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---Logopened Mon Jan 09 00:00:53 2017
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00:05<jinppk>Hey everyone, I use debian jessie with a backported kernel, i have just updated it to 4.8, and now i cant get the nvidia drivers dkms to build, i use a gtx650ti, which nividia-detect recoments installing nvidia-driver for. when i try dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms there is a compliation error to the effect of 'implicity declaration of function page cache release'. Anyone have any ideas what is going wrong?
00:06<jinppk>sorry, that card is a gtx560 ti and the nvidia version is 340.96
00:06<themill>You probably need nvidia-* from backports too at a guess
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00:13<brophat>I don't want to have to do a whole lot of tweaking. If I install debian am I going to end up spending my life tweaking because not may drivers are provided out of the box?
00:13<brophat>hello
00:14<themill>I wouldn't call installing drivers "tweaking".
00:14<themill>You either do it in the first 5 minutes or you don't
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00:14<themill>(also almost all drivers are part of the kernel packages... you don't install drivers in linux)
00:14<brophat>ok, I was once into digging into linux, now I just want it to mostly work
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00:15<brophat>if I install mint i think i will have to do a lot less tweaking no?
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00:16<themill>I don't know why that would be
00:16<brophat>I am using ubuntu now and it got messed up when I upgraded to 16.04
00:17<brophat>does debian break a lot when it is upgraded?
00:17<jinppk>themill: thanks ill give it a try
00:18<themill>brophat: Debian has been doing in-place upgrades between releases since before most other distros even existed.
00:18<brophat>you know what is messed up? I was about to install debian, but right out of the gate i was confused about how to do it hahaha
00:19<brophat>do i use the netinst iso?
00:19<brophat>but then there is the small CDs install also haha
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00:20<brophat>debian has made it very confusing
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00:21<jinppk>themill: yep, that did it.... backports had 340.101 and that worked, cant belive i didnt think of that myself.
00:21<jinppk>themill: thanks again!
00:22<brophat>can someone explain how to install
00:22<themill>jinppk: no worries
00:22<brophat>small CDs, tiny CDs, net install ??
00:22<brophat>I am lost right from the start
00:23<themill>Do you need to install over wifi?
00:24<themill>jinppk: backports should have 367.57-2~bpo8+1 btw
00:24<themill>(340.101-1 is in s-p-u)
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00:31<brophat>ok i get it now, i am downloading the dvd iso
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00:32<themill>Do you need to install over wifi?
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00:38<cedriczg>Is this the right place to ask for solving an issue under a Debian based Distro?
00:39<brophat>why are there 4 disks to burn? Debian is so big that it doesn't all fit onto one dvd?
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00:43<cedriczg>Hi, it may be a too specific issue but I am trying to connect my iphone to my elementary OS. I followed the steps under https://gist.github.com/samrocketman/70dff6ebb18004fc37dc5e33c259a0fc . However I am getting following error now: Failed to connect to lockdownd service on the device.
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00:43<themill>brophat: Do you need to install over wifi?
00:43<cedriczg>If I should post this to another channel please let me know
00:44<themill>cedriczg: there's a #elementary on irc.freenode.net that would be more appropriate
00:44<cedriczg>themill, Thanks. I'll try there
00:45<cedriczg>themill, There is noone there. Can I still have help here? Elementary is Debian based as I believe
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00:47<themill>There are 70 people there -- we can't help with elementary.
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00:49<cedriczg>themill, Thanks. Was looking on wrong server. Got there. Bye
00:50<brophat>themill why would i need to install over wifi?
00:50<brophat>themill i don't think i need to. i am currently just downloading the dvd iso
00:50<themill>Only you would know that. If you don't need to, then any of the installer images will be fine and the netinst would be fine. CD1 would be fine too. Or DVD1. The only difference is when you download packages.
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00:51<brophat>themill i only need dvd1?
00:51<themill>you probably don't even *need* that
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00:52<brophat>what are the other dvd for?
00:52<brophat>dvd's
00:52<themill>more packages
00:52<brophat>themill ok but dvd1 has all the basic packages i need?'
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00:55<jm_>!cd contents
00:55<dpkg>To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-cd/).
00:55<jm_>you can look there
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00:55<brophat>can't i just get all packages online with that apt get thing?
00:56<jm_>that is what themill is trying to tell you yes
00:56<brophat>ok haha
00:57<brophat>so dvd1 has what i need to install the OS, as well as some packages, which is why themill says dvd1 has more than i need to install the os?
00:58<themill>the netinst has enough to complete your installation
00:58<brophat>what is netinst?
00:58<themill>did you read the install guide btw?
00:59<brophat>do you mean the iso that has netinst in its name
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00:59<brophat>themill what ever i read from the debian website does not make sense
01:00<brophat>and I have been using linux for about 10years, and I have a master degree in electrical engineering, and a master degree in mathematics hahah
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01:00<brophat>the debian website is written in jiberish
01:00<brophat>you need to hire a tech writer
01:00<themill>So is your complaint... but whatever.
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01:02<brophat>themill are you saying i should install from the iso that has netinst in its name?
01:03<themill>That's the one that is the default link, but if you've got DVD1 then you can use that
01:03<themill>I'm saying "can". You're saying "should".
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01:05<brophat>themill the netinst iso is small and basically gets all the code as it needs it from the net? is that the basic idea?
01:05<themill>!netinst
01:05<dpkg>well, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
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01:06<brophat>I like my explanation more
01:06<themill>except that it's wrong
01:07<brophat>why is it wrong?
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01:08<themill>The netinst does not get all the things it needs from the net
01:10<brophat>themill ok but it gets a lot or most?
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01:10<themill>potentially none.
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01:12<brophat>themill ok, it sounds like a mystery
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01:12<brophat>but bottom line i got dvd1 so I am good to go
01:13<themill>it's not a mystery at all
01:14<themill>It's the same for all the images. If you ask the installer to install a package that's on the medium then it installs it from the medium. If not, it fetches it from the network.
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01:15<brophat>themill but if netinst is intended to be a net installer why would it have anything other than what is needed to boot?
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01:17<themill>that's not what it is intended to be
01:17<brophat>btw i wanted to get into the debian irc network but got changed to OFTC, are they the same?
01:18<themill>there is no debian irc network; irc.debian.org points at oftc
01:18<Andronas>irc.debian.org is an alias to connect to the oftc network :3
01:18<brophat>themill what is it intended to be?
01:18<brophat>Andronas yea got it
01:18<themill>brophat: exactly what its web page says
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01:18<brophat>themill ok i will check it out
01:19<brophat>my advice to debian is make the initial install process a lot more transparent
01:20<Andronas>i had an issue with loading the installer earlier from the stable live dvd. the installer was positioned so part of it was hidden off screen
01:20<Andronas>:(
01:20<Andronas>and it was not in a window so i couldn't drag it
01:20<Andronas>it just had a black box around it
01:20<brophat>have a dumbed down "one sheet" description of the most often done process for install. Most other distributions have that
01:21<themill>Installing debian isn't hard... you click the big "Download Debian" button on the front page and then hit enter 12 times.
01:21<brophat>themill that is true ahaha
01:21<brophat>but i got confused because it said network installer
01:21<brophat>I was thinking, is that the one I want?
01:21<jm_>there is already https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstall
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01:22<brophat>the button should just say download Debian
01:22<Andronas>can anyone explain why I was having that problem? >.>
01:22<brophat>dumb it down
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01:23<brophat>have a button that says PC users download here
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01:24<brophat>you also need a button that says Mac Users Click Here. and of course it takes them to google
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03:07<joellkraehemann>hi all
03:07<joellkraehemann>gpg fails on my fresh installed system
03:08<joellkraehemann>I can't generate any keys
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03:17<joellkraehemann>http://paste.debian.net/907886
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03:19<jm_>do you have gpg agent running?
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03:20<joellkraehemann>yes
03:20<joellkraehemann>strace -o /tmp/foo gpg --full-gen-key
03:20<joellkraehemann>sorry, gpg-agent[77067]: gpg-agent running and available
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03:26<jm_>try stoping/restarting it
03:26<joellkraehemann>I tried install locales-all
03:27<joellkraehemann>and restarted it
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03:27<jm_>then try stopping it
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03:31<joellkraehemann>now it works
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03:31<joellkraehemann>strace was telling there are missing translation files
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08:51<Markc>I want to install this package from strech and install it to Jessie, on the official website https://mhogomchungu.github.io/zuluCrypt/ there is the binary version and it's newer than the debian package, but I think that installing the debian version is better for obvious reasons. Do you know some very easy way to install it without trying to do a .deb package?
08:52<Markc>this is the program found in the debian repository: https://packages.debian.org/source/stretch/zulucrypt
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08:58<petn-randall>Markc: You can backport it yourself.
08:58<blast007>!ssb
08:58<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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09:04<Markc>thanks, but isn't better adding a deb-src line for stretch instead of sid?
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09:18<petn-randall>,v zulucrypt
09:18<judd>No package named 'zulucrypt' was found in amd64.
09:18<petn-randall>,v zulucrypt-cli
09:18<judd>Package: zulucrypt-cli on amd64 -- sid: 5.0.2-2; stretch: 5.0.2-2
09:18<petn-randall>Markc: you can use stretch instead, in this case it doesn't make a difference.
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09:23<Markc>thanks
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09:33<Markc>!bdo
09:33<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>.
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09:53<Jeniek>!deb-src stretch
09:53<dpkg>You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the stretch release is: "deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free". Remember to "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list.
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09:58<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>.
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12:17<uso>jessie with systemd init still does not boot into a usable state when a filesystem is broken, will that finally be fixed in stretch?
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12:18<babilen>uso: --verbose
12:18<uso>babilen: as option to what command?
12:20<babilen>I guess that would be "uso-report-bug --verbose" -- I was hinting at the fact that you might want to provide more details about the actual problem you are facing, rather than having us guessing what the problem is
12:20<babilen>Which Debian bug report are you referring to?
12:21<uso>wheezy used to boot into a single user mode root prompt when a filesystem check failed, jessie with systemd does not (never did)
12:21<uso>I just ask if the boot into a single user mode will work again with stretch
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12:24<uso>luckily ext4 is quite stable so that I did not run into that problem for months, but now a broken root file system reminded me of the problem
12:24<Echoz>uso: ext4 has been extremely stable in my opinion, almost surprising
12:25<Echoz>even software raid0 and a power loss has not yet corrupted anything
12:26<Anarka>uso: were you able to fix the filesystem ?
12:26<uso>Echoz: I know, it's still not perfect as I just got a corrupted filesystem on a running system
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12:27<uso>Anarka: I've repaired it with a live system, at least e2fsck claimed that it's repaired, but I still haven't booted it again
12:27<Echoz>uso: of course not, but relative to the amount of corruption i see in for instance NTFS still to this day
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12:28<Echoz>still not suited for NAS/SAN though
12:30<uso>Echoz: I do not complain about ext4, it's the most stable filesystem I know, I only do not like that I cannot repair the system without booting from an external medium which is a clear regression compared to wheezy
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12:32<Echoz>uso: can't you choose to go to runlevel 1 through your boot loader, though?
12:32<Anarka>when everyting else fails add init=/bin/bash to to your startup, from grub select the booting kernel and then e to edit or something
12:33<Echoz>Anarka: in grub that'd be the case indeed
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12:36<uso>Echoz: the boot loader even offers a rescue mode which one could expect to do something like that ;)
12:37<Echoz>uso: it might even be single user, i'm not sure since i always have a live medium handy for those kind of things
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15:25<DzzzzzzR[m]>Anybody know about Chromebooks on Debian or a channel for Linux Chromebooks?
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15:29<blast007>DzzzzzzR[m]: there's some chromebooks mentioned on the Debian Wiki
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15:30<DzzzzzzR[m]>blast007: thanks, heard of a channel?
15:31<blast007>not one specific to chromebooks
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15:31<jhutchins>DzzzzzzR[m]: I've seen a few blog posts about whether it's practical to run Linux on them. Seems like it's pretty experimental at this stage.
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15:32<jhutchins>DzzzzzzR[m]: I don't know of any organized project.
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15:36<DzzzzzzR[m]>jhutchins: ah interesting. Its for a friend who's new to Linux (and couldnt be considered a power user with their windows sustem) who was looking for a cheap 'laptop' with great battery life
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15:37<DzzzzzzR[m]>jhutchins: was thinking Linux on some Chromebooks would be pretty stable by now
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15:41<blast007>DzzzzzzR[m]: one example of the experimental nature: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/ChromebookPixel#Ensuring_the_battery_doesn.27t_run_right_down
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15:54<SynrG>That page is quite old, though
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15:54<SynrG>I didn't check the status of any linked bugs. Probably the bts is the best source of up to date info
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16:03<blast007>ah, yeah, it does say that issue was resolved in newer chromebook models
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16:28<namosca>Hi. My Debian 8.6 is freezing sometimes and only responds to: Hard reset, or Alt+Magic sys request. Ctrl Alt F1 doent work, and if I try to ping it via my mobile on my router, it also doesnt respond to ping. This did NOT happen with Lubuntu 16.10. How can I track the root cause of the problem? Thanks
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16:30<namosca>Is the Alt Magic sys request the way to go? I only read about it today and want to know if it makes sense to invest time on learning that to solves this problem
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16:49<jhutchins>namosca: Check the system logs. If you can get it to recover without rebooting the output of dmesg might be useful.
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16:49<jhutchins>I don't remember if the current dmesg buffer is saved to /var/log/dmesg or if that's something else.
16:49<jhutchins>Of course, if it freezes dmesg won't be saved...
16:49<somiaj>if it is locking up due to a kernel (no pings is one sign) the magic sys key may not do anything either.
16:50<jhutchins>namosca: Any particular thing that triggers it?
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16:51<namosca>jhutchins: It happens more often if I am watching youtube videos, but once it also froze while using emacs/lisp
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16:52<namosca>the magic sys key succeeded in rebooting (I did with REISUB and was able to reboot without messing with the disk state)
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16:55<namosca>I run memtest86+ for hours and hours, and nothing wrong was there. Those freezes didnt happen with Lubuntu 16.10 (I dont know about Lubuntu specifically, but Ubuntu 16.10 is based on Kernel 4.8, which is the same kernel I have on Debian, because of backport)
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16:59<namosca>My Debian also complains that it cant load firmware rtl_nic/rtl8402-1.fw (because its non-free). I think this is from my cable network card, but I dont use it so I dont care...i hope this isnt causing the freezes
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17:01<cruncher>hi namosca
17:01<cruncher>so you got a freeze again
17:01<cruncher>?
17:02<namosca>yes
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17:02<namosca>ctrl alt f1 didnt work, neither pingingmy pc
17:02<cruncher>and you don't have to run memtest for "hours", just until 1 pass (100%), one time only
17:02<cruncher>of course it will tak ehours, but befiore you dont pass 100%, you can't say if the ram is ok
17:02<namosca>cruncher: I did it for 8 hours and 9 or 10 passes/test, nothing found... this freezes wasnt happening with Lubuntu, so I think its not a memory issue
17:03<cruncher>sounds lilek a HW issue.. like i said.. first you should know about memtest passing 1 time ok
17:03<cruncher>ah
17:03<cruncher>then the mem is fine, if you had multipel passes, abnd it said all good
17:03<namosca>cruncher: It says it passes 100% many times... than begin the next test, so the passes reset... and goes to 100% again and so on
17:03<cruncher>ok ,then you can discard memory
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17:04<cruncher>which version of lubuntu was that?
17:05<cruncher>namosca, ^
17:05<namosca>16.10
17:05<cruncher>so the latest
17:06<namosca>I read here Ubuntu 16.10 uses Kernel 4.8, so I assume Lubuntu 16.10 uses this too, which is the same version of my Kernel Backport in Debian... but maybe it means nothing, because Debian Kernel is not the original Linux kernel, so maybe Ubuntus kernel is yet another one
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17:06<cruncher>i think vga related
17:07<cruncher>did you check the lgos?
17:07<cruncher>*logs
17:07<namosca>two days ago I did, but it wasnt a day where any freezing happenned, so I didnt find anything weird
17:07<cruncher>you can check the logs back, not necessarely on the same day
17:07<namosca>It froze yesterday and today while watching Youtube with my kid, so I just resetted and didnt look at the log
17:07<cruncher>on the moment of the freezes
17:08<namosca>I have the feeling that if the first thing I do after turning the PC on is watching a youtube video, the freezes are more likely to happen :)
17:09<cruncher>so check the log fro the time that he freeze happened
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17:10<namosca>You mean Xorg.0.log.old or other log?
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17:17<cruncher>namosca, yes, and check also syslog if you can see something
17:18<cruncher>hopefully there were some indications before and why the freze happened
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17:23<namosca>cruncher: People on the kernelnewbies channel said that not responding to ctrl alt f1 or ping indicates a kernel problem... I wonder if the modified kernel 4.8 of Debian is problematic (because the same version of Lubuntu didnt freeze on this way)... it gets complicated to test it, and as I have no time I wont debug the way they told me... but I will keep reading about this sysreq and see if there is a way to use this dmesg while o
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19:10<Guest133>hey
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19:16<sleblanc>hello, trying to build the DAHDI module, it seems like a macro that the code references is no longer available: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/bf562355/
19:17<sleblanc>See https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/78d28e651f97866d608d9b41f8ad291e65d47dd5?diff=unified
19:17<sleblanc>so I am looking for a way to apply a patch to make it build
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19:18<sleblanc>The log I posted is the module-assistant buildlog
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