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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-12-30

---Logopened Fri Dec 30 00:00:39 2016
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01:16<backbox>helo
01:18<backbox>hi
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01:49<fragglerock>what's the huge list of things going on when debian boots?
01:50<fragglerock>...er whats it called
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02:43<jose>hi
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03:34<finster>abrotman: re: my question about dist-upgrading: it was indeed the virtual keyboard for the server. after unplugging the system from the power source and re-plugging it, /proc/bus/input/devices was readable again and I was able to dist-upgrade. fun times :)
03:34<finster>abrotman: thanks for your help, very much appreciated!
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04:15<freq>http://gtkatlantic.gradator.net/
04:15<freq>come play monopoly
04:15<peter1139>finster, weird issue :S
04:16-!-mode/#debian [+o babilen] by ChanServ
04:16-!-freq was kicked from #debian by babilen [you should know better]
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04:20<KOJIbKA>Merry Christmas to irc admins by the way ;)
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04:25<babilen>And soon a happy hogmanay!
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04:42<cruncher>KOJIbKA, what about non admins?
04:42<bremner>to hell with them. What are they gonna do?
04:42<bremner>(just kidding)
04:44<cruncher>nah, doesnt matter, offtopic anyway, and not important what he wishes
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06:25<kali_>hlw
06:25<petn-randall>1kali
06:25<petn-randall>!kali
06:25<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
06:26<kali_>how to hack wifi
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06:26<petn-randall>kali_: Hack with your torso, not with your arms.
06:26<petn-randall>kali_: You can get more thrust by using your core muscles instead of only your arms.
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06:33<cruncher>i wonder what makes a person who names themselves kali, go to a debian channel asking on how to hack wifi
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06:41<SynrG>cruncher: the usual? ignorance
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06:44<SynrG>i think, though, we should, as a channel, aim to be less smug/dismissive about such mistakes. just helpfully redirect. everyone was ignorant once.
06:44<cruncher>SynrG, you are right
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06:45<cruncher>thats a very good character strength of yours
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06:46<SynrG>well, i'm less than perfect in this regard :/
06:47<cruncher>but just to add, im not judging them, im trying to discover how a thought can become, how it forms, how it starts
06:48<grove>petn-randall did do !kali (from petn-randall), but before he asked his question, and I don't want to help with that question
06:49<grove>s/ ([^)]+)//
06:50<grove>There should probably be a \ before the first ) - but I doubt that significantly changes how many understood it
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07:00<petn-randall>grove: I assumed you wanted that capture group for something else later.
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08:54<pdo_fn14>Getting problem with Acer Wireless mouse now.
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08:55<pdo_fn14>http://pastebin.com/XfkwLSWZ
08:55<pdo_fn14>!mouse
08:55<dpkg>rumour has it, mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in, or a small furry rodent found in many parts of this world. If you're having trouble with mice in xorg, read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-mouse/README.gz. See also <2.6 mouse>.
08:57<desert>cheese can also be used to fix mice not doing what you want, sharper cheeses are the smarter solutions but just about any cheese will work
08:59<rno>i get pastebin no longer available
08:59<pdo_fn14>!2.6 mouse
08:59<dpkg>2.6 mouse is, like, modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules and choose mouse device /dev/input/mice and mouse type ExplorerPS/2. See http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or the #debian FAQ (http://wiki.debian.org/OtherHardware#MyPS.2BAC8-2mousenolongerworkswitha2.6.xkernel).
09:00<rno>desert: peanuts snacks are also welcome
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09:09<pdo_fn14>Okay, will report it in bugtrack!. Bye.
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09:22<desert>i want debian to give me some indication that a file move was successful after i do it, whats the easiest way to do that? the reason im asking is becouse i move mostly small files that don't take long enough for a move dialog to pop up
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09:22<desert>or file copy
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09:22<petn-randall>desert: If it would fail, you'd get an error message in most GUI file managers.
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09:23<desert>yes, i know, but when it works (as it does 99.999% of the time) i don't get anything back
09:24<desert>i just like knowing that it did copy/move the files like i told it to without having to try again and see what gets me a "already exists" error
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09:28<petn-randall>desert: You could do it on the command line then.
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09:31<desert>that.. would be a little more effort then im willing to spend every time i have to move or copy a file
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09:31<desert>unless i could make a script that would try to copy over all files made/modified today and skip the ones that conflict
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12:29<pdo_fn14>Gosh, even in windows machine, the mouse's still broken. Good, now I had broken mouse.
12:29<pdo_fn14>:(
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12:32<pdo_fn14>The buttons and scrollbar are working, but still useless.
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12:57<femme>I just installed debian testing alongside ubuntu but it doesn't show up in grub, how do I fix that?
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12:59<rno>ubuntu wiki has excellent pages about grub > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
12:59<retrospectacus>should be able to run "sudo update-grub" from either OS
13:01<rno>& https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Troubleshooting
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13:06<femme>Ah I see it found it! Thank you
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13:58<atta>hi
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13:58<atta>how can i updat tool
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14:34<spoch>hi
14:35<spoch>any one here !
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14:38<cruncher>15 seconds.. new record
14:41<mtn>saves the helpers a lot of time ;)
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14:48<Beowulf>Hi, I want to run "apt-get install task-desktop", but it wants to install Gnome, while I already have KDE installed. is there a way to avoid installing gnome?
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14:50<lostatwork>why would you run that if you didn't want the default desktop installed, what exactly are you trying to do
14:50<retrospectacus>!install kde
14:50<dpkg>The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "KDE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue".
14:53<Beowulf>lostatwork, task-desktop installs common utils like apache, alsa, and other stuff.
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14:56<jhutchins_wk>Beowulf: Apache shouldn't be in desktop.
14:56<lindi->Beowulf: take a look at the task-desktop package more closely please
14:57<Beowulf>jhutchins_wk: apache2-bin comes up when trying to apt-get install it
14:58<Beowulf>lindi-, what am i looking for?
14:59<cruncher>Beowulf, and do you have task-kde-desktop installed? it shouldnt install task-gnome-desktop if you had the kde one already
14:59<lindi->Beowulf: apt-cache show task-desktop
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14:59<lindi->Beowulf: and check the Depends and Recommends
14:59<cruncher>Beowulf, but yes, better check out the package liek lindi says
14:59<jhutchins_wk>Beowulf: If apache is actually in a desktop task that should be corrected.
15:00<lindi->Beowulf: do you have task-kde-desktop installed?
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15:00<Beowulf>lindi-, not yet, but I'm about to
15:01<lindi->Beowulf: do you understand the Depends line of the task-desktop package?
15:01<Beowulf>jhutchins_wk: it's in task-desktop's dependencies, but not task-kde-desktop
15:01<Beowulf>lindi-, yeah, required dependency
15:02<lindi->Beowulf: apache is not listed in the direct dependencies of task-desktop here.
15:03<Beowulf>lindi-, it wasn't a direct dependency. i don't know whose dependency it was, but it showed up in task-desktop's apt-get install
15:03<lindi->Beowulf: you need to figure out the dependency chain
15:04<Beowulf>lindi-, as of right now, I'd rather just get sudo up and running. I set up a basic debian install via debootstrap
15:05<lindi->Beowulf: ah, debootstrap, that explains your challenges
15:05<lindi->I really wouldn't install a desktop system with debootstrap unless there was a good reason
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15:06<Beowulf>I don't have a cd/dvd/usb on me that I can burn
15:06<lindi->Beowulf: but you could run debootstrap?
15:07<Beowulf>yeah. made an ext4 partition on my HD and ran debootstrap on it
15:07<lindi->Beowulf: I'd just run the installer under virtualization
15:07<Beowulf>how?
15:08<lindi->Beowulf: kvm -hda /dev/mydisk -cdrom netinst*.iso -m 1024
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15:08<cruncher>Beowulf, first of all, apache2-bin is not apache server. 2nd, apache is not (neither apache2-bin nor server) in task-desktop's (direct) dependencies
15:09<Beowulf>lindi-, is it possible to install the testing branch with KDE instead of gnome?
15:09<Beowulf>cruncher, yeah I realized that. my mind is running a bit slow today
15:09<lindi->Beowulf: I guess
15:09<lindi->Beowulf: I usually install stable and then upgrade
15:10<Beowulf>thx lindi-
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15:17<Beowulf>lindi-, would an debian iso work or just the netinst iso?
15:18<Beowulf>*any
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15:27<somiaj>Beowulf: any will work, but the smaller the install the easier the upgrade, so usually netinstall a minimial install, upgrade that, then install rest of software.
15:28<lindi->somiaj: if you have network connection it should not really matter which media you use
15:28<lindi->somiaj: you can get smaller and incomplete installation if you use the CD1 without internet connection
15:29<lindi->somiaj: with netinst you always get more since you have network
15:30<lindi->somiaj: last time I tried it lacked support for shutting down the system :)
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15:30<lindi->somiaj: or hmm, actually suspend
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15:47<Beowulf>hmm, the netinst CD won't let me use "theMagician" as a username. any reason why?
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15:48<Beowulf>gives me an error saying that the username must start with a lowercase, and can't be more than 32 chars long
15:48<dominik>hi, I have question about debian packaging system. how to get source code of 'virtualbox-qt' package
15:48<dominik>?
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15:49<Beowulf>dominik, make sure you have a source repo in your sources.list and run "apt-get source virtualbox-qt"
15:50<dominik>ok thank you. I will check it
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15:55<somiaj>Beowulf: I've never tried captial letters in username, try it all lowecase.
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15:56<Beowulf>somiaj: it works, but it just looks weird.
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15:57<somiaj>there must be some reason lowercase letters are needed. In general *nix in my expereince rarely tries to use captial letters in names/commands.
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15:58<somiaj>it might be a way just to ensure that Beowulf and beowulf are the same user without having to deal with makgin sure everything that uses username makes everything lowercase
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15:59<Beowulf>more of a standard practice than a technical or security limitation?
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16:01<a2>Beowulf, you can try to change it directly on /etc/passwd
16:01<somiaj>Beowulf: well think of email, is beowulf@domain BeOwUlf@domain BEoWUlf@domain differtt users or the same user?
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16:01<somiaj>I wouldn't if something is saying use lower case, I would stick to lower case otherwise you may find other issues lurking.
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16:04<dominik>it works thank you
16:05<dominik>but why package virtualbox-source has different context than stuff downloaded by apt-get source
16:05<dominik>?
16:06<dominik>context => content
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16:09<somiaj>because apt-get source will include all the debian pataches and debian/ to compile it into a package
16:09<somiaj>the virtualbox-source may just be the vainilla upstream source without the debian modifications.
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16:40<lindi->debian does not have the tools that you need to build the virtualbox package
16:40<lindi->you need the Open Watcom compiler afaik
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17:35<heibol>why connman isn't on debian stretch repository? e.e
17:36<sney>!why is connman not in testing
17:36<dpkg>connman is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=connman
17:36<heibol>:O, thanks sney
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17:37<lostatwork>!why is plank not in testing
17:37<dpkg>plank is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=plank
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17:40<sney>!msg the bot
17:40<dpkg>Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . Also ask me about <judd>, which is another bot and window into the Ultimate Debian Database.
17:43*lostatwork violated the protocol
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18:03<stripe>hi all, putting an openbox desktop on a updated jessie server, need to download a xdg format file and both firefox and wget refuse, any ideas? thanks
18:04<retrospectacus>show the wget command and output: http://paste.debian.net
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18:08<stripe>retrospectacus: http://paste.debian.net/905634/
18:09<retrospectacus>put the URI in 'single quotes'
18:09<stripe>thanks
18:10<retrospectacus>(this will probably not solve the issue but is definitely necessary)
18:14<stripe>retrospectacus: cheers will keep trying,
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18:16<retrospectacus>,file bin/xdg-open
18:16<judd>Search for bin/xdg-open in jessie/amd64: xdg-utils: usr/bin/xdg-open
18:16<retrospectacus>do you have this package xdg-utils installed?
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18:17<stripe>retrospectacus: I have xdg-utils installed will check for xdg-open
18:18<stripe>xdg-open is there
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18:19<retrospectacus>try it with that url.
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18:24<cruncher>stripe, you want your file, or want to find out why that specific url doesnt work?
18:24<cruncher>fyi, it is not a "xdg format file"
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18:28<megaarch>hi
18:29<megaarch>anybody there ?
18:29<cruncher>megaarch, ~730 people
18:30<cruncher>and hi :)
18:30<bremner>!ask
18:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
18:30<cruncher>stripe, if you want the file without any hassle, just remove the "xdg://install?url=" in front, otherwise it looks like you need the program xdgurl
18:31<cruncher>to handle the xdg scheme
18:31<megaarch>yea need to know how to use metasoloit wan
18:31<megaarch>outside wlan
18:31<megaarch>is it possible ?
18:31<megaarch>metasploit*
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18:32<megaarch>??
18:33<megaarch>anyone know how ?
18:33<towo`>this has what to do with debian?
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18:33<megaarch>i'm new here
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18:33<towo`>this is not a "how to crack a network" channel
18:34<megaarch>i don't know what is Hexchat
18:34<megaarch>please give me a hint
18:34<sney>!irc primer
18:34<dpkg>"A Short IRC Primer": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html . See also "The IRC Prelude": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html
18:34<stripe>cruncher: thanks but have already tried that, unable to resolve host address error, think I will just stick with i3,
18:35<cruncher>stripe, remove all those %2F characters, and replace them with normal alshes,etc
18:35<cruncher>then it works
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18:35<towo`>megaarch, hexchat is an irc-client
18:35<cruncher>*slashes
18:35<towo`>megaarch, and if you are to stupid for using metasploid, don't use it
18:36<megaarch>towo, first thank you
18:36<megaarch>i just need to learn
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18:42<stripe>just getting a 403 now cheers anyway,
18:47<cruncher>stripe... lol.. i just tried... here the paste http://paste.debian.net/905647/
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18:48<cruncher>probably you didnt replace all %/char replacements, or forgot the quotes
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18:51<stripe>cheers cruncher, will compare and see where I went wrong
18:51<cruncher>no problem
18:54<stripe>cruncher: was removing /id/ facepalm, cheers again
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19:47<Guest1361>mic check
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19:48<dpkg>Test failed.
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20:08<Beowulf>lindi-, I finally got around to running the cd in kvm, like you said. I finished the install, but /dev/sda4 is still one partition despite me activating the swap option, and /dev/sda4 is now an unrecognized format in gparted.
20:09<Beowulf>update-grub2 doesn't detect the new debian install either
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20:32<jagger>I need to get the quilt 3 source package that is in sid. I am using stable and don't want to mess with my sources file. Is there a direct link I can get it from?
20:33<jagger>looking for the debian/control file for qemu that is in sid
20:34<rno>https://packages.debian.org/search?lang=en&suite=sid&arch=i386&searchon=names&keywords=quilt
20:34<jagger>I mean the format quilt 3.
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20:37<jagger>Where can I find the source code for this https://packages.debian.org/en/sid/qemu
20:37<jagger>apt-get source xxx is not what I am looking for
20:37<rno>right side menu has links with surce packages and upstream homepages
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20:38<jagger>ah there we go. Thank you rno
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21:50<jagger>I am using pbuilder to compile qemu. I first compiled a lib that is not in the debian repos that I need to compile qemu with. How would I get that lib into pbuilder?
21:53<jagger>Is there a fast way to set up a personal repo that I could put that lib in? Yes I did debianize the lib build to follow the rules.
21:59<somiaj>jagger: you could just use pbuilder to login to the chroot and do everything manually, like installing the lib you need. There are ways to list additional libs to be installed during the automatic build I just don't know exactly how
22:00<somiaj>jagger: https://wiki.debian.org/PbuilderTricks#How_to_include_local_packages_in_the_build
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22:02<jagger>somiaj thx for the url! I have been trying to login to the chroot with
22:02<jagger>pbuilder --login --save-after-login
22:02<jagger>but for some reason I just cant get in. ofc I am doing something wrong.
22:03<jagger>somiaj, you now how to get into the chroot with pbuilder?
22:04<somiaj>jagger: I think you just use login, one second, I'm still new with pbuilder
22:04<somiaj>jagger: I just use 'pbuilder login'
22:05<somiaj>I have never messed with saving the state, as soon as you logout, it will be erased.
22:06<jagger>somiaj, yeah I know. Almost ripped the rug off the floor with my toes *poof gone* =P
22:07<somiaj>jagger: I don't use pbuilder for everything, I have manuall created chroots to build in too when I'm not too woried about testing a clean enviroment.
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22:10<jagger>somiaj, that works too. Thing is pbuilder is really a nice way to do things. Just started using git-pbuilder too. Some real Barry White mojo in these tools!
22:11<somiaj>yea pbuilder and sbuild are both nice. But not always the best tool for the job.
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22:14<jagger>somiaj, btw this worked really well "How to include local packages in the build" thx again
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23:11<Beowulf>Ok, I've tried kvm and debootstrap. Is there another way to install debian on free space on my hard drive without booting a livecd?
23:11<Beowulf>I don't have free unburned media on me
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23:15<femme>apt says: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
23:15<femme>but never tells me which two
23:16<femme>I tried aptitude, dist-upgrade, upgrade, aptitude safe-upgrade but
23:16<femme>I can't find out what two packages and why it says that
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23:26<Beowulf>Ok, how can I migrate a debian partition that's on a vbox hd to my physical hard drive?
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23:45<AlexLikeRock>Beowulf, yes
23:46<AlexLikeRock>must work fine
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