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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-01-04

---Logopened Wed Jan 04 00:00:46 2017
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00:56<jasabella>hi
00:56<jasabella>how do i get a wiki page updated on wiki.debian.org?
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00:57<jm_>read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki
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01:00<jasabella>ugh i have to create an account
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01:07<Gryllida>yeah, makes a bunch of stuff easier afterwards
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01:13<xx>hello
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02:39<willemb>Hi. What is the best way to have an up to date ruby on wheezy?
02:43<jack>rvm probaby
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02:46<willemb>problem with rvm is, how to *keep* it up to date on the whole fleet
02:48<jack>ah you might want to check into backports or making your own backport if backports doesnt cover you
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03:01<jamespole>Where's the 'best practice' place to put zone files for bind9? /etc/bind?
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03:11<grawity>they're data, so /var or /srv
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03:54<jamespole>Thanks grawity :)
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04:33<bonefish>hi, what's the alternative command to hwclock to write the system date to the hardware?
04:34<bonefish>since systemd replaced it apparently
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04:35<pipedream>timedatectl?
04:37<grove>I have hwclock on this Jessie box that has systemd (because I don't want to bother, although I think it's too non-unixy), so is systemd replaced that it must be in newer versions, in which case #debian-next is a better place to ask
04:38<somiaj>,file bin/hwclock
04:38<judd>Search for bin/hwclock in jessie/amd64: util-linux: sbin/hwclock
04:38<bonefish>oh it is in sbin
04:39<somiaj>I have it on my stretch too. Yea normal users can't set the hwclock so no need for it to be in their path.
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04:44<bonefish_>i still don't get why the clock is borked somehow
04:45<bonefish_>local clock is working well but it seems the programs are reading it wrong
04:45<bonefish_>especially web browsers
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04:49<somiaj>bonefish_: check /etc/adjtime, is it set to UTC or LOCAL
04:50<bonefish_>LOCAL
04:50<bonefish_>should I change it?
04:51<somiaj>depends on if you want your clock set to local or utc time. I prefer utc, and then set the time zone so your system adjusts your time.
04:52<bonefish_>tnx I will try that
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05:37<Stummi>can I configure xdg-open to use x-www-browser? So I only have one place to configure my preferred browser?
05:38<Stummi>right now when switching browsers I have at least update x-www-browser and xdg-open I think
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05:40<somiaj>Stummi: I don't see why it couln't be set to x-www-browser. Have you tried?
05:41<Stummi>somiaj, howp? "xdg-settings set default-web-browser x-wwww-browser" gives me an error ("invalid application name")
05:41<Stummi>*how
05:41<Stummi>also I just realize xdg-settings set default-web-browser firefox-esr.desktop does not change anything despite giving me no error
05:42<somiaj>oh yea, so you will need to write a .desktop file for x-www-browser
05:42<somiaj>and then use the .desktop file to set it as the browser.
05:42<Stummi>okay, but why does it not update? http://paste.debian.net/906295/
05:43<Stummi>(&& echo OK because xdg-settings seems to exit with no error message but error exit code for some errors)
05:43<somiaj>Stummi: you might have to give it the full path to the file.
05:43<somiaj>Stummi: read the man page, it has been a while since I have messed with that command
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05:44<Stummi>I did read the manpage and according it what I did should work
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05:47<somiaj>Stummi: works here. Are you sure the .desktop files are in the correct spot?
05:49<Stummi>somiaj, it would exit with exitcode 2 if they weren't
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08:45<jim>looking for Michael Vogt... he's the synaptic maint
08:46<themill>jim: you know by now that's not how it works
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08:47<petn-randall>jim: Better ask your real question.
08:47<jim>well if he's around it'd be easier to just have a short conversation with him... I wrote out in a file what I thought was wrong with synaptic... (well -where- it was wrong)
08:47<jim>ok
08:48<jim>I do that then... I found a problem in synaptic where it "misspells" the pathname to one of its config files, and can therefore not open it...
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08:48<petn-randall>jim: Where do you see that?
08:48<jim>sec
08:49<themill>jim: bug reports go to the bts not to irc
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08:50<petn-randall>That too, but sometimes IRC can help to formulate a good bug report.
08:51<themill>checking whether it's already filed is a good plan too
08:51*themill looks at #837074
08:51<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/837074 in synaptic (open, upstream): «Error when closing synaptic: "cannot open /etc/aptapt.conf.d/99synaptic to write APT::Install-Recommends"»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-09-08; last modified: 2016-12-04.
08:51<MarcL>I have installed a brand new Jessie on a different partition to then upgrading it to Testing version, but for some reason it is so clean and wonderful and clean that I don't wanna touch it, so I will upgrade the Jessie version that I am now haha
08:52<petn-randall>jim: Is that the bug you saw? ^^^
08:54<jim>oh ok, so the bug is already filed... I went a little further and located the c++ line where that message is issued, the line that tries to open the file, and the line that forms the string with the pathname (it is the latter where I believe the problem is)
08:55<themill>Great! Sending that information to the bug is the right thing to do
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08:58<petn-randall>jim: Bonus points if you actually fix the line, verify that it fixes the bug, and send the patch to bug report.
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09:00<jim>the problem with me fixing it is I don't know much about the c++ class used to make the path string
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09:01<petn-randall>jim: That's ok, adding the location is already of good help for the maintainer.
09:01<cruncher>jim, so that bug is present as well in jessie?
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09:01<nathan1>Hello
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09:03<jim>I didn't check... but according to a bug referenced by this bug report, I think Anne said something changed in the class to make it fail in this case (i.e., without changing it)
09:03<cruncher>yes, thats why i ask
09:03<jim>changing the code that uses it
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09:03<cruncher>the bug appears only in unstable
09:03<cruncher>and i asked since this is stable channel ,-)
09:03<cruncher>and i files the bug report
09:04<cruncher>*filed
09:04<jim>so it also exists in testing
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09:04<jim>the problem that is
09:04<cruncher>and fixed the "problematic" line, but the problem goes further
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09:04<cruncher>see bug #836427
09:04<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/836427 in apt (open): «apt: Dir::Etc is different by a trailing slash between stable and unstable»; severity: minor; opened: 2016-09-02; last modified: 2016-09-02.
09:04<cruncher>so i didnt upload the "line" patch
09:05<cruncher>as it would be only a dirty fix
09:06<jim>what do you think should happen? should the class work the same between testing/stable/unstable? or should just the usage be fixed?
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09:07<themill>The usage should be fixed
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09:07<jim>themill, so the change to the class should remain?
09:07<themill>If you're concatenating parts of a path together, the user shouldn't have to worry about whether it's /etc or /etc/ that they have to specify
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09:08<themill>and it's hard to believe that there's not a helper function to do that properly already available to synaptic
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09:09<jim>there should probably be a func that joins part of a path, with path separator chars, where it checks to see if there is a path separator at each join point
09:09<jim>and adds if not there
09:09<petn-randall>themill: Looks like somebody is doing path concatenation by hand ...
09:10<themill>indeed
09:10<jim>yeah
09:10<themill>But that was obvious right from the beginning...
09:10<jim>I think it's line 91 of common/rconfiguration.cc
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09:11<cruncher>looks like they relied until now simply on the apt :: entries, and since it changed...
09:12<cruncher>btu as petn-randall said, if you can submit a patch, or even the location, where the slash concatenating should be, thats a big help to the maintainer
09:12<cruncher>because from the numebr of bugs, i think he would welcome some hints/help
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09:13<themill>Even just putting additional +"/" in there would work
09:13<Guest1724>Hello
09:14<cruncher>true, i did a preliminary test, and even the other vars, which were correctly ending with a slash, worked having dounble slash
09:14*petn-randall smells some NIH syndrome.
09:14<Guest1724>How to instal PenTest Tools for Parrot OS Lite ?
09:14<petn-randall>Guest1724: You should ask in the Parrot OS channel.
09:14<petn-randall>!parrot os
09:14<petn-randall>!parrot
09:14<dpkg>parrot is probably the image displayed from the ipaq's default bootloader see http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/LoadingFromCF
09:14<Guest1724>yes im a Parrot User
09:15<petn-randall>I could swear I added that factoid.
09:15<cruncher>jim, i had that bug on my todo list, but you are welcome to do it first as it doenst look i would have time any soon :D
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09:20<MarcL>I would like to upgrade Jessie to Stretch, can you tell me what I have to change here to have a brand new Debian Testing version? https://paste.debian.net/906319/
09:20<jim>cruncher, you mean reporting it? I'm doing that now (if I can find the bug report number... it's in this scrollback)
09:21<jim>MarcL, the firstr thing yuou want to do is bring your stable uptodate
09:21<cruncher>jim, no, i told you already that it was me who filed that bug, i mean you can send the bug patch
09:21<cruncher>jim, if you report that bug, be sure to select the already existing one, and add your comments
09:21<jim>I don't know how to fix it yet :) so I have a location but not a patch
09:22<MarcL>jim, it is
09:23<MarcL>jim, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y DONE
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09:26<petn-randall>MarcL: What is your reason to upgrade to stretch? Do you want to beta-test our next release?
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09:28<MarcL>petn-randall, I just want newer software than Jessie
09:28<petn-randall>MarcL: Then jessie-backports might be a better fit. stretch is pre-release, and as such still has quite some bugs.
09:28<MarcL>petn-randall, could be better to upgrade it just to a Jessie backport version?
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09:29<MarcL>petn-randall, yes yes I tought that
09:29<petn-randall>!jessie-backports
09:29<dpkg>Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>.
09:29<petn-randall>MarcL: ^^^
09:30<MarcL>petn-randall, then how to do to upgrade all my Jessie to Jessie Backport?
09:31<grove>MarcL: That's a bad idea. Add jessie-backports to your sources.list and upgrade the packages you need newer versions of
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09:32<petn-randall>MarcL: /query dpkg bdo
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09:32<MarcL>grove, seems I have it jet please look sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
09:32<MarcL>grove, sorry
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09:33<MarcL>look: https://paste.debian.net/906319/
09:33<grove>MarcL: That won't install anything from jessie backports
09:34<MarcL>grove, I saw from line 12 to 14 a backport commands. Then to make it work for all the software, how to do?
09:35<grove>As said that is a bad idea, and so bad that I won't tell you how.
09:35<petn-randall>MarcL: Did you query dpkg for 'bdo' yet? It's all explained there.
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09:37<MarcL>petn-randall, I am doing now
09:38<jim>MarcL, (continuing from before) to bring your jessie uptodate (which you should do before upgrading to testing) run: apt-get dist-upgrade -without- changing your sources.list
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09:39<jim>(whether such an upgrade to testing will work, depends on the current state of testing)
09:40<MarcL>jim, maybe will be better to bring all the system to Jessie backport version instead of Testing
09:40<jim>so, you're thinking of installing all the backports
09:40<petn-randall>!sns
09:40<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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09:41<MarcL>jim, yes
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09:41<MarcL>petn-randall, hahahah cool
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09:43<jim>anyway my addition to the bug report (which I don't know wheter it got to the bug db): http://termbin.com/jcya
09:44<cruncher>jim, now that we spoke about, i had already to fix it
09:44<cruncher>i will do some tests and upload the patch
09:45<jim>oh, you fixed it? cool :) that was ultimately my purpose in bringing it up here :)
09:45<cruncher>jim _D
09:45<cruncher>thats not how it works...
09:45<jim>did this time :P
09:45<cruncher>true ;-)
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09:49<jim>cruncher and *, anyway thanks a lot
09:49<cruncher>jim, i see it would be a temporary fix anyway, as the/a programmer made already a note to change the find method
09:50<jim>yeah I saw that
09:50<jim>that's why I stopped when I got to locating those lines
09:51<cruncher>maybe i'll file the "fix" i have now, or even implement the "right" find method.. for now i have to go to do something else
09:51<jim>(and I posted the termbin link to the bug report here because I'm not sure my email got to the bug db)
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09:52<jim>you're not somehow associated with Draper, are you?
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09:55<jim>(Draper being AKA cap'n crunch)
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10:04<cruncher>jim, if you mean me, i dont knwo whats that, so no, im not
10:04<cruncher>isn't cpt. crunch some sort of cereals? :)
10:05<cruncher>but its getting oddtopic here... ;-)
10:05<cruncher>*offtopic, but also oddtopic, yeah :D
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10:06<icebrain>cruncher: he's the guy who discovered you could make free calls with a cereals' whistle
10:06<icebrain>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Draper#Phreaking
10:10<cruncher>ah...no, i was never a phreaker ;-)
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10:31<cruncher>jim, ok, fixed and tested, even implemented the fix in the comment.. so easy, its not even worth mentioning
10:31<cruncher>i'll upload it later
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10:43<jim>cruncher, great :) (no, you couldn't be crunch, you're actually reasonable)
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11:48<MarcL>I did not find any way to upgrade automatically all jessie to jessie backport. instructions here says to add this line: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main and I have it yet, then says to give this command: apt-get -t jessie-backports install "package" but again is just for a specific package not all the system. theres a way to update all to backport?
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11:49<mtn>MarcL: you don't want to do that . that is not what backports is for
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11:51<MarcL>mtn, i understand, so the only way to upgrade all the Jessie system and packages to the next level is to have debian testing?
11:52<mtn>MarcL: define "next level"
11:53<MarcL>mtn, newest packages about gnome environment, appilications, new functions etcetera
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11:53<MarcL>but with a stable enough system
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11:54<mtn>MarcL: even testing does not have all of the newest packages. you should read up on what stable, testing and unstable mean
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11:54<mtn>MarcL: if you want stable system, run stable and only use the backports you actually need
11:54<MarcL>mtn, yes I know them, testing is similar to the ubuntu distibutions
11:54<mtn>MarcL: no, it is not
11:55<MarcL>mtn, packages new like it, ubuntu come from debian testing
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11:57<MarcL>mtn, than canonical add and modify them but the packages should be new enough like debian testing
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12:15<likcoras>How can I prevent wicd from touching /etc/resolv.conf at all? I've set it up to connect to a vpn as soon as the network goes up, and sometimes, even though I set it to use global dns, it writes dns stuff gotten from the local network.
12:16<likcoras>I've tried chattr +i, but doing that prevents wicd from running the start-up scripts, where it connects to the vpn.
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12:17<somiaj>likcoras: maybe install resolvconf or openresolv
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12:18<likcoras>wicd doesn't use either of those though, as far as I could tell.
12:18<likcoras>I mean, I'm not too familiar with them, does it prevent other applications from writing to /etc/resolv.conf?
12:19<somiaj>those progams both manage /etc/resolv.conf, either will manage that file and keep wicd from setting thigns in it
12:19<somiaj>you will have to configure it to use your own custom settings in /etc/resolv.conf and tell it to keep them.
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12:20<somiaj>resovlconf is the traditional program, openresolv if a newer alternative
12:20<likcoras>Huh... but it doesn't stop other programs from just writing their stuff to /etc/resolv.conf, though, does it? I'm assuming that wicd does that, since the last time I tried to set up openresolv it was completely ignored by wicd.
12:21<namosca1>Hi. My Laptop running Debian 8.6 freezes sometimes, and I can only hard-reset it. This didnt hapen with Lubuntu 16.10. Is there any log file or anything else that can help me to detect the root cause of the problem?
12:21<somiaj>likcoras: it turns /etc/resolv.conf into a link and the file manages it. wicd and other programs should tell that program to change the resolv.conf file and can be set to ignore wicd
12:21<somiaj>likcoras: that program manages that file so things like wicd or other programs dont' overwrite it.
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12:22<somiaj>namosca1: are you running a desktop when it hard locks up?
12:22<namosca1>yes
12:22<likcoras>Huh, I see. I guess I'll try to actually try to set it up properly once more.
12:22<likcoras>Thanks, somiaj. Hopefully this works.
12:22<namosca1>somiaj: sometimes its when watching youtube, sometimes its when using emacs... I dont see nothing common between the occurences
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12:22<somiaj>namosca1: are you sure your machine is locking up and not just xorg. Do you have another machien and run ssh server.
12:23<somiaj>namosca1: yea, I know. Those programs do what you want. They just may need to be configured.
12:23<namosca1>somiaj: No, I am not sure.... how could I test using only one machine?
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12:24<namosca1>somiaj: I have a spare tablet I could use if necessary
12:24<somiaj>namosca1: that is hard, if it is just xorg, and xorg crashes and takes monintor/keyboard with it, you need a second machien and an ssh server to ssh into it.
12:24<somiaj>namosca1: that works, they have ssh clients you could put on it.
12:24<namosca1>somiaj: Can you pass me a link on how to use this ssh to debug it?
12:24<somiaj>namosca1: so what you need to do is set up an ssh server (apt-get install ssh) and set up your tablet to be able to ssh into your machine.
12:25<somiaj>namosca1: when the machine crashes, try to ssh into it with your tablet, if you can sssh into it with your tablet sucessfuly it is only xorg crashing. You can reboot from ssh and also check /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old or something like that to see if you can find any logs why xorg if crashing
12:25<somiaj>namosca1: if ssh doens't work, the kernel is crashing.
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12:26<doctor>so I have this little wierd problem... my computer works fine... but every so often I have to reboot it, kodi or something else kind of locks up the unit and I have to reboot. Sometimes I can login and issue a reboot command, other times I have to power off the unit... doesnt matter, but everytime I get a recovery boot mode, even if there is nothing wrong with the machine and i just reboot it. I litterly
12:27<doctor>have to power off the machine and then select advance boot from the menu and select the default mode... whats going on here?
12:27<somiaj>namosca1: you can also poke around your logs too, but I would determine if it is xorg crashing or the kernel. This helps.
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12:27<namosca1>somiaj: I am looking at Xorg.0.log to see
12:27<somiaj>doctor: what do you mean 'sometimes you can login'
12:28<somiaj>namosca1: look at the old one, since the Xorg.0.log file is from your current session, the old log will be from the previous session that crashed. Also look at the bottom of the file
12:28<doctor>via network connection somiaj
12:28<somiaj>doctor: so via ssh?
12:28<doctor>somiaj: yeah
12:28<doctor>its a intel i915 and drm mod running on so its a bit buggy
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12:29<somiaj>doctor: hmm, this is strange, so only on some crashes does the kernel keep running and others take down the machine? You hsould look at your logx like I'm suggestion to namosca1 /var/log/Xorg.0.log and maybe dmesg when you log in and see if you can find any errors.
12:29<doctor>sometimes i can connect other times it just wont
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12:29<somiaj>doctor: what intel card do you have? What kernel are you running?
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12:30<doctor>somiaj: Intel Gm495 (i915 mod) and kernel is stock debian jessie release... video card and drm is now on a backport upgrade
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12:31<doctor>i know its sucky hardware, but its the best i got for now
12:31<doctor>lol
12:31<somiaj>doctor: so you have the default kernel but upgraded the intel driver (xserver-xorg-video-intel) to the version from jessie-backports?
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12:31<doctor>somiaj: yup
12:31<namosca>somiaj: I dont see anything weird in the end of my Xorg.0.log.load. I will read about how to connect via ssh
12:32<somiaj>doctor: try upgrading the kernel to the version from jessie-backports as well.
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12:32<somiaj>doctor: it could be you just need a newer drm module.
12:33<somiaj>namosca: install the ssh package, then you can 'ssh <your ip>' and use your username/password to login.
12:33<somiaj>namosca: on your tablet, install something like connectbot to ssh to the machine with your username/pass
12:33<doctor>somiaj: well it boots normally if i issue either a 'default' var or as said before hard reset and select default mode from grub...
12:33<somiaj>doctor: well if the drm module is crashing, maybe a newer version will help.
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12:34<doctor>somiaj: its like if you pull the plug out on a windows computer and it wants to run safemode the next time you boot it up, only in this case it want to do it every time I reboot, even if I tell the computer to reboot
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12:35<doctor>somiaj: intel driver and drm are already buggy and not to worry about trying to fix that, just want my computer to stop 'auto' booting into recovery mode everytime i reboot
12:35<doctor>lol
12:36<doctor>i have the intel and drm working for now and i can fix those problems later
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12:38<doctor>i did check out dmesg and logs and i dont see any faults or problems loading modules, etc... pretty much sure the 'small' issue such as crashing and lock ups is just because of a buggy driver, but the reboot thing is getting a little annoying.
12:38<somiaj>unsure why it is booting in recvery mode, the few times my machine has crashed, it booted normally (not recovery mode) and just runs fsck druing the boot.
12:38<doctor>hum...
12:38<somiaj>but one thing you coudl check is install the 4.8 kernel from jessie-backports and see if the newer module is less buggy on your card.
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12:39<doctor>maybe thats why... the drive is a ssd drive... maybe it got corrupted somehow
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12:40<doctor>i should see that in the logs or dmesg though shouldnt i?
12:40<doctor>a failed or warning fsck?
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12:41<doctor>even on the recovery mod output on startup?
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12:43<doctor>yeah i just download a live usb verison just before xmas directly from the site and have been playing with it since..
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12:43<doctor>runs a lot better for the most part then a default fedora install!
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12:46<doctor>was having issues with the video... vlc and flash freezing img on screen and locking up x-org, having to reboot x-org a lot. I downloaded kodi and tried it, couldnt get it work past the menu screen for just a few seconds... so i started looking into that problem... fixed it by upgrading to backports for the video and found it also fixed my video issues with flash and vlc!
12:47<doctor>Its running on a HP-G60-230US Laptop... Has 4 GB ram and replaced HDD for a 120GB SSD drive... works pretty damn fast really for how old the computer is itself
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12:57<namosca>somiaj: Ok, I have configured ssh from my laptop and also mobile and test it. Next time it crashes I will see how it goes :)
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13:03<namosca>somiaj: You said I "can reboot from ssh and also check /var/log/". You mean I can read the log from ssh and restart x?
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13:14<namosca>somiaj: restart x from sh
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13:19<somiaj>namosca: yes, once you log in via ssh, you have a full terminal and can run any cli command.
13:20<namosca>somiaj: wow, thats cool!! The ssh client I found in my mobile is quite limited and didnt respond to me trying to execute commands, so i think i have to find a different one... but the idea is nice
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13:37<Dienonymous>saludos familia un bot que extraiga energia del cosmos y de energia free y a su ves navegue por la energia independiente mente GUS.aNON
13:38<bremner>!es
13:38<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
13:39<bremner>apologies if that's really Portuguese
13:39<Dienonymous>thanks
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14:06<doctor>ok what the hell, second time now, i try to update kernel to a backport and it breaks my system completely... cant even boot back into prev stable release... goes straight to recover mode every time
14:06<doctor>what am i missing
14:07<namosca>doctor Funny, I never had this problem. The first thing I did after installing was updating, so it could be that I didnt hit anything that depended on the old kernel
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14:08<namosca>doctor WHen I tried to install virtual box it didnt work until I also got the virtual box from backport (it needs the kernel headers), so it could be that your apps using the old kernel didnt get updated. But I am no specialist, I am just thinking loud
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14:09<doctor>whats the cmd to start my eth0
14:10<doctor>man i am mad... grr i just finished getting it all setup... again!
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14:12<doctor>is there anyway i can get a 'backport' install image?
14:13<doctor>i assume a 'unstable' release is what its called?
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14:14<blast007>stable backports come from testing, not unstable
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14:16<namosca1>Hi. My Laptop running Debian 8.6 freezes sometimes, and I can only hard-reset it. This didnt hapen with Lubuntu 16.10. I think its not because of X, because if it was I would be able to connect to my computer remotely via ssh, but when it happens, ssh wont find a connection. Is there any log file or anything else that can help me to detect the root cause of the problem?
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14:17<namosca1>File Xorg.0.log.old also shows nothing weird
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14:21<blast007>namosca: is this on the system with the backport kernel?
14:22<namosca>blast007: Yes, but once I had a system with pure testing and it was hanging too. and if I remember well, I had a system with pure Stable, and it was hanging too
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14:27<namosca>blast007: Correction: It was hanging with pure testing, but I didnt run enough of stable to experience any hangs
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14:30<jhutchins>doctor: That sounds like a disk problem
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14:31<jhutchins>doctor: No, there is no installer that pulls from backports.
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14:54<cruncher>namosca, nobody asked you yet.. did you try ctrl+alt+f1 when it froze?
14:54<namosca>cruncher: No. What is it supposed to do?
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14:55<cruncher>namosca, simply, it switches from X to terminal
14:55<doctor>well neither the backport or the prev config boot now the i update the kernel to 4.8 I just followed the intructions and it wont get past recovery mode anymore..
14:56<cruncher>then you could login, a do things, well the same like with ssh, but we would know a bit more
14:56<namosca>cruncher: Somebody told me something similar: that if the problem is only X, ssh would still work and I could connect to my laptop via ssh (from my mobile for instance). But when the hang happenned, I couldnt use ssh... so the problem isnt X, right?
14:57<cruncher>namosca, can't say from here... it may even be you don't have ssh installed, started, network issue, whatever.. with the ctrl+ylt+f1 you'd know more
14:57<doctor>and no, its not a disk problem... system was booting just fine, until i try to update the kernel to a backport
14:57<namosca>cruncher:right now I dont see how it will work better than the ssh trick, but I will write it down to test next time
14:57<cruncher>namosca, watch videos, click around, get the error back! :D
14:57<namosca>cruncher: I have ssh and I tested it.. but i will try
14:58<namosca>cruncher: It doesnt happen only with videos. Once it happenned with emacs... it might time some days until it happens again. today it happened twice, but somtimes it takes some days
14:59<cruncher>ah, well, so remember the keys, and if it happens, check if you can login through there, or if the keys dont react either
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14:59<namosca>cruncher: I sticked the keys in a note in my laptop :)
15:00<namosca>cruncher: actually i will just test it now.. i will probably lose myconnection :)
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15:00<cruncher>namosca, no, just press ctrl+alt+f7 to come back
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15:01<cruncher>i wonder what he did to lose connection after going to tty1
15:01<blast007>doctor: why are you needing the backports kernel?
15:02<blast007>cruncher: probably didn't read your message about how to get back and just rebooted his system
15:02<zykotick9>cruncher: fyi, it's just alt+f7 to get back... ctrl only required when in xorg. also alt+arrow-keys is handy.
15:02<cruncher>blast007, you are right, that's the most probable thing
15:02<cruncher>zykotick9, true
15:02<cruncher>as i typed it fast, didnt think about it, just wanted him to get the message fast
15:03<doctor>blast007 buggy intel and drm driver... already install backport for drivers, but someone suggest it might also need the kernel as well
15:04<zykotick9>cruncher: well, ctrl+alt+fX always works... so probably better to give as a direction anyways ;)
15:04<cruncher>yeah, probably less confusing for him
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15:07<cruncher>namosca, you didnt get my last message obviosuly :)
15:07<namosca>cfu
15:07<namosca>cruncher: well i heard it from terminal
15:07<namosca>hahah
15:08<namosca>funny
15:08<cruncher>what is cfu
15:08<namosca>its a way of mistyping your name :)
15:08<cruncher>lol
15:08<namosca>i wanted to press cru tab
15:08<namosca>i will try your trick again
15:08<cruncher>ok, ctrl+alt+f7 was to go back
15:08<cruncher>but the console is somethign so important, you shoudl read about it https://wiki.debian.org/Console
15:09<cruncher>its nto a trick
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15:09<cruncher>in this case, its just to know it if the whole machine is frozen, or just X
15:09<xmaka>cruncher, 'nto' = not?
15:09<namosca>"trick" is a magic due to the "wow" effect in the beginner yes, but a routine task for those who do it routinely
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15:10<cruncher>s/nto/not/.. yes ;)
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15:10<xmaka>k
15:10<cruncher>xmaka, does nto have another meaning to be (easily) mistaken? :)
15:10<xmaka>cruncher, that was my question, too ;D
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15:11<cruncher>:D
15:11<namosca>actually my Debian is giving me more headache than Ubuntu, but somehow I like it... i feel I am learning a lot
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15:11<namosca>Now I am on holidays, so I have time
15:11<xmaka>nice!
15:11<cruncher>namosca, do you have only that 1 machine?
15:11<namosca>yes
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15:12<zykotick9>namosca: are you running testing/sid?
15:12<namosca>Next year I will study CS on top of my normal job, so I dont want this happening while programming for the classes.. maybe then I will have to dual boot ubuntu and debian
15:12<cruncher>namosca, now that ot works and you have time, you could go even there, to install a console irc client, in case it freezes again, and the console should be available, so you could connect to the channel..
15:12<cruncher>just an idea
15:12<namosca>zykotick9: I am running 8.6 Stable with the newest kernel backport, but when I was running testing I was having the same problem
15:13<cruncher>*it works
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15:13<namosca>cruncher: Thats what I wished! DO you know a user friendly console irc?
15:13<cruncher>namosca, also, the first step i would do on such freezes, just to "know", is a memory check
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15:14<zykotick9>namosca: ummm... well, enjoy debian! i'm _very_ surprised you'd have mare issues with stable vs ubuntu... but i'm assuming you must have new hardware is you need a new kernel... so... i guess i can see it...
15:14<namosca>cruncher: I was running memtest86+ as a test, but I dont knw how to interpret the result... it run for 1 hour, then everything was as pass, told me to press esc and I did ,but no response... so i am not sure what that means
15:14<cruncher>i think that question should be answered by someone else, as i dont use console irc lcients (like irssi)
15:14<cruncher>namosca, memtest86+ is perfect, just let it through to 100%, then at the bottom will be "test passed" or similar
15:14<namosca>zykotick9: its actually no new hardware. its a cheap laptop from asus I bought 2 years ago to learn programming with Intel Atom N2940
15:14*zykotick9 uses irssi running in a tmux session...
15:14<cruncher>namosca, if you get red lines on the top right, its bad
15:15<cruncher>thats the simple explanation :)
15:15<namosca>cruncher: It asks if I want to force SMP or run fail safe... should I do it or just let it run normally?
15:15<cruncher>na, just leave the default, dont touch it until 100%
15:16<cruncher>and if it freezes in the middle somewhere, well, then you know
15:16<namosca>cruncher: Last time I let it run for almost 2 hours for my 2GB ram and it wasnt near the end... is it supposed to take so long? I lost patience, because I didnt know if my settings were right anyway
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15:17<cruncher>yeah, if you say its quite old, then yes, could coem to 2h
15:17<cruncher>all depends ont he HW
15:17<cruncher>but its a imo necessary step in your case
15:17<cruncher>just to be sure
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15:18<namosca_irssi>testing from irssi
15:18<cruncher>namosca, as zykotick9 mentioned, and i know others (most people?) use irssi too, i guess thats a good example
15:18<cruncher>ah
15:18<cruncher>:)
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15:18<namosca_irssi>Its easier than irc from emacs!
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15:18<namosca_irssi>namosca: how are you?
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15:19<zykotick9>^ talking to yourself?
15:19<namosca>testing
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15:22<namosca>this oftc server always says i am not on the access list of my nick name, even though I registered it.. when i send msg nick identify with password he says the password is wrong. Then I reset it, and it still wont accept... what is that?
15:23<jim>namosca, do you know your password?
15:23<namosca>jim: of course
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15:24<jim>oh, then you probably also know to auth, you would /msg nickserv identify (put passwd here)
15:25<jim>it may be that nick now has your passwd
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15:25<ap4lmtree>hi, i am trying to do sudo iptables-save > /etc/iptables/rules.v4 , but i get a permission denied error, do any of you know how to output something after a >
15:25<namosca>jim: WHen I do the nickserv identify, I get: Identify failed as namosca. You may have entered an incorrect password.
15:26<jim>hmm, oh ok, I guess it could be someone bruteforced it?
15:26<blast007>namosca: you might try asking on #oftc
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15:26*zykotick9 notes, but does NOT know it by heart - that there is a better way to add passwords with irssi then using nickserv commands! it's when you add the server "i think..." you can add a password?!?
15:26<namosca>blast007: thanks
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15:27<namosca>zykotick9: Actually I use Pidgin and my password is automatic there. It works for all servers but OFTC
15:28<zykotick9>pidgin... lol... i'd suggest getting an irc-client if you do a lot of ircing... but ymmv?
15:28<cruncher>now he has irssi ,-)
15:28<jhutchins>namosca: irssi auto-identifies on oftc for me.
15:29<namosca>zykotick9: I tried hexchat, but managing the widows was too unpleasant.
15:29*xmaka starts the holy war with the next line
15:29<xmaka>use weechat
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15:30<cruncher>i suggest we all stay calm...
15:30*zykotick9 notes weechat _is_ good! and he *really* likes the real-time spell checking in weechat... but... keeps returning to irssi for some reason
15:30<cruncher>:D
15:30<namosca>sudo apt-get install has no ymmv :)
15:30<cruncher>oh, i could use that, my keyboard isn't reacting well anymore to the speed of my typing :p
15:31<zykotick9>namosca: lol ... that's my IRC-QOTD "quote of the day" ;)
15:31<jhutchins>zykotick9: Server passwords only work on some networks.
15:32<zykotick9>jhutchins: i don't have proper ssl setup on ONE of the three networks i join :( i'm certain "network" very a lot! <- from experience ;)
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15:34*zykotick9 recently did stop loading the OTR and XMPP plugins <from debian stable repo> for irssi... due to non-use :|
15:34<namosca>oh, weechat is console stuff... i think i will skip it :)
15:34<xmaka>xD
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15:35<zykotick9>"console stuff" <- hey, if i can't run it in tmux what use is it? ;)
15:35<xmaka>zykotick9, i like
15:35<cruncher>didn't he just install irssi?
15:35<namosca>zykotick9: I am just a home user guy and I ditched windows 3 months ago.. dont expect too much from me:
15:35<namosca>cruncher: Yes I did, but I keep testing around
15:35<cruncher>windows 3? :D
15:36<cruncher>why you test so old stuff?
15:36<mormon420>i'm on stretch and emoji aren't displaying properly over ssh as of recently; they seem to be counted as double-width characters but they only display single-width. could this be due to a recent update of glibc? i'v seen some articles about older glibc versions displaying emoji differently
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15:36<cruncher>just joking...:)
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15:36<cruncher>mormon420, for stretch #debian-next
15:36<mormon420>oh sorry
15:36<namosca>I use Linux/unix at work, but its just to connect to the super computer of the company to perform mechanical simulations. i am not a power user o cli guy
15:37<zykotick9>namosca: ;) best of luck with debian! i'm ONLY joking with ya! it took me YEARS and YEARS to go from my M.C.S.E. NT 4.0 to my no-microsoft-since-pre-xp-sp1 self of today ;)
15:37<jhutchins>mormon420: We support it here too, but they have more specific knowledge there. What app?
15:37<zykotick9>namosca: but i'm also "just a home user" :)
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15:37<mormon420>jhutchins it's just in general. i'm using debian on a vps with KiTTY to ssh in on windows
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15:37<mormon420>havent had a display issue until like a week or two ago
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15:38<mormon420>happens in weechat, bash, pretty much wherever
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15:39*zykotick9 note he's so "out of the windows loop" the ONLY ssh client he knew of was putty....
15:39<jhutchins>mormon420: I would expect emoji to be graphical, not textural. Woudn't expect them to work over ssh, but if you're coming from windows your display and fonts are windows, not linux.
15:39<mormon420>kitty is just a putty fork :p and i tried updating kitty to see if that fixed it, no avail
15:40<somiaj>oh it is a cross post.
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15:41<cruncher>mormon420, so you are using windows and kitty?
15:41<mormon420>yes
15:41<mormon420>i'd try sshing in from my linux desktop but that's offline for the forseeable future
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15:42<mormon420>i have libc6 2.24-8 it seems
15:42<cruncher>mormon420, although windows is not suprted here, and i dont know kitty, i can just tell you to try putty, and set to utf16 to see if it is really the character transmission
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15:43<jhutchins>mormon420: Why would you expect graphics to work in a text console?
15:43<cruncher>i think he means those cute (text) smileys
15:43<mormon420>i don't? emoji is text
15:43<cruncher>nto actually graphic smielys
15:43<mejo>Hi, how do I resize a logical partition the proper way? I installed Debian Stretch with 'guided partitioning - encrypted LVM' and now I fail to delete+recreate the logical partition that holds the LVM PV. It doesn't work as both parted and fdisk tell me that the start sequence of the original logical partition is not valid when I try to create a new one with the same start sequence.
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15:44<mejo>the start sequence of the original (deleted) logical partition (sda5) is below the lowest possible value when I try to recreate it.
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15:49<jhutchins>mejo: You don't resize the logical partition.
15:49<mejo>jhutchins: I guess I have to :(
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15:50<mejo>my problem is as follows: I need to enlarge the rootfs of a virtual machine (Xen).
15:50<jhutchins>mejo: Sorry, what I meant was the extended partition.
15:51<mejo>the Xen VMs are stored in LVM logical volumes. For this VM, it's /dev/vgxen/vg-test
15:51<mejo>and /dev/vgxen/vg-test holds a partition table with part1 being /boot, part2 being extended, part5 being logical.
15:51<jhutchins>mejo: I thought you manipulated LVs with LVM tools, not partitioning tools.
15:52<jhutchins>(Hence my confusion)
15:52<mejo>I see
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15:52<jhutchins>mejo: http://www.tecmint.com/extend-and-reduce-lvms-in-linux/
15:52<mejo>I resized the LV that contains the whole VM. Now I need to resize part5 of the VM.
15:53<jhutchins>mejo: Too many layers for me.
15:53<jhutchins>mejo: Maybe build a new VM with the proper sizes and transfer data?
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15:54<mejo>jhutchins: yeah, too many layers for me too :)
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15:54<jhutchins>mejo: Seems like if your virtual disk is on a resized LV, your next step is to resize the disk.
15:55<mejo>jhutchins: exactly. and that's where I fail.
15:55<jhutchins>mejo: Then resize the partion(s), then resize the PV, then the LV, then the filesystem.
15:55<mejo>I added the partitions with 'kpartx -a /dev/vgxen/vg-test'
15:56<mejo>then I tried to resize the partition with 'fdisk /dev/vgxen/vm-test' and 'parted /dev/vgxen/vm-test'.
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15:56<mejo>jhutchins: how do I resize the disk? what do you mean by that? isn't the LV the disk?
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15:58<jhutchins>mejo: Well, in VMware I would resize the disk in VSphere (where you manage VM configuration).
15:59<mejo>ah, I believe that's not needed with LVM and Xen.
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15:59<jhutchins>Ok. Well, you've lost me, I'm going to stop confusing the issue.
15:59<mejo>no worries, thanks anyway :)
16:00<mejo>trying to copy the data over to a new LV now and see whether I can boot that one.
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16:17<mejo>ok, finally that worked. Still wondering how to resize a logical partition though. Should be possible.
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16:19<cruncher>mejo, of course it's possible...
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16:19<cruncher>if you want to shrink, go inside out (first the fs, then the partition)
16:20<doctor>well just reinstalled the jessis image... on a plus note i had a cpu lying around that was slightly better then on the on in the laptop so i upgraded it
16:20<cruncher>with lv the same
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16:24<mejo>cruncher: I don't want to shrink, I want to enlarge.
16:24<cruncher>well ,then reverse
16:25<cruncher>i believe gparted can resize partitions, even logical ones
16:25<mejo>And as written, the problem with enlarging the logical volume is, that both parted and fdisk don't allow to recreate the logical partition with the same start sequence.
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16:25<mejo>cruncher: usually the way to resize a partition is to delete and recreate it. but you have to make sure that you use the same start sequence. this is what fails in my case.
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16:26<cruncher>mejo, well, thats not "resizing" per se, thats definetely recreating
16:26<cruncher>but i know what you mean
16:26<cruncher>could you show the errors? output of fdisk -l?
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16:27<jim>do you mean logical volume (as in part of LVM) or logical partition (whose storage comes from an 'extemded' partition)?
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16:27<mejo>jim: I mean logical partition
16:28<mejo>wait, I'll share the error. just have to reproduce.
16:29<kongbong>I am running a headless server on one of my machines. Is there a way to stop the "screensaver" from making my screen go blank?
16:30<doctor>for anyone that is interested... a HP-G60 (230US) laptop cpu is upgradeable...
16:30<somiaj>kongbong: why does it matter if it goes blank since the server is headless?
16:30<doctor>ie the cpu can be removed, unlike some mobos
16:30<somiaj>kongbong: are you talking about an actual screen saver, xorg blanking or console blanking?
16:31<doctor>just replaced a 2GH duo 1m cache for a 2.4GH 3mb cache :)
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16:32<kongbong>The CRT I have turns off. There is no x installed on that machine. Just like to be able to glance over and see everything is ok somiaj
16:32<somiaj>kongbong: okay this is just standard linux console blanking.
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16:32<somiaj>kongbong: http://askubuntu.com/questions/138918/how-do-i-disable-the-blank-console-screensaver-on-ubuntu-server -- this may work
16:32<kongbong>somiaj, yeah one way to do this is consoleblank=0
16:32<mejo>cruncher: here you go: https://paste.debian.net/906408/
16:32<somiaj>kongbong: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/8056/disable-screen-blanking-on-text-console or this
16:32<kongbong>somiaj, but I would have to reboot my computer
16:33<mejo>cruncher: would be great to find a solution for that :)
16:33<mejo>probably it's because of the fdisk warning 'Partition 3 does not start on physical sector boundary.'.
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16:33<mejo>but as written above, the partition layout was automatically created by the debian-installer (using guided - encrypted LVM)
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16:36<cruncher>mejo, yes, thats the reason
16:36<cruncher>when did you installt hat?
16:37<mejo>a few months ago. using the jessie installer.
16:37<mejo>cruncher: so any reason to resize that partition?
16:37<mejo>s/reason/chance/
16:38<cruncher>mejo, i would recommand against doing so... is it a normal hd? ssd?
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16:39<cruncher>i mean, recommend using the same "wrong" boundary
16:39<mejo>cruncher: it's on a HDD.
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16:40<mejo>to be more precise, it's on a RAID10 (hardware raid) on SAS HDDs.
16:40<cruncher>why you dont trust fdisk and allow it to use the right boundary? what reason you have to use the same sector?
16:40<cruncher>for curiosity
16:40<cruncher>depending ont he hd, you will get even more speed
16:41<mejo>cruncher: probably I could trust fdisk? It's just that I fear to cut off data from the original logical partition.
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16:41<cruncher>i guess with the c flag in fdisk, you could set manually the sector you wish, but as i said, not recommendable
16:41<cruncher>cut off data? you are creating the new partition later, so if, there are just some sectors free
16:42<cruncher>and i see you have 4096 byte phys sector.. you really should have aligned start sector
16:43<cruncher>i would just take the first available sector fdisk recommends/allows, and go on from there
16:44<mejo>cruncher: if the partition had start sector 501760 before and now I recreate it with start sector 503808, there's 2048 sectors lost from the beginning of the original partition, no?
16:44<cruncher>lost from the SIZE of the previous partition. not data
16:44<cruncher>since it is empty, right?
16:45<mejo>nope, it's not
16:45<cruncher>you are recreating the partition to copy data later into it
16:45<cruncher>if there is still data inside, why recreate?
16:45<mejo>what I try to do is enlarging an existant partition
16:46<cruncher>true, you wanted to enlarge
16:46<cruncher>try the c parameter of fdisk
16:47<mejo>ok, thanks a lot
16:47<cruncher>otherwise, much more advanced and therefore dangerous, you could still edit the parition length directly into the mbr, or use some advnaced editor
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16:47<cruncher>but, i REALLY recommend you to recreate it as fdisk says (of course backup the data first),
16:47<cruncher>you will gain a lot of speed aligning the start sector with 4096byte sectors your HD supprots
16:48<cruncher>ok, "gain" is wrong, you wont loose speed due to misalignment
16:49<cruncher>i believe it was version fdisk 2.17 that started to align automatically
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16:50<mejo>ok, thanks a lot
16:50<cruncher>you are welcome
16:51<mejo>cruncher: just tried the c option of fdisk, unfortunately it doesn't help
16:52<mejo>still the sam 'Value out of range.' error
16:52<cruncher>mejo, maybe it was created with the cylinder option (also deprecated)
16:52<cruncher>try p
16:52<cruncher>sorr,y u
16:52<cruncher>then p :)
16:53<mejo>ha, I've another idea.
16:53<mejo>maybe I need to remove and recreate both the logical and the extended partition?
16:54<cruncher>if the par2 (ext) would be created earlier, so there was at elast 2048 sectors after that to start par5 in the right spot, then it might work
16:54<cruncher>and since there is some space between par+par2, it might work
16:54<cruncher>but i think its too tight
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16:55<mejo>but all I have to take care of is that par5 starts at the same sector, right?
16:55<cruncher>mejo, another idea, if you can afford it, shrink par1 a bit so it fits
16:55<cruncher>mejo, basically yes, if you really inisit on your solution (which i cannot stop to repeat)
16:55<cruncher>(...that i dont recommend it at all)
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16:56<mejo>cruncher: removing par2+par5 and recreating with default fdisk values turned out to work.
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16:57<mejo>actually recreating extended par2 with start sector 499712 leads to logical par5 being created with start sector 501760 by default.
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16:57<mejo>so that way I even don't have to go against fdisks advice.
16:57<cruncher>so maybe the error was just creating the extended one, for some r eason
16:57<cruncher>perfect
16:58<mejo>I only wonder why debian-installer does create such a strange partition table.
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16:58<cruncher>"did" would be more accurate
16:59<mejo>true :D
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17:05<mejo>cruncher: anyway, thanks a lot for your valuable help!
17:05<mejo>I'll go to sleep now. c u
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17:05<cruncher>mejo, no problem, gn
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19:15<RustyS>Low priority question but does anyone know roughly when stretch will be "released" by? I am planning the construction of a server around it's release.
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19:17<themill>!stretch pool 1
19:17<dpkg>! bæbīlen=2017-05-06 TomTomTosch=2017-08-08 greycat=2017-08-15 jellÿ=2017-03-17 themíll=2017-05-01
19:17<themill>I history will prove me overly optimistic (then again, I wrote that when the freeze was going to be in November not February)
19:18<themill>+think
19:18<cruncher>how to play in that pool?
19:18<blarson_>RustyS: when it's ready
19:18<themill>dpkg: tell cruncher about stretch bet
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19:21<cruncher>thanks
19:22<cruncher>RustyS, dont take any of our "guesses" as facts nro indications...
19:22<cruncher>!stretch pool 1
19:22<dpkg>! cruncher=2017-02-18 bæbīlen=2017-05-06 TomTomTosch=2017-08-08 greycat=2017-08-15 jellÿ=2017-03-17 themíll=2017-05-01
19:22<cruncher>:D
19:22<cruncher>*nor
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20:53<fgdgf>hello
20:53<AlexLikeRock>HI fgdgf
20:53<fgdgf>i have one question
20:53<fgdgf>i want to use debian
20:53<fgdgf>from software I need eclipse
20:53<fgdgf>pycharm
20:54<fgdgf>python
20:54<AlexLikeRock>eclipse, are avalible
20:54<AlexLikeRock>python are avalible
20:54<fgdgf>which desktop enviroment you can suggest to me
20:54<fgdgf>to be light
20:54<fgdgf>and all of this can work
20:55<fgdgf>i searched on google
20:55<AlexLikeRock>light desktops : MATE, LDXE , openbox , XFCE4
20:55<fgdgf>and there is a lot of suggestion
20:55<AlexLikeRock>the best way , are install all desktops, and test by your self
20:55<fgdgf>cool
20:55<fgdgf>i am using ubuntu
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20:56<fgdgf>i want to try debian
20:56<AlexLikeRock>debian its cool
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20:56<AlexLikeRock>"exept by systemD"
20:56<fgdgf>on live cd it seems that is faster than ubuntu on my pc
20:56<stefan_>hi
20:56<fgdgf>systemD
20:56<AlexLikeRock>to search pakages at debian fgdgf https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=python
20:57<fgdgf>that is story about two groups
20:57<fgdgf>init
20:57<fgdgf>and susyemD?
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20:57<AlexLikeRock> eclipse , pycharm , python
20:57<fgdgf>i suppose that comands in terminal are same like on ubuntu
20:57<AlexLikeRock>of course, debian its more faster thant ubuntu
20:57<fgdgf>or not?
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20:58<fgdgf>i tried debian xfce live cd
20:58<AlexLikeRock>but, not install Gnome or KDE , they are SLOW
20:58<sney>sysvinit was based on 1980s technology. it was replaced by systemd as the default init system in debian. some people have reported the system breaking because of this, and some people have conspiracy theories about it, but overall debian is very reliable and most users don't notice a difference
20:58<fgdgf>and i like it on first sight
20:59<sney>and yes terminal commands are almost identical between debian and ubuntu. (and similar with many other linux and unix systems)
20:59<fgdgf>great! :)
20:59<fgdgf>thanks for this info
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21:00<fgdgf>i am using ubuntu for two years
21:00<AlexLikeRock>im using debian for 7 years
21:00<fgdgf>and i want to try something different
21:00<AlexLikeRock>or 8
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21:00<AlexLikeRock>i dont remember :-P
21:00<fgdgf>i need a new chaclenge
21:00<fgdgf>chalenge
21:00<AlexLikeRock>fgdgf, good luck
21:01<fgdgf>thanks :)
21:01<ryouma>sney: there is one systemd issue that keeps biting me. it sometimes hangs on boot or shutdown (i forgot which, maybe both) because of some disk. perhaps i can fix that with some fstab option that makes it skip whatever drive it has trouble with, but i'm not sure atm.
21:01<ryouma>i think systemd changed the default for whatever setting
21:01<fgdgf>one of the reasons why i want to change ubuntu
21:02<AlexLikeRock>ryouma, yes, systemD are changing everyting, because try to take ALL CONTROLL OF GNU/Linux
21:02<sney>ryouma: I've been untouched by any of the issues so far. the only time I've seen boot hangs due to a disk were a bad disk, but you've probably ruled that out, so I don't have anything for you, sorry
21:03<fgdgf>is because i don't like to see "love" between windows and linux
21:03<fgdgf>microsoft and canonical
21:03<sney>AlexLikeRock: fyi the ops here do not like it when people complain about systemd and lennart taking over or whatever, keep that in your social channels
21:03<fgdgf>i don't think that something like that is possible
21:04<AlexLikeRock>fgdgf, if you dont like SYSTEMD , try DEVUAN https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/
21:04<AlexLikeRock>i install at one machine, and work fine
21:04<AlexLikeRock>fgdgf,
21:04<ryouma>sney: yeah it isn't a bad disk, just some other issue. it keeps polling or somehting.
21:05<ryouma>as a user, i just want the init system to work
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21:07<fgdgf>AlexLikeRock, I will try Debian and I will decide after if I like SystemD or not
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21:09<fgdgf>but it is for sure that I will change ubuntu :D
21:09<AlexLikeRock>its your choice :- )
21:14<fgdgf>ok
21:14<fgdgf>good night to all
21:15<fgdgf>at my place it is 03:15 AM
21:15<fgdgf>I wish you all the best
21:16<RustyS>Man if stretch really wont be released for up to another 8 months I really need to rethink my plans.
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23:06<kratos>marco ...
23:06<kratos>Anyone have any success with Gitlab on 32-bit debian?
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