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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-12-27

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03:39<amma>Created some ssh keys with
03:39<amma>jessie@dlp:~$ mv ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
03:39<amma>jessie@dlp:~$ chmod 600 ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
03:39<amma>where soes the private key go?
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03:40<namosca>Hi
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03:43<tomg>hi namosca
03:43<tomg>hi amma
03:44<amma>Hi tomg
03:44<tomg>amma, it doesn't go, it stays exactly where it is. you may want to take out that authorized-keys file
03:44<jm_>you keep private key on the source host,m not on the target one (i.e. not the one you add your public key to authorized_keys on)
03:44<namosca>I have installed an configured laptop-mode-tools, but I want to check if its really working... do you know how can I test it?
03:44<tomg>it's only supposed to go in the other computer, the one you're trying to log in to
03:44<tomg>namosca, I think there was something but I can't look into it now
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03:44<tomg>too tired. have to go to bed :)
03:45<namosca>tomg, ok... have a nice sleep :D
03:46<jm_>from man laptop_mode -> laptop_mode status
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03:46<amma>ok thanks to tomg and jm_ for telling me to keep private key on my computer and the public one on the remote host
03:48<amma>tomg: why do you suggest to the authorized-keys file?
03:48<amma>take out
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03:50<jm_>amma: you can copy the right one to the remote host using the ssh-copy-id command
03:51<amma>jm_ not sure what the ssh-copy-id command is I will look it up -useful to know thanks
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03:52<jm_>it's used to populate the authorized_keys file on remote hosts
03:53<amma>jm_ ok I will look up the command to copy the public key on to remote host -thnks
03:54<jm_>no problem
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04:00<emperormicah>asd
04:00<emperormicah>ho
04:00<emperormicah>just installed linux mint ppc
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04:00<emperormicah>:)
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04:01<namosca>tomg, bye bye!
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04:01<dante>heyy guys
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04:02<dante>Cool we have a chat room cool
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04:13<pdo_fn14>Well folks, I using unattended-upgrades with "origin=*" option. Yeah, won't have any bad experience right now.
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04:15<pdo_fn14>But maybe it's can be annoying if using debian for a while and unattended-upgrade process would be interrupted.
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04:16<pdo_fn14>And can be futile for people of server-centric geeks.
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05:54<namosca>Hi I am trying to install the Tor Browser on Debian 8.6 testing , but using apt-get install torbrowser-launcher says the package is not found even if the debian site (https://wiki.debian.org/TorBrowser) says it is.. what should I do?
05:56<jm_>for testing ask in #debian-next
05:57<namosca>thanks
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07:15<cat6>I can't get copy/paste to work in virtualbox between host Debian stable system and guest Debian stable system. Guest Debian OS has virtualbox-guest-dkms, virtualbox-guest-modules, virtualbox-guest-utils, virtualbox-guest-x11 installed, and the machine is set to "Shared clipboard: bidirectional". Trying to copy paste via a text editor's "copy" "paste" functions between host and guest but it does not work. any ideas what I could be doing wrong? Thought
07:15<cat6>this was a #debian qestions since both host and guest OS is same debian stable version
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07:21<EmleyMoor>Is there, in Debian, an Android emulator?
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07:43<android-amj56jekgjgjjefj5j>hi
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08:57<deathsbreed>Hey, I have a question about the ath9k_htc firmware/drivers.
08:57<deathsbreed>Would this be a good place?
08:57<deathsbreed>Nvm I'll ask later have to head out now (T_T)
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11:32<quacko>Hi guys. I have an old squeeze server that is still in production (internet facing too!). I'd like to bring it up to date before the dist upgrade (I would also like to test the upgrade process on a similarly speced and similar software installation on a VM) I can't find any servers that are serving debian squeeze on apt. Are there any sources still running???
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11:35<jhutchins_wk>!archive
11:35<dpkg>[archive] a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/
11:36<jhutchins_wk>!snapshot
11:36<dpkg>http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412
11:36<quacko>!help
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11:37<jhutchins_wk>quacko: The old repos are on archive.debian.org.
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11:38<Pimentinha>tomg: I'll send you a screenshot of my problem. Ok?
11:38<jhutchins_wk>!squeeze-lts
11:38<dpkg>Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" ended on 2016-02-29 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main».
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11:40<Pimentinha>tomg: please accept this screenshot file
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11:46<deathsbreed>Okay, back.
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11:49<deathsbreed>Okay, so I have an AR9271 WiFi adapter which requires the ath9k_htc firmware. I found the open_firmware page for Debian, but the instructions don't work (it fails to load the modules, I can give more details if needed). I am also wondering why this firmware is in `non-free' if it is free software? Is there a non-free version? If so why does Debian distribute the non-free version in the repos and not
11:49<deathsbreed>the free version?
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11:50<tomg>hi deathsbreed
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11:51<deathsbreed>tomg: hi
11:51<tomg>dpkg, wiki?
11:51<dpkg>i don't know, tomg
11:52<tomg>dpkg, debian wiki?
11:52<dpkg>The Debian wiki (http://wiki.debian.org/) is a support and documentation resource for the Debian project. For information about the wiki itself, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki . Wiki bugs are documented in the <BTS>, see http://bugs.debian.org/wiki.debian.org . See also <immutable wiki>.
11:52<deathsbreed>I've been using this wiki page: https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc/open_firmware
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11:53<deathsbreed>I've tried compiling from `master', `1.4.0', and `1.3.2'.
11:53<deathsbreed>It fails to load all of them with exit code `-2'.
11:54<tomg>I don't see this device in the Debian list yet
11:54<deathsbreed>https://tehnoetic.com/tehnoetic-wireless-adapter-gnu-linux-libre-tet-n150
11:55<deathsbreed>That's the device.
11:55<deathsbreed>I swear I've seen it in the Wiki...
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11:56<tomg>okay so it's ath8k_htc like you said
11:56<tomg>9 . :)
11:56<deathsbreed>It does say that this device is supported by a package that is in `non-free', however I would like to avoid that.
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11:57<deathsbreed>Wait... might've been a lack of dependencies... (T_T)
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11:58<tomg>you've built the open firmware?
11:58<deathsbreed>Yes
11:58<tomg>and this exit code -2 comes from what?
11:59<deathsbreed>[ 962.861089] usb 3-1.2: firmware: failed to load ath9k_htc/htc_9271-1.4.0.fw (-2)
11:59<deathsbreed>dmesg output
11:59<tomg>ok does that file assuredly exist?
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12:01<deathsbreed>Would I be looking for something like `/lib/firmware/ath9k_htc/htc_9271-1.4.0.fw'?
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12:01<tomg>I think so
12:01<deathsbreed>I'll try that.
12:01<deathsbreed>If it is then I will feel very stupid -_-
12:02<tomg>it would have been stupider not to ask
12:02<tomg>:)
12:02<deathsbreed>got a point
12:02<tomg>have to ask the blunt questions sorry :)
12:03<Pimentinha>tomg: i'll send you now
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12:06<deathsbreed>Yay! It worked!
12:06<deathsbreed>tomg: thanks!
12:06<tomg>you're welcome
12:06<deathsbreed>However, I still wonder why the free version is not in the repos but the non-free one is.
12:06<tomg>try again pimentinha
12:06<tomg>!non-free
12:06<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
12:07<tomg>non-free is philosophically not Debian
12:08<deathsbreed>So... that means that the package in `non-free' is still free software?
12:08<tomg>no
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12:09<deathsbreed>Okay, so then my question stands, why is the non-free package available but the free/libre one is not?
12:09<tomg>try again Pimentinha
12:09<tomg>oh
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12:09<tomg>that's probably just because the free one isn't released anywhere because it's very very in development
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12:09<tomg>some stuff in non-free might be free for you, but it's not considered dfsg
12:09<tomg>dpkg, dfsg?
12:09<dpkg>DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses
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12:10<tomg>Pimentinha, what was this issue about again? and also, the DCC is most likely not to work because I'm behind like 100 firewalls
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12:10<tomg>I haven't had it work since 2002 or so
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12:11<Pimentinha>it says that is not active OpenBSD SSH Service in my VM. Why?
12:11<tomg>dpkg, foss
12:11<dpkg>rumour has it, foss is Free and Open Source Software - See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOSS
12:11<tomg>oh you want to know why SSH isn't starting. have you tried starting it ssh -d from the root shell?
12:12<deathsbreed>I believe this license is perfectly compatible with the DFSG, it's the BSD-3-Clause-Clear.
12:13<deathsbreed>I mean, it could be that no one has gotten around to packaging it, which I would understand.
12:13<tomg>for open firmware? yeah. I think it's both the it may not be ready for packaging thing, and maybe the second thing
12:14<tomg>I think it's most likely not ready. it's never been best to use bleeding edge hardware on desktop Linux
12:14<tomg>although, on the plus side, you did get it working :)
12:14<tomg>good thing I didn't tell you just to use the non-free one. now I know
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12:15<Echoz>luckily nothing has happened in the hardware world in 2-3 years :)
12:15<tomg>deathsbreed, although I am not as knowledgeable on that issue as you would need me to be
12:15<tomg>which means, "I don't know"
12:16<tomg>I'm just assuming. in my defence, I get extremely, extremely far on Debian GNU/Linux with assuming things though :)
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12:16<deathsbreed>Yeah, I guess that the bigger question would be is there a way to see if the software in `non-free' is 'source-available'?
12:16<tomg>dpkg, source?
12:16<dpkg>As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package>
12:16<Echoz>tomg: that's one of the things i love about debian, things are very logical
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12:17<tomg>Echoz: massively so :)
12:17<tomg>it's an architectural monument
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12:18<Echoz>I may have a bias though, but for instance CentOS feels really messy to me everytime I have to work with a CentOS server
12:18<tomg>thanks to Ian Murdock...
12:19<deathsbreed>Yeah, seems like there's no source files, just the binaries.
12:19<Echoz>deathsbreed: What's the package name?
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12:19<deathsbreed>firmware-atheros
12:20<deathsbreed>It's in non-free and contains no source files.
12:20<deathsbreed>Just the end .fw files.
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12:21<zeus34ify>hi?
12:21<tomg>hi zeus34ify. welcome to #debian. if you have a question please ask it, but be very, very patient
12:22<tomg>deathsbreed: that would be the truth about blob firmware packages
12:22<zeus34ify>how can i install tor web in my computer?
12:22<tomg>there will be a source package, but not any source in it
12:22<Echoz>https://echoz.rocks/paste/data/1482859344733
12:22<Echoz>This license comes with it, so yes, apparently no source code
12:22<tomg>zeus34ify, don't, it's really bad for you :)
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12:23<deathsbreed>zeus34ify: You can either use the version from their website or the torbrowser-launcher package in Debian.
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12:23<zeus34ify>tanks
12:23<zeus34ify>thanks****
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12:24<tomg>okay I have to go, good day everyone
12:24<Echoz>zeus34ify: I would just download the archive and place it in your home directory, if I were you
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12:25<Echoz>tomg: goodbye, see you later
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12:25<deathsbreed>So, after looking into it I found this: https://paste.debian.net/905005/
12:25<deathsbreed>So it seems like there is a free software version mixed in with the proprietary versions (T_T)
12:26<deathsbreed>basically, it's in the repos... but they put it with all the other non-free firmware???
12:26<Echoz>deathsbreed: You could do just a download and install just those files manually
12:27<deathsbreed>True, I think that's what I'll end up doing just to keep the free software bits.
12:27<deathsbreed>And also take advantage of not having to recompile my shit every time (-_-)
12:27<Echoz>deathsbreed: Yeah... the Stallman life is not an easy path
12:27*deathsbreed feels like a Gentoo user after compiling his firmware 20 times
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12:30<deathsbreed>Well, now I got things working, and using the repos to an extent too. Thanks guys!
12:30<Echoz>deathsbreed: That's great :)
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12:32<namosca>zeus34ify, I have installed the tor browser today. For this, you have to use the contrib sources
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17:08<techsearch>I'm inexperienced with GPG and don't know how to identify the key id for a debian iso. 1. Is there a method for identifying any given packages associated key id?
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17:08<techsearch>2. How can I obtain the full debian keyring?
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17:12<ryouma>techsearch: iiuc there should be isntructions on the web for getting a public key and verifying an iso
17:13<lucascastro>debian-keyring for devel and maintainers keys
17:13<lucascastro>!debian-keyring
17:14<techsearch>I've consulted https://www.debian.org/CD/verify and https://keyring.debian.org. I may be missing it, but I don't see the protocol for identifying the key id; they just say "once you know the key's ID"
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17:15<ryouma>techsearch: try to verify. it will tell you.
17:15<techsearch>lucascastro: what does that mean?
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17:15<lucascastro>apt install debian-keys
17:15<ryouma>that's a package with the keys. but it's chicken and egg for you.
17:16<lucascastro>that ryouma said.
17:17<bremner>gpg < foo.asc will tell you the key it is signed with
17:17<bremner>or gpg < foo.gpg
17:17<lucascastro>techsearch: I didn't understand when you say ' method for identifying any given packages associated key id?'
17:18<ryouma>you will face the problem of not being able to trust the key, however. so you need to verify that it is the correct key using, say, a trusted person who has it already, or something. it's a matter of building confidence.
17:19<bremner>it's a PITA, unfortunately
17:19<bremner>not that I have a better idea.
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17:20<ryouma>one option is to just take the sha of the iso and ask the trusted person. :)
17:20<lindi->or compare against that https page?
17:20<ryouma>lindi-: if you trust it
17:21<lindi->ryouma: well better than nothing.
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17:27<techsearch>lucascastro: I wasn't sure if the methods for use of determining the key for a debian-sourced file varied from those of other sources, so I was asking for the general method
17:28<techsearch>ryouma: yes, I've mulled that before. But hey, it's a step in the right direction
17:29<techsearch>ryouma: Also, thank you. It worked.
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17:41<ryouma>yw
17:42<ryouma>i would never use a distro that wasn't signed for both packages and iso similarly to debian
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17:50<techsearch>I don't think I realized that .debs were signed as well
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20:00<anoki>is this the active channel for sid related questions?
20:00<anoki>Sorry for my ignorance
20:00<abrotman>anoki: you can try here, or #debian-next
20:00<anoki>I was on there, I was the only one online
20:01<anoki>Debian has such a large list of IRC channels that I think most people migrated to one or two of the popular channels
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20:48<abrotman>I said he could ask here
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21:19<likcoras_>Hello, how can I set up monitors when I plug them in? Running 'xrandr --output DP1 --auto --left-of eDP1' (DP1 being the monitor I'm plugging in) works, how can I make it run when I plug in the monitor?
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21:48<awal1>likcoras: which DE/WM?
21:48<likcoras_>i3
21:49<awal1>likcoras: add your command to your i3 startup/autostart file
21:49<likcoras_>That would just run it once at startup, no?
21:49<likcoras_>I thought it had to be run after the monitor is plugged in.
21:50<awal1>Ah, I missed "when plugging the monitor" :P
21:51<likcoras_>Also need a way to run 'xrandr --output DP1 --off' when the monitor is unplugged, since whatever windows I had on that monitor just stay there, invisible.
21:52<likcoras_>I mean, I could set up a keyboard binding to run it, but I would rather it be done automatically...
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21:52<awal1>well, I would like to know how to do that too under my openbox :P
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21:54<likcoras_>I thought of using udev rules, but I'm not too familiar with them, and I remember it being a bit funky when dealing with Xorg stuff, like having to mess with .Xauthority or something.
21:56<likcoras_>Also tried setting up a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ like so: https://bpaste.net/show/ac95af69dd88 but doesn't seem to do anything, still need to run commands manually after plugging in.
21:56<awal1>even if the unplugged monitor if off, it still plugged and detected, it's just off
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22:00<likcoras_>I meant when I physically unplug it, i3 seems to think it's still there.
22:00<awal1>sorry, I meant when the second monitor if off, it still detected and working, it's just off
22:01<awal1>same here for openbox
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22:02<awal1>if I turn off (--off) my second monitor / unplug it, openbox still launching "obsession-logout" in the second monitor off
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22:03<awal1>but as is off, I don't see that app
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22:05<awal1>with --display option, problem solved
22:05<awal1>well, I'm not helping you; just commenting; sorry :P
22:06<awal1>I don't remember if xfce detects automatically the second monitor when plugged being yet in xfce session
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22:13<awal1>likcoras_: I don't know if "disper" can help
22:16<likcoras_>Huh, will look into.
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22:29<awal1>likcoras_: this may be interesting http://askubuntu.com/questions/7292/is-there-a-way-to-autodetect-when-a-display-is-disconnected check "chris" answer
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22:32<likcoras_>Hm, I see
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