq>not sure if it's faulty but maybe....reboot did it for now.....
11:39<TotallyNotKim>pretty sure it's not faulty f it works now
11:39<cyberoptiq>I know I can't do a restart while its connected because it'll crash the laptop.....
11:39<TotallyNotKim>seems like a driver bug then, which breaks hotplugging and usb in general
11:40<cyberoptiq>may just be the laptop since it's an old dog.....
11:40<TotallyNotKim>it's generic intel tho
11:40<jhutchins>Could be udev
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11:40<cyberoptiq>it's a Lenovo X230 Thinkpad....
11:40<cyberoptiq>Intel Core i5 vPro
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11:40<cyberoptiq>if that helps....
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11:41<cmluciano>can anyone point me to a channel that could help with ufw development?
11:41<TotallyNotKim>the firewall ufw?
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11:42<cmluciano>Yepyep
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11:43<cyberoptiq>I just disconnected the USB thumb drive and connected my 160GB external drive and it now shows up in file manager.....go figure.....
11:43<TotallyNotKim>for firewall stuff in general I would recommend ##networking on freenode, dont know if we have something similar on qfct
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11:43<cmluciano>Ok thanks
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11:44<cyberoptiq>guess I should connect them to the system on bootup so that they show up in filemanager.....only problem remaining is LSUSB hanging when run......
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11:44<zathras>Hi. On Debian Jessie I can run Perl scripts in cgi-bin, but when I execute them in document-root (Apache) it just shows the script but does not execute
11:45<cyberoptiq>from the command line I mean.....
11:45<TotallyNotKim>cyberoptiq: as I said it seems to be driver related, hard to debug for me at the moment
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11:45<zathras>I assume I need to config a handler. Can someone point me to the proper location to do so?
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11:45<cyberoptiq>no worries, TotallyNotKim....appreciate your and jhutchins assistance.....
11:46<TotallyNotKim>welcome
11:46<cyberoptiq>Later all....good day.....
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11:48<tomg>cyberoptiq: that's the reason for the creation of /cgi-bin/ directory
11:49<tomg>to be the place where scripts are executed. if you want to you can add permissions to other directories. read the Apache docs
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11:49<tomg>oh, sorry, meant to be directed to zathras
11:50<zathras>tomg, I know, just was looking for a quick pointer without the need to dive into the docs
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11:51<tomg>don't have one sorry. read the docs
11:52<tomg>the cgi chapter, execute permissions. maybe copy the lines in the Apache conf file that give permission for cgi execution in /cgi-bin/ to your documentroot stanza. but I still think you' need to at least read one paragraph from the docs, sorry :)
11:54<zathras>thanks
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11:56<tomg>hth. you can ask more questions if you want later :)
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12:30<jhutchins>zathras: Yeah, definitely need to look at apache's docs for execution, I think they explain why executable root might be bbad.
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12:33<zathras>jhutchins, indeed it is bad. But I need a quick fix for a poc. Not something I would do in production
12:33<zathras>btw> already fixed
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12:33<tomg>proof of concept?
12:35<tomg>nevermind, I got it
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13:58<libreman>I have problem with Intel Skylake and OpenGPL rendering. It seems libGL can't find the drivers for i965. Here is the output of glxinfo: http://paste.lisp.org/display/334059. Does anybody recognize this problem or knows a solution?
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14:00<petn-randall>libreman: Looks like your running a VMware instance, and not on bare metal.
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14:01<libreman>No I'm running on bare metal. This is the output when you're using software rendering I thought by reading the wiki.
14:01<blast007>!skylake
14:01<dpkg>an <intel-gfx> chipset requiring firmware. For jessie support, enable <backports> and <non-free sources>, then install <bpo kernel>, xserver-xorg-video-intel and firmware-misc-nonfree from jessie-backports.
14:02<blast007>(you can /msg the bot about any of the things in <> brackets, for example: /msg dpkg bpo kernel )
14:03<libreman>I did install the newest kernel and those package from backports
14:04<libreman>But I'll try to run the command by the bot and reboot
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14:08<libreman>That didn't seem to solve the problems blast007
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14:08<blast007>so 'uname -r' shows a 4.7 kernel?
14:09<libreman>'4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64'
14:09<blast007>hmm
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14:13<tomg>does he still need a lib or x- package in addition to firmware packages?
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14:14<itd>The "Error initializing buffer manager." originates probably from mesa. (Not sure if that helps in any way.)
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14:27<libreman>When trying vainfo or vdpauinfo I also get 'vainfo: intel_memman.c:39: intel_memman_init: Assertion `intel->bufmgr' failed.'
14:29<libreman>Would it be an idea to upgrade to debian sid?
14:29<itd>!sid
14:29<dpkg>methinks sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
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14:31<itd>compare: https://sources.debian.net/src/intel-vaapi-driver/1.7.3-1/src/intel_memman.c/#L38 and https://sources.debian.net/src/mesa/12.0.4-2/src/mesa/drivers/dri/i915/intel_screen.c/#L999
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14:32<libreman>itd: But the code that executes before this code might be different so that the assertion is false in one case and true in another.
14:32<itd>I guess "intelScreen->bufmgr = intel_bufmgr_gem_init(spriv->fd, BATCH_SZ);" fails. No idea why.
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14:42<FLD>boy, I'm starting to dread the jessie->stretch kde-desktop migration from plasma4 to plasma5...
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14:44<FLD>it's going to be a lot of work and ideally you would want both desktops running side-by-side to make the migration easier
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14:46<itd>libreman: which version of libdrm do you have installed?
14:47<libreman>itd: It seems none
14:47<libreman>Well that solved it!
14:48<itd>Nice. :)
14:49<libreman>Thank you very much!
14:49<itd>The function intel_bufmgr_gem_init (is #define as drm_intel_bufmgr_gem_init ) and lives there. ;)
14:49<somiaj>FLD: well you can test it out or wait until the release of stretch. If you are wanting to test it out, #debian-next may be more helpful.
14:50<FLD>somiaj: personally, i have no technical obstacles of doing it but im just dreading the sheer amount of work that its going to be :)
14:51<somiaj>debian tries to make upgrades as painless as possible. In general jessie->strecth should work for the kde desktop
14:51<FLD>because plasma 5 has removed a bunch of features compared to plasma 4, so for each feature removed, you will have to figure out another solution on plasma 5
14:51<itd>libreman: What did you install? (Can't find 'libdrm'.)
14:52<libreman>libdrm-intel1
14:52<FLD>and they've also changed the configuration path, so all of your settings from plasma 4 and a lot of the kde apps that come with it are going to be reset to default settings
14:52<libreman>But is seems to be in non-free :(
14:52<ompaul>FLD: well you can run testing and work it out - and you can also backup your current and test the new
14:52<ompaul>we encourge that kind of behaviour.
14:52<itd>libreman: Sounds reasonable, thanks. :)
14:53<ompaul>test it before it gets released and have your bug reports
14:53<somiaj>FLD: debian spends a lot of effot to make thigns upgradeable. Though sometimes user configs get in the way, and it is best the user just get a new default config and build up, nto rely on their old one. Since I don't use kde not sure on the details
14:54<somiaj>but the upgrade should work nicely. Dealing with any user customizations is another story
14:54<FLD>ill have to sit down and go trough every settings nook & cranny of every kde tool and migrate those manually to plasma 5 :P
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14:54<somiaj>or just start with the new debian default, and modify the thigns you need
14:55<FLD>essentially the same thing
14:56<somiaj>on eway may be less work.
14:57<ompaul>you can just drop things like konversation settings into play
14:57<FLD>it is essentially how im going to do it and ill use my plasma4 as a guide and hope i remember everything that i will need to remember
14:57<FLD>i should start sooner rather than later to get those bug reports in
15:00<FLD>the desktop migration sure won't be as easy as migrating a headless server :P
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15:02<somiaj>it never is, the more packages you have the harder dist-upgrades become. The biggest probpem is third party soruces/packages. At least remove third party sources before the process and hope any of the packages installed don't cause strange depends loops
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15:11<Celelibi>Nowadays, what's the usual way to install Debian?
15:11<Celelibi>What if there's no optic drive?
15:12<itd>Celelibi: USB / Netboot ?
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15:12<itd>Celelibi: Where do you want to install it?
15:13<Celelibi>On a laptop.
15:13<Celelibi>I don't have it yet, but it will come soon.
15:13<itd>Celelibi: Does it have a name? :)
15:13<Celelibi>Alienware?
15:14<itd>Celelibi: That's a company, right? Do they only sell one kind of laptop?
15:15<Celelibi>How about asking something more specific? :)
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15:15<Celelibi>I usually do my installs with a PXE server.
15:15<itd>Celelibi: Same to you. ;)
15:15<Celelibi>But at work, I won't have one.
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15:16<FLD>i got a netboot.xyz on my gateway for impromptu installs/boots
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15:17<FLD>threw in a configured instance of grml via nfs in there as well for good measure
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15:18<Celelibi>On my PXE server I also have a grml and a few other things. And everything made accessible in a pretty menu with syslinux.
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15:21<FLD>man i hope grml gets a new version out next year, it is like the swiss army knife for me
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15:54<amacater>Celeibi - use dd to write a DVD image straight to a USB stick and boot from that. Do the install on a wired network if you can because the ethernet card will probably work - it's a means to download any non-free drivers
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16:00<retrospectacus>it is recommended to use "cp", not dd
16:00<gebruiker>how can I find out why a certain version is not yet in debian ? Talking about sid here, mainly curious why we are so long stuck on 2.6.3-3 freetype
16:01<gebruiker>2.7 has so much improvement
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16:02<bremner>gebruiker: #debian-next is for sid. But in general there is no answer other than file a wishlist bug and/or help.
16:02<gebruiker>I was more wondering about technical reasons rather than the one you mentioned
16:02<gebruiker>hanks
16:02<gebruiker>*thanks
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19:07<k-man>i'm trying to set up DKIM followign these instrucions: https://www.linode.com/docs/email/postfix/configure-spf-and-dkim-in-postfix-on-debian-8 when it comes to testking the key, I get this error: opendkim-testkey: unknown hash 'rsa-sha256'
19:08<k-man>why wouldn't opendkim-testkey support rsa-sha256?
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19:14<itd_>k-man: what does 'opendkim -V' tell you?
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19:15<k-man>itd_, rsa-sha256
19:15<k-man>but i found the problem i think
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19:15<k-man>the txt record generated by opendkim has the hash algorithm set to h=rsa-sha256
19:15<k-man>but i think it should be just h=SHA256
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19:21<edoc>I am porting some stuff over to debian using dh_make atm. IIRC there should be a "multiple binary" package type. I am only seeing Type of package: (single, indep, library, python) [s/i/l/p]?
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19:24<edoc>cmd I am using is dh_make -f ../qemu-2.7.tar.gz. ofc I am going to have a lot of binaries in my control file that I will need to tweak.
19:26<sney>edoc: packaging questions generally go in #debian-mentors, but iirc the Type field doesn't get passed to the control anyway
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19:30<edoc>sney, oh nice there is a channel for packaging. Prolly would be faster just to do this manually in this case.
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19:33<sney>debhelper is used for most of the package/build process so it's still worthwhile to go through the process
19:35<edoc>yeah was just reading that. Also just read I should pick "multiple binary" =P
19:36<edoc>but its not there...
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19:49<k-man>does postfix run in a chroot in jessie?
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19:54<itd_>edoc: which version of dh_make do you have installed?
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19:59<sney>k-man: not unless you tell it to
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19:59<k-man>sney, hmmm
20:00<k-man>ok thanks sney
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20:01<sney>it does run as a 'postfix' user with no shell and a home directory in /var
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20:02<k-man>im asking because i'm trying to configure opendkim with postfix following https://www.linode.com/docs/email/postfix/configure-spf-and-dkim-in-postfix-on-debian-8
20:02<k-man>which assumes postfix is in a chroot
20:02<k-man>but i think mine isn't so i'm confused about the socket path
20:03<sney>well, the socket is set in main.cf I believe
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20:06<k-man>ah i think its working, i still have a warning in syslog though
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20:08<k-man>postfix/cleanup[30252]: warning: connect to Milter service local:/var/spool/postfix/opendkim/opendkim.sock: No such file or directory
20:08<k-man>but that file exists: srwxrwxr-x 1 opendkim opendkim 0 Dec 15 12:03 /var/spool/postfix/opendkim/opendkim.sock
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22:57<tis_me>Can one using the Jessie installer create an encrypted fs on a RAID array? If so, how?
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23:06<tomg>tis_me: I would think so
23:06<tomg>it does pretty much everything else. have you read the Handbook?
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23:17<tis_me>Yes, it says 'select a partition and indicate that it is to be used as a “physical volume for encryption”'
23:18<tis_me>I've loaded every module related to encryption and disks, but do not get this option
23:19<tis_me>https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.installation-steps.html [Section 4.2.13.5. Setting Up Encrypted Partitions]
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23:25<tomg>are you saying that in your normal install process you don't get a message to set up an encrypted volume, or encrypted LVM volume?
23:26<tomg>you shouldn't need to load any modules for this by the way
23:26<tis_me>I am using manual partitioning
23:26<tomg>did you have a chance pick RAID drivers first? it's been a while since I saw the installer
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23:27<tis_me>I should say install components, as the main menu calls then
23:28<tis_me>Let's see, first you partition the hard drive, then the partitions get written to the disk, then you add RAID arrays.
23:29<tis_me>...selecting the number of partitions and partitions to use
23:32<tis_me>I tried to encrypt the RAID array from the console shell and hoped the system would pick this up, but no luck.
23:32<tis_me>Neither did formatting the encrypted device.
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