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02:07<Beowulf>Hi, I've been trying to install pepperflashplugin for chromium, but it's always exiting with an error. Whenever I run "sudo update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install", I always get "mv: cannot stat 'unpackchrome/opt/google/chrome/PepperFlash/libpepflashplayer.so': No such file or directory" at the end
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02:08<White_Zin>Hello
02:09<White_Zin>Can anyone help me with cloaks?
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02:09<jm_>you mean oftc cloaks?
02:10<White_Zin>Yes :)
02:10<Beowulf>When I try running the "--status" parameter, it gives me an empty flash player version with the following error:
02:10<Beowulf>WARNING: W: GPG error: http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A040830F7FAC5991 NO_PUBKEY 1397BC53640DB551
02:10<jm_>Beowulf: try running it with sh -x and see where it fails - there seems to be a bug report already but it's missing details, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=840779
02:10<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/840779 in pepperflashplugin-nonfree (open): «/usr/sbin/update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree: Fail to update»; severity: important; opened: 2016-10-14; last modified: 2016-10-14.
02:11<jm_>ahh so check if that repository has a new key or whatever, or add one if you don't have it yet
02:11<twb>pepperflashplugin-nonfree is broken by changes to how Google Chrome distributes flash
02:12<Beowulf>jm_, I ran this: http://askubuntu.com/a/599149
02:12<twb>That bug has some notes on how to download a version from adobe, but it's obviously not curated or signed so it's riskier
02:13<Beowulf>twb, i need a later version that what's offered by adobe
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02:13<twb>Beowulf: I think that askubuntu link is talking about a separate issue, which was when Google changed their apt repo signing key with little notice
02:13<jm_>does apt-key list the relevant key now?
02:14<twb>The key issue went away many months ago IIRC
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02:14<twb>Beowulf: IIRC the version on the adobe website is kinda hidden
02:14<Beowulf>jm_, "apt-key list google" lists both keys from https://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/
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02:16<Beowulf>jm_, I still get the "public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A040830F7FAC5991 NO_PUBKEY 1397BC53640DB551" message. Those keys in the message bear no resemblance to the keys on the website
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02:16<twb>My preferred solution is to just stop shipping flash, because it's horrible and only needed for backcompat with some broken video lecture stuff
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02:17<Beowulf>twb, my school's website uses flash, so it's kind of necessary for me
02:17<twb>You should file a bug report with your school
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02:18<Beowulf>twb, it's a problem with flash, not the school
02:18<jm_>Beowulf: so I've checked and twb is right, the latest chrome.deb no longer includes /opt/google/chrome/PepperFlash/libpepflashplayer.so so it will fail even if you fix the gpg error
02:19<twb>Beowulf: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Flash#Criticisms
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02:20<Beowulf>jm_, so how can I get flash working on chromium? afaik, only pepper works on chromium
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02:21<jm_>Beowulf: beats me, maybe search the net to find a solution
02:22<jm_>or use chrome :P
02:23<Beowulf>jm_, how does chrome differ from chromium except for closed source bits?
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02:24<jm_>Beowulf: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/master/docs/chromium_browser_vs_google_chrome.md
02:24<twb>Ah OK from 13 Dec 2016 someone already changed pepperflashplugin-nonfree (in Sid, not in Jessie) to download from adobe.com instead of google.com
02:25<Beowulf>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=841373
02:25<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/841373 in pepperflashplugin-nonfree (open): «mv: cannot stat 'unpackchrome/opt/google/chrome/PepperFlash/libpepflashplayer.so': No such file or directory»; severity: critical; opened: 2016-10-20; last modified: 2016-11-22.
02:25<jm_>it's a good thing flash will die soon
02:25<twb>I tell a lie that patch is not actually released, it is just in the BTS
02:26<twb>yeah the right way to fix this is to upgrade Beowulf's school to use HTML5 video
02:26<Beowulf>twb, this isn't for video, it's for transcript reports
02:26<twb>Oh OK. I do not know what is best, then
02:26<Beowulf>twb, so I just add nonfree to sid and install pepperflashplugin-nonfree/unstable?
02:27<twb>Beowulf: you could try it but I do not know if it will work
02:27<twb>Huh, firefox will actually rewrite websites that use flash-only youtube to instead be HTML5 youtube
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02:28<Beowulf>twb, nope. unstable and testing use the same version
02:28<twb>Beowulf: sorry I assumed you used stable, because this channel is for stable
02:29<twb>Beowulf: #debian-next is where to ask if you use testing
02:29<Beowulf>ahh ok
02:29<Beowulf>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=pepperflashplugin-nonfree
02:30<Beowulf>seems my problem applies to stable too
02:30<twb>yes
02:30<jm_>yes it does, I just tried it
02:31<jm_>that's why I said what I said about the problem and gpg key
02:31<Beowulf>so, as of right now, the only way to fix the bug is wait for a fix?
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02:34<jm_>well or do what the script does manually
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02:36<twb>https://wiki.debian.org/Flash
02:40<Beowulf>jm_, how would i find the script? "which update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree" doesn't work
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02:40<jm_>Beowulf: it does if you run it as root, but I can tell you it's in /usr/sbin - what it generally does is download the deb and unpack it then copy files from it and the problem is the file is no longer there
02:41<jm_>you can see what it's doing if you run sh -x /usr/sbin/update...
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02:44<Beowulf>jm_, what about using http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/?
02:45<Beowulf>there is an ubuntu version, which i'm willing to try, but it has an apt url
02:45<jm_>Beowulf: twb said that newer version of the script downloads from there so it looks like this is the only solution
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02:47<Beowulf>the download url is "apt:adobe-flashplugin?channel=$distro-partner". how do i get firefox to interpret it correctly?
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02:47<twb>install ubuntu :P
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02:48<Beowulf>oh god
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02:48<Beowulf>not happening lol
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02:50<jm_>you can also get .tar.gz
02:51<Beowulf>jm_, but i wouldn't know how to set it up
02:52<Beowulf>https://wiki.debian.org/AptProtocol#Package_providing_apt:.2F.2F_Protocol
02:53<Beowulf>looks like apturl support is not supported anymore in debian
02:53<jm_>Beowulf: you would cp .so to where the script copies it to
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03:01<Beowulf>jm_, that worked. thx
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03:02<Beowulf>you too, twb
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03:04<jm_>no problem
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03:23<mtcj>Why was apturl support removed? Seems like a nice thing.
03:23<mtcj>Though I admit I like never used it
03:24<mtcj>Never mind. The Debian wiki addresses that. It might not have ever been included.
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03:56<m_robot>how can i install git on debian
03:56<m_robot>?
03:56<TotallyNotKim>uhm
03:56<TotallyNotKim>apt-get install git
03:56<TotallyNotKim>?
03:56<m_robot>okay..
03:56<m_robot>gut bt i get some error
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03:56<TotallyNotKim>did you ran apt-get update ?
03:56<TotallyNotKim>otherwise error in a paste
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04:15<nikos>I forgot to add --dry-run to rsync and triggered the equivalent of rm -rf * on / as a normal user. Other than drives mounted that I have write permission to and my home directory, is there anywhere else I should check for damage?
04:15<m_robot>i have registered my nickname on freenode bt i forgot the password how can i retirve that?
04:15<grawity>m_robot: /msg nickserv help sendpass
04:16<m_robot>what should happen after that?
04:16<m_robot>i did this?
04:16<m_robot>will i recieve it in my email?
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04:18<nauty>running jessie ... up to date ... just noticed Nuatilus Ctl+H gives Gnome Help. How to list hidden files then?
04:18<m_robot>i have registered my nickname on freenode bt i forgot the password how can i retirve that?
04:20<grove>m_robot: This channel is on OFTC ou might get more help on freenode, but read what NickServ says about sendpass
04:20<TotallyNotKim>nikos: stuff in /usr and your home folder could be rekt
04:20<TotallyNotKim>if you have a backup you could check against witht the file list
04:21<m_robot>how to change the server?
04:22<TotallyNotKim>why owuld you want that?
04:23<m_robot>i am on oftc ..i want to go on freenode?
04:23<m_robot>what is the difference btw server?
04:23<m_robot>why use oftc and not freenode?
04:24<nauty>oops ...the file browser is not Nautilus ..it's called Files ...how to list hidden files?
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04:24<nikos>TotallyNotKim: everything under /usr seems to be owned by root, I don't think any user writable files should be under there?
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04:25<TotallyNotKim>be shareable between various FHS-compliant hosts and must not be written to.
04:25<TotallyNotKim>u'r right
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04:28<m_robot>how can i shift between servers
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04:29<TotallyNotKim>m_robot: define between servers. If you want to connect to a host oft the oftc directly
04:29<TotallyNotKim>arggh fck off
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04:29<grove>m_robot: That depends on what IRC client you use. OFTC and freenode are different IRC networks, the differences aren't huge, and there's a #debian cheannl on both (but irc.debian.org points here)
04:29<TotallyNotKim>inpatient folks
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04:37<nauty>echo $PATH gives '/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games' ...I want to add /opt/seamonkey - how bet?
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04:41<jm_>depends on which shell you use
04:41<nauty>jm_: bash
04:42<jm_>nauty: then probably ~/.bashrc
04:42<m_robot>set irc.server.freenode.autoconnect on
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04:43<nauty>jm_: append path to '/opt/seamonkey' ?
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04:43<jm_>nauty: I don't think I understand what you are asking me
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04:44<jm_>ahh you mean how to change PATH to include that? export PATH=$PATH:/opt/seamonkey
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04:48<nauty>I can confirm that CTL+H for Gnome Files pops up Gnome Help. But that is the key sequence listed in the pull down menu in Gnome Files - that's wrong
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04:51<p0rk0ff>hi all, how can i execute somme commands before and after an upgrade/dist-upgrade automatically?
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05:00<nauty>how do i make icon for seamonkey installed in /opt appear on the lancher tab?
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05:05<nikos>nauty: if there isn't already, you need to make a .desktop file for it in .local/share/applications Look in /usr/share/applications/ for example desktop files
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05:08<nauty>nikos: I see the .desktop file there ... but how make it appear in the launcher tab?
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05:10<nmschulte>I've been running into an issue w/ Chromium and my video driver (it seems) lately; Chromium will stopp painting entirely, unless I switch vtty and back, then it paints. Additionally, I've had X crash quite a number of times due to what seems to be chromium interaction.
05:10<nmschulte>Anyone else noticing this?
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05:12<p0rk0ff>nauty, what is the launcher tab? you should specify your environment
05:12<nauty>gnome
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05:12<mtcj>Is anyone familiar with downloading a Windows 10 image while on a non-Windows machine? I'm not seeing options other than BitTorrent etc, which is one of my least preferred methods.
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05:15<p0rk0ff>mtcj, and how this relates to #debian?
05:15<mtcj>Because I'm using Debian to accomplish the task.
05:16<mtcj>No different than if I asked if people had suggestions for downloading anything else if Linux had issues doing it.
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05:17<p0rk0ff>mtcj, nope, you question is what method of downloading offers microsoft for windows10 other than torrent
05:17<p0rk0ff>it's not your debian having issues with it...
05:18<mtcj>No my question is how to download it on Linux.
05:18<mtcj>As I know how to do it on Windows.
05:18<mtcj>Also if you don't want to be involved in the discussion, protip: don't. If others feel the same way, the question will go away faster.
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05:23<p0rk0ff>mtcj, i dont want to keep this for long... and i was not trying to be unfriendly
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05:24<mtcj>You succeeded at it nonetheless
05:24<p0rk0ff>anyways your last sentence misses the point totally
05:25<p0rk0ff>as this is a community space, so the point is not whether i'm interested to your question, but if the question fits this space
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05:26<mtcj>And the absolute, without question, most effective way to keep people from discussing things that aren't on topic is to ignore them.
05:26<p0rk0ff>and me as well as you have all the right to discuss about it to keep this place the way its intended to be
05:27<p0rk0ff>mtcj, did you prefere me ignoring you rather than discuss together?
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05:29<twb>p0rk0ff: re you apt question, there is Dpkg::Pre-Invoke and ::Post-Invoke, not sure about apt
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05:39<p0rk0ff>twb, thanks i see... im trying to understand how to make that happen just for (dist-)upgrade actions
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06:14<naught>how do i make .desktop icon in ~/.local/share/applications come up in jessie gnome launcher panel (the panel slides in and out from left)?
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06:22<naught>how do i make .desktop icon in ~/.local/share/applications come up in jessie gnome launcher panel (the panel slides in and out from left)?
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06:24<twb>naught: that should be automatic
06:25<twb>naught: in XFCE, the panel must be restarted. I do not know about GNOME.
06:25<twb>naught: pastebin your .desktop and I'll check for any obvious missing settings
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06:25<twb>naught: here is an example that works in XFCE: http://sprunge.us/Iffh?ini
06:25<naught>twb: the software is Seamonkey ...manually installed ie, not via apt..restarted the system in frustartion
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06:26<twb>!iceape
06:26<dpkg>Iceape Internet Suite is an unbranded <SeaMonkey> suitable for free distribution. Security support for Iceape has ended in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" (DSA 2819-1), the iceape packages were removed at the <7.4> and <6.0.9> point releases (Debian bug #732314). Debian recommends migrating to <iceweasel> and <icedove> for web browsing and mail functions.
06:26<naught>twb: gui is Gnome
06:26<twb>naught: I can only tell you about XFCE, but I guess GNOME is similar
06:26<naught>twb: is iceape exact same codebase as seamonkey?
06:27<twb>naught: I think it's a moot point because iceape was removed because of security problems
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06:28<jm_>you want thunderbird or what?
06:28<jm_>ahh no seamonkey is more than that
06:29<twb>seamonkey is the original netscape browser+MUA codebase
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06:29<jm_>yeah just read about it
06:29<twb>Most people probably don't care and just use ff and icedove
06:30<jm_>indeed
06:30<naught>twb: I am forced to support someone still using seamonkey for web authoring ...worse is there had been a very recent update (2.46) .. seamonkey is old Netscape suite... doesn't even support external stylesheets but is spawning new revisions and there are old school web authors still use it)
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06:30<twb>Yuk
06:30<twb>even worse for CREATING content in it
06:31<twb>you should trap that user in an ice dungeon
06:31<naught>if installing firefox-dev-tools , an overkill for this web author, it is still similar manual install that needs to be done
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06:38<mtcj>Seamonkey haha...
06:39<naught>twb: is there an ice* something that can edit plain html that you know of...out of desperation i searched for iceDngeon :))
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06:39<naught>mtcj: there was a christmas update too ...
06:40<twb>naught: dunno sorry, I am a grumpy old man and on the rare occasions I edit HTML directly, I do it with emacs
06:40<naught>twb: then you need Firefox Developer Edition
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12:37<Toordog>Hi, what tools are available for debian to manage a large scale infrastructure (in term of inventory, management, central authentication ... similar to what Satellite does for RedHat by example).
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13:00<mtn>Toordog: would any of these links be of use to you? https://www.google.com/search?q=alternatitves+to+redhat+satellite&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
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13:04<Toordog>not really, cannot really use katello, spacewalk with debian
13:04<Toordog>neither FreeIPA
13:04<Toordog>is there Debian based tools that aim to provides similar features?
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13:06<mtn>Toordog: so, you want debian specific software? not sure what that would be, since linux is linux and most any linux software will run on any linux
13:07<jelly>spacewalk was supposed to have some limited support, wasn't it
13:08<jelly>mtn: no, linux is not linux when you need functionality that relies heavily or package manager and distro specific functionality
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13:08<jelly>s/ or / on /
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13:09<jelly>freeipa and sssd stuff is present in debian, tho
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13:43<jhutchins>Toordog: Satellite is a set of different tools tied together in one interface. The seperate tools can be adapted to use in Debian.
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13:56<lok[m]>Anyone live?
13:56<tomcres>hello :-)
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13:57<lok[m]>Hi you used debian on tablet?
13:57<lok[m]>tomcres:
13:57<tomcres>No. Only on desktop/server.
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13:58<niggle>hello
14:00<Echoz>lok[m]: I have
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14:13<raf0>hi, is it possible to install ubuntu's software installer on blackbox linux (since it's based off ubuntu)?
14:13<lok[m]>Echoz: how
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14:13<lok[m]>Faced driver issue?
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14:14<Echoz>lok[m]: no, but it's a 2-in-1 sort of tablet. a ThinkPad X220T
14:15<Echoz>the biggest problems i faced using it as a tablet with gnome was the screen rotation that didn't always work with both the wacom input and the capacitive touch screen, and that the on-screen keyboard was very unreliable and didn't provide a way to be opened manually
14:15<lok[m]>Echoz: I need your help to use Linux in iball i701 tablet
14:15<Echoz>lok[m]: what kind of issues are you facing?
14:15<blast007>raf0: you mean backbox linux?
14:16<blast007>!backbox
14:16<dpkg>BackBox Linux is a distribution based on <Ubuntu>, developed to perform penetration tests and security assessments. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.backbox.org/ #backbox on irc.autistici.org. See also <based on debian>.
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14:16<lok[m]>I would like to go for live Linux pen drive
14:16<Echoz>lok[m]: does the BIOS provide a way to boot from USB storage?
14:16<lok[m]>Echoz: I first need to know which are possible options/methods to use Linux on Windows device
14:17<lok[m]>Then I 'll pick best suitable for my case
14:17<lok[m]>How to check bios and USB boot?
14:17<Echoz>lok[m]: you'd have to read the manual or just plug in a usb drive and try booting through bios
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14:18<blast007>lok[m]: a Debian Live DVD can be written directly to an appropriately sized USB stick with some software like Win33DiskImager.
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14:19<blast007>I don't know if the Live DVDs offer UEFI booting, though
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14:20<blast007>if it's anything like my Z3735F mini PC, it may also have a 32-bit UEFI-only boot
14:20<Echoz>lok[m]: I read Asif's post on that site, is that you, i.e. your problem now or what?
14:21<lok[m]>It's iball i701 tablet
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14:21<lok[m]>Echoz: it's not my problem
14:21<lok[m]>But I am afraid of similar problem when I 'll perform Linux on tab
14:21<lok[m]>Can you explain me what's that issue
14:22<lok[m]>I want to get it solved before it occurs in my case
14:22<lok[m]>Kind of planning
14:22<blast007>how do we solve problems before we know what the problems are?
14:23<Echoz>lok[m]: I don't know, since he provided hardly any information, not even PCI IDs or names of the devices that didn't work
14:23<lok[m]>Most issues I came to know are related to drivers
14:23<lok[m]>So what's solution for it?
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14:23<lok[m]>https://www.desidime.com/forums/dost-and-dimes/topics/install-remix-os-use-android-apps-natively-on-iball-slide-i701-or-any-other-windows-based-device?page=2
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14:24<lok[m]>blast007: this is link he read
14:24<lok[m]>Everyone is complaining about drivers when Linux is installed on that tab
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14:24<Echoz>lok[m]: at this point i don't know what the problems are, just that there are problems. I don't have access to a device like that and I can't troubleshoot out of thin air :)
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14:25<raf0>@blast007 yes, i do
14:25<Echoz>lok[m]: however if you boot up Debian on it and you can actually provide useful information, i might be able to help you, given the drivers exist
14:25<blast007>raf0: read what dpkg said then
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14:26<lok[m]>Debian has touch and wi-fi drivers?
14:26<lok[m]>Camera drivers?
14:26<lok[m]>Bluetooth drivers?
14:26<lok[m]>USB ?
14:27<lok[m]>I think this is minimum requirement for any tablet
14:27<blast007>lok[m]: it has drivers for those kinds of things, sure - but the specific ones on your device, we have no idea
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14:27<lok[m]>Specific?
14:27<Echoz>lok[m]: there are tons of drivers for touch, wi-fi, cameras, bluetooth and USB. but note that there are many different devices that while serving much of the same purpose require different drivers
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14:27<lok[m]>I didn't get you
14:27<blast007>there isn't "a" wifi driver, there and many of them
14:27<blast007>are*
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14:28<blast007>so while Debian may support hundreds of different WiFi chips, yours may not be in that list, or it may require a newer kernel
14:28<lok[m]>Any of you tried lubuntu also?
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14:28<lok[m]>I have iso image for it really
14:28<lok[m]>Readily
14:28<blast007>and the installer would most likely need you to attach a USB keyboard as well
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14:29<lok[m]>So I can try it now thru USB drive
14:29<Echoz>lok[m]: for instance my desktop has a RTL8111/8168/8411 ethernet controller, while my hypervisor has a couple of NetXtreme II BCM5708s, these require different drivers, even though they essentially both just give me gigabit ethernet
14:29<lok[m]>I don't have debian ready
14:29<blast007>!firmware images
14:29<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>.
14:29<lok[m]>I think it will take time to download debian
14:30<Echoz>lok[m]: the basic ISO+non-free firmware is about 450 MB
14:30<Echoz>live one, that is
14:30<lok[m]>blast007: I don't have USB keyboard
14:30<blast007>live DVD won't run
14:30<blast007>afaik
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14:30<blast007>the installer should
14:30<lok[m]>Is it possible to avoid if someone help me over team viewer ?
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14:31<blast007>last I knew, the Live DVDs only supported legacy boot, so unless that has changed, it more than likely won't boot on that atom
14:31<blast007>how would we help you boot to a linux installer over teamviewer?
14:32<lok[m]>I am just guessing
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14:32<lok[m]>Idea
14:32<blast007>in any case, if you're wanting a Linux Live USB, you may need to look elsewhere for that.
14:32<lok[m]>I am not sure
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14:32<blast007>you'll need one that supports 32-bit UEFI
14:32<lok[m]>I think if it's connected over team viewer your keyboard can be used
14:33<lok[m]>Can you help me to find out any such Linux?
14:33<blast007>teamviewer is an application that runs on the computer. part of installing or booting linux is rebooting the computer... :)
14:33<lok[m]>blast007:
14:34<lok[m]>Which supports 32 bit uefi
14:34<Echoz>lok[m]: I could help you create a bootable over teamviewer but not booting or installing the OS
14:34<Echoz>*bootable USB drive
14:34<blast007>lok[m]: are you wanting to remove Windows from your tablet?
14:34<blast007>lok[m]: keep it in the channel, please
14:34<lok[m]>Echoz: that would be great help
14:34<lok[m]>My first step can be resolved
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14:34<Echoz>lok[m]: ok, let me boot my teamviewer computer first
14:34<blast007>lok[m]: are you wanting to remove Windows from your tablet?
14:35<lok[m]>blast007: no I want to retain Windows
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14:35<blast007>so how are you wanting to use linux then?
14:35<lok[m]>Okay
14:35<lok[m]>Let me ask this way
14:35<Echoz>lok[m]: does it have an SD card slot? that could possibly be a solution
14:36<lok[m]>Which are ways to use Linux on Windows device/machine?
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14:36<blast007>it does have an SD card slot
14:36<lok[m]>I 'll explore/see all options
14:36<blast007>but I still think he'll need a keyboard to install it
14:36<lok[m]>And pick one
14:37<lok[m]>Echoz: it has sd card slot; but I don't have spare card now
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14:37<blast007>so, basically you'd need a USB OTG adapter, a USB hub, a flash drive, a USB keyboard, and an SD card that doesn't have anything on it
14:37<lok[m]>I think I have wireless keyboard
14:37<lok[m]>I haven't opened that package yet
14:38<lok[m]>I bought it recently
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14:38<blast007>okay, so one piece down, 4 to go
14:39<lok[m]>blast007: USB drive or sd card; isn't it so instead of USB drive and as card
14:39<blast007>you'll probably want to make sure you have recovery media for Windows in case it goes bad, too
14:39<lok[m]>I have cable which can attach USB drive to tablet
14:39<blast007>lok[m]: you'd install from the USB to the SD
14:39<lok[m]>I have USB drive too
14:40<blast007>and a USB hub?
14:40<lok[m]>I don't have hub unfortunately
14:41<lok[m]>I know there's single port for charging and USB drive
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14:41<blast007>that's gonna be require to attach the USB stick and keyboard at the same time
14:41<blast007>required*
14:42<lwp>I thought he said he has a wireless KB ?
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14:43<lok[m]>https://www.google.co.in/amp/forums.windowscentral.com/ask-question/449702-recovery-system-image.html%3famp?client=ms-android-asus&espv=1
14:43<lok[m]>I posted this query
14:43<lok[m]>I couldn't understand yet answer
14:44<lok[m]>Anyone can simplify?
14:44<blast007>no disk included? no option to create recovery media in Windows?
14:44<lok[m]>lwp: lwp yes I have . Not tested yet. I 'll soon check
14:44<blast007>lwp: which probably has a USB dongle
14:45<lok[m]>blast007: I already created recovery disk too
14:45<blast007>if it's bluetooth it probably can't be used outside of the OS
14:45<lok[m]>I have 2 USB drives
14:45<lok[m]>One used for system image
14:45<lok[m]>Another used for recovery drive
14:45<lok[m]>Now no more spare
14:46<lok[m]>blast007: I guess it's Bluetooth only as it's low end
14:46<blast007>why are you assuming it's bluetooth? can't you look at the box?
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14:47<lok[m]>Let me open
14:47<blast007>doesn't say on the outside?
14:47<lok[m]>Mk240
14:47<lok[m]>Combo
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14:48<lok[m]>Logitech
14:48<blast007>that has a USB dongle
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14:49<lok[m]>https://www.google.co.in/amp/forums.windowscentral.com/ask-question/449697-linux-windows.html%3famp?client=ms-android-asus&espv=1
14:49<lok[m]>This was another query
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14:49<blast007>so, assuming that system can boot from the SD card, you'd still need to get yourself a USB hub (to connect the flash drive and keyboard), another flash drive (for the Debian Installer) and an SD card (to install to)
14:50<lok[m]>Are there any wireless keyboard or mouse without USB dongle?
14:50<blast007>they're called bluetooth, and you likely can't use them for this
14:50<Echoz>lok[m]: yes, but they will not work without being set up in the OS first
14:50<Echoz>which incidentally requires a keyboard in the first place
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14:51<lok[m]>Is it possible to put system image and recovery of Windows8.1 on same USB drive?
14:53<Echoz>lok[m]: you could find some live system that can boot in 32 bit uefi and dd it over the network to a server/workstation
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14:53<lok[m]>Echoz: I am not much technical guy
14:53<lok[m]>And worst thing is I don't have pc
14:54<lok[m]>Otherwise I would not have installed team viewer in my tablet
14:54<Echoz>lok[m]: that can make things more difficult
14:54<lok[m]>I prefer to do things myself
14:54<lok[m]>But in this case I need someone continue help
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14:57<Echoz>lok[m]: you need help putting debian on a usb drive, is that right?
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14:58<blast007>he doesn't have any spare USB drives - both are holding data necessary for recovering Windows if this goes badly
14:58<lok[m]>Echoz: I need Linux
14:59<lok[m]>Whether it's debian or other I don't mind
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14:59<lok[m]>A guy on #PowerShell suggested me to use yumi
14:59<lok[m]>To merge two usb
15:00<Echoz>lok[m]: is it right what blast007 says, that you don't have any medium on which you could put linux on to?
15:00<Echoz>lok[m]: merge?
15:00<blast007>there's no guarantee the recovery media would work after that
15:01<blast007>so you might be left with a broken device with no way to fix it
15:01<lok[m]>Let Me ask him
15:01<blast007>you'd still need a USB hub
15:01<blast007>if you don't have that, continuing this conversating is pointless
15:01<lok[m]>Echoz: yes I am arranging to free up one drive
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15:02<lok[m]>blast007: it's not pointless
15:02<lok[m]>I am serious
15:02<lok[m]>I may note it down
15:02<lok[m]>All steps
15:02<blast007>step 1) buy USB hub
15:02<lok[m]>So when tomorrow morning I have hub I can perform
15:03<lok[m]>Okay
15:03<blast007>how long does the battery last?
15:03<lok[m]>2 hours
15:03<lok[m]>Approx
15:03<lok[m]>You mean powered hub?
15:03<lok[m]>Or simple USB hub?
15:03<blast007>I'm not entirely sure
15:04<Echoz>lok[m]: under what sort of usage? note that an installation will be much heavier due to use of the radio and decompressing packages
15:04<Echoz>radio if it's a netinstall, that won't be a factor if you have a complete image however
15:04<blast007>yeah, I'm worried it may not have enough battery capacity to be able to finish the install process
15:05<blast007>the images with firmware are netinst
15:06<Echoz>blast007: they also have live versions. I always keep one of those handy
15:06<blast007>this tablet cannot boot the Debian Live images
15:06<blast007>https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI#UEFI_support_in_live_images
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15:06<blast007>it's gonna be a 32-bit UEFI only boot, no legacy
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15:07<Echoz>blast007: damn this uefi thing. what good does it even do :)
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15:14<musca>Echoz: it lets you run operating system
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15:16<Echoz>musca: much like MBR, except with more problems
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15:21<lok[m]>Echoz: evenifhigh usage lasts 1.5hours
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15:23<lok[m]>blast007: so live debian is out of race?
15:23<blast007>yes
15:24<lok[m]>Lubuntu can?
15:24<blast007>the Debian installer images support UEFI, but not the live images
15:24<lok[m]>blast007: can you please help to check?
15:24<blast007>if you want to use Lubuntu, go ask them
15:24<blast007>!lubuntu
15:24<dpkg>Lubuntu is a derivative of <Ubuntu> with <LXDE>. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.lubuntu.net/ #lubuntu on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
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15:25<lok[m]>blast007: Is it possible on virtual box?
15:25<blast007>it should be painful enough running one OS on there, much less two
15:25<blast007>you've only got 1GB of RAM
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15:26<Echoz>lok[m]: should work fine, i run a few servers with only 256M
15:26<Echoz>obviously depends on what you are going to do
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15:27<lok[m]>Echoz: debian from virtual box?
15:27<Echoz>none of those servers run anything graphical
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15:28<blast007>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader possible option
15:28<Echoz>lok[m]: that works, but it's not what im doing, these servers are running in a hypervisor on a rack server
15:30<blast007>the debian installer ISO seems to include that. there's a setup.exe file on the disc.
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15:31<blast007>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/i386/iso-cd/firmware-8.6.0-i386-netinst.iso
15:32<blast007>or get this, and it probably downloads stuff for you: http://http.debian.net/debian/tools/win32-loader/stable/win32-loader.exe
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15:32<lok[m]>blast007: what should I click out of 3
15:32<lok[m]>I am confused
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15:33<blast007>win32-loader.exe
15:33<Echoz>blast007: maybe it uses the wubi thinkg that ubuntu used to have a few years ago (2008?)
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15:33<Echoz>which could be a way for lok[m] to run it
15:33<blast007>yeah, it's probably similar
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15:39<lok[m]>Should I go for 32 or 64bit one?
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15:41<blast007>probably 32
15:44<lok[m]>Why
15:44<lok[m]>Will it hang with 1gbram?
15:44<lok[m]>I guess my tablet supports 64 bit too
15:44<Echoz>hardly
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15:46<blast007>your tablet has a 64-bit CPU, but a 32-bit UEFI because they don't expect you to use a 64-bit OS with such little RAM.
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15:48<lok[m]>So at how many places but are defined?
15:48<lok[m]>1) cpu
15:48<lok[m]>2) bios/uefi
15:48<lok[m]>3) os
15:48<lok[m]>Am I missing 4 5 6 etc..?
15:48<lok[m]>So at how many places bit are defined?
15:50<lok[m]>Is it possible to install/put drivers on same USB drivers as where live Linux distribution is stored?
15:50<blast007>a 64-bit OS will use a bit more memory because some data types will be larger - so it would use more RAM and more disk
15:50<lok[m]>Is it possible to install/put drivers on same USB drive as where live Linux distribution is stored?
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15:52<blast007>it's not a live linux distribution
15:52<lok[m]>Debian-8.6.0-i386-netinst
15:52<blast007>it's installing it to a file on the Windows filesystem
15:52<lok[m]>Is downloaded
15:52<lok[m]>Now what to do?
15:53<blast007>did you download the file yourself?
15:53<lok[m]>Yes
15:53<blast007>I said to use win32-loader.exe
15:53<lok[m]>Anything wrong?
15:53<lok[m]>Oh I see
15:53<blast007>that will probably download stuff itself
15:54<lok[m]>blast007: so the file I downloaded will not work with box?
15:54<blast007>http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/tools/win32-loader/stable/win32-loader.txt <-- you can read about what it does
15:54<lok[m]>Vbox
15:54<blast007>I wasn't suggesting virtualbox
15:55<lok[m]>In my mind vbox was playing
15:55<lok[m]>Ok
15:55<blast007>win32-loader.exe installs Debian to a file on your Windows partition, and then you (in theory) get a option when you start the computer to either boot to Windows or to Debian
15:55<blast007>(which will need a keyboard attached to pick)
15:56<lok[m]>My tab don't have partitions think
15:56<lok[m]>I think
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15:56<lok[m]>Like c or d or r drive
15:56<blast007>it has at least one, for windows :)
15:56<lok[m]>E drive
15:56<lok[m]>Yes
15:56<lok[m]>One is there
15:56<blast007>win32-loader.exe just makes a big file on there
15:56<lok[m]>Is it sufficient?
15:57<lok[m]>Will it work with w8.1?
15:57<blast007>I don't know, I've never tried
15:57<lok[m]>Can you please check for me?
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15:57<lok[m]>From some documents?
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15:58<lok[m]>Echoz: will it work for w8.1?
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15:58<lok[m]>I am curious what's use of file I downloaded just now?
15:59<Echoz>lok[m]: I know no more than you, frankly I don't even know what the win32-loader.exe is
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16:07<lok[m]>blast007: it's small file 1.38mb
16:07<lok[m]>Right?
16:07<lok[m]>Done
16:08<lok[m]>Downloaded
16:08<blast007>I don't know. I don't use this method.
16:08<lok[m]>This program doesn't support Windows 6.2.9200 sp0 yet
16:08<lok[m]>Error when run that file
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16:10<lok[m]>blast007:
16:10<lok[m]>Any other way out?
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16:13<blast007>then try virtualbox
16:14<lok[m]>How?
16:14<lok[m]>I am afraid
16:14<lok[m]>Can you take into team viewer mode?
16:14<blast007>no
16:14<blast007>https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/index.html.en
16:14<Echoz>lok[m]: I could set up virtualbox for you over teamviewer
16:15<lok[m]>Echoz: pm
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16:37<xxx>sup?
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16:37<tomcres>hello
16:38<xxx>just install parrot on a shitty system
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16:53<jhutchins>lok[m]: The Linux System Administrator's Guide is an excellent general resource: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html
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16:58<beatsteak>I'm interested in the information contained in the control files of all packages. What's the easiest/most straight forward way to have all control files available locally?
17:03<beatsteak>...not necessarily the files but the information stored in those files
17:04<ansgar>Download all packages and extract the control.tar member of the .debs? :)
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17:06<beatsteak>Aren't these files/the info available somewhere else?
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17:15<lok[m]>What's partot
17:15<lok[m]>Parrot
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17:16<p0rk0ff>beatsteak, maybe the files in /var/lib/apt/lists/ ?
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17:19<beatsteak>It's basically the info aptitude show displays, even if the packet was not downloaded
17:20<p0rk0ff>(i mean *_Packages ones)
17:20<beatsteak>bingo
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17:21<beatsteak>p0rk0ff, thank you
17:21<p0rk0ff>yw
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17:46<awal1>lok[m], any debian question just ask
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17:48<awal1>dpkg: parrotos
17:48<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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17:58<Echoz>Hello!
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20:04<Toordog>jhutchins the open source tools forming Satellite, would be missing one important part, the capacity to see the whole inventory with packages installed on each host, capacity to search to know which server has a specific package installed and so on .
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22:48-!-fstd_ is "fstd" on #gentoo #linuxfs #gcc #awesome #oftc #vserver #suckless #osm #linode #debian #kernelnewbies
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22:56-!-Delta-One is "Patrick Franz" on #debian-next #debian.se #debian-nordic #debian #debian-kde
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23:10-!-azamat is "realname" on #debian-games #debian-br #debian
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23:48-!-ol is "Ol" on #debian
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23:51-!-synerx is "realname" on #debian
23:55-!-tdy1 [~tdy@host-5-184.ilur711elm.urbana.il.us.clients.pavlovmedia.com] has joined #debian
23:55-!-tdy1 is "tdy" on #debian #awesome
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---Logclosed Sat Jan 14 00:00:01 2017