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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-01-05

---Logopened Thu Jan 05 00:00:48 2017
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02:21<joelkraehemann>hi all
02:22<joelkraehemann>howto disable the realtime priorities that JACK offers?
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02:22<joelkraehemann>I have enabled it and I want to disable it
02:23<joelkraehemann>during apt-get install
02:24<jm_>tried dpkg-reconfigure?
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02:44<joelkraehemann>yeah works
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02:46<peter1139>enjoy your xruns :)
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04:20<markvandenborre>is there a way to run docker from the debian repos on debian stretch in some way?
04:20<markvandenborre>I can't seem to find any docker packages on stretch?
04:21<markvandenborre>it seems like either jessie-backports or sid
04:21<markvandenborre>and nothing in between?
04:22<jm_>which package is that?
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04:23<markvandenborre>docker.io
04:26<jm_>https://tracker.debian.org/news/804615 why it was removed from testing
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04:27<peter1139>that doesn't realy explain, heh
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04:28<jm_>noticed the Hint line and the one below it?
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05:08<petn-randall>markvandenborre: Basically those bug reports are considered release-critical, and since they haven't been fixed, those packages and everything depending on it got removed.
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05:13<markvandenborre>petn-randall: thx, figured out so much
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05:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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06:06<juan19>Hi, I use Linux Debian and am about to buy a new computer. I'm looking to buy Dell XPS 13 'or Mackbook Pro (not touch bar). I'm not looking for price, I'm looking for the best hardware for use and configure with Debian. Your recommendations are grateful
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06:08<petn-randall>juan19: There are too many devices that work with Debian to count. Best you just do an internet search on "<device name> debian" and check for installation guides for that model. There you'll see if some things don't work or not.
06:08<petn-randall>juan19: Some wifi devices don't work, as well as very new graphics cards. That's the only issues I've ran into in the last years.
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06:09<duclicsic>considering that the XPS13 has a developer edition that ships with Ubuntu on it, I'd imagine Debian should work just fine with minimal fuss
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06:12<bremner>juan19: you may also consider a lattitude 7270, also ships with ubuntu, works with debian.
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06:13<bremner>has a better CPU than xps 13. Not sure about the screen.
06:19<bremner>fsvo better; faster, probably more power hungry. But I still get 8h or so on mine
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08:11<joelkraehemann>did you know GSequencer operates smoother with priority 45 than 95
08:11<joelkraehemann>but after some time doing nothing the performance collapses
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08:13<joelkraehemann>I do `schedtool -F -p 45 -e gsequencer` as root
08:14<joelkraehemann>How can I achieve above without root?
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08:27<peter1139>13:11 < joelkraehemann> did you know GSequencer operates smoother with priority 45 than 95
08:28<peter1139>that just means something else is interfering with gstreamer or gstreamer is interfering with something else
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09:18<tim__>I am installed AMD/ATI driver by official wiki, but after i reboot my system X fail to start.
09:18<tim__>(EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0)
09:18<tim__>I installed my system from Debian 8.6 live non-free ISO image.
09:18<tim__>My video-card ATI 5670, which is supported by proprietary AMD driver.
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09:22<tim__>I am installed AMD/ATI driver by official Debian wiki, but after i reboot my system X fail to start. http://paste.debian.net/906667
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09:26<randoom>what does your /etc/X11/xorg.conf say?
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09:27<babilen>Also "dkms status"
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09:28<babilen>And you shouldn't have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf but a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d according to https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Configuration
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09:29<tim__>indeed. i haven't /etc/X11/xorg.conf but i created manually file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d like described in wiki
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09:33<tim__>dkms status http://paste.debian.net/906670/
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09:36<randoom>did you try aticonfig --initial and a reboot before manually making config file?
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09:38<babilen>tim__: What does "uname -a" give you?
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09:38<babilen>And why do you have both ati and nvidia modules?
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09:39<tim__>@randoom, not yet. If i do that, how i should correctly restore previous standart mesa driver?
09:39<babilen>I wouldn't use any automatically generated xorg.conf
09:40<tim__>uname -a: Linux a1 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 (2016-10-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux
09:40<babilen>They are typically way too specific and define things that are not related to the GPU at all
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09:40<babilen>You did reboot though, didn't you?
09:40*babilen has to do some shopping now
09:41<tim__>@babilen, they was already included in ISO image https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.6.0-live+nonfree/
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09:41<Maria>I did the reboot after installing mariadb-server but still no change
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09:42<tim__>sure i did reboot. Then in terminal without X i remove this file to revert back changes /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf
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09:43<Maria>tosky lisandro: I searched for errmesg.sys in https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=stretch§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=errmsg.sys
09:44<randoom>Well, I guess his question is why you have both installed. Included != Installed
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09:44<Maria>Interesting: it seems only to exist in mysql and in amarok - so mariadb maybe doesn't use this filename, therefore the error?!
09:45<tim__>@randoom, they both installed automaticaly from this ISO
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09:46<Maria>oh no made an error and looked at the wrong part of the table..
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09:48<Maria>how can I find out which version of mysql/mariadb was installed prior to the "apt-get dist-upgrade" maybe a downgrade of that one may help
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10:00<babilen>tim__: That sounds broken
10:00<zathras>Maria, depends on the source you were installing from. If it was the debian repo: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/mariadb-server
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10:06<tim__>maybe installing systema from non-free/cd-including-firmware images was bad idea. I will continue trying to resolve this issue... BTW mesa driver works great.
10:08<babilen>tim__: I'd rather say that using the live images is a very suboptimal idea
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10:45<ach>i don't know if it seems trouble X or maybe gnome can't recognize it is connected to a wireless network in desktop area so as it seems the network manager does well recognize like sometimes it shoes up i connected to wireless and most of the time just the network manager can recognize for who got interest to manage most is unclear just tried act secure network?
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11:20<exon>Why i need to install gnome-terminal so i could copy-paste in vim as root?
11:20<exon>vim-gnome i mean
11:20<exon>terminal is xterm
11:21<exon>and vim is ncurses, but i need to install gui to copy-past
11:21<duclicsic>vim has internal functions for copy/paste that are independent of the terminal
11:21<rhiamom>isn't vim like a descendant of vi, so basically all key commands?
11:22<petn-randall>exon: You don't? How did you try to copy/paste, and what happened instead?
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11:23<exon>I vim-gnome updates your normal vim with a more bloated version of vim (with the +clipboard flag enabled)
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11:27<beeman>hello all
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11:27<beeman>i have debian stable. is there ide for java and android studio?
11:27<beeman>for java developers and android developers, please help me
11:28<duclicsic>that is trivial to google
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11:30<beeman>duclicsic: what do you mean?
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11:31<ach>what is an ide?
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11:34<rhiamom>duclicsic, he means to try a google search for what you want. try "debian android studio ide"
11:35<rhiamom>oops, wrong name!
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11:35<rhiamom>beeman, duclicsic means that you should do a google search
11:36<rhiamom>I found it first try
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11:36<alternate>hello, i have a simple question: does the debian installer have a simple full-encryption option?
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11:37<jimbond>ach: Integrated Development Environment
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11:38<petn-randall>alternate: It offers to fully encrypt all except /boot with LUKS, yes.
11:38<alternate>nice :) thanks!
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11:54<hardyfresh>a2, thanks again for all your help the other day. I couldn't ever get the late_command to work so I just removed the auto confirm and manually partition the additional disks
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12:07<CQ>hello, I have an icedove crash with a backtrace... should I file it with debian or mozilla? ...and is there a way to file it privately? The full trave has some account and mailbox info in it
12:07<CQ>trace
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12:15<petn-randall>CQ: Is it the stock icedove, or is it from mozilla.debian.net?
12:15<petn-randall>,v icedove
12:15<judd>Package: icedove on amd64 -- wheezy: 38.7.0-1~deb7u1; jessie: 1:45.2.0-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:45.3.0-1~deb8u1; stretch: 1:45.4.0-1; wheezy-security: 1:45.5.1-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 1:45.5.1-1~deb8u1; sid: 1:45.5.1-1
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12:20<CQ>ii icedove-dbg 1:45.5.1-1~deb8u1 amd64 Debug Symbols for Icedove
12:21<CQ>...on jessie
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12:22<CQ>I'm still in gdb, so I can generate whatever.
12:22<CQ>afk for 30 mins
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12:26<bremner>CQ: by default, report to debian
12:26<AlexLikeRock>bremner, some , reports never make a solution
12:26<AlexLikeRock>its a waase a time
12:27<AlexLikeRock>i have 5 reports , and no body answer
12:27<jhutchins>CQ: The system works best when you report the bug to the distro, and the maintainers report it upstream if necessary. They have more credibility with upstream, who otherwise just blame it on the distro.
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12:28<jhutchins>AlexLikeRock: Maybe you need to supply more and clearer information.
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12:28<jhutchins>AlexLikeRock: My bug resolution time with RedHat is about two years, even if the solution is known.
12:28<AlexLikeRock>puff,
12:29<AlexLikeRock>if i work for a bussnies office,
12:29<AlexLikeRock>i wana tell to my boss "this bug must be a resolved at 2 years
12:29<AlexLikeRock>LOL
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12:29<petn-randall>AlexLikeRock: I have a few bug reports that got fixes within a few days. It all depends on things like a concise and clear bug report, if it's reproducible, if a patch is available, etc. etc.
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12:30<AlexLikeRock>i upload information abou my distro, and screenshot
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12:30<petn-randall>AlexLikeRock: which distro are you running then?
12:30<AlexLikeRock>its no more nesesari , thatn screen shot, because are VISSIBLE my bug
12:30<AlexLikeRock>DEBIAN
12:30<AlexLikeRock>que debian GO FROZZEN,
12:31<AlexLikeRock>al my bug are CLOSED
12:31<petn-randall>?
12:31<AlexLikeRock>yes
12:31<bremner>AlexLikeRock: take a deep breath, try to calm down
12:31<namosca>Hi all! I am reading the book "kernel projects" from Gary Nutt, and I want to see the structure task_struct on file sched.h. I have found sched.h on my /usr/include/linux/sched.h path, but there is no struct task_struc there, only some defines. Where can I fid this struct? I am using Kernel 4.8.0-0 from backports for amd64
12:31<petn-randall>AlexLikeRock: For example?
12:31<AlexLikeRock>the make a less existing bug , to make a NEW RELEASE
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12:31<petn-randall>namosca: You likely want to take a look at the source code, not at the head files.
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12:32<petn-randall>namosca: Either install 'linux-source', or get the source package with 'apt source linux-image'
12:32<AlexLikeRock>petn-randall, Bug#784305:
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12:34<AlexLikeRock>petn-randall, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=784305
12:34<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/784305 in src:linux (open): «linux-image-3.16.0-4-686-pae: frozen Screen kernel 3.16 with video[NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a]]»; severity: important; opened: 2015-05-05; last modified: 2015-05-05.
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12:37<petn-randall>AlexLikeRock: Looks like you didn't undertake any measures to debug it yourself. Also, and I understand that english is not your first language, but I found it quite difficult to understand the information you were trying to convey.
12:38<AlexLikeRock>ha-ha
12:38<AlexLikeRock>petn-randall, you need a excellent english to take a look a screenshot
12:38<petn-randall>AlexLikeRock: Steps you could have taken are: 1) Try if this is resolved with a newer/older kernel 2) check if the machine is still running by ssh-ing from another machine 3) look at the logs if there is anything of importance.
12:38<AlexLikeRock>come on,
12:38<AlexLikeRock> you are laze guys
12:39<AlexLikeRock>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=723629 no body anwer
12:39<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/723629 in fceu (closed): «fceu: no sound»; severity: important; opened: 2013-09-18; last modified: 2015-06-06.
12:39<retrospectacus>a screenshot of a frozen screen is not useful
12:39<petn-randall>AlexLikeRock: Also, using copious amounts of CAPS and exclamation marks will significantly reduce the chance of getting a response.
12:39<bremner>NO WAI?!?!
12:40<AlexLikeRock>you are lazy guys ****
12:40<retrospectacus>fceu was removed post-wheezy. You won't get any fixes for it
12:40<petn-randall>AlexLikeRock: Try to work towards getting the bug resolved, and people will be more supportive to help. We are all volunteers here with limited time.
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12:40<AlexLikeRock>retrospectacus, so... my BUG are open
12:41<icebrain>AlexLikeRock: there *was* an answer to your second bug
12:41<icebrain>AlexLikeRock: they asked you to do something, and you didn't even reply
12:41<petn-randall>AlexLikeRock: Blaming others won't get you any help. Also quite ironic that you're blaming others being lazy when you don't feel like debugging your own issues.
12:41<retrospectacus>AlexLikeRock: your bug is closed. See n.org/723629 in fceu (closed):
12:41<AlexLikeRock>i now , your time, If you can not, ask for help, to solve the bug
12:42<icebrain>AlexLikeRock: they did. Joe Nahmias asked you for your help, you didn't answer
12:42<retrospectacus>did you try fceux as referred in the bug tracker?
12:42<AlexLikeRock>qq
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12:43<AlexLikeRock>of course, its more easy REMOVE A PAKAGE
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12:44<AlexLikeRock>my bug start at 24 Oct 2013 , then change RELASE, and REMOVE A PAKAGE at 08 May 2015
12:44<petn-randall>AlexLikeRock: Did you try what fceux referred to or not?
12:44<AlexLikeRock>no body answer at 2 YEARS !
12:44<jhutchins>Let's stop feeding the troll.
12:45<AlexLikeRock>petn-randall, focus , we are talk abot WASE TIME REPORT BUG
12:45<petn-randall>jhutchins: Can we at least get a +q or a +b then?
12:45<retrospectacus>response was 36 days later.
12:45<AlexLikeRock>jhutchins, im not troll , im debian user by 8 years
12:45<petn-randall>AlexLikeRock: You got an answer after a few weeks. Did you try that or not? It's an easy question.
12:45<AlexLikeRock>i hate this situation, allwys answer tooo late
12:46<namosca>petn-randall: Thanks, I found the linux images already installed on /lib/modules/4.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64/source/include/linux and the sched.h file I want is there
12:46<AlexLikeRock>its more ewasy wait to change the version OR remove the pakage
12:46<retrospectacus>bugs cannot be fixed without changing the version....
12:47<AlexLikeRock>retrospectacus, change version by CREATOR
12:47<AlexLikeRock>of corse , im not stupid
12:47<namosca>for what I understand, the linux source is the original from Linus Torvalds, and Linux Image is the Debian version, the actual one running in my system?
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12:47<petn-randall>AlexLikeRock: Your blog says you're running Devuan. Why complain here then?
12:47<jhutchins>petn-randall: Because he gets responses.
12:47<AlexLikeRock>i test devuan at one laptop, because i hate systemd
12:48<AlexLikeRock>you guys , You know that systemd, is taking over the whole system, and you are letting it happen
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12:48<jhutchins>namosca: The kernel team is bigger than just Linus these days, kernel.org is the "upstream" source, the debian source includes patches applied by the maintainers.
12:48<AlexLikeRock>i have 4 machines with debian and 1 with DEVUAN
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12:49<AlexLikeRock>petn-randall, /exec -o uname -a
12:49<AlexLikeRock>Linux DELL 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u1 (2016-09-03) i686 GNU/Linux
12:49<petn-randall>Time to fix the S/N ratio.
12:49*petn-randall plonks people.
12:52<AlexLikeRock>well finaly , ignonre the guy What does the uncomfortable truth say ,
12:52<AlexLikeRock>no aswer BUGS or take 2 years to answer NO SOLUTION
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12:53<namosca>jhutchins: so the image package is the one corresponding to the real linux running in my system?
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13:52<jhutchins>namosca: I don't know what you mean by "the image package".
13:55<namosca>I mean you told me I could either install linux-image-4.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 or linux-source-4.8 to read the source code and I was wondering what is the difference between them
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14:04<CQ>#0 0x00007ffff4a13e50 in vtable for nsDisplayXULTextBox () from /usr/lib/icedove/libxul.so
14:04<CQ>No symbol table info available.
14:04<CQ>...should I file a bug against icebug-dbg that the symbols should be included in libxul as well?
14:05<CQ>I didn't see a libxul-dbg...
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15:23<AlexLikeRock>how is CEO of debian ?
15:24<blast007>AlexLikeRock: Do you have a Debian support question?
15:25<towo`>if you mean the DPL, it's Mehdi Dogguy
15:25<AlexLikeRock>yes, why do not remove systemd ?
15:25<towo`>go, play elsewhere
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15:30<Echoz>AlexLikeRock: I'm not reading news on everything i care about every day, is systemd not present in later versions of Debian?
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15:33<beeman>What is systemd?
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15:35<mjjm>Bonjour
15:35<Echoz>init system in debian 8+, instead of things like sysvinit, upstart. the first process that starts and starts all of your services
15:35<dalbuquerque>systemd is a system and service manager for Linux.
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15:35<AlexLikeRock>its beeman take a read http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd#Breaking_promises_and_immaturity
15:36<dalbuquerque>you can take a look here too https://wiki.debian.org/systemd
15:36<Echoz>beeman: ps -p 1
15:36<Echoz>this command will show you your current "pid 1", the init process
15:37<Echoz>which in my case is systemd, if you're running an older version it will be init
15:37<mjjm>bonjour j'aimerais de l'aide pour installer google play store sous Xfce svp.
15:38<CQ>mjjm essaie #debian-fr peut-etre
15:39<mjjm>ok merci
15:39<CQ>soit ici, soit sur irc.oftc.net
15:39<beeman>what windows use?
15:39<beeman>the equivalent systemd for windows?
15:39<mjjm>I don' have windows.
15:39<AlexLikeRock>the equivalent systemd for windows = VIRUS
15:39<AlexLikeRock>beeman,
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15:40<AlexLikeRock>systemd = Virus trojan
15:40<Echoz>beeman: I'm not sure, since I don't work with windows privately, and in work it's not on that level. but possibly svchost.exe?
15:40<Echoz>"service host" the program that executes all services
15:41<Echoz>except of course that this runs in multiple instances unlike an init system in *nix systems
15:41<beeman>I saw a talk about systemd but i didn't understand
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15:42<Echoz>beeman: windows is a lot different though since these services and user-space applications are not separated as much as they are in a linux system
15:42<mjjm>Good night.
15:42<Echoz>mjjm: good ngith!
15:42<zykotick9>AlexLikeRock: seriously... systemd doesn't "kill babies"... get a grip.
15:42<awal1>AlexLikeRock, all the time with your stupid topic about systemd? just run debian without it or check another distro
15:43<Echoz>s/gi/ig/
15:43<Echoz>s/th/ht/
15:43<Echoz>dammit
15:43<AlexLikeRock>zykotick9, seriusly, systemd they got NSA, FBI
15:44<AlexLikeRock>awal1, shutup, you got FREEBSD
15:44<Echoz>AlexLikeRock: I'm against mass surveillance as much as you, but I really lack proof of this
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15:45<awal1>!ops AlexLikeRock off-topic silence him please
15:45<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: awal1 complains about: AlexLikeRock off-topic silence him please
15:45<Echoz>AlexLikeRock: and if there is proof, why is nobody changing the source code? A lot of distros using SystemD are against this as well.
15:45<abrotman>AlexLikeRock: please stop
15:47<AlexLikeRock>Echoz, , when try to change code , DEBIAN They must have been divided
15:47<AlexLikeRock>DEBIAN and DEVUAN Echoz
15:47<abrotman>AlexLikeRock: last warning, drop it. If you don't like systemd, go use another distro
15:49<Echoz>AlexLikeRock: I don't understand what you're saying. Personally, despite the fact I have not read the code or looked for vulnerabilities in SystemD, I think systemd is much easier to manage from a user/sysadmin perspective than init scripts. The solituion for me would not be "just changing to somethign else" but cleaning up SystemD of these alleged vulnerabilities.
15:49<mjjm>Nobody in debian-fr. I would like to use google play store on my xfce. But I don't know what I will do after installing virtual box?
15:49<abrotman>Echoz: please move on
15:49<Echoz>mjjm: Get an OS that supports google play, like various android-x86 distributions or remix-os
15:49<AlexLikeRock>Echoz, Zzzz .
15:50<AlexLikeRock>http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd#Scope_Creep_Leads_to_Vulnerabilities
15:50<abrotman>mjjm: I don't understand, why doesn't it work in your browser?
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15:50<Echoz>abrotman: It's not so much about proving any point, but I would actually like to hear valid criticisms against systemd.
15:51<Echoz>abrotman: but you are right about kicking him, he was clearly not going to show anything but conspiracy theories.
15:53<blast007>Echoz: that discussion would probably be better for #debian-offtopic or similar anyway as it's not a support question/discussion
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15:55<Echoz>blast007: I would argue it's the type of small talk that arises among more serious discussions, but okay. I get your point fully.
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15:56<mjjm>I ' m going Good night and happy new hear.
15:56<dvs>O_O
15:56<Echoz>mjjm: Good night and a happy new year to you too.
15:56<dvs>That's a bit late. ;-)
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15:58<Echoz>dvs: heh well people still say it a lot
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16:08<abrotman>Echoz: he knows better, and he's been around long enough
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16:10<Echoz>abrotman: The Alex fella?
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16:52<Echoz>does anybody use ZFS on debian, and if yes are there any issues?
16:52<somiaj>!tell Echoz -about why systemd
16:52<dvs>???
16:53<somiaj>Echoz: the link there has a good explination of why debian switched (including looking at other init systems) if intersted
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16:53<somiaj>Echoz: I've seen people use zfs, but unsure of any issues. It is a new file system support in linux, so it isn't as well tested as other filesystems. You can also check the BTS to see about issues.
16:53<koollman_>Echoz: I use zfs. mostly the issue I've had were that you need to have enough ram
16:53<Echoz>somiaj: What I'm interested in is good arguments as to why SystemD is bad and will kill us all, but we can forget this seeing as it's apparently not well suited here
16:54<Echoz>koollman_: If you don't have enough RAM what will the issue be? no data loss, right?
16:54<somiaj>Echoz: that link has a lot of good pros/cons of each init system (though a bit dated) is still relvenet.
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16:54<koollman_>also if you try some complicated tricks (nfs export of the snapshots) you can run in some corner cases (I locked up a nfs server that way)
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16:54<koollman_>but no data loss so far. been using it for ... 2 years, soon 3.
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16:54<Echoz>koollman_: I will only be hosting my data over NFS and running daily/hourly backup jobs
16:55<koollman_>(for backup servers, and for personnal data too)
16:55<somiaj>Echoz: In terms of matruirty in linux, if data loss would get in your way, you may want to use file systems that have a much longer track record in linux. As to when it is mature enough in linux, that becomes a personal choice.
16:55<Echoz>koollman_: I've been running a mdadm raid1 for that for a while, but I'm getting a new poweredge tower server with 8 3.5" SAS slots soon, so I will be using that one instead and running ZFS for snapshots and an overwriting rsync instead of duplicating files so many times
16:56<Echoz>or mdraid rather
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16:56<emoraes25_> Hello guys! This is my first access here. Sorry for the inconvenience, and I beg your pardon, please! I made my first Debian package, and I'm in need of help completing the package upload process. It seems that I only need one Sponsor, since I already opened a bug "RFS". Could anyone guide me on what next steps to take? Grateful!
16:57<Echoz>it has a 16G of ECC RAM and and a low end Xeon, I most likely won't have more than 30 TB of storage attached to it
16:57<somiaj>emoraes25_: #debian-mentors is the place to ask about getting packages in debian. If you have filed your RFS but, now just wait. You can try to get others to review your package as well.
16:57<somiaj>emoraes25_: also check that the package is lintian clean.
16:58<Echoz>nightly backups are currently at 54G + a little more (still < 60G)
16:59<Echoz>most of that data are static files, so that's why I want to move over to snapshotting over merging to weekly backups archived in the FS
16:59<somiaj>Echoz: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=zfs-linux -- list of bugs in the debain BTS
17:01<Echoz>somiaj: do we have any sufficient alternatives though? the features I would like are mostly checksumming of both disks in RAIDs to avoid corruption and snapshotting that don't consume additional space unless files are changed.
17:01<koollman_>Echoz: for rsync and zfs, remember to use --inplace
17:01<koollman_>it will use less space
17:01<somiaj>Echoz: more a hobbitest, so unsure besides what I read. btrfs seems to be popular and lots of talk about it, as it has some of the features you mention.
17:01<Echoz>koollman_: Yes, of course. I'm really just interested in issues that are not PEBKAC
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17:02<somiaj>Echoz: and it is less the file system and more the implimination in linux is new that the articiles I read still suggest it may need a bit more maturity in linux to be as trusted as ext4. But at some level this is a personal choice as to when you consider it 'ready for production'
17:03<koollman_>Echoz: no blocking bug. you can have a look at the currently open bugs, they are mostly "this is a case that is not well integrated when using zfs". no data loss or anything major for me
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17:03<Echoz>koollman_: I saw a few issues related to the OS booting from the zpool. I will be running the OS from an internally attached USB flash drive
17:04<emoraes25_>somiaj: Thank you for the attention "somiaj". I ran the litian on my machine, and there were no errors, but when I send to mentors on the package page the following "out-of-date-standards-version" warning appears because I used version 3.9. 6 instead of 3.9.8. Can this cause me problems? And how do I send a correction of this to mentors again? Can I make a new "dput" only with the font and not include the ".ori.tar.gz" package? Sorry for the delay in
17:05<koollman_>Echoz: the easiest, most tested setup is : use zfs for some data, not all the system. And make sure you can boot if for some reason you cannot mount zfs
17:05<Echoz>koollman_: absolutely, the root fs will be running on EXT4
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17:06<somiaj>emoraes25_: make sure you run with all the flags, lintian -EviIL +pedantic package.changes (so it runs on both the binary and source package)
17:06<koollman_>Echoz: this is pretty much unbreakable. the only thing I 'broke' was a badly managed upgrade doing wheezy->jessie with a custom kernel (not correctly packaged, by me), and the zfs module did not recompile. on reboot, no zfs
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17:07<koollman_>Echoz: after a recompiling of the module, no problem. and if the kernel had been a standard debian kernel, or correctly managed by me, the module would have been rebuilt during the upgrade
17:07<somiaj>emoraes25_: opps, typo, that should be +pedantic
17:07<Echoz>ZFS with mirroring or a raid-z with 3+1 redundant drive is what I'm planning on using, but I doubt I will leap to 3+1, since I'm using cheap drives for this home setup that doesn't experience as much load as a commercial server
17:08<koollman_>Echoz: oh, and a rather important point: do not use deduplication. You may think you want it, but you don't. This is not linux specific. it's very, very expensive on zfs :)
17:08<koollman_>snapshot as much a you want
17:08<koollman_>and compression is fine
17:08<Echoz>koollman_: duly noted, I'm not at all planning to do any nonstandard things on this server (it'll be purely dedicated to the ZFS array and NFS.
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17:09<Echoz>koollman_: I wouldn't. In the case of ZFS even when deduplication is disabled snapshotted files will not be duplicated if their checksum hasn't changed. right?
17:09<koollman_>right
17:09<emoraes25_>somiaj: Thank you! Hehehe
17:10<Echoz>koollman_: good, that's really the most important things, since I wish to run my backups purely on disks. Tapes are quite a big expense for private use.
17:10<koollman_>yes :(
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17:13<Echoz>speaking of that, do you know if there is a good cloud storage service that easily integrates with standarized tools (e.g. sftp) or even unencrypted protocols like ftp? I've been considering renting something to sync encrypted tar archives off-site.
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17:15<Echoz>by that i essentially mean something in which I wouldn't need to store the archives locally first. to avoid the need for a lot of free space
17:16<Echoz>I wouldn't want to run into a situation where the backup job halts due to a full drive
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17:21<Echoz>it seems google offers coldline storage for 0.007 USD per month per GB, seems fair if it's useable through pipelining
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17:24<Echoz>also at a cost of 0.05 for reading, which is fine, for recovering 1 TB i would have to pay USD 50 approx
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17:54<backbox>hi
17:56<backbox>hellow people
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18:04<aexl>hi. is there a new "feature" that blocks network ports? i can't forward some ports and i even turned the router's firewall off/exposed my host.
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18:18<lindi->aexl: TCP?
18:18<aexl>yes
18:20<lindi->aexl: I'm not aware of anything specific that'd be new
18:21<aexl>okay thx might also be the programs problem. still strange that every port seems closed from outside no?
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18:22<oguzhangurcu>hi
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18:28<lindi->aexl: can you use tcpdump and iptables to debug this?
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18:29<aexl>iptables -L is empty
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18:30<lindi->aexl: how do you do the port forwarding?
18:30<aexl>in my router's firewall.
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19:05<oguzhangurcu>türk varmı türk
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19:06<bremner>!tr
19:06<dpkg>somebody said tr was t�rk�e yardIm i�in #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net.
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19:08<darthvader>what up
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19:19<feathered_person>me! I fly!
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19:21<bremner>it would be nice someone who spoke turkish could fix the tr trigger to use UTF8.
19:21<bremner>or do most turkish users use some other encoding I wonder?
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19:29<themill>you can only get dpkg to swallow UTF-8 on some days.... it's that ideal combination of crufty legacy-what-is-an-encoding perl and mysql
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19:34<Fenhl>hello. I'm not sure if this is the right channel, but I installed Debian on a Windows computer a couple years ago and set things up for dual booting. But when selecting Windows in grub it shows an additional selection screen with the options saying Windows and continue with the install process. Is there a way to remove this second screen now that the Debian
19:34<Fenhl>install process is finished?
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19:55<Fenhl>okay, found it after a few more tries. For reference, this answer worked: http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/73174
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22:37<svetlana>is there a channel which helps with the process of maintaining a debian derivative?
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23:03<react>svetlana: #debianfork ?
23:04<react>(freenode)
23:04<react>there's also #devuan on freenode, they might have some interesting insights/parallels depending on your objectives/goals
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23:14<marc>hello
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23:14<marc>i installed debian last night and am having trouble with wifi
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23:15<marc>i have installed the drivers, looked at many threads talking about how to work with networkmanager and similar programs, but it seems no one has exactly my issue
23:15<marc>there is never, and has never, been an icon in the top right corner of my screen for wireless connections
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23:16<marc>there's only the battery icon, sound icon, and an icon to indicate a wired connection when i have one connected
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23:16<marc>when i disconnect from wired, though, no icon takes it place. it simply disappears
23:16<marc>if anyone would be kind enough to help i'd seriously appreciate it
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