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00:40<georgia>hey everybloody!
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01:12<georgia>anyone online? I accidentally deleted the nobody user and now I can't run apt. how do I restore it?
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01:25<somiaj>the nobody user is uid 65534, here is the entry from /etc/passwd 'nobody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin'
01:26<georgia>should I adduser "nobody"?
01:27<somiaj>you don't want to make it a normal user, you'll want to ensuer it has the correct uid along with the above. You could use what I pated, or use useradd and read the man page so you can set the options when adding that special user
01:29<georgia>what do I do with the uid? Do I adduser 65534? I'm not experienced in the world of unix groups
01:31<georgia>etc password doesn't exist, and I don't think nobody should have a directory.
01:31<georgia>Oh curse my correct spelling
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01:33<georgia>bahaha I fixed it. thanks@
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01:34<georgia>that was way easier to solve than my last fuckup
01:34<georgia>I broke grub. Heh. had to fuck with the bios and burn a supergrub iso onto a usb
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01:35<somiaj>run useradd -d /nonexistent -g nobody -M -r -s /usr/sbin/nologin -u 65534
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04:00<namosca>Hi
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04:03<namosca>I am having trouble installing the latest backport of SMTUBE (the normal is not able to do his work), If I do apt-get -t jessie-backports install smtube, the version is not so curent as what is listed in (https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/video/smtube).If I do apt-get -t jessie-backports install smtube_15.5.10-1~bpo8+1, apt cant find it... what is the correct way? I have the source deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessi
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04:48<quinn>All of a sudden I can't access any of the servers on my machine from my LAN. I haven't changed anything as far as I know and have no idea what's going on. My attempts to connect to ports running HTTP servers and to my SSH server time out.
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04:50<quinn>Nothing in iptables, netstat shows they're gloaming on all ports
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04:53<quinn>'s/ports/addresses/'
04:53<Celelibi>Why is there sometime a dpkg-old file or an ucf-old file when upgrading a package?
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04:55<quinn>Netmap shows only ports 80 and 1720 open on this machine which is not what netstat shows
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04:57<quinn>Rebooting the machine has no effect, disconnecting and reconnecting the machine to the network has no effect
04:59<quinn>Neither port 80 nor port 1720 is open on this machine
04:59<quinn>What is going on here?
05:00<quinn>...
05:00<quinn>I was not connected to my Wi-Fi on my phone
05:01<quinn>But was getting port scan data from the LAN IP. Way to help with troubleshooting, cell provider.
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05:27<Oebele>Hi all, I just installed Debian 9 on my laptop. After I log in I only see the (unmoving) mouse cursor on the login background, completely frozen as far as I can see. Where should I start to try and solve this problem?
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05:30<noqnio1>if you press enter / type, does it prompt you to input the password?
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05:30<noqnio1>if yes, install touchpad drivers
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05:31<grove>You might get better help in #debian-next - this channel is for Jessie
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06:08<Oebele>thanks grove, did not know that
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07:35<josh-debian-sid>Changing to a YouTube video tab is altering my system brightness which I am finding very alarming.
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07:38<grove>josh-debian-sid: Based on your nick, I'm guessing you're using sid, in that case you might get better help in #debian-next
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07:39<josh-debian-sid>grove: I am currently there. I assume that Firefox ESR is on the same release though.
07:40<abrotman>josh-debian-sid: using flash or HTML5? is there perhaps a setting within youtube that might be manipulating this?
07:41<josh-debian-sid>abrotman: HTML. I can't see why youtube should have permission to do such. I would like to disable websites' abililty to do this if is a firefox feature.
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07:43*abrotman uses YT in FF on Stretch, and this doesn't happen
07:43<desert>firefox shoulden't have a "feature" that would let a website control the brightness of your display at a system level, it is possible that the YT tab has a lot of eather very bright or very dim colors that make it look like its changing the brightness?
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07:46<josh-debian-sid>desert: No, the /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/actual_brightness value is changing. GNOME shows the brightness change too.
07:46<user01>hi i was copying to one of my internal drives and it ran out of space so went to the command line and just deleted a large file no longer in use. now however when it boot it gives me the emergency menu
07:46<user01>cntl + d to escape and it boots into xfce
07:47<user01>how do i remove the emergency screen?
07:47<josh-debian-sid>abrotman: I just discovered it also occurs in Iridium (chromium-based). You may be right that it's a weird issue to do with Sid, perhaps the display driver or GNOME.
07:48<abrotman>I use Gnome, doesn't happen here
07:48<desert>josh-debian-sid, unless your running firefox with root privileges it shoulden't even be able to change anything in /sys/* just an idea, but you might be able to "lock" the brightness by changing the file's permissions and ownership
07:48<abrotman>and I have an intel video
07:49<josh-debian-sid>desert: But the DE can via dbus, no idea whether the browser can interact with the DE
07:49<nikv>josh-debian-sid, do you use redlight or something similar?
07:49<josh-debian-sid>abrotman: I will try some other DEs
07:49<josh-debian-sid>nikv: redshift is installed, you're onto something
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07:51<josh-debian-sid>nikv: It is not running (has no process id in ps -ax)
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07:53<josh-debian-sid>I just discovered it. GNOME has an "automatic brightness" option which was enabled and turning it off solved the problem. abrotman nikv desert
07:53<josh-debian-sid>Thanks for your help debugging
07:53*abrotman must not have that set .. interesting setting
07:53<finster>hello there. i'm trying to upgrade a debian wheezy (7.11) system to debian jessie. I removed all files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d, added new files appropriate for jessie. then apt-get update - all fine so far. now apt-get upgrade hangs when "preconfiguring packages". how can I troubleshoot this?
07:54<josh-debian-sid>abrotman: I
07:54<finster>same behaviour for apt-get dist-upgrade
07:54<josh-debian-sid>abrotman: * I'd actually be okay with it if it had a smooth transition, but it just jumps and stings my eyes
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07:57<josh-debian-sid>finster: I'm not sure if it would help, but you could try check the log for dpkg: /var/log/dpkg.log
07:58<finster>josh-debian-sid: yep, did tat. no clues there :/
07:59<josh-debian-sid>finster: Okay, problem's beyond my expertise, sorry.
08:00<abrotman>finster: did you read the docs? you're supposed to do a dist-upgrade
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08:02<josh-debian-sid>abrotman: "same behaviour for apt-get dist-upgrade"
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08:02<abrotman>finster: how long did oyu wait?
08:02<finster>abrotman: yes, i did a dist-upgrade, too. i waited for like 15 minutes
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08:09<finster>okay, i'll ask differently: how can i make apt-get be really verbose/in debug mode?
08:10<finster>and yes, i looked at apt-get(8)
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08:13<abrotman>finster: can you pastebin your sources.list and the output from "apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade" ?
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08:15<finster>abrotman: the sources.list points to internal mirrors, so i suppose they're of no use (i already dist-upgraded using these mirrors, so i suspect a problem on that very machine).
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08:17<finster>anyway, here's the output of apt-gt dist-upgrade: http://ix.io/1OCg
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08:18<finster>there's no package pinning in place
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08:21<abrotman>not much on that system
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08:23<abrotman>finster: I suppose aptitude full-upgrade is the same result?
08:24<finster>abrotman: yup
08:24<abrotman>finster: you can try to do a strace with it, track what it's stuck on
08:26<SynrGy>or could check lsof ...
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08:26<SynrGy>i've seen hangs sometimes on upgrades where remote filesystems are involved and temporarily unavailable.
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08:27*peter1139 is norty and installed a stretch package on jessie (and, indeed, wheezy)
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08:28<SynrGy>peter1139: and the reason for this confession?
08:28<peter1139>i feel dirty ;(
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08:29<SynrGy>peter1139: bring in many deps?
08:30<peter1139>none at all. i was surprised.
08:30<SynrGy>in a limited set of scenarios, it might not break your system too badly ...
08:30<SynrGy>if it's a leaf-node package with no versioned deps
08:30<peter1139>libc6 was new enough and that was it
08:31<SynrGy>lucky
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08:32<peter1139>and careful. i did test it all in a throwaway vm etc...
08:32<SynrGy>is the package very out-of-date, then?
08:32<SynrGy>i mean, no new uploads in years
08:32<SynrGy>otherwise, i can't see libc6 working all the way back to wheezy
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08:37<peter1139>May 2015
08:38<finster>abrotman: nothing insightful with strace/lsof yet. thanks for helping, though
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08:49<abrotman>finster: is the strace output moving? or just stuck?
08:49<abrotman>or looping
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08:51<finster>abrotman: it's stuck
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08:53<abrotman>on what?
08:53<abrotman>is it making sense?
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08:56<SynrGy>finster: there are no files owned by dpkg or apt that would tell you what it is stuck on? i find that surprising.
08:56<SynrGy>files open* by
08:57<grummund>hi, file iwlwifi-3945-2.ucode is present under /cdrom/firmware but the installer does not find it.
08:57<finster>abrotman: it does not make sense (at least to me): http://ix.io/1OCo
08:57<finster>these are the very last lines
08:58<grummund>any ideas what could be wrong?
08:58<peter1139>dodgy usb device
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08:59<peter1139>finster, can you cat /proc/bus/input/devices ?
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08:59<finster>peter1139: no, it stalls, too
09:01<grummund>how can it be a dodgy usb device? the installer run from it ok.
09:01<grummund>just that ucode file (which i added) it cannot find.
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09:05<SynrGy>grummund: using which installer?
09:05<abrotman>grummund: he wasn't telling you dodgy usb
09:07<grummund>using the jessie netinst iso copied to a usb stick
09:08<grummund>(actually sd card in a usb reader)
09:08<SynrGy>grummund: imaged to the usb how?
09:08<grummund>imaged with rufus utility under windows
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09:08<grummund>fat32
09:09<SynrGy>some imaging software mangles it. did it byte-for-byte copy it to the device or do "magic" to make it bootable?
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09:10*grummund not sure... but it *does* boot and can install full debian except that ucode is not found
09:11<SynrGy>i understand it is actcually possible to get rufus to image it properly, but it might be a bit non-obvious how
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09:12<grummund>i believe it used iso copy ... whatever, i opted for the "recommended" method.
09:12<SynrGy>if it tears it apart and reorganizes it onto the usb, it could make it impossible for the installer to find some of the bits
09:12<grummund>i added the ucode file later, while it was mounted as /cdrom
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09:14<SynrGy>if you could actually edit parts of the image afterwards, it's a pretty good sign rufus is mangling it
09:14<grummund>sorry, it's nonfree firmware if i didn't make that clear
09:14<SynrGy>probably easier if you just use a firmware image instead:
09:15<SynrGy>sec
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09:16<grummund>if i skip that step (accepting that wifi is not needed) the installer completes successfully
09:16<SynrGy>!firmware image
09:16<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>.
09:16<SynrGy>well, if you have a workaround, then there's nothing to report, i guess
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09:17<SynrGy>normally you could put the firmware in a top-level folder /firmware and the installer will find it. however, if you image byte for byte the iso to the usb, then it is iso9660 which is not editable ...
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09:18<grummund>after reboot it appears that kernel gets stuck looking for that driver
09:18<SynrGy>there are other ways to prepare a USB in a way that would make it editable, but rufus isn't a supported way
09:18<grummund>ok i see
09:18<SynrGy>the installation guide has supported ways
09:19<SynrGy>but as i said, the unofficial image is probably the easiest
09:19<SynrGy>or else plug in a second USB with /firmware as a top folder with the firmware in it
09:19<SynrGy>the installer should iterate over all block devices, find it, and use it
09:20<grummund>so even that i can shell out and see that file under /cdrom/firmware, even md5sum it, it's corrupted somehow
09:20<SynrGy>or isn't a dir it looks in
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09:22<grummund>ok, followup question then... can i stop it wanting that driver after reboot?
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09:28<grummund>once the system is installed (using eth0), say add nonfree to sources.list and simply apt-get install firmware-blah.
09:29<SynrGy>do you know the kernel module name? something like: module.blacklist=yes
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09:30<SynrGy>where "module" is the name of the kernel module
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09:31<grummund>presumably iwl3945 (or i'll google it)
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09:32<SynrGy>sure
09:32<SynrGy>that's a legacy module name. there's also iwlwifi
09:34<abrotman>finster: any progress?
09:35<finster>abrotman: nope
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09:35<finster>abrotman: i'll need to put the topic aside
09:40<abrotman>finster: if it is a bad USB device, what is currently plugged in? can it be removed?
09:42<finster>abrotman: i suspect a broken IPMI device
09:43<finster>or the virtual keyboard that comes with it, especially
09:44<abrotman>oh, fun
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10:43<alvanson>So there were about 1000+ new packages in testing this morning... did something break or late christmas present?
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10:44<vishal_>what is this channel about?
10:45<peter1139>debian
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10:50<petn-randall>!debian-next
10:50<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
10:50<petn-randall>alvanson: ^^^
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10:51<alvanson>I will ask there, thanks.
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10:54<b34>hey there everybody
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10:55<etien>hello
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10:55<etien>so where should i be if i need custom kernel building help?
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10:57<b34>I have a weird problem with x on jessie, the xserver starts but the highest availiable resolution in arandr and xrandr is 800x600, also xrandr says "Can't open display" unless I specify the display with -d :0
10:58<petn-randall>b34: What graphics card is that?
10:58<b34>Xorg -configure fails with "No screes detected" but without xorg.onf x starts fine, just with low resolutios
10:58<b34>intel "Device 22b1 (rev 21)"
10:58<b34>is what lspci says
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10:59<towo`>b34, if it is skylake, you need kernel, drm and ddx from backports
10:59<petn-randall>b34: Do you know the make/model of the machine or the graphics card?
10:59<towo`>b34, and also you need the non-free firmware from there
11:00<towo`>b34, and for lspci, do update-pciids as root
11:00<b34>oh, forgot to say, this is n a Asus laptop, X553S
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11:02<b34>lspci: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 21)
11:02<b34>didn't know about that update-pciids, thanks :)
11:05<etien>So I got a HP G60, with a 120gb ssd drive (replace orignal hdd), Intel i915 (driver)... Trying to recomplie a custom kernel to solve video issues, freezing video on screen and locking up X11... I used make localmodconfig to generate a config file, but after making the kernel I am getting errors on the make... maybe i am going overboard here but not sure where i am running into problems at this point. I made
11:05<etien> a kernel yesterday, but it would not boot, kernel panel...
11:05<towo`>etien, no need for compile
11:05<etien>really?
11:06<towo`>etien, install the kernel from backports, also drm and intel ddx
11:06<etien>hum...
11:06<etien>this solves the freezing video issue that crashes Xorg?
11:06<towo`>propably
11:06<towo`>because the kernel has a newer i915 module
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11:07<etien>video also skips frames every 30 secs...
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11:07<towo`>etien, and if it has a skylake cpu, you need the kernel from backports and you need nonfree-firmware from there
11:08<etien>how would i know if its a skylake? towo`
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11:08<towo`>etien, lspci | grep -i vga
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11:09<etien>towo`: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary) (rev 0c)
11:09<b34>towo`: ehm, can you give me a hint which firmare I should install?
11:10<b34>*firmware
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11:10<etien>lol, i hate laptops for this exact reason...
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11:11<alvanson>Desktops can have skylakes too, though :)
11:11<etien>desktops are so much easier to deal with... it doesnt work just find another componet and replace lol
11:11<petn-randall>!lol
11:11<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
11:11<towo`>etien, that's a very old chipset
11:11<etien>yeah i know
11:11<etien>towo`: its a computer i found in the dump lol
11:12<etien>its my multimedia computer for my tv now lmao
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11:12<towo`>etien, so you don't need firmware
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11:13<towo`>etien, try the kernel, drm and xserver-xorg-video-intel from backports
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11:13<towo`>etien, for older chipsets, sometimes it works better wirth the modsetting-ddx
11:13<etien>towo`: ok, i've give it a shot
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11:15<namosca>etien: I missed your conversation a lot, but you said your video is freezing with i915... I have the same problem sometimes, but only if I have tasksel-laptop on... i think its something with the fdpowermon.
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11:25<b34>towo`: Can you tell me if this is skylake?
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11:30<etien>towo`: ok, sorry, but I am not all that familar with debian, i was a fedora user but i got sick of it. How would i go about installing that backport stuff? I have the source.list file added with the backport tree already, just need a bit of help from here, thanks
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11:33<grummund>is there a file that can be edited to disable dell point stick as input device?
11:33<abrotman>dpkg: tell etien about jessie backports
11:34<abrotman>etien: There are also instructions at backports.debian.org
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11:47<etien>am i'm going to need to install other modules other then drm and i915, for hardward in my machine, after installing a new kernel?
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11:47<etien>i suppose thats a yes right?
11:47<jhutchins_wk>etien: Go to the backports web page - they have instructions there.
11:48<jhutchins_wk>!backports
11:48<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
11:48<blast007>etien: kernel modules? no
11:48<etien>yeah, the kernel modules... i'm guessing i should do a lspci and look for any modules i would need for a backport kernel?
11:49<jhutchins_wk>etien: Anything that relies on a specific kernel will install as dependencies.
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11:50<etien>yeah but it wont know what kernel modules i need to boot, guess the question is if i have to install the drm an i915 drivers i would also need to install the rest of my hardware in the machine before rebooting into the backport kernel...
11:51<jhutchins_wk>etien: That's what apt is for. It takes care of those things for you.
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11:51<jhutchins_wk>etien: Most kernel modules are a part of the kernel package anyway.
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12:02<grummund>find -type f -name '*.foo' -exec mv -vi {} ./ +
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12:03<grummund>desert: disclaimer, not tested ^
12:03<desert>what part does what?
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12:05<grummund>desert: i trust you can follow the man page now there is an example to follow.
12:06<desert>yes, i can follow man pages, if i knew what was a command and what was syntax, find im guessing is a command, but i don't know about the rest
12:08<jhutchins_wk>desert: I suggest you go read the man page, then come back here with specific questions. That way you'll understand what you're doing better.
12:10<desert>i am reading the man page, and my question seemed clear enough to me
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12:15<rno>etien: debian site searchpage, it's probably this package -> https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=jessie-backports§ion=all&arch=i386&lang=en&searchon=names&keywords=firmware-misc-nonfree
12:17<grummund>desert: man find, and man mv.
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12:33<etien>well thats just nice... broke it!
12:33<etien>lol
12:33<etien>cant boot either kernel now..
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12:48<etien>well clear that i was missing something there.. but with no network anymore and no kernel booting correctly its back to the drawing board... installing fresh copy again...
12:49<lostatwork>might want to try a buntu version of some sorts
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12:50<etien>thats wierrd.. how did i effect my current working config if i was using a backport tree? shouldnt it have created 2 versions?
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12:52<namosca>If I understood right the Debian Manual, many packages are automatically compiled "in the cloud". Is there a way I can let my computer be used over the internet for Debian compiling/packaging?
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12:55<somiaj>namosca: I don't think that can be shared, what is happening is sbuild is being used on clean build enviroments for each arch (my limited understanding)
12:56<namosca>somiaj: It would be nice to the "community feeling" if that could be done :)
12:56<somiaj>namosca: also due to security, signing of packages, sharing this task outside of the infrastructure setup isn't something that I think would be easy managable. But #debian-mentors may have more details on this process than I do.
12:56<somiaj>namosca: sounds nice in practice. But then we have to trust that the packages you compiled haven't modified something in the process.
12:56<namosca>somiaj: We dont want NSA compiling packages :)
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12:59<somiaj>namosca: but although your idea sounds nice, I think the actual security/trust issues make it not something worth doing. But I could be wrong, maybe a debian dev in #debian-mentors will give some more insight.
13:00<namosca>I let a message there... it doesnt have to be compiling, but anything that adds to the feeling of community and is also useful
13:00<namosca>it could be being a mirror or automatic webpage generation or whatever
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13:57<mwyraz>hi
13:59<mwyraz>i come from xubuntu and want to give debian a try. i started with gnome because it's the default desktop and probably best supported. is there a way to customize the panels? i'd like to have only one at the bottom with application menu and window bar
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13:59<mwyraz>or should i stay with xfce for such things?
14:00<somiaj>mwyraz: debian provides you the choice of DEs or even WMs, choose the one you like the best
14:00<somiaj>I cna't answer how to configure gnome as I don't use it, but I woudln't say gnome is anymore polished than xfce just because it is 'default'
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14:01<emptiness>hi
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14:02<XCryptoPol[m]>Wich distro of debian would you guys recommend for security and privacy?
14:03<somiaj>XCryptoPol[m]: this is #debian, we would recomended Debian of course.
14:03<XCryptoPol[m]>Hmmm, and other distros based on debian?
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14:04<XCryptoPol[m]>Or is this the "debian only" s section?
14:04<somiaj>!based on debian
14:04<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
14:05<mwyraz>is stretch "stable" enough for daily use?
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14:05<somiaj>mwyraz: stretch is slowly starting to freeze, transion freeze is in place, jan 5th is soft freeze and feb 5th is hard freeze
14:05<mtn>mwyraz: you can do a lot of customization to gnome, using gnome extensions
14:05<somiaj>mwyraz: for the most part I would say it is stable enough for desktop use, provided you don't care about timly security support and can deal with the few bugs you may encounter.
14:06<mwyraz>somiaj, so I'll try it ;)
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14:06<somiaj>mwyraz: Make sure you understand how to debug stuff in Debian first as you have a high chance of running into some bugs. Also #debian-next is the prefered channel for support
14:07<XCryptoPol[m]>dpkg (IRC): ok, I was only asking, if that is the case now i know. No one is disrespecting your choice it was only a question. If this is a debian only group I will comply to that, no hard feelings.
14:07<dpkg>XCryptoPol[m]: what are you talking about?
14:07<mwyraz>somiaj, thank you
14:08<somiaj>XCryptoPol[m]: dpkg is a bot. Anyways, there is ##linux on irc.freenode.net as a general linux channel that may be appropriate to discuss various distros and pros/cons.
14:08<mwyraz>I think I stay with xfce. I have no time to look for extensions (that are maybe not in default repos) just to get my prefrerred panel styles
14:08<XCryptoPol[m]>somiaj (IRC): thank you!
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14:11<mwyraz>i reboot for net setup. see you later ;)
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16:29<namosca>How do I upgrade my OpenGL version using backport? I thought I should update the Mesa version with the libglapi-mesa package, but this didnt update anything according to the info I get from glxinfo | grep 'version'. Any ideas?
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16:32<somiaj>namosca: what video driver are you using?
16:32<namosca>somiaj: How can I get this info?
16:33<somiaj>namosca: it will be in the Xorg.0.log file
16:33<namosca>I use the latest kernel backport and xserver-xorg-video-intel is installed
16:33<somiaj>hmm, unsure what else you would need to do. Check the log file to see what the driver is loading.
16:33<namosca>somiaj: WHere is this file located?
16:34<somiaj>namosca: /var/log on jessie
16:34<towo`>you have to update all mesa packages from backports, not only libglapi-mesa
16:34<towo`>and you won't get opengl 4.x i think
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16:37<namosca>somiaj: The file is huge. Do you mean this here:
16:37<namosca>[ 20.696] (II) LoadModule: "intel"
16:37<namosca>[ 20.723] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so
16:37<somiaj>namosca: I was mostly just double checking you weren't using a non-free driver as they provide their own gl libary
16:37<rno>namosca: I think it also depends the gfx card model lspci | grep VGA
16:38<namosca>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series Graphics & Display (rev 0e)
16:40<namosca>towo`: In order not to install packages I dont need, I was thinking of listing all packages I have with mesa and update to their newest backport. Is it the right approach?
16:42<towo`>yes
16:42<towo`>but again, which version you expect?
16:43<namosca>This would mean: libegl1-mesa, libegl1-mesa-drivers, libgl1-mesa-dri, libl1-mesa-glx, libglapi-mesa, libgles1-mesa, libgles2-mesa, libglu1-mesa, libglu1-mesa-dev, libopenvgl-mesa, libwayland-egl-mesa, mesa-common-dev, mesa-utils
16:44<namosca>towo`: I think the gl version will not get higher, but maybe the peformance will be better?
16:45<towo`>on that lame chipset? i don't think so
16:45<namosca>towo`: Or any bug fixes would be there also
16:45<namosca>towo`: So you mean that if there is any improvement on Mesa, they wont apply to my chipset?
16:46<towo`>you may get more stable mesa, but you won't get a rocket by magic
16:46<namosca>towo`: getting more stable is also good
16:46<towo`>sure
16:47<towo`>so it's allway worth to upgrade
16:47<towo`>but you should even upgrade all parts of the graphics stack
16:47<namosca>towo`: updating all those packages sounds very unclever... is a better way of updating everything in a centralized way?
16:47<towo`>that would include the drm part and ddx to
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16:48<namosca>towo`: I want to update all graphic drivers related stuff, but I dont know how to start
16:48<towo`>graphic stack are 3 parts
16:48<towo`>kernel, libdrm, ddx and mesa
16:48<towo`>4 parts i mean
16:49<namosca>kernel I already updated with the backport to 4.0 something...
16:49<towo`>so you need libdrm, xserver-xorg-video-intel and mesa too
16:51<namosca>apt-get -t jessie-backports install xserver-xorg-video-intel tells me I already have the latest stuff
16:51<namosca>so now i only miss the libdrm, ddx and mesa, right?
16:51<towo`>xserver-xorg-video-intel is the ddx
16:51<namosca>so only drm and mesa is missing
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16:54<namosca>towo`: how do I update the rest (libdrm and ddx)?
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16:56<towo`>namosca, apt -t jessie-backports install $(dpkg -l | awk '/libdrm/{ print $2 }') && apt -t jessie-backports install (dpkg -l | awk '/mesa/{ print $2 }')
16:58<namosca>towo`: That sounds clever... I dont know whis awk command, so I am testing it isolately firsr with awk '/mesa/{ print $2 }'.. seems to take quite a while
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16:59<namosca>ok, i checked it... nice!
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17:02<namosca>the libdrm part was already up to date.. the mesa is getting updated
17:03<namosca>towo`: It worked!! glxinfo | grep 'version' gives the expected version now :)
17:05<namosca>towo`: Do you have any link to recommend that I can read about all you told me?
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17:30<Walex2>namosca: some links to follow
17:31<Walex2>namosca: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/14-one.html#140317
17:31<Walex2>namosca: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/13-one.html#130414
17:31<Walex2>namosca: they might help
17:37<namosca>Walex2: Thanks
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21:34<woh3>I am having trouble installing cryptsetup, it keeps saying change of media required please insert (install cd) to /media/cdrom, but I installed from usb
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21:37<somiaj>woh3: sounds like you ddin't set up internet sources. You will need to mount your install medium at /media/cdrom in order to continue the install from the isntall media
21:37<somiaj>woh3: you could also configure internet sources.
21:37<petn-randall>woh3: During installation, or on a running system where you're trying to install things?
21:38<woh3>no, but I did pick a repository, I have mouned the usb at /media/cdrom and it still does not accept, I even tried mounting as iso9660
21:39<petn-randall>woh3: Try removing the cdrom entry from /etc/apt/sources.list, and running 'apt update' before anything else.
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21:40<woh3>trying now
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21:43<woh3>hmm, that seems to have worked
21:43<woh3>thanks
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21:54<woh3>does anyone know anything about restoring an electrum wallet? people in #electrum arent answering, and I followed instruction on electrum website, but no balance restored. I have the seed, and did restore from seed, also have a backup of my default_wallet file, but nothing is working
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22:04<kuato>anyone familiar with Parrot Security OS
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22:16<somiaj>!parrotos
22:16<dpkg>rumour has it, parrotos is not debian
22:17<somiaj>arg, unsure the correct factoid. parrot os has it's own support.
22:17<somiaj>!parrot security
22:17<dpkg>Parrot Security OS is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forum.frozenbox.org/ . Parrot is a security oriented distro based on Debian stable. http://www.parrotsec.org/
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