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00:05<mini>Hello?
00:08<SparkLake[m]>Hello to you
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00:08<mini>how are you this evening?
00:09<bremner>dpkg: tell mini about chat
00:09<mini>i'm quite new, please do
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00:50<tomg>a little bit crotchety in here
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01:03<hamidi>hi all
01:04<hamidi>i get the following error when vlc wants to play an mkv file:
01:04<hamidi>Codec not supported: VLC could not decode the format "hevc" (MPEG-H Part2/HEVC (H.265))
01:04<hamidi>OS: jessie
01:04<hamidi>what to do?
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01:26<tomg>hamidi, don't know. check VLC web page if it supports it in a newer version?
01:27<hamidi>my vlc is the latest version
01:27<tomg>I would assume hevc isn't supported at all on Linux then
01:27<tomg>you can try searching for it
01:28<hamidi>there must be a way
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01:29<hamidi>i already searched for it and found no solution
01:29<hamidi>gnome player may play the file properly. just vlc can't
01:30<tomg>!vlc
01:30<dpkg>VLC media player is a free software multimedia player developed by the VideoLAN project. For DVD support, ask me about <dvd playback>. http://www.videolan.org/support/faq.html #videolan on irc.videolan.org.
01:30<tomg>that's the only idea I have :)
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02:10<awal1>,v libde265-0
02:10<judd>Package: libde265-0 on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9-1; sid: 1.0.2-2+b1; stretch: 1.0.2-2+b1
02:11<awal1>hamidi: try installing libde265-0 that will solve your issue probably
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02:13<awal1>,v gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad
02:13<judd>Package: gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.2.4-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.4.4-2.1+b1; jessie-security: 1.4.4-2.1+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.4.4-2.1+deb8u1; sid: 1.10.2-1; stretch: 1.10.2-1; sid-multimedia: 1:1.10.2-dmo1
02:14<hamidi>awak1: it's already installed
02:17<awal1>hamidi: well, I use mpv & mplayer and mkv stuff are played just fine; I use vlc rarely
02:17<awal1>not sure about vlc vs mkv
02:19<hamidi>thx neway
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02:23<awal1>hamidi: I just played an mkv video file (archive type: Matroska video) with vlc (sid version) and all fine
02:23<awal1>,v vlc
02:23<judd>Package: vlc on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; wheezy: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; wheezy-backports: 2.1.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 2.2.4-1~deb8u1; jessie: 2.2.4-1~deb8u1; stretch: 2.2.4-10; sid: 2.2.4-11; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.6-dmo3+deb7u1; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.2.1-dmo3+deb8u1; sid-multimedia: 1:2.2.4-dmo8
02:25<awal1>What is the difference between jessie and jessie-multimedia?
02:25<awal1>dpkg: jessie-multimedia
02:25<dpkg>awal1: I don't know, could you explain it?
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02:26<hamidi>awal1: what codec used to encode the video? mkv is just a container. if it uses h264 video codec, it plays fine here too. just h265 has the problem.
02:26<somiaj>awal1: jessie-multimedia is a pure blend
02:26<awal1>somiaj: i don't get it :P
02:27<somiaj>awal1: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia
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02:27<somiaj>It is listed as a pure blend, but there is also this
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02:27<somiaj>!dmo
02:27<dpkg>We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm wheezy>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>.
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02:29<AlexLikeRock>merry chrtmas fools
02:31<awal1>somiaj: ok, the wiki link is clear :)
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02:32<somiaj>yea seems debianmultimedia.org is not the same as the debian multimedia pureblend
02:32<awal1>hamidi: I'm a clueless about audio/video stuff; I dont know how to check which codec is used
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03:03*awal1 finds "ctrl+j" while vlc plays an audio/video file or "ffprobe -show_streams /path/to/file" an easy way for find info about a given multimedia file :)
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03:08<awal1>or just using "mediainfo" pkg
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05:51<madrik>Compliments of the season.
05:55<madrik>What risks do I assume if I use a hardware RNG?
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06:03<madrik>For example, if I use rng-tools or haveged, is there a risk to the entropy pool?
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10:10<cyberoptiq>Merry Christmas from the East coast....
10:11<frlttrwrd>I have kswapd0 sitting at 24% CPU usage (so 1 of 4 cores basically). that's not normal, is it?
10:15<frlttrwrd>right, should have googled first, lot's of hits, sorry
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10:27<cyberoptiq>In the wiki for VirtualBox it states the following after installing, "To not load the VirtualBox modules at system startup, edit /etc/default/virtualbox and set LOAD_VBOXDRV_MODULE to 0." - whats the reason for this to be set to 0 (zero)?
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10:29<cyberoptiq>I've never used VirtualBox or VmWare so just trying to learn the reasoning behind certain items.....
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13:16<roberto74>hi is there anybody?
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13:19<grove>!anybody
13:19<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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13:26<roberto74>sry it's the first time that i use this chat .... i need to compile a kernel ... i have already compile 64 bit kernel ... but the final build present me x86_64 linux kernel version... can i make an override to permit me to set the amd64 distribution alias kernel name?
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13:29<tomg>reasonable question
13:29<tomg>dpkg, tell robert74 abou wait
13:29<tomg>dpkg, tell roberto74 about wait
13:29<tomg>not that I think you were going to whine.
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13:32<jelly>roberto74, x86_64 is that. what problem do you see with that kernel?
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13:33<jelly>what do you mean by "distribution alias kernel name"?
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13:38<roberto74>hi jelly! thx for your reply .... i have see that ubuntu ... if i use uname --all return a description like: [Linux 4.8.0 etc amd64] ..... i have meke a compile of 64 bit kernel that present me the same message but with the little difference of the build appaire to have a name [Linux 4.8.0 etc x86_64] an when i try to download packages or convert rpm with alien ... it say me that it's not possible to convert or inst
13:38<roberto74>all because the packages are maded for amd64 distribution version
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13:39<roberto74>and not for the actual x86_64
13:40<roberto74>the make compile tree don't have and don't permit to compile the kernel as amd64 target architecture
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13:40<jelly>roberto74, pastebin the actual command you tried and the full output, please
13:41<jelly>your "download packages or convert rpm with alien" command, that is
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13:50<jelly>roberto74, alien does not care about your kernel. It does however care somewhat about your userspace debian architecture.
13:50<jelly>roberto74, what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say?
13:50<jelly>!paste
13:50<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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14:54<Ippolo>hello
14:54<Ippolo>I'm using debian stretch and connman to manage network access
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14:54<Ippolo>yesterday I updated the system and connman disappeared and seems to not be on the repos anymore
14:55<Ippolo>why? :'(
15:00<tomg>hi
15:00<tomg>you may have to wait a bit
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15:02<azerty>Hi, how can I change the format of date in cal?
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15:06<awal1>azerty: what you want exactly?
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15:06<azerty>type cal
15:07<awal1>I know what's cal
15:07<azerty>How can I change the format of date?
15:07<azerty>The beginning of the week is Sunday I wanna Monday
15:08<awal1>default is : m year. what you want?
15:08<awal1>ah, ok
15:08<azerty>are you feeling ok?
15:08<azerty>How can I change the format of date in cal?
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15:08<Heili>azerty: try ncal instead
15:10<azerty>Heili: thank you, merci beaucoup :)
15:11<awal1>also check -N option
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15:11<tomg>Ippolo, what version are you running now?
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15:13<azerty>awal1: the -N option doesn't work
15:14<awal1>it needs more arguments; just check the manual. but ncal solves your question yet :P
15:14<Ippolo>@tomg: connman is not installed anymore after the update
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15:14<Ippolo>I have no version
15:14<tomg>Ippolo: which release of Debian are you running?
15:15<Ippolo>debian stretch
15:15<Ippolo>https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=connman
15:15<Ippolo>seems it's not in the repo anymore...
15:15<tomg>indeed
15:15<Ippolo>but yesterday it was there I sewar
15:15<tomg>you can always add the jessie options in /etc/apt/sources.list
15:16<tomg>at least then you'd find out why it wasn't installed
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15:17<Ippolo>do you think it's good to add the jessie repository?
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15:20<tomg>yeah, it'll just be for a few minutes. it's not like adding a newer repository
15:20<tomg>connman is in unstable if it helps any
15:20<tomg>you can try installing it from either of those releases, or building it from Debian source or upstream source
15:21<tomg>or just going to http://ftp.debian.org and finding it in the pool and installing it from there
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15:21<tomg>http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/connman/
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15:22<tomg>dpkg, backports?
15:22<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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15:44<ivan_>https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/git VCS link points to https://repo.or.cz/r/git/debian.git/ - does anyone know where it really is?
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15:59<ivan_>never mind idnar found it at http://repo.or.cz/git/debian.git
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17:08<dalvan>hellow
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17:09<dalvan>hello
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17:23<spacciatore>buona pasqua
17:26<azerty>spacciatore: quoi ?
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17:28<spacciatore>rrrrr
17:29<spacciatore>che stato
17:29<spacciatore>?
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17:30<spacciatore>qualcuna di comiziano?
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17:31<spacciatore>yeah!
17:32<spacciatore>I`M the power !
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17:32<spacciatore>can you chat with me?
17:32<grove>!chat
17:32<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
17:32<amacater>What do you want to know about Debian support
17:33<spacciatore>sorry
17:33<spacciatore>:(
17:33<amacater>ed anche !it
17:33<amacater>!it
17:33<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
17:35<spacciatore>stavo provando le utility pensavo fosse una chat....scusate!
17:35<bremner>!test
17:35<dpkg>Test failed.
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17:39<azerty>dpkg: bonjour
17:39<dpkg>Bonjour, azerty. Comment allez-vous?
17:39<azerty>amacater: parlez français ici :)
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17:43<bremner>!fr
17:43<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
17:43<sagetgreat>hey, how do i remote into a raspberry pi from debian?
17:44<bremner>sagetgreat: use ssh, I guess
17:44<sagetgreat>so go and sudo apt-get ssh?
17:44<bremner>sagetgreat: you need an ssh server on the rpi side.
17:44<sagetgreat>is that something default?
17:44<bremner>no idea
17:45<sagetgreat>lol
17:45<sagetgreat>lemme see
17:45<bremner>on the debian side, "apt install openssh-client"
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17:46<sagetgreat>it appears that I have it :l
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17:54<backbox>heeeee ;0
17:54<sagetgreat>sup
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17:57<amacater>!raspbian
17:57<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
17:57<amacater>But - as root on the raspberry pi - run raspi-config and enable ssh server?
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18:59<tomg>appropriate channel for conversation about building things on Debian, any thing?
19:02<themill>I recall there being a #debian-derivatives
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19:29<tomg>no I'm sorry, I just meant very general, low level conversation to do with just talking about what I'm doing on Debian
19:29<tomg>which happens to be compiling a package
19:30<themill>#packaging is for making packages
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19:59<bremner>tomg: ##workingset on freenode is not debian specific, but might be helpful
20:00<bremner>dunno, depends what "compiling a package" means. If autotools/cmake etc.., then ##workingset is the (quiet) place
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20:08<tomg>thanks, bremner, but it's really only slightly interesting. I'm hoping for a general purpose channel to talk about the (technically) joy
20:08<tomg>or fun, that I'm having on Debian, particularly with building things :)
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20:08<namosca>Hi all
20:09<tomg>but wow, ##workingset is amazing
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21:56<holyhit>hi, how to auto-login?
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21:56<holyhit>user-login
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21:56<tomg>!wait
21:56<dpkg>If no-one has answered your question to your satisfaction, please wait 10 minutes before asking again. Please don't whine about your problem, about the channel, about Debian, Linux, or anything else. Just wait 10 minutes and then ask again. Ask me about <repeat> and <ask>.
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21:56<tomg>dpkg, autologin
21:56<dpkg>If you want an insecure box that boots into a session with your user. Xdm cannot do autologin but gdm and kdm can if you really want them to. (But do you?)
21:57<themill>nodm can do do that too
21:57<holyhit>I dont know what my linux have. xdm, gdm or kdm
21:58<holyhit>I use a full crypted bunsenlabs (sorry for my english)
22:00<themill>Sounds like you want #bunsenlabs on chat.freenode.net
22:01<holyhit>oh
22:01<holyhit>iam here because its debian, too?
22:01<themill>If you didn't download it from debian.org, it's not debian.
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22:02<holyhit>rb@debian:~$ uname -a
22:02<holyhit>Linux debian 3.16.0-4
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22:03<holyhit>ok thx, i try to connect to the other server
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22:06<namosca>To all: I just did an apt update and upgrade for my testing repositories, but the LibreOffice was still to old (version 4 something), so I had to go to Synaptic and update it manually to veresion 5. How can I ask Synaptic (or anything equivalent) to update ALL my installed packages automatically?
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22:08<themill>namosca: if you're tracking testing, then "apt-get dist-upgrade" will often be needed to upgrade (and remove no longer needed) packages
22:08<namosca>I went to Synaptic-> Edit -> Mark All upgrades and then apply all marked changes. is this right?
22:08<coruja>apt full-upgrade (and btw, support concerning testing/unstable should go to #debian-next)
22:09<themill>s/should/can/
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22:09<coruja>ok ;)
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22:12<namosca>full-upgrade or dist-upgrade? what is the difference?
22:12<themill>the man page covers this
22:13<themill>(they're synonymous)
22:13<namosca>thanks
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22:14<coruja>apt-get dist-upgrade _or_ apt full-upgrade
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22:15<awal1>holyhit: default DM in bunsenlabs is lightdm, I guess. just google enable autologin for lightdm; you'll find your answer
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22:16<awal1>but bunsenlabs team may have configured lightdm and more stuff in the system differently; that's why you want to ask in bunsenlabs channel
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22:19<holyhit>ok thx awal1
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22:29<annadane>ok, so. i'm trying to update my java plugin for firefox and i'm not sure which folder to install the tar
22:31<annadane>i can probably search this instead of asking in here
22:31<annadane>>_>
22:31<somiaj>annadane: it is preferable to use local directories for this, so $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/plugins or something like that
22:31<annadane>oh
22:31<annadane>thank you, so i'm not just an idiot who doesn't know how to search things, thanks
22:32<annadane>i thought it'd be more trivial
22:32<somiaj>you don't want to put things in system locations that are not .deb packages.
22:32<somiaj>you can, but this can lead to dpkg overwriting things. If possible use local location and for a plugin I'd just put it in my $HOME dir
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22:35<tomg>it's ~/.mozilla/plugins/ and it needs to be set 755
22:35<tomg>chmod 755 whatever.so
22:35<bremner>I bet 700 works
22:36<bremner>unless madness prevails again in the browser world
22:36<somiaj>bremner: I say the chance is high with the browser world, they always seem to be rebel apps
22:38<tomg>well even 500 would work ;)
22:39<annadane>also very noob question, but i am assuming that openjdk vs oracle java 8 are different things
22:39<somiaj>yes, though both provided by oracle
22:40<somiaj>debian only provides openjdk, if you really want the oracle version you have to install that locally or use java-package
22:40<somiaj>!java-package
22:40<dpkg>java-package (formerly mpkg-j2se, j2se-package) provides the make-jpkg utility for creating Debian packages from manually downloaded <Java> distributions; Oracle Java 6 (update >= 10) and Oracle Java 7 are currently supported. java-package is available for Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems in <contrib>. http://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage . Where possible, use <OpenJDK> instead, ask me about <install java>.
22:40<annadane>i actually have both installed
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22:47<namosca>themill, the apt-get dist-upgrade command worked like a charm! thank you :)
22:47<themill>np
22:48<themill>annadane: installing the plugin from the packages is usually the best option and that way, apt will keep the plugin updated too
22:50<annadane>i did something recently, i don't remember what, and the firefox addon page is now telling me that it should be updated, so now i wait? i actually don't know the name of the plugin you're referring to, if i could update it via command line
22:50<annadane>sorry if i'm totally missing your point
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22:52<themill>icedtea-7-plugin in jessie
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22:53<annadane>themill: ok; wasn't installed, is now, still gives same message
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22:54<themill>yeah, well if you've installed it as your user by some other means then that will be the one that is used and must be updated
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22:56<annadane>themill: atm i'm trying to find my firefox plugin directory via searching and can't actually find it to update it
22:56<awal1>annadane: firefox from debian (main repo)?
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22:58<annadane>awall: yeah
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23:00<annadane>i'm digging through the package manager to see what i can find
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