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03:37<z_>perfect os, where is to push dick?
03:39<z_>hi, bros!allah is for you!
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03:42<z_>jesus cris and his mother, howdoyoudo, ladies and gentlemen!
03:43<jm_>if you have no debian support question then please continue your ramblings elsewhere
03:44<z_>i have q's!
03:45<z_>how to turn off spoofing in debian?
03:45<z_>1
03:45<z_>2
03:45<z_>3
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03:46<jm_>thanks :)
03:46<jelly>it's too early for this shit, I haven't even had my first coffee
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04:48<scootergrisen>What decides what language grub is using?
04:48<scootergrisen>And is it possible to change languge inside grub?
04:49<scootergrisen>I would like it is possible to change language in grub to my language in the next Debian release
04:49<scootergrisen>Same for keymap
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04:56<skoef>Hi guys, I'm trying to get NFSv4 and idmapd to work on debian 8, but either I'm doing it wrong or somethings is failing. In idmapd.conf the Pipefs-Directory value is (as default) /run/rpc_pipefs, but stracing the rpc.idmapd process I don't see any IPC on that socket. Also, when all debugging to the highest level and running rpc.idmapd in the foreground I don't see anything when
04:56<skoef>connecting/interfacing over NFS. And obviously, idmapping isn't working.
04:57<skoef>Could it be that from debian 7 to debian 8, when the Pipefs path changed from /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs to /run/rpc_pipefs, some RPC or NFS related paths weren't changed along?
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04:58<jm_>have you checked if anyone else reported it in BTS?
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05:08<skoef>I've done my fair share of googling and there were some bug reports that mention pipefs and idmapd, but none of them were about my issue directly
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05:18<itd>scootergrisen: 'export LANG=en_US.UTF-8; update-grub' should work, if I understand /etc/grub.d/00_header correctly.
05:18<itd>At least for the language used, not sure about the keymap.
05:19<scootergrisen>Can i do that in grub?
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05:20<scootergrisen>I would like grub to be in my language the first time it starts, so i dont have to install Debian in my language first before grub changes language
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05:24<jm_>that makes no sense - there is no grub before you install
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05:28<scootergrisen>This http://www.debianthailand.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Debian-7-GRUB.jpg
05:30<scootergrisen>This is better https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/images/inst-boot.png
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05:30<scootergrisen>I would like that text to be in my language
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05:43<itd>scootergrisen: So you don't want to change the language of grub, but want to have an installer that uses 'your' language by default.
05:47<scootergrisen>I want to change the language in grub
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06:02<introom>when will kernel4.9 hit sid ?
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06:14<Stummi>I have some problems with chromium randomly freezing lately, happens in the current versions from all three, testing, unstable and experimental. Console output at startup: http://paste.debian.net/903403/ - theres no more output when the freeze happens
06:14<TotallyNotKim>uhm
06:15<TotallyNotKim>only thing you could try is disabling hardware accelartiona nd check chrome://flags for new default enabled stuff
06:15<Stummi>ah, wrong chan, sorry :)
06:15<TotallyNotKim>other then that, I dont know here we could help you out
06:15<TotallyNotKim>thats what I thought too
06:15<TotallyNotKim>np
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06:49<skoef>jm_: I
06:50<skoef>*I'm not even seeing Client X: (user) name "foo@domain" -> id 1337 messages
06:50<skoef>when running idmapd in foreground or in background (from logs)
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06:53<jm_>skoef: sorry, I can't help with nfsv4, I only used it up to v3, just wanted to ensure it's not something simple someone already reported
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06:55<skoef>ok, thanks anyway
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07:24<cat6>I'm trying to understand some things about unicode on my Debian system. I thought I had "utf-8 installed". "locale" shows .UTF-8 for everything. My IRC client is showing it uses UTF-8 and all. A guy who said he uses Monospace font on fedora linux sent this over irc "Shit 💩" and I just see a box with the unicode code instead of the glyph. Tried all kinds of different fonts, DejaVu Sans Mono, Monospace, Droid Sans Mono, Liberation Mono, FreeMono et
07:24<cat6>c, still doesn't show. Tried to generate that glyph myself in a mate-terminal with "echo -e '\x00\x01\xF4\xA9'", doesn't show either. What's wrong?
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07:25<cat6>Sure I can live without seeing a pile of poo glyph, but I am annoyed that it should work and isn't.
07:26<jack>where do user defined system systemd units go?
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07:28<hmhm>cat6: probably there is no glyph for that in those fonts
07:29<hmhm>cat6: can you ask your friend what terminal/font he is using?
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07:32<cat6>hmhm: He says he is using regular Monospace
07:33<cat6>Doesn't show with Monospace here when I try
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07:33<cat6>maybe Monospace has more unicode glyphs on fedora *shrugs*
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07:37<cat6>but I don't see why Debian wouldn't use that version of Monospace too then
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07:37<cat6>maybe it's a license thing, that the Monospace font on fedora is a nonfree license
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07:41<peter1139>hmm
07:41<peter1139>may have found my systemd/jessie issue
07:48<cat6>heh. I just found that it works in gnome-terminal but not in mate-terminal
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07:52<cat6>actually gnome-terminal seems to be the only place where the glyph shows. using Monospace font. weird
07:52<hmhm>cat6: gnome uses a different font
07:52<cat6>hmhm: Well in the settings it says to use "Monospace".
07:52<cat6>How is it different?
07:55<hmhm>its probably the cantarell monospace font
07:56<hmhm>there is no universal default for a monospace font ;)
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08:14<hmhm>cat6: actually im wrong. there seems to be no monospace font in the cantarell family
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08:43<pablo>I have debian 8 with fluxbox, I installed xfce and lxde , how may I start x server with xfce ? now it start with fluxbox
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08:44<pablo>Can I modify startx file with vi , or there are another way ?
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08:47<pablo>hello
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09:01<kolden>pablo: startx executes, among other files, $HOME/.xsession
09:02<kolden>try adding "exec xfce4-session" to it
09:02<kolden>if there is some other "exec" there, try deleting it
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09:03<kolden>also it might be smart to remove fluxbox and lxde. "apt-get remove --purge fluxbox lxde" or something
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09:08<juser123>Greetings all. I’m using make-kpkg to build my kernel, however it’s changing some of my .config variables. is there anyway to set that script to leave .config entirely alone? thanks.
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10:04<code_geek>Hi, I am new to the open source community and would like to get started on contributing. I want to work in python. Can anyone help me on how to get started with beginner level projects?
10:05<duclicsic>do you already know python?
10:05<duclicsic>(not really the right channel for it tbh)
10:06<code_geek>yes, and I am currently django.
10:06<code_geek>Can you suggest me the right channel?
10:06<duclicsic>find a project you're interested in, and try to improve it
10:06<duclicsic>i cannot suggest a channel, sorry
10:07<code_geek>okay, no problem. Thanks anyways. :)
10:08<itd>code_geek: There is a #django on freenode.net. If you want to work on that they *might* be able to help you.
10:08<code_geek>okay itd, I'll check it. Thank you.
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10:14<thiagocf>Boa tarde comunidade Debian
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10:15<itd>thiagocf: Hello there.
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10:27<zathras>I add a config file to /etc/ld.so.conf.d containing a path to /usr/local/crapapp/lib. When checking ld-cache the path is there, when issuing a ldd however the path is ignored
10:27<zathras>same is true when accessing the lib (odbc) from php either from apache or cli
10:27<zathras>how can I debug or even fix this please?
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10:28<thiagocf>itd: Hello
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10:53<jmux>zathras: I guess you mean 'ldconfig -p' when you write 'checking ld-cache'? You probably need to look into chrpath. Or your apache runs in a chroot and can't access the lib.
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10:53<zathras>apache is not running in a chroot afaik
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10:55<zathras>jmux, I did not know about chrpath. Interesting. Thank you
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10:56<zathras>jmux, but indeed. I ued ldconfig -p
10:56<zathras>*used
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11:24<zathras>jmux, if no rpath or runpath exists, can I add one to an existing .so (I do not have access to sources) ?
11:25<zathras>also, the man page suggests that rpath and runpath are 2 different things where as wikipedia forwrds runpath to the rpath lemma?!?
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11:26<grawity>afaik, runpath is the older name for the same thing
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11:27<zathras>chrpath has an option to convert one into the other
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11:35<jmux>zathras: RPATH is not runpath as they act differently in regard to LD_LIBRARY_PATH AFAIK - https://blog.qt.io/blog/2011/10/28/rpath-and-runpath/
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11:37<jmux>zathras: as an alternative to chrpath, patchelf is supposed to be more flexible. But I never used it.
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12:16<zathras>jmux, grawity. Thanks for you pointers. I am trying to resolve this on a Raspberry Pi (ARM). For raspbian patchelf is not available. chrpath is. But ... When trying to add a path to the troublesome .so lib I get: no rpath or runpath tag found
12:16<zathras>any idea how I can commence?
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12:19<itd>zathras: Raspbian?
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12:20<zathras>itd, yes, and Yes I know this is not a channel for it. But it is much more likely to have an insightful answer here
12:20<zathras>*get
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12:21<zathras>itd, why do you ask?
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12:22<itd>zathras: Because I wanted to know. :)
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12:24<jelly>zathras: ask in #raspbian over there on that irc.freenode.net network, or reproduce with an actual debian (or a debian chroot). Anyone insigtful enough and willing to help will join the same channel with you.
12:25<zathras>I already asked at #raspbian #freenode
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12:25<zathras>@freenode
12:26<zathras>but so far there is not much traffic there
12:26<jelly>be patient
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12:27<zathras>I also doubt if this is really raspbian specific, seems more like a generic problem
12:27<jelly>kludging an already made elf instead of building it the "right way" seems like the wrong way to do things
12:27<jelly>it may be a generic problem, but this isn't a generic channel
12:27<zathras>yes. But I must work with the commercial beta crap I have been given. No sources, so no proper relinking
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12:28<jelly>I feel your pain. #debian is still not the right place to ask about ld.so shenanigans on some random debian derivative
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12:30<jelly>(why not build patchelf for your platform)
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12:30<zathras>I just told you: I have no access to the sources
12:31<zathras>ah. pathelf. sorry
12:31<jelly>patchelf is open source
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12:35<rallias>Debian 8 still uses eth0 names for interface names, right?
12:35<jelly>yes
12:36<grawity>if unsure, boot with net.ifnames=0
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12:38<jmux>zathras: just recheck dlopen(3). I don't understand why ldconfig would show the library but ldd (-v) won't (AKA => not found).
12:38<jmux>Would ldconfig index a library for a wrong architecure?
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12:39<grawity>export LD_DEBUG=libs
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12:39<rallias>Ok... hopefully this installs this computer...
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12:40<jmux>zathras: and there are some more variables to play with in ld.so(8)
12:40<rallias>Actually... before I go through all that trouble... is there a solution that just opens up port 22 and allows me to do the install via SSH?
12:40<rallias>(and uses DHCP)
12:41<jelly>!ssh install
12:41<dpkg>i heard ssh install is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03#network-console (obsolete article at http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html). See also <hd-media>, <debootstrap>.
12:41<zathras>rallias, afaik you can alias network interfaces
12:41<zathras>but yes eth0 it is
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12:42<jelly>jmux: you're on the right track -- ldd won't show zip if the corrent elf interpreter (ld-linux.so) for the architecture isn't present
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12:46<zathras>I really want to fix this now, but I also have to go. Will go back to it tomorrow. Thank you all
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12:58<eri>o/ I have a problem with NetworkManager on Debian
12:58<eri>I'd like to configure a bridge
12:58<eri>but no slave interfaces are shown after I configured them
12:59<eri>I followed a howto, but that was redhat
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13:00<eri>or let me ask from the other side of the problem
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13:00<eri>can I configure hooks with ifupdown?
13:01<eri>so that a disconnection starts umountig my nfs shares
13:01<eri>?
13:01<eri>because this what I can do with NetworkManager
13:01<eri>but not bridge there
13:02<eri>and vice versa
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13:08<lmc>Can you please help me understand what do I need to sign in order for apt-get to stop saying "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated"? Is this my metadata or the package itself that needs to be signed? Complete error message and package generation script are here: https://gist.github.com/luismottacampos/a2b090f794af213b401a486c4dc324c9
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13:09<eri>lmc: did you add the pub key with apt-key add ??
13:10<lmc>eri, yes, I can list my repo keys with 'apt-key list'.
13:10<jrtc27>lmc: output of update itself?
13:11<lmc>jrtc27: in the gist.
13:11*eri is all at sea then
13:11<lmc>my current working theory is that Artifactory Online is lying to me, and didn't sign the package meta data as it promises. Is there a way I can manually check the signature?
13:12<jrtc27>yes, you can download the (In)Release files
13:12<jrtc27>what's the full mirror path for your sources.list?
13:12<jrtc27>https://pagerduty.artifactoryonline.com/something
13:14<lmc>From my sources.list.d: "deb https://${USER}:${SECRET}@pagerduty.artifactoryonline.com/pagerduty/list/pd-debs trusty pd", username and password edited out
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13:17<jrtc27>have you got a https://....../pagerduty/list/pd-debs/dists/trusty/Release.gpg ?
13:17<jrtc27>that's where the signature should be
13:18<jrtc27>(there may also be a trusty/InRelease, but I don't think trusty supports the newer file format)
13:19<lmc>I have a dists/trusty/Release.gpg, yes
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13:20<jrtc27>that's the signature
13:20<jrtc27>download that and dists/trusty/Release
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13:21<lmc>ok, I have the files. They are automagically generated by Artifactory. GPG tells me they match.
13:21<jrtc27>with the right key?
13:22<lmc>Hummm... gimme a sec, I will have to type a little more to make sure.
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13:26<lmc>jrtc27: yes, it checks with the correct key, as expected. I've added the output of that to the gist.
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13:28<jrtc27>lmc: and output of apt-key list from inside the VM (just for my sanity)?
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13:29<lmc>jrtc27: in the gist.
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13:31<jrtc27>lmc: and this is inside the VM the build for which failed?
13:32<lmc>jrtc27: YES
13:34<lmc>jrtc27: please note that is not the same VM where I've built the package. That VM is long dead (it's only purpose is to build the package).
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13:35<jrtc27>lmc: ok, but configured with the same vagrant config, so should be identical, right?
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13:35<lmc>jrtc27: no. The VM where I've packaged the software has nothing. The package wasn't signed, if that's what you're trying to determine. AFAIK that's the Debian Way.
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13:36<lmc>Or is that the issue here, and I am expected to sign the package using the same key that signs the repository?
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13:37<jrtc27>lmc: sorry, being an idiot, I thought the issue was the build VM trying to install something, but of course it's not, it's you (for a different build) trying to install what was just built
13:38<jrtc27>and no, you can't sign the package, there's no way of doing that
13:38<lmc>I'm confused, then what exactly is that I've been reading dpkg-sign and debsign do, then?
13:39<jrtc27>confusing names, but they sign the *source* package (.dsc) and the .changes file
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13:39<lmc>OK, so that's not part of this issue.
13:39<lmc>Thanks for the explanation.
13:39<muziq>hello. what is the most stable and problem-free way to use most of the system packages from stable repo while using few from unstable/testing or as custom built apps? without going into dependency hell and without spending time with manual dep.resolving
13:39<jrtc27>*that* signing is to verify to the archive that they're from a trusted developer, but those signatures get thrown away once they hit Debian infrastructure
13:39<jrtc27>can you try following the chain of files in dists/trusty/Release?
13:39<jrtc27>it's possible that Release doesn't have a route to the .deb
13:39<abrotman>stable+backports
13:40<lmc>jrtc27: the deb isn't mentioned in the Release file.
13:40<muziq>what if app isnt in backports?
13:40<lmc>No deb is.
13:40<jrtc27>but does it mention other Release files?
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13:40<itd>muziq: Do you have one in mind?
13:42<jrtc27>typically it's master Release -> per-arch Packages(.gz) -> .deb
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13:42<muziq>itd: lets say, i need latest QtCreator which is not even in unstable/testing yet. and, additionally, i want to play with some of recent versions of desktop environment, which is not here as well. how should i do that properly?
13:42<jrtc27>e.g. http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
13:42<lmc>jrtc27: I've uploaded my Release file to the gist
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13:43<muziq>itd: is separate debootstrapped file system (set to work with unstable) viable for installing/running specific recent packages?
13:44<jrtc27>lmc: ok so you probably want to check https://.....//pagerduty/list/pd-debs/dists/trusty/pd/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
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13:45<doga>hi
13:46<lmc>jrtc27: The package is in binary-all. I've uploaded the contents of the matching gunzipped file to the gist.
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13:46<lmc>The file is there, and the checksums match.
13:47<jrtc27>huh, there's no MD5sum...
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13:47<lmc>Is this an issue?!
13:47<jrtc27>I don't know, but jessie still lists MD5sum
13:48<lmc>There are MD5 sums also in the Release file.
13:48<itd>muziq: For QtCreator I probably would try to compile it myself (and checkinstall it). Doing that with a DE might be tougher.. Never tryed it with a debootstrapped system.
13:49<jrtc27>yeah, but it's possible it doesn't like the fact that there's no md5sum to refer to the .deb itself
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13:50<jrtc27>can you try installing with aptitude -vvvvvvvvv?
13:50<jrtc27>(that should be enough -v's :P)
13:51<lmc>jrtc27: I've just done that.
13:51<lmc>jrtc27: the package installed without errors. This prompted me to something else: it might be I have ordering hell in my Chef's cookbooks, and that the key for this repo isn't being installed until it's too late.
13:52<lmc>I will have to make a small change to my code and rebuild this VM to be sure. Please allow me a few minutes.
13:52<lmc>I will be back to share my learnings with you.
13:52<jrtc27>sure, easy checks before delving deeper :)
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13:52<lmc>... and I have (several) meetings. :D this might take longer than I promised.
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13:53<muziq>itd: what if to imagine it will require something more recent within dependencies? i'm looking for a solution, which will just work without spending time on research with each new package i install. is there a way to have, maybe, two separate branches for stable and testing accordingly without mixing them?
13:53<lmc>Thank you very much for guiding me through all this checks, it is very kind of you. Whenever you're in Toronto, please let me know and I will gladly buy you some "${DRINK[@]}".
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13:57<cat6>hmhm: "fc-match --sort "Monospace"" lists DejaVuSansMono.ttf: "DejaVu Sans Mono" "Book" as first Monospace choice, so I guess that is the one gnome-terminal would use for its "Monospace" font, but trying that in other places than gnome-terminal doesnt seem to make it work either. *shrugs*
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13:58<cat6>selecting "DejaVu Sans Mono Book" instead of "Monospace" in gnome-terminal makes the poo glyph still show correctly...
13:58<cat6>so if it was only the font it depended on, using that same font in for example mate-terminal should make it work there too right?
13:58<cat6>so it must be something else
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14:19<annadane>is it possible to pin a window in debian such that it remains open when you switch between windows?
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14:21<cat6>annadane: not sure if that's what you're looking for but it might be. A "terminal multiplexer". Check out "screen" or "tmux".
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14:22<retrospectacus>annadane: also unsure what you're looking for, but in most WMs you can right-click the window handle and pick "Always on top"
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14:23<annadane>oh yeah, that's true
14:23<retrospectacus>Your question is confusing because windows always remain open when you switch between windows.
14:24<annadane>well, i meant "unminimized"
14:24<retrospectacus>I've never encountered a window minimizing itself just because I switched to a different window
14:24<annadane>i put it in quotes for that reason
14:25<annadane>i mean like, if you switch between tabs to keep the thing you want displayed displayed
14:25<retrospectacus>you said a word that is not what you meant, so you put it in quotes? not sure I understand
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14:26<retrospectacus>are we talking about windows or tabs?
14:26<annadane>windows, sorry
14:26<retrospectacus>is "always on top" what you want?
14:28<annadane>it's "keep above others" apparently
14:30<retrospectacus>I suppose the verbiage depends on your window manager
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15:15<ds0>hey all, I don't know if I'm being an idiot here but I have contrib enabled in my sources but I can find virtualbox in apt-cache
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15:15<ds0>*can't
15:16<itd>ds0: 'apt update'?
15:17<ds0>tried that, I can paste my sources.list file?
15:17<itd>ds0: paste.debian.net
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15:18<itd>dpkg: bat
15:18<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
15:18<itd>ds0: ^ maybe even better
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15:21<ds0>itd: hope this is everything - http://paste.debian.net/plain/903529
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15:22<itd>ds0: Testing support is in #debian-next (and there is no virtualbox in testing AFAIK).
15:23<itd>judd: versions virtualbox
15:23<judd>Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; sid/contrib: 5.1.10-dfsg-2
15:23<itd>ds0: ^
15:24<ds0>So it isn't availible for stretch either?
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15:24<somiaj>ds0: https://packages.qa.debian.org/v/virtualbox/news/20161210T163909Z.html
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15:25<somiaj>check bug #794466: Virtualbox might not be suitable for Stretch
15:25<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/794466 in src:virtualbox (open, sid, stretch): «Virtualbox might not be suitable for Stretch»; severity: critical; opened: 2015-08-03; last modified: 2016-12-18.
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15:27<ds0>hmm so should I drop my version back to jessie?
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15:27<somiaj>or switch to kvm-qemu which oracle dosen't get in the way of security support
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15:28<somiaj>the package may be provided via backports once stretch is released
15:29<itd>ds0: https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3699.en.html
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15:33<ds0>itd: I don't understand? debian is dropping support for virtualbox for jessie due to a vulnerability?
15:34<ds0>isn't that because 4.3 is old as hell? That won't apply to the latest versions like 5.1?
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15:35<somiaj>ds0: debian stable is a frozen system. Debian does not 'upgarde to the newest version' to deal with security issues, as that is not how debian works.
15:35<somiaj>ds0: if oracle refused to help debian backport security fixes to the version in debian, debian will drop support for virtualbox.
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15:37<somiaj>and it seems less to be the people in oracle want to help debian, it seems more to do with coorpate policy that they are not allowed to help.
15:37<minikdo>Hi, I've got a cups problem. I'm on jessie, cups ver. 1.7.5. Printing first job is fine, but the subsequent job gets stuck with "Sending to printer...", then it's listed as completed without printing out.
15:37<itd>somiaj: well put, thanks. :)
15:38<ds0>somiaj: Ah I see, that's a shame. However, I did install one of the relatively new versions of virtualbox on a debian install a couple of weeks back. I can't remember what I upgraded to from jessie.
15:38<somiaj>minikdo: how is the printer setup (local, say attached via a usb cable or old parallel port) or remote printer?
15:38*ds0 goes to check my other laptop
15:38<ds0>cheers itd & somiaj for the info :)
15:38<somiaj>ds0: jessie-backports is different. The security team and policy of backports is security issues are not always fixed and to use at your own risk.
15:39<somiaj>ds0: it could be that the virtual box matainers will provide a upstream version via backports once stretch is released, but don't expect this version to get timely security support. Switch to kvm-qemu if you want a supported vm solution seems to be the best advise.
15:39<somiaj>ds0: libvirt and virt-manager can make managing kvm easier
15:40<minikdo>somiaj: local usb, foo2zjs. it's HP P1102
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15:41<somiaj>minikdo: hmm, don't know enough about cups to debug this. Have you checked dmesg for any hardware messages from the usb device?
15:41<somiaj>there is also /var/log/cups/ you may be able to check
15:41<ds0>somiaj: thanks for the advice, checked my old laptop. Managed to get 5.1.10 because I upgraded it to sid
15:42<somiaj>not gonna get any security support there. (:
15:42<minikdo>I've checked the log. Nothing there. Nothign in error log
15:42<minikdo>dmesg: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev... then: usblp0: removed
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15:43<ds0>somiaj: haha yeah i thought so
15:43<minikdo>cups access.log: Send-Document successful-ok
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16:27<NewBieTail>Hello to all!
16:27<NewBieTail>May I ask a question ??
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16:27<itd>NewBieTail: Hello. Yes.
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16:27<NewBieTail>itd: thanks.
16:28<NewBieTail>itd: How can I view log files for networking in Debian ?
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16:28<NewBieTail>itd: i've used tail -f but it gives me useless information
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16:29<itd>NewBieTail: What do you expect/want to see?
16:29<somiaj>NewBieTail: what sort of info do you want? Would a network traffice analyzier like iptraf work for you?
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16:29<NewBieTail>I would like to recieve any info regarding the error in establishing of a DSL connection (PPOE)
16:30<NewBieTail>and I see only ifup and then ifdown...
16:30<NewBieTail>and that's all that i see in lof
16:30<NewBieTail>*log
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16:32<NewBieTail>somiaj: i'm not sure that a traffic analyzer is needed...i don't need info about TCP/UDP
16:32<itd>NewBieTail: I think I would start with journalctl.
16:33<NewBieTail>itd: ok, i will type it right now
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16:33<itd>NewBieTail: And maybe 'dmesg -T | tail -n50'.
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16:35<NewBieTail>itd: thank you, i've got some hardware data!
16:35<NewBieTail>now i need to review it.
16:35<itd>NewBieTail: If you need help copy it to paste.debian.net and post a link here.
16:37<NewBieTail>itd: thank you! Yes. if i will find a part with eth0 info i will use it. Now I need to disconnect and then come back
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16:42<abdou>guys i need souce codes
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17:12<NewBieTail>itd: are you online ?]
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17:12<itd>NewBieTail: I guess so. :)
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17:14<NewBieTail>itd: ok )) journalctl says that could not find pppoe binary. But network manager is installed...What does it mean ? :-)
17:14<NewBieTail>itd: and the sentence is marked in bold
17:15<itd>dpkg: pppoe
17:15<dpkg>Point-to-Point Protocol over Ethernet (PPPoE) is a network protocol for encapsulating <PPP> frames in Ethernet frames, frequently used in DSL connections. There are kernel-space and user-space PPPoE drivers available for Debian. To install Debian using a PPPoE connection, ask me about <pppoe install>. To enable on established systems, "aptitude install pppoeconf && pppoeconf". http://wiki.debian.org/PPPoE
17:16<itd>NewBieTail: Have a look at the wiki page linked ^. Did you already install pppoeconf?
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17:17<NewBieTail>itd: i think that i would have big problems with installing pppoeconf. It's a special distro, protected by Apparmor or something like this...
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17:17<NewBieTail>itd: so pppoeconf is not installed. But it seems like previously the connection could be established without it
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17:19<itd>NewBieTail: AFAIK pppoeconf is simply a package you can install. Don't know if there is also a distribution with that name.
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17:19<NewBieTail>itd: and etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider, /etc/ppp/*ap-secrets files and /etc/network/interfaces exist! I checked the folder :-)
17:19<itd>NewBieTail: Then why do you think you need it now?
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17:20<itd>judd: file /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider
17:20<NewBieTail>itd: because after an update DSL connection doesn't work
17:20<judd>Search for /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider in jessie/amd64: pppoe: etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider
17:20<itd>NewBieTail: ^ that file belongs to a different package.
17:20<NewBieTail>itd: ok
17:20<NewBieTail>judd: pppoe: no command found
17:21<itd>NewBieTail: When did you update and what did you update?
17:22<NewBieTail>itd: oh..you see it was automatically updated...lots of packages man...
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17:26<itd>NewBieTail: And btw, there is no deeper meaning in 'could not find X'. The program X was just not found, most likely because you don't have the package containing it installed.
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17:27<NewBieTail>itd: now i am trying to install it.
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17:31<amma>just got mutt mail client to work without setting a key? http://paste.lisp.org/+7646
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17:48<jrtc27>lmc: any luck
17:48<jrtc27>?
17:48<lmc>jrtc27: sorry, man. I just came back from meetings. :( I am still struggling here. I am about to call this a day and continue tomorrow.
17:49<jrtc27>so the key is definitely installed before that step then? :/
17:49<lmc>No idea. That's the thing I need to check now. But first I need to figure out why I cannot start VMs anymore...
17:50<jrtc27>heh ok, well ping me tomorrow if you get anywhere
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17:50<lmc>I will make a note of it so I won't forget. :) Thank you for all the help.
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17:56<aminos>hay
17:56<itd>aminos: Hello.
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17:57<aminos>hay how are you
17:58<itd>aminos: Busy but open for debian stable related question.
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17:58<aminos>ok itd
17:58<aminos>howold are you
17:58<aminos>itd
17:58<itd>!chat
17:58<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
17:59<aminos>im sorry
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18:25<NewBieTail>itd: thank you, it works now
18:25<NewBieTail>judd: thanks!
18:25<itd>NewBieTail: Glad to hear that! :) What did you do?
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18:26<thedriveb>for anyone that works with Linux professionally: how did you get started? I'm 40, have worked in Windows and OSX for 20+ years, have worked deep in the server and network side, but have never had real professional linux experience.
18:26<NewBieTail>itd: installed pppoeconf. And when it connects, network manager remains the same and doesn't show the established connection
18:26<thedriveb>I wanna move into that, but no one will take personal experience, even if they are extensive projects, seriously
18:26<NewBieTail>but that's not a problem.
18:27<itd>NewBieTail: If you are happy, I'm happy. ;)
18:28<thedriveb>im also working on my rhcsa, but i dont know if that alone will be enough
18:28<NewBieTail>itd: :-) I wish my girl was same easy to make happy, man !))
18:28<NewBieTail>itd: thank you one more time!
18:28<NewBieTail>itd: bye!
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18:28*itd waves
18:29<hmhm>thedriveb: offtopic, this is a debian user support channel
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18:30<thedriveb>alright
18:35<hmhm>cat6: so, i think gnome-terminal uses multiple fonts to display the "missing" unicode characters
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18:39<oaps>hello.
18:39<itd>oaps: Hello.
18:39<oaps>what's the standard way of listing all packages that i have installed manually, as opposed to those dependencies that have been installed automatically?
18:40<oaps>i have tried "aptitude search '~i!~M'", but that lists many more that i definitely haven't installed manually (apt, xorg etc).
18:40<somiaj>oaps: aptitude search can do a good job. aptitude search ~i will list all install ones, you can easily grep out the ones with the auto flag if needed (unsure the exact systntax using serach)
18:41<jelly>oaps: however, apt _thinks_ they were installed manually and that's the best answer you're going to get
18:41<somiaj>oaps: i.e. aptitude search ~i | grep -v " A "
18:41<oaps>and i have tried looking for "Auto-Installed: 0" in "/var/lib/apt/extended_states", but that only lists five of them which is far too few.
18:42<somiaj>ahh that would be the same output.
18:42<oaps>yeah.
18:43<oaps>does it list everything selected by the debian installer as manually installed as well?
18:43<jelly>not everything, and it depends on which debian you installed initially
18:44<jelly>base system will probably all the marked manual, that includes apt
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18:44<oaps>right.
18:44<jelly>be* marked manual
18:45<a2>oaps, have checked /var/log/apt/history.log?, lines with "Command line" give you the command (manually) and "Install" seems to be the selected packages+depen
18:47<oaps>a2: interesting... it lists installs done by the installer as well, but those commands use a lot of weird options so i could maybe use some clever filtering.
18:48<oaps>i assume those logs are eventually rotated though?
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18:50<a2>oaps, yes you will need to parse the files, and... yes --> "ls -l /etc/logrotate.d/apt"
18:50<oaps>thanks.
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18:52<somiaj>note that is just for apt, if you used aptitude you have other logs to look at
18:52<oaps>hm. i don't _think_ i have.
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19:35<blu>hi guys. is there a way to tell the preseed.cfg file for debian 8 to disable the password for the root account? I'm using a late_command to setup a ssh key there
19:37<itd>blu: Maybe this: "d-i passwd/root-login boolean false" ?
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