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02:30<michelsedgh>Hello, so I have an FTP share (my router is doing that) and when I user curlftpfs, I can't get to have write access
02:30<michelsedgh>ls -l says drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4096 Jan 9 14:36 sda1
02:30<michelsedgh> I can't chown my username, I get operation not permitted
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02:31<jm_>what does router have to do with sda1?
02:32<michelsedgh>The mount folder in the router is sda1
02:32<michelsedgh>IDK why it does that
02:32<grawity>you can't chown things via FTP
02:32<jm_>is your router running debian?
02:32<grawity>you're accessing the server as user X, and that's it
02:32<grawity>what curlftpfs shows doesn't really matter
02:32<michelsedgh>I have mounted the drive as /media/my_username/ftp
02:32<grawity>(for that matter, you can't chown much via FUSE at all...)
02:33<grawity>michelsedgh: was it mounted by root?
02:33<michelsedgh>grawity: yes.
02:33<grawity>then it's only accessible by root
02:33<grawity>there's a fuse option (allow_other) that can change that
02:33<michelsedgh>grawity: I can mkdir from command line a folder, but applications can't do that, I get I/O error
02:34<grawity>I/O errors are reported by curlftpfs itself; turn up its debug logging
02:34<michelsedgh>and I have tried the allow_other
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02:36<michelsedgh>grawity: should I unmount first to enter debug mode? (sorry a bit noob here)
02:37<michelsedgh>by debug mode I mean debug logging
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02:40<michelsedgh>curlftpfs -d 192.168.0.1
02:40<michelsedgh>Error connecting to ftp: Access denied: 532
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02:41<michelsedgh>oh sorry I forgot the user and pass :D
02:45<michelsedgh>https://paste.kde.org/pkpx74mtz
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02:57<michelsedgh>any help would be highly apperciated, I can't get it to work after spending 2 days
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04:38<michelsedgh>Hey can someone help me with curlftpfs? My applications can't make a file or folder. I have a log of an app trying to create one: https://paste.kde.org/pkpx74mtz
04:40<michelsedgh>I have used the allow_other option and it is not working
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04:52<duclicsic>michelsedgh: "ftpfs: operation ftpfs_open failed because Operation not supported"
04:52<duclicsic>http://6.ptmc.org/380/
04:53<duclicsic>the problem is the way your application is trying to write to it
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05:30<michelsedgh>duclicsic: is there any fix for that?
05:31<michelsedgh>there is no directory called rdiff* in my python2.7 folder
05:33<michelsedgh>should I downgrade my curlftpfs?
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05:42<duclicsic>michelsedgh: the course of action is up to you, it may work with an older version but ideally you'd alter the way you're attemping to write to it
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05:43<michelsedgh>duclicsic: how should I do that? I have no idea what to do.
05:44<duclicsic>michelsedgh: my suggestion would be to use something other than curlftpfs
05:45<duclicsic>any particular reason why you've chosen to use it?
05:45<michelsedgh>I have an ftp share from my router
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05:45<michelsedgh>and the first method was to use curlftpfs
05:46<duclicsic>michelsedgh: does this router not allow access to the same storage via say... ssh?
05:46<michelsedgh>I have tried with cifs cause my router has SMB too but I have seen that it is lagging and it is really slow
05:46<michelsedgh>no just SMB and FTP
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05:47<duclicsic>ok, well it might be worth investigating your SMB options again because curlftpfs appears to be crap
05:48<michelsedgh>I have mounted the share using cifs and it is working, but I have noticed that it is really slow
05:48<michelsedgh>the maximum data send to the drive can't get more than 3-4MB/s
05:49<michelsedgh>But I have tried 2 devices writing to the disk at the same time, both at 3-4MB/s
05:49<michelsedgh>each I must say 3-4MB/s
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05:49<duclicsic>well there's a great deal of reference on the googles to "slow smb speed" and similar, i'm sure you'll find some things to try
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05:50<duclicsic>does it need to be mounted? can't you just use a regular ftp client?
05:50<michelsedgh>I want to set it up on a headless raspberry pi...
05:51<michelsedgh>is there any other application to mount ftp that is not "crap" like curlftpfs?!
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05:51<duclicsic>i have never heard of one personally
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05:52<michelsedgh>hm, I will try to see if I can get the speed of that SMB higher or not. Seems the only choice
05:52<duclicsic>well the fact that i've not heard of one doesn't discount the possibility that one exists, i'm sure google will know
05:53<michelsedgh>I didn't find any either...
05:53<michelsedgh>I have been trying to make it work for 2 days now
05:53<duclicsic>going back to the beginning, what is the actual piece of software that is writing to the mount when you get those errors?
05:54<michelsedgh>Deluge bittorrent
05:54<duclicsic>right, have you tried storing the torrent locally then moving it when it's done downloading?
05:54<michelsedgh>I have tried and saw that Dolphin can handle it pretty well
05:54<michelsedgh>That would be a lot of work each time I download something...
05:54<duclicsic>the problem is that bittorrent wants to read from and write to the file at the same time, curlftpfs doesn't support this
05:55<michelsedgh>oh
05:55<duclicsic>if instead you made your torrent client download it to a local temporary folder, then move it to ftp storage when done, you probably wouldn't encounter the problem
05:55<michelsedgh>I will try that.
05:56<duclicsic>all depends on the method used to write it, you might end up having to move it manually if the torrent app still fails
05:57<michelsedgh>I hope not :D
05:57<duclicsic>well "manually" can always be exchanged for "with a script" once you know it works
05:58<michelsedgh>It would be a good starting point for me to write scripts as well
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06:00<michelsedgh>anyways thanks duclicsic :) have a good day / night.
06:01<duclicsic>yw
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09:32<sengun>can i find out why i'm banned on some channels from some host/as some nickname somehow?
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09:52<cruncher>sengun, you better join the oftc channel
09:52<cruncher>and ask that there
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09:57<sengun>cruncher: good idea, thanks!
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10:48<apestate>can anyone help me install debian on a modern laptop? having 0 luck getting a usb to boot
10:48<apestate>i'm on mint
10:48<apestate>your iso are all master boot record or something
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10:51<petn-randall>apestate: What problem are you getting?
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10:51<apestate>the usb is formatted with mbr
10:51<petn-randall>apestate: Tell us what problem you see, not what you think the solution is.
10:51<apestate>can you help me set up the usb properly in gparted
10:52<apestate>oh I'm asking wrong
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10:52<apestate>don't help then
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10:52<towo`>since debian is iso-hybrid, you are totaly wrong
10:52<towo`>so if you dd the iso to usb, it boots with bios or efi
10:53<petn-randall>apestate: Your assumptions are wrong, which is why I'm asking what problem you see.
10:53<towo`>the only iso without efi-support is the live-iso
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10:54<petn-randall>!usb install
10:54<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>.
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10:55<petn-randall>apestate: No partitioning of the USB stick is needed (it will be overwritten anyway) if you follow the installation instructions above. ^^^
10:56<apestate>debian doesn't support secure boot is that correct
10:56<petn-randall>apestate: yes
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10:56<petn-randall>apestate: It support UEFI boot, but secure boot needs to be deactivated for installation and booting.
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10:56<apestate>after I format a usb to fat32 I can't seem to get it to mount in mint
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10:57<petn-randall>apestate: Formatting and partitioning is not needed to prepare the installation image.
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10:58<apestate>i got /dev/sdb1 just want to copy files to the disk
10:58<apestate>can't seem to mount it
10:58<duclicsic>are you trying to copy the installation image to it??
10:59<apestate>I'd like to copy files to this disk yes
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10:59<duclicsic>that was not the question I asked, but i suppose if you want to mount it in mint there is probably a #mint channel that can help you
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11:00<apestate>yeah I don't want to do it your way
11:00<duclicsic>oh
11:00<duclicsic>good luck then :)
11:00<apestate>I want to install a live disk with nonfree on a bootable usb
11:01<towo`>debian live has no uefi support
11:01<apestate>so if I create a usb with gpt and fat 32 and copy the files over and flag it as bootable that won't work?
11:01<towo`>no, no and no
11:01<petn-randall>apestate: Have fun, the documentation is linked above. If you get stuck with the documented way, let us know and we'll help you.
11:02<apestate>yeah I want a uefi bootable live usb
11:02<apestate>what's the path for that
11:02<apestate>ubuntu?
11:02<towo`>apestate, how often again?
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11:02<towo`>apestate, debian live can't boot with uefi
11:02<towo`>period!
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11:03<apestate>no wonder so many people use mint
11:04<towo`>so?
11:04<towo`>debian installer boots fine with uefi, so what's the problem?
11:04<apestate>you go to download debian and you're presented with 80 files
11:04<petn-randall>Don't feed the troll.
11:04<towo`>then use mint, bye
11:06<petn-randall>apestate: Please assume good faith, and work towards a constructive discussion. Ranting won't get you far in any community.
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11:12<apestate>so without using legacy bios there's no way to run a live cd of debian?
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11:13<towo`>no#
11:13<towo`>and for installing debian, there is no live image needed
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11:15<apestate>be nice to use a live cd in a laptop without a hard drive. I want to image one usb stick that can install linux or operate a laptop that has no hard drive like in an electronics surplus store
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11:17<towo`>then use legacy bios instead of efi
11:17<towo`>efi does not have any effective benefit
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11:22<apestate>dual booting with windows 10, so uefi would be required. I'd like to have a live disk image on a usb stick that I can use to install debian on a uefi dual boot machine and/or operate an old laptop without a hard drive
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11:23<towo`>win10 does not require uefi
11:24<apestate>true but 2tb hard drives do
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11:25<towo`>wrong
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11:25<GLolol>what does hard disk size have to do with uefi
11:25<towo`>you can't from a partition greater than 2TB
11:25<towo`>+boot
11:25<towo`>bios canT boot os from a partition greate than 2TB
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11:26<towo`>bot who to hell would make a system-partition at sych size
11:26<towo`>*such
11:26<GLolol>o
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11:28<apestate>windows 10 is installed with uefi, wouldn't it be easier to have a uefi booting live cd
11:29<GLolol>i don't disagree
11:30<GLolol>you have to use the regular install images
11:30<apestate>so I need 2 usb sticks again
11:30<apestate>one for installing debian, one for running a live cd
11:31<towo`>there are many derivates arround, which have a efi-supported live-image
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11:31<GLolol>it's probably possible to partition your usb stick to boot both, if it's big enough
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11:36<apestate>this pure blend live cd is probably legacy bios then? https://www.debian.org/blends/gis/get/live
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11:36<agaida>apestate: where is the problem with a uefi live cd?
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11:37<agaida>ah - i forget about live-build ... :)
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11:42<apestate>I dislike unity so I guess I'll try one of these ubuntu flavors
11:43<apestate>thanks for spending all this time on my personality that was really useful
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11:44<apestate>at the risk of ranting, I'd say debian's installation barrier to entry is too high
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11:45<petn-randall>apestate: Feel free to leave constructive feedback in the bug tracker.
11:45<apestate>seems like a feature, no?
11:46<towo`>no
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12:46<apestate>debian's community seems toxic
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12:47<petn-randall>apestate: Luckily you're free to join any other community you like. Have fun!
12:47<petn-randall>!next
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12:48-!-mode/#debian [+l 787] by debhelper
12:48*petn-randall recommends Kali.
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12:56<rno>hi, I'm trying using ipv6 earlier with debian jessie, most softs are ok yet I'm having errors with some perl scripts, :
12:56<rno>Bad arg length for Socket::pack_sockaddr_in, length is 16, should be 4 at /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/perl/5.20/Socket.pm line 156
12:56<rno>I searched the net, found suggestions using inet6 socket module, with debian i found libio-socket-inet6-perl, I installed it, yet the errors are remaining. I'm without experience with perl...
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12:58<duclicsic>rno: that sounds to me like more of a question for a perl dedicated channel. it sounds like the script you're running is loading the inet4 module but you're passing it a v6 address, you likely need to alter the script to load the inet6 module instead, though how that might affect it is anyone's guess.
12:59<retrospectacus>https://www.perl.org/about/whitepapers/perl-ipv6.html
12:59<retrospectacus>the correct solution is to contact the scripts' maintainer, I suppose
13:00<duclicsic>assuming it's not one you've written yourself
13:00<rno>not, some those scripts are within debian packages.
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13:01<retrospectacus>then you can report a bug on the package
13:01<duclicsic>they may simply not have support for ipv6 yet, so yeah file a bug
13:03<rno>ok thanks ! , will study those ...
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13:41<hade>hi, recently i installed my hd with debian stretch into another pc but now after loading grub it takes ~ 1min or more to get to the password prompt for the encrypted hd, swapping hds was never an issue before, any ideas what could be the reason?
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13:51<moz>hade: you could try to regenerate the initramfs
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13:53<pdo_fn14>Oh man, I need to type "nm-applet" everytime when using my USB Modem, how lame. :(
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13:59<retrospectacus>you never "need" to use nm-applet. It can be very handy though
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14:02<hade>moz: that didnt work, also if i boot the hd from usb instead of sata it "just" takes ~30 sec
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14:02<pdo_fn14>retrospectacus, what do you mean?. I need it to connect my SIM card to my provider.
14:03<retrospectacus>nm-applet just runs commands. You could run them yourself if you can figure out what they are. I wouldn't bother
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14:04<grawity>it doesn't run commands, it uses direct IPC
14:04<grawity>but, if you want commands, `nmcli` and `nmtui` are convenient
14:04<grawity>...as long as you don't have to configure VPNs
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14:06<pdo_fn14>Dunno too, I need to connect my provider, I always use nm-applet, never be with command.
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14:06<pdo_fn14>But suddenly it's always get killed when I click it.
14:07*pdo_fn14 Debian jessie MATE flavor.
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14:16<michael_>hello
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14:18<michael_>can someone tell me what this means: [ 41.192224] rtl8723be: Using firmware rtlwifi/rtl8723befw.bi | [ 41.301097] rtl8723be 0000:03:00.0: firmware: failed to load rtlwifi/rtl8723befw.bin (-2) | [ 41.302700] rtl8723be 0000:03:00.0: Direct firmware load for rtlwifi/rtl8723befw.bin failed with error -2
14:19<towo`>it means, firmware can't be loaded
14:19<grawity>this means you don't have those firmware files
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14:19<grawity>-2 being -ENOENT ("No such file or directory")
14:20<michael_>all these files are there.
14:20<michael_>could it be looking in the wrong place, Is that something I can set?
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14:22<retrospectacus>judd: file rtlwifi/rtl8723befw.bin
14:23<judd>Search for rtlwifi/rtl8723befw.bin in jessie/amd64: firmware-realtek: lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8723befw.bin
14:23<retrospectacus>you installed jessie/non-free firmware-realtek ?
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14:28<michael_>I have the non-free parameters set in my setup files, as well as backport and non-free. mlocate finds all these files in what appears to be the right places.
14:29<michael_>I removed the package and did another apt-get to be sure.
14:29<michael_>I don't know what I'm missing
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14:33<towo`>what kernel?
14:35<retrospectacus>`lspci -nn|grep 10ec:b723` shows your wlan device?
14:40<michael_>it shows this: Network controller [0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter [10ec:b723]
14:43<michael_>the kernel is 4.8
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14:48<retrospectacus>firmware-realtek from jessie-backports/non-free should support that. Install -t jessie-backports firmware-realtek. You did this before?
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14:48<retrospectacus>doh
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15:51<noth>hey. I ve installed debian on luks using lvm system and now i want to create a second partition using windows 7( i need for a job and virtual box isnt suficient for my needs). Will there be any compormise in my security since i ll propably need to decrypt my encrypted partiotion before i can use grub bootloader and boot to windows? furthermore is there any chance that i wont be able to recover bootloader afte
15:51<noth>r instalation? thank you for your time.
15:51<noth>NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
15:51<noth>sda 8:0 0 465.8G 0 disk
15:51<noth>├─sda1 8:1 0 243M 0 part /boot
15:51<noth>├─sda2 8:2 0 1K 0 part
15:51<noth>└─sda5 8:5 0 347.3G 0 part
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15:54<noth>info about by hard drive partition http://paste.debian.net/908154
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16:26<aadeg>Hello
16:26<urzo>I'm looking for something to manage certain disk files for me. I'm in the habit of leaving downloaded files around until i need to recover space. I usually go to the large downloads in order to recover space with less effort. This leaves me with lots of little downloaded files that are never worth the effort to delete. I want some kind of fifo for ephemeral downloaded data.
16:27<urzo>not neccessarily a fifo
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16:27<urzo>something that uses heuristics to decide what i consider least interesting would be cool
16:27<aadeg>I have a problem with download a packet using apt-get. Someone can help me?
16:27<urzo>i'll try
16:27<urzo>shoot
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16:28<aadeg>I'm running debina jessie
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16:28<aadeg>and i would like to install this packet https://packages.debian.org/stretch/megatools
16:29<urzo>well, the general idea is to try two things
16:29<aadeg>But if I run apt-get install megatools, it say "Unable to locate package"
16:29<urzo>okay
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16:29<urzo>well it's unable to find it because it is in stretch, not jessie
16:29<urzo>dunno if you realized that
16:30<urzo>in this sort of situation, i would check jessie-backports
16:30<urzo>to see if somebody has backported the package to jessie
16:30<urzo>that's usually not the case
16:31<aadeg>Oh sorry, I didn't realized. I'm newbi with Debian and i already have to understand a lot of things
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16:31<urzo>well stretch is the next version of debian
16:31<urzo>not jessie
16:31<urzo>you have current stable
16:31<urzo>you can still probably install that package though
16:31<annadane>https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
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16:33<urzo>a lot of packages in stretch are simply newer versions of the software and "backporting" is merely a build-from-source operation without any special gotcha
16:35<aadeg>Thank you very much... So I have to install the program using the souce code. Thanks
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16:59<user>hi. i need some support
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17:01<Guest213>i have two hard disks and one with win7. when I choose win7 it tells me that something is broken and I should use the win dvd to repair. but this doesnt help
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18:50<apestate>anybody wanna help me set this up? I got it installed but no mouse, no wifi. i'm in a terminal window
18:51<awal1>this?
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18:52<apestate>yeah I see how I really should have specified. debian jesse
18:53<awal1>explain what you have done and what you want to do if you need help
18:53<awal1>dpkg: tell apestate about bat
18:53<awal1>dpkg: tell apestate about ask
18:54<apestate>I installed it and I would like it to have a functioning mouse and wifi
18:54<apestate>i'm in a terminal window
18:54<musca>it?
18:54<apestate>yeah debian
18:55<apestate>no lan, no internet. no mouse. just a cinnamon desktop
18:55<apestate>and an open terminal window. again, in debian.
18:55<awal1>no mouse?
18:55<apestate>mouse is not working in debian, correct
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18:56<apestate>the machine is a laptop with a touchpad and it is not working in debian
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18:57<apestate>I have a terminal window open, if we can get the touchpad running I might be able to do something.
18:57<apestate>in debian.
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19:00<apestate>I also checked the laptop's fn+ key to turn the touchpad on and off. that's not "it", meaning that's not the solution. In debian. which means I was able to get the other Fn+ keys to do their assorted functions, but the touchpad is still not responding
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19:02<retrospectacus>what kind of laptop?
19:02<apestate>new acer
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19:02<apestate>god damnit I fucking can't believe mint is the only thing that works out of the box
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19:08<musca>backports.d.o has it all, new kernel, newer cinnamon 3.0, libreoffice http://imgur.com/XafUstA
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19:11<Guest222>I am tying to use my gpg NitroKey Pro in testing. The nitrokey-app is in the main repos. When I start nitrokey-app from shell I see this...
19:11<Guest222>(nitrokey-app:17889): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: /build/glib2.0-m2w47E/glib2.0-2.50.2/./gobject/gsignal.c:2523: signal 'child-added' is invalid for instance '0x55b26b448120' of type 'GtkMenu'
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19:12<Guest222>what does that mean? I can not connect to my key by the way if I am not root... not doing that
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19:42<ecc>I have a portable embedded system that has no battery-backed RTC. It usually has wifi access to the internet, so it runs ntp to get the time. But occasionally it has to boot without a network connection, and in that case ntpd seems to be picking a time that's about 3 months ago. Anyone know how it's doing that, precisely?
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19:43<ecc>Also, I'd like to be able to tell when it does that, so I can write a script for some kind of Plan B
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19:45<urzo>it should be easy enough to detect no network
19:46<urzo>i think i would configure the ntp to happen as part of the network-up process
19:46<urzo>and have it in bad-time mode until then
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19:47<urzo>does it have persistent storage?
19:49<urzo>i think ntpd should not even run until the network comes up
19:50<ecc>The system has persistent storage, but ntpd is started by systemd (via /etc/init.d/ntp it seems, so maybe it's not waiting for networking to be up?)
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19:55<urzo>what verion of ntp package?
19:56<urzo>i see an issue that affected < 1:4.2.4p0+dfsg-1
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21:45<Guest238> how do i unpack tor
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22:24<[alyssa]>I'm almost positive this is a known issue (at least on the Ubuntu side of things), but I can't seem to fix: GNOME not showing the battery status unless it was charging on bootup
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22:27<[alyssa]>that being said, it appears the problem is deeper than GNOME (or maybe even debian); $ acpi has the same issue
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22:34<[alyssa]>...and a kernel update made the problem disappear.
22:35<[alyssa]>Normally I'd be intrigued, but honestly, I'm not quesiton it :)
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