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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-01-23

---Logopened Mon Jan 23 00:00:13 2017
00:02-!-steakwipe [~steakwipe@00025337.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian
00:02-!-steakwipe is "ray" on #openbox #oftc #globaleaks #debian-games #debian-gnome #moocows #debian-offtopic #tor-project #tor #debian #debian-next
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00:03-!-txgvnn is "txgvnn" on #debian-hurd @#debian-vn #debian
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00:09-!-ahare_ is "Andt Hare" on #debian #smuxi
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00:22-!-AlexLikeRock is "AlexLikeRock" on #debian-l10n-spanish #debian-hurd #debian-es #debian
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00:28-!-Fin is "New Now Know How" on #debian
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00:31-!-Strife1989 is "Michael Carr" on #debian #debian-next
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00:39-!-Heston is "blah" on #debian
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00:40-!-ol is "Ol" on #debian
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00:43-!-jm_ is "." on #debian #debian-ops
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00:43-!-towo^work is "Torsten -towo- Wohlfarth" on #kernelnewbies #siduction-dev #siduction-de #siduction #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian #aptosid
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00:47<luhnquant>hi
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01:08-!-debalance is "Philipp Huebner" on #debian-devel-changes #debian-qa #debian-kde #debian
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01:09-!-Q-Master^Work is "Vladimir Berezenko" on #debianppc #debian-next #debian
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01:18-!-AlexLikeRock is "AlexLikeRock" on #debian-l10n-spanish #debian-hurd #debian-es #debian
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01:26-!-L0rD` is "anon" on #tor-project #tor-de #tor #tails #otr #nottor #linux.de #https-everywhere #debian #cryptodotis
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01:41-!-cpaelzer is "Christian Ehrhardt" on #debian #debian-qemu
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01:45-!-AlexLikeRock is "AlexLikeRock" on #debian #debian-es #debian-hurd #debian-l10n-spanish
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01:49-!-JanC_ is "Jan Claeys" on #apparmor #debian #debian-derivatives #debian-nl #epfsug #ext4 #linuxfs #linux-nfs #quodlibet #debian-fonts #bcache
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01:59-!-platvoeten is "Platvoeten" on #debian-kde #debian
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02:24-!-amacater is "Andrew M.A. Cater" on #debian-hams #debian-arm #debian-cd #debian-efi #debian
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02:27-!-narcan is "Denis Briand" on #debian-mentors #debian-next #debian-offtopic #debian-france #debian
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02:29-!-fstd_ is "fstd" on #gentoo #linuxfs #gcc #awesome #oftc #vserver #suckless #osm #linode #debian #kernelnewbies
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02:33-!-txgvnn1 is "txgvnn" on #debian-hurd #debian-vn #debian
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02:41-!-arturo is "Arturo Borrero Gonzalez" on @#debian-netfilter #debian-ftp #debian-devel-es #debian-ha #debian-mentors #debian-qa #debian-next #debian-es #debian
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02:47-!-chele is "chele" on #debian-next #debian
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02:50-!-skitt is "Stephen Kitt" on #debian-ftp #debian
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02:57-!-fstd_ is "fstd" on #gentoo #linuxfs #gcc #awesome #oftc #vserver #suckless #osm #linode #debian #kernelnewbies
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02:57-!-AlexLikeRock is "AlexLikeRock" on #debian #debian-es #debian-hurd #debian-l10n-spanish
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03:25-!-AzaToth is "Carl Fürstenberg" on #debian-perl #debian-mentors #debian
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03:36-!-jmux is "Jan-Marek Glogowski" on #debian
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04:49<nuts007>helloo
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04:57<nuts007>it's so quaiet. too quaiet
04:58<nuts007>quiet - sorry spelling is off
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05:02<babilen>nuts007: Do you require help with Debian or are you looking for a place to chat?
05:02<nuts007>loged in to help people
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05:34<grove>crash: I'm waiting for the full freeze in february, but I guess #debian-next is a better channel for this (so I should join within he next weeks)
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05:42<Echoz>crash: i tried stretch yesterday, and my experience was beyond dissatisfactory, ymmv
05:44<Echoz>to summarize, i got a lot of errors when booting from the encrypted VG, it did work, though; networkmanager refused to connect to my AP after i set a static IP configuration; wacom input didn't rotate when i rotated the display
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05:45<Echoz>it was a fresh jessie install that i upgraded. went back to jessie right after and all of these things worked out of the box
05:46<Echoz>the wacom input is probably a kernel issue though, since it also suffers from this with a backported kernel
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06:03<crash>grove: thanks, i think i will wait a while longer until i upgrade from 8 to 9 then :)
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06:53<smitci>did any one know
06:54<smitci>how can ı change dns
06:54<smitci>in parrot sec.
06:54<dario25>Salve
06:54<smitci>Salve?
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06:56<dario25>Sono nuovo di Linux, ieri ho utilizzato Ubuntu in Live ma oggi voglio installare Debian direttamente in partizione, comunque ho bisogno di fare una cosa al terminale ma non riesco completamente, nella maniera più assoluta
06:56<dario25>Posso postare un link per far comprendere ciò che ho in mente di fare??
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06:59<Echoz>!it
06:59<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
07:00<grove>!parrotos
07:00<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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07:00<grove>Echoz: Oops, missed that
07:01<dario25>dpkg thank you! =)
07:01<dpkg>dario25: bitte
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07:03<goonieb>hello, one of my lvm groups takes ages to mount at startup and lvm metad is dead at tartup, any idea?
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07:10<oopsy>hello guys
07:10<oopsy>i'm a smartos user and recently we're all having issues upgrading udev on debian 8
07:11<oopsy>https://github.com/joyent/smartos-live/issues/596
07:11<oopsy>udev does not support containers, not started.
07:11<oopsy>insserv: Service udev has to be enabled to start service udev-finish
07:11<oopsy>insserv: exiting now!
07:11<oopsy>the whole upgrade is broken after that
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07:54<zathras>NFS is really old. So is most of the documentation. I cannot get it to work on Jessie. Is /etc/default/portmapper still needed? It no longer is on systems by default for instance
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07:54<zathras>quite some (nfs) kernel modules are loaded, yet I get complaints about a kernel not being compatible
07:55<zathras>any pointers appreciated
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08:24<r8qt7>Hi, any idea how to create a binary dep package if I have the original tar.gz tarball and the debian.tar.xz file?
08:24<r8qt7>do I have to unpack it before?
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08:28<w4nt>!why is php7 not in testing
08:28<dpkg>php7 is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=php7
08:28<abrotman>dpkg: tell r8qt7 about dpkg-buildpackage
08:29<abrotman>dpkg: tell r8qt7 about package recompile
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10:45<nCohmsky>Hello there.
10:45<nCohmsky>Anybody home?
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10:47<duclicsic>!ask
10:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:47<nCohmsky>Ok. XD
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10:48<nCohmsky>Yesterday I came with a question that ended up unresolved, I think people needed some sleep.
10:49<nCohmsky>The thing is, my Debian is failing to conect to the ftp server to check for updates.
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10:50<TotallyNotKim>post sources.list?
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10:50<grove>!bat
10:50<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
10:51<duclicsic>nCohmsky: do you mean you're running something like 'apt-get update' and it's failing to complete?
10:51<grove>(and don't assume the people active now knows what happened yesterday)
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10:52<nCohmsky>I don't, I'm sorry for sidetracking with a little of my backstory, I was going to talk about what was already discussed.
10:53<nCohmsky>But let me post first the sources.list and the rest of the requirements...
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10:55<nCohmsky>http://paste.debian.net/hidden/19fea5dc
10:56<nCohmsky>This is what I get when I try to run apt-get and apt dist-upgrade...
10:56<duclicsic>these are dns resolution failures
10:56<duclicsic>can you 'ping google.com' ?
10:56<grove>Does networking work at all on that machine?
10:57<grove>All those "Could not resolve" point at a much more fundamental problem with networking rather than with the apt setup
10:57<nCohmsky>The networking does, but the thing is,
10:58<nCohmsky>I cannot ping anything by name, just by its IP address.
10:58<duclicsic>nCohmsky: you likely don't have any dns servers configured
10:58<nCohmsky>How coukd we confirm that?
10:58<duclicsic>you pretty much already have
10:59<duclicsic>are you using NetworkManager or some similar graphical interface for configuring your network settings?
10:59<nCohmsky>Wow, great!
10:59<grove>nCohmsky: Show us your /etc/resolv.conf
10:59<lsass>https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Using_DHCP_to_automatically_configure_the_interface
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11:05<nCohmsky>I'm sorry for my delay, I was called.
11:06<nCohmsky>Man, my resolv.conf is BLANK!
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11:06<nCohmsky>Is it supposed to be that way? XD
11:06<duclicsic>no
11:07<nCohmsky>Jesus Christ. XD
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11:07<duclicsic>you need to either find what DNS servers are provided by your ISP, or use google/opendns nameservers
11:07<duclicsic>and put them in that file. 'man resolv.conf' will tell you all about it
11:07<duclicsic>but essentually you just need at least one line like this "nameserver A.B.C.D"
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11:08<duclicsic>where A.B.C.D is the address of a recursive resolver you're permitted to use
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11:09<duclicsic>if you can't find our the addresses for your ISPs DNS servers, just use 8.8.8.8 (google public DNS) for now.
11:10<nCohmsky>Let me use google's just to test if it will make apt-get working...
11:10<duclicsic>it should do
11:11<duclicsic>if you're configuring your network with a GUI application line NetworkManager this may get overwritten
11:11<duclicsic>like*
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11:15<nCohmsky>I guess it isn't as simple as writing "8.8.8.8" in the resolv.conf file, is it? XD
11:15<duclicsic>[16:07] < duclicsic> but essentually you just need at least one line like this "nameserver A.B.C.D"
11:16<tomcres>nCohmsky: just put this in there: nameserver 8.8.8.8
11:16<nCohmsky>so, "google.com 8.8.8.8"?
11:16<nCohmsky>Oh, ok.
11:16<duclicsic>no. literally "nameserver 8.8.8.8"
11:16<duclicsic>without the quotes
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11:17<duclicsic>i strongly advise having a skim through the man page. "man resolv.conf"
11:17<duclicsic>it will explain the other options, syntax, etc
11:17<duclicsic>but for now just that line should do
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11:18<nCohmsky>It yielded the same result :-/
11:19<nCohmsky>Wait.
11:19<nCohmsky>I'm just.dumb, give me a minute. XD
11:20<nCohmsky>Wrote the file in the wrong place.
11:20<duclicsic>well make sure you were also reading from the right place when you saw it was empty
11:21<nCohmsky>No it's ok, I didn't mess up that part. XD
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11:22<nCohmsky>IT WORKS!
11:22<nCohmsky>ITS ALIVE!
11:22<nCohmsky>LOVE YOU GUYS SO MUCH
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11:25<nCohmsky>So I just donate to Debian and we're cool?
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11:27<bighornram>I've lost my printer config in stretch using gnome. Can someone suggest where to reset this?
11:27<duclicsic>nCohmsky: we're cool as it is
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11:29<grove>bighornram: Questions about stretch goes in #debian-next
11:30<bighornram>grove: I'm there and there and I don't see much activity there. Thought maybe it is a gnome issue
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12:50<abd32>Hi. The full freeze is scheduled for 5 Feb. How long does it usually take from full freeze till new release? How long did it take in the last version? Thank you!
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13:10<GPenguin>abd32: a single release critical bug that can not be resolved of a package that is essential for the release can take a few hours till sa few months
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13:11<nChomsky>Hey... My resolv.conf file is having its contents erased automatically.
13:11<nChomsky>What the hey? XD
13:11<GPenguin>nChomsky: use network manager :)
13:11<nChomsky>Ok, I have it open...
13:12<abd32>GPenguin: but what is statistics till now - how long did it take in precious versions from full freeze to release?
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13:13<abd32>in previous versions....
13:15<nChomsky>I'm currently having to use write in Google's open dns "nameserver 8.8.8.8" to check for updates with apt-get... As soon as this operation is finished the resolv.conf gets deleted...
13:15<blast007>nChomsky: are you using /etc/network/interfaces to configure your network interfaces?
13:16<GPenguin>abd32: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases contains the release dates. then you can research in the mailing list archives of "debian-devel" or "-press" for the dates of the freezes and calculate your own stats
13:17<nChomsky>Nope, I just ran into this problem of connecting to the ftp mirror recently because the resolv.conf file was blank.
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13:17<nChomsky>I wrote in the google's DNS server and apt-get has resumed working.
13:17<blast007>nChomsky: what are you using to configure your network interfaces?
13:18<nChomsky>Nothing!I haven't touched anything :*(
13:19<nChomsky>There's installed Network Tools here.
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13:21<nChomsky>Should I paste the contents of /etc/network/interfaces here? XD
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13:26<abd32>GPenguin: I don't need exact statistics, just get feeling of what to expect... I need to setup a server in the near future and prefer to use stable Debian 9, but if it will take too long till the release - I'll have to settle down with Jessie... What to do?
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13:31<GPenguin>abd32: jessie is fully supported until june 2018. so you could go with that and wait till stretch is released and well tested and then upgrade
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13:41<nChomsky>Hello?
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13:44<SynrG>abd32: production server for work or for home/play?
13:45<abd32>SynrG: production
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13:45<SynrG>with luck, the eventual upgrade to stretch won't be too painful. install jessie now, and upgrade at your convenience after the first point release after stretch releases.
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14:01<nChomsky><nChomsky> Hey... My resolv.conf file is having its contents erased automatically.
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14:02<SynrG>nChomsky: this isn't an answer to your question, but i've noted that my resolv.conf is periodically corrupted by the PPTP plugin (yes, i know, don't use PPTP ... well, in this specific instance i don't have much of a choice :p )
14:03<SynrG>er, the pptp plugin for network-manager, i mean
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14:03<SynrG>i offer this in case it is in any way related
14:03<mantlepro>Using NetworkManager?
14:03<caraka__>^
14:03<mantlepro>NetworkManager will override dhcp settings, overwriting resolv.conf
14:03<SynrG>yes. that's what it does by design
14:03<mantlepro>https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#DNS_configuration_for_NetworkManager
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14:04<SynrG>but this is only as good as the info provided by the dhcp server, yes?
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14:04<mots>It's because DNS is for the burgeois. scrn.
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14:04<nChomsky>I have some folders for network manager, it is not an app that appears on my GUI
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14:05<mantlepro>systemctl status NetworkManager
14:05<mantlepro>(from your favorite terminal)
14:05<nChomsky>Burgeois DNS XD
14:05<SynrG>nChomsky: normally the desktop provides access to NM's settings via an applet that sits in your notification area ...
14:06<SynrG>i.e. not an app under your applications menu
14:07<nChomsky>paste.debian.net/hidden/3bfc7307/
14:09<nChomsky>Well, there you go, it's running Network Manager
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14:09<SynrG>that being said, "you're running NM, of course your DHCP is broken" is not an answer ;)
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14:09<nChomsky>I'll look into the wiki, then.
14:10<SynrG>except for the aforementioned PPTP issue, NM generally works very well for me, across a wide range of systems.
14:10<SynrG>not sure what's failing in your case.
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14:11<SynrG>(my workaround for the PPTP issue is to toggle the network off and on again, forcing it to rewrite resolv.conf, and the 2nd time, like magic, it fixes itself ... :p ... possibly some sort of race?)
14:11<SynrG>there's a special circle of hell for net admins that force their users to run PPTP
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14:13<mantlepro>This is a sledge hammer approach, but if you are running a more static environment (i.e. not a laptop or portable machine), you may wish to keep NM from messing with /etc/resolv.conf by adding dns=none to the [main] section of /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
14:14<SynrG>ultimately, i would review your results with the network admin responsible for the DHCP server
14:14<SynrG>who might want to see some logs ...
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14:16<nChomsky>Like... My ISP?
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14:17<nChomsky>It's a home laptop running Debian Jessie that we are talking about.
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14:18<SynrG>no router between you and the big, bad internet?
14:19<nChomsky>XD
14:19<nChomsky>Yeah I've got one.
14:20<SynrG>normally the wan interface of your router is connected to your ISP. your router gets DNS info from your ISP. your systems on the LAN side of your router should get a local network IP# on your LAN, and your router would NAT to the outside world ...
14:20<nChomsky>But still, is the router responsible for naking my resolv.conf file blank?
14:20<SynrG>the router would also have its own DHCP to hand out addresses on the LAN
14:20<SynrG>no. but your router is responsible for saying "here's your nameserver address"
14:21<SynrG>so when your jessie laptop acquires DHCP from your router, it should have that nameserver info and NM should write it to resolv.conf
14:21<SynrG>normally it's just the router itself (e.g. 192.168.1.1)
14:21<nChomsky>But there is nothing, it's litterally a blank file.
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14:22<nChomsky>I've seen at some forums that,
14:22<SynrG>it *should* at least say:
14:22<SynrG># Generated by NetworkManager
14:22<SynrG>does it not even say that?
14:22<SynrG>there are other agents, other than NM that might write your resolv.conf
14:22<nChomsky>IT SAYS NOTHING
14:23<nChomsky>Plain white.
14:23<SynrG>the resolvconf package is one
14:23<SynrG>if you have that, purge it. you don't need it.
14:23<SynrG>NM is perfectly capable of managing resolv.conf by itself.
14:24<nChomsky>How would I go about determining if I have that?
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14:24<nChomsky>Wait, found it.
14:24<SynrG>apt-cache policy resolvconf. if it's not installed it will say Installed: (none)
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14:25<nChomsky>It's not installed.
14:26<SynrG>journalctl -b -u NetworkManager
14:26<nChomsky>What else could be messing with the resolv.conf?
14:26<SynrG>when my lease is renewed from my router's DHCP, i see:
14:26<SynrG>Jan 23 11:05:16 shade NetworkManager[26142]: <info> [1485183916.0541] dhcp4 (eth0): nameserver '192.168.1.1'
14:26<nChomsky>No journal files were found.
14:26<SynrG>as root
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14:27<nChomsky>How do I check for that?
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14:28<SynrG>well, the command i gave should show all NetworkManager output since the last boot. hopefully not too much for a paste? we could check it there.
14:28<SynrG>paste.debian.net
14:29<nChomsky> this one? journalctl -b -u NetworkManager
14:29<SynrG>that's the one
14:29<FLD>is there any benefit in using Chaos Key, if your CPU supports RdRand?
14:30<SynrG>out of curiosity, what does ls -l /etc/resolv.conf say?
14:30<nChomsky>The result was "No journal files were found."
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14:30<blast007>nChomsky: did you run it as root?
14:30<SynrG>as i said
14:30<nChomsky>I'm sorry, I messed up.
14:31<SynrG>on a system where NM has managed the resolv.conf successfully:
14:31<SynrG>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 Jan 21 07:48 /etc/resolv.conf -> /var/run/NetworkManager/resolv.conf
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14:32<SynrG>the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces would be nice to see, too. if you installed offline, it could screw that up.
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14:33<nChomsky>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/a439d486/
14:34<blast007>FLD: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RdRand#Reception
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14:35<nChomsky>There is a persistent warning saying that the /etc/network/interfaces.d/ doesn't exist.
14:36<nChomsky>I'll paste the contents of the /etc/network/interfaces, give me a minute...
14:37<SynrG>nChomsky: i don't know how you're cutting and pasting things, but you're not giving full lines. it's a bit disorienting :p
14:37<SynrG>!nopaste
14:37<dpkg>nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste".
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14:38<SynrG>so if you install that, you can run journalctl -b -u NetworkManager | nopaste
14:38<SynrG>and that will give a link to the full output
14:38<nChomsky>Oh, I'm sorry, it clipped to the size of the window...
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14:40<SynrG>or journalctl --no-pager -b -u NetworkManager
14:40<SynrG>(but then you have to cut-and-paste from your terminal scrollback ... nopaste is slicker :)
14:41<SynrG>or pastebinit if you prefer that
14:42<SynrG>btw, i don't see any indication from the NM log output that it at any time negotiates dhcp, making me think maybe it's not managing your interface. but i can't tell due to the clipped messages.
14:44<nChomsky>Here is a corrected version: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/bbb24354/
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14:46<nChomsky>And here is my interfaces file: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/9cc6e18d
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14:48<SynrG>k
14:50<SynrG>well, that's still incomplete. it says lines 1-51. am i to take it that NetworkManager at no point thereafter negotiates a connection?
14:50<nChomsky>When I run sudo ls -l /etc/resolv.conf it says "-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jan 23 16:47 /etc/resolv.conf"
14:51<blast007>that was probably not with --no-pager
14:51<SynrG>piping it to nopaste or pastebinit would automatically disable the pager anyway
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14:52<SynrG>nChomsky: so the file was written very recently. we could try correlating timestamps with the journalctl output ...
14:52<blast007>hmm, yep, guess it does
14:52<SynrG>nChomsky: but i'm only seeing stuff from 12:08
14:52<SynrG>nChomsky: we need to see the lines for NetworkManager around 16:47
14:53<SynrG>i suspect there are multiple things on your system that are competing to write resolv.conf, and that's how it ends up blank :p
14:53<SynrG>if not resolvconf, i'm not sure what else.
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14:55<SynrG>probably this would give enough context to see: journalctl -b | grep -C100 "Jan 23 16:47"
14:55<nChomsky>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/726a4170/
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14:56<nChomsky>Now I used no-paste, sorry for that.
14:56<SynrG>that's fine
14:56<nChomsky>It has logs as.recent as 16:45 by the end of it.
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14:56<SynrG>yeah, but that's the interesting bit ...
14:57<SynrG>it clearly shows NetworkManager had the right nameserver entries (from your ISP, which apparently your router passes through as-is instead of running a nameserver cache) ...
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14:57<nChomsky>Hm...
14:57<SynrG>i bet if you look in /var/run/NetworkManager/resolv.conf it has the right file
14:57<SynrG>but something *else* stomps on it
14:57<SynrG>that's what my last command above is meant to locate
14:58<nChomsky>O.o
14:58<SynrG>15:55 < SynrG> probably this would give enough context to see: journalctl -b | grep -C100 "Jan 23 16:47"
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14:59<nChomsky>There is a block...
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14:59<nChomsky>Wait, I'll paste it.
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15:02<nChomsky>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/696d8c22/
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15:04<nChomsky>I looked into /var/run/NetworkManager/ but there isn't a copy of resolv.conf there...
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15:07<SynrG>i find it suspicious that dleyna runs around the timestamp of your empty resolv.conf
15:08<SynrG>probably misconfiguration of dleyna-server or so
15:08<nChomsky>Did I get owned so soon after the install? Is that it? XD
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15:09<SynrG>why do you run dleyna-server?
15:09<SynrG>try: 'aptitude why dleyna-server' if you don't know why it's there.
15:10<nChomsky>Never heard of it before.
15:10<nChomsky>Igive me a minute.
15:10<SynrG>ah, maybe just gnome bloat
15:11<blast007>recommended by gnome-online-accounts
15:11<SynrG>gnome-core > gnome-online-miners
15:11<SynrG>or that
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15:11<SynrG>maybe coincidence, then
15:12<SynrG>curious there's no /var/run/NetworkManager/resolv.conf even though systemctl told us NM acquired the address
15:13<nChomsky>None whatsoever...
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15:14<nChomsky>i gnome-online-miners Recommends dleyna-server
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15:14<nChomsky>You were right.
15:14<SynrG>but i don't think it proves anything
15:14<SynrG>this whole service should be read-only.
15:15<SynrG>it should have no reason to touch resolv.conf
15:15<SynrG>yet from the journalctl output, i can't tell anything else that would muck with that file and give it that timestamp.
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15:16<nChomsky>Is it possible fo.restore the Negwork Manager?
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15:16<nChomsky>to*
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15:17<nChomsky>Network*
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15:17<SynrG>hm. i don't have a NM system to compare with right here ...
15:17<SynrG>you should have a network icon for NetworkManager applet in your notification area
15:17<SynrG>we should be able to see some settings
15:17<SynrG>or alternatively, there are some commandline ways to get at the same info
15:18<SynrG>however, i have to leave shortly or i'll have no more sunlight to bike in
15:18<SynrG>maybe blast007 or someone can pick it up from here.
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15:18<SynrG>one thing to check is if you've configured NetworkManager with a "static" setup (though surely you'd remember that and tell us if you did? :)
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15:18<nChomsky>I see, thanks for your help and patience. ;-)
15:19<SynrG>anything else unusual about the setup of this box? installed how long ago? did it ever work before?
15:19<nChomsky>I don't think so. XD
15:19<SynrG>was there a network present at the time you did the install?
15:19<nChomsky>Yep, there was.
15:19<SynrG>i mean a functional network that your system could talk to
15:20<SynrG>so you installed using netinst or so?
15:20<nChomsky>Yeah, connected.
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15:20<nChomsky>It worked fine for about 5 days? Me thinks.
15:21<SynrG>and what happened over those 5 days? what most recently changed before it broke?
15:21<nChomsky>I installed a Whonix VM.
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15:22<nChomsky>I'm trying to harden this machine.
15:22<nChomsky>I woukd like.to make.Debian just download updates.
15:22<SynrG>that is info that would've been useful to know sooner rather than later :)
15:22<SynrG>(partly my fault for not asking, though)
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15:22<nChomsky>Sorry XD
15:22<SynrG>so this is third-party software?
15:23<nChomsky>Its is a VM based on Jessie.
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15:23<SynrG>is it the whonix VM that is broken, or the system that hosts the VM?
15:24<nChomsky>The host.
15:24<nChomsky>Whonix works fine XD
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15:24<onur>Hi guys. I want to build a debian package from subversion repository but this package has only "debian" directory and not the source. Is there an easy way to grab source files for this kind of packages?
15:24<nChomsky>That's really weird.
15:25<nChomsky>The VM updates normally, but not the host.
15:26<SynrG>nChomsky: is there anything installed on the host that is not pure Debian?
15:27<SynrG>i suspect the breakage is something else you installed on the host. likely not because of the VM, but you never know :/
15:27<nChomsky>TOR browser, gfuw and the KVM with Whonix.
15:27<SynrG>oh, tor browser and gfuw are directly on the host?
15:28<nChomsky>Yes.
15:28<SynrG>installed from the debian repo or third-party?
15:28<SynrG>,v gfuw
15:28<judd>No package named 'gfuw' was found in amd64.
15:29<SynrG>gufw?
15:29<SynrG>,v gufw
15:29<judd>Package: gufw on amd64 -- jessie: 12.10.0-1; wheezy: 12.10.0-1; stretch: 16.10.0-1; stretch: 17.04.1-1; sid: 17.04.1-1
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15:29<SynrG>,v tor
15:29<judd>Package: tor on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.2.4.27-1; wheezy-security: 0.2.4.27-3; jessie: 0.2.5.12-4; jessie-security: 0.2.5.12-4; jessie-backports: 0.2.9.8-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.2.9.8-2; sid: 0.2.9.8-2; experimental: 0.3.0.1-alpha-1
15:29<nChomsky>That's the one!
15:29<SynrG>not sure about 'tor browser'
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15:29<nChomsky>Tor was downloaded from their website.
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15:30<SynrG>unfortunately we can't support that. if you suspect installing tor broke your resolv.conf, you'll have to speak to upstream.
15:30<tomcres>!whonix
15:30<dpkg>Whonix is a Linux distribution based on Debian, distributed as two virtual machine images. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. http://whonix.org/ #whonix on irc.oftc.net.
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15:31<nChomsky>Hm...
15:31<nChomsky>Ok, guess I'm going to check that out as.well.
15:31<nChomsky>Thanks!
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15:33<SynrG>tomcres: as i understand it, nChomsky's Whonix VM works fine. it's the host we're debugging.
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15:33<SynrG>however, since the host is tainted with upstream's tor, that is something nChomsky will have to pursue, as we're pretty much at the end of what we can figure out on the Debian end of things that might be wrong.
15:34<SynrG>nChomsky: if you could uninstall tor, maybe it would be fixed?
15:34<SynrG>(hoping they have a clean uninstall procedure that puts things back the way they were?)
15:34<nChomsky>XD
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15:35<nChomsky>I'll search for it.
15:35<SynrG>if you can't trust your system is pure after the uninstall, consider a re-install from scratch, and don't install third-party stuff so that you remain supportable here.
15:35<SynrG>(hoping debian's tor packages do everything you want)
15:36<blast007>could also be the installation of the pieces necessary for running the VM
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15:38<nChomsky>Yeah, I think fhe VM might be the one responsible, if that's the case.
15:38<nChomsky>TOR I installed on day one.
15:38<nChomsky>Literally the first thing.
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17:39<zach>hello
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17:40<zach>hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
17:41<zach>helloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
17:41<zach>oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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17:41<grove>Stop shouting
17:41<grove>!ask
17:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:43<zach>im running debian version 1.0.1
17:43<zach>hold on i wil be right back
17:43<tomcres>Zach: did you install it from floppies?
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17:48<grove>zach: You're lying, there never was such a thing as Debian 1.0.1
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17:49<AlexMax>tomcres, grove baited
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17:49<tomcres>grove: You're right. It was 1.1 the first one, not 1.0.1. My bad. :-) Still would've come on floppies, though. ;-)
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17:50<grove>tomcres: I don't disagree with on that
17:50<AlexMax>the next thing out of that dude's mouth is going to be a troll
17:53<AlexMax>"Try cat /etc/debian_version" "it says Bad Command or File name"
17:54<grove>AlexMax: I have much the same expecation, that's why I outright called him a liar - I'm normally too well behaved to call people coming here asking for help liars
17:55<grove>And I need to go bed, so I'll stop being off-topic now, and leave you with him if he comes back
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17:57<zach>wait yea im back
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17:59<zach>so i was going to ask you if you can give me a command to download debian in my terminal
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18:00<tomcres>zach: do you need an installation image? which one?
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18:01<zach>no just a download comand that i can use in the terminal to download debian
18:01<tomcres>zach: you can't just "download debian"; it needs to be installed
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18:02<zach>i know either way i need to install debian in my terminal but i NEED the command
18:03<AlexMax>♬ quit falling for the bait ♬
18:03<somiaj>I think he wants a wget command with the url attached...why not just go get the url for the image you want from debian.org and then run wget <url>
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18:04<somiaj>or do you want to use debootstrap and install manually, or are you not sure what you want?
18:04<zach>PERFECT EXACTLY (NOT)
18:04<zach>install manullay
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18:05<themill>You're not going to successfully complete that if you can't ask sensible questions of google (or us)
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18:07<zach>LET ME INSTALL IT MANULLAY ENOUGH ABOUT THE TECHNICAL STUFF JUST TELL ME HOW TO INSTALL THE DAMN THING!
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18:07<somiaj>yes that is going to get a better response, or more likely earn a +q.
18:07<AlexMax>zach, install gentoo
18:07<AlexMax>richard matthew stallman approved
18:07<somiaj>zach: anyways, look up a debootstrap guide. It isn't a simple one command deal, you have to do stuff to the install to make it work afterwards.
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18:08<AlexMax>you guys are being too kind to an obvious troll :/
18:09<zach>SHUT YO BUBBLE GUM DUM DUM LOOKIN ASS UP ALEXMAX XD
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18:09<@themill>zach: that's enough
18:09<zach>HES BEIN MEAN TO ME THOUGH
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18:11<tomcres>I'm guessing he was about 12
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18:15<AlexMax>question - I've always used aptitude for my debian installations - I was under the impression that aptitude kept track of more metadata than apt-get did and is able to more smartly remove packages that are no longer in use
18:15<AlexMax>also the nice ncurses interface was....nice
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18:15<AlexMax>1. was I full of it, is there a real difference between apt-* and aptitude?
18:15<AlexMax>2. should I be using apt-get these days, or can i stick with aptitude?
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18:16<AlexMax>it'd be a shame if #2 was true - aptitude is why i switched to debian back during sarge's freeze :P
18:16<tomcres>AlexMax: I was always under the impression that aptitude was preferred to apt-get, but sometime around the change to multiarch, I thought aptitude was discouraged, so I stopped using it. Now I use apt.
18:17<themill>The three tools can be used interchangeably with the exception of putting packages on hold.
18:17<themill>aptitude and apt{,-get} have different resolvers and sometimes one will fail where the other succeeds
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18:18<AlexMax>wait what?
18:18<AlexMax>they're not all using libaptget or whatever behind the scenes?
18:19<themill>they both use libapt* for most things but not for resolution
18:20<themill>Having different resolvers available is a good thing
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18:22<somiaj>AlexMax: also with two tools, as new features popup in one they work their way over to the other and visa versa, so a little compition is good.
18:24<somiaj>AlexMax: so at one point aptitude had features apt-get didn't, but most features got transfered over
18:26<SynrG>AlexMax: as for smart removal, i think your thinking of manual vs automatic installs? yeah, that's an apt thing, and all the front ends can make use of that.
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18:28<SynrG>AlexMax: with apt, i just 'apt autoremove'. i think aptitude wants to remove stuff things that i thinks are no longer needed by default. that sometimes causes inattentive users grief because they remove a package, not realizing it disrupts their dependencies, and then before they know it, they've removed all of gnome just by not paying attention ...
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18:28<SynrG>mind you, you can shoot yourself in the foot the same way with apt/apt-get, but having to type 'autoremove' makes you think about it before you do.
18:29<SynrG>AlexMax: if you're curious about the inner workings, see /var/lib/apt/extended_states
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18:32<somiaj>I do have to admit that dselect is not that common, I could never figure that ui out....:/
18:32<somiaj>I mean I'm gald it is not that common
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18:33<tomcres>I used to use dselect almost exclusively when I first started with Debian
18:33<somiaj>It was there, I used wget and dpkg....
18:34<somiaj>I tried to use deselect, I got confused and figured it was better to resolve by hand.
18:34<somiaj>so glad once apt came around...(:
18:34<AlexMax>aptitude is what got me to switch to debian in the sarge days
18:34<tomcres>dselect was one of the things that won me over having come from Slackware and Red Hat
18:34<dselect>tomcres: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
18:34<AlexMax>sarge's freeze took forfreakin'ever
18:34<tomcres>lol…of course, there's a dselect bot!
18:35<somiaj>a backup of dpkg
18:35<AlexMax>dselect, %s {} foo
18:35<dselect>AlexMax: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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18:37<tomcres>first Debian I tried was bo (1.3), but I was too used to Slackware-isms and couldn't understand why certain things weren't the same. But I switched mostly for good around potato (2.2)
18:37<AlexMax>my first linux was red hat linux 5.0
18:37<AlexMax>i tried a couple of red hat releases
18:37<AlexMax>then i tried slackware
18:37<AlexMax>then debian
18:38<AlexMax>red hat linux before yum was torture
18:38<tomcres>AlexMax: RPM dependency hell…I remember it well! :-/
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19:06<missmbob>themill: you're talking about the now resolved #137771 right?
19:07<isma>hola alguien español
19:07<missmbob>!es
19:07<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
19:07<isma>o de habla hispana
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19:11<themill>missmbob: yeah, this problem goes away (finally!) in stretch
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19:17<Zathras>I am trying to setup a NFS server on Jessie. It does not start properly. In messages I see: nfsd: Unknown symbol setattr_prepare (err 0) & nfsd: Unknown symbol set_posix_acl (err 0)
19:18<Zathras>all the kernel modules seem to be there. What can be wrong here?
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19:20<SynrG>on a stock jessie kernel, or custom built?
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19:25<themill>Zathras: have you installed a new kernel package and not rebooted? (what's the output of "uname -a" and "apt-cache policy linux-image-$(uname -r)")
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19:33<ryouma>is installing a new kernel package and not rebooting an issue normally?
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19:37<SynrG>you should reboot when you install a new version of the same kernel you're running to avoid kernel module loading issues, yes.
19:37<ryouma>ok
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19:38<themill>ryouma: yeah, you can end up with some seriously weird errors from modules being unable to load
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19:39<themill>odd errors like "filesystem not known" when mounting
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19:48<nChomsky>Hello there.
19:48<nChomsky>Problens with DNS.
19:48<nChomsky>Just installed Jessie 8.7.
19:49<nChomsky>Fresh out of an USB.
19:49<nChomsky>Netinstall
19:49<nChomsky>And...
19:50<nChomsky>the /etc/resolv.config is blank.
19:50<tomcres>nChomsky: are you using DHCP?
19:51<nChomsky>I'm not sure.
19:51<nChomsky>How could I confirm it?
19:52<tomcres>nChomsky: what network is it connected to? is it a home router? corporate? direct internet connection?
19:52<nChomsky>Home router wi-fi.
19:53<tomcres>nChomsky: OK, and the other computers on your network are able to resolve hostnames, correct?
19:53<nChomsky>Correct, correct.
19:53<Heston>how did you even finish the netinstall without a working connection
19:53<tomcres>nChomsky: OK. So you're probably using DHCP.
19:54<nChomsky>Good, good.
19:54<missmbob>Heston: it's meant to not need one. you just get a basic install
19:54<nChomsky>That's what I got. Basic.
19:55<nChomsky>There's not even sudo installed.
19:55<Heston>hmm, so absolute bare bones
19:55<nChomsky>Nothing installed!
19:55<Heston>didnt the netinstall try configuring your network?
19:56<nChomsky>It did.
19:56<missmbob>you got perl, python, grub, bash, etc installed. i wouldn't call it "nothing" :P
19:56<nChomsky>It was a wap2 something...
19:56<Heston>what did it report back? It didn't complain?
19:56<nChomsky>No complains.
19:56<tomcres>nChomsky: what do you see if you type? nmcli dev
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19:58<themill>Is firmware required for this wifi chipset?
19:59<nChomsky>I see "wlan0 wifi connected netvirtua 31 / eth0 ethernet unavailable -- / lo loopback unmanaged --
19:59<nChomsky>Yes, firmware was required.
20:00<nChomsky>I downloaded the installer with some non-free firmware.
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20:01<nChomsky>Let me see if I can find the firmware names...
20:01<tomcres>nChomsky: OK, now try: ps ax | grep dhclient …do you see a line with '/sbin/dhclient' in it?
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20:02<nChomsky>Yes, I see it.
20:02<missmbob>nChomsky: what's the real problem? can you ping 8.8.8.8 ?
20:03<tomcres>hmmm…network manager should be populating /etc/resolv.conf
20:03<nChomsky>I can ping 8.8.8.8, but I can ping, say, google.com.
20:04<nChomsky>I can't download packages from the package manager.
20:04<missmbob>nChomsky: edit /etc/resolv.conf and add "nameserver 8.8.8.8" with no quotes
20:04<nChomsky>Ok.
20:04<missmbob>ping google.com
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20:06<missmbob>if that works, edit sources.list,apt update and go on about your life
20:06<themill>and hope that the next time dhclient gets a lease, it doesn't empty out resolv.conf
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20:06<nChomsky>It doesn't work.
20:07<nChomsky>The thing is,
20:07<tomcres>maybe to be safe, add another line: nameserver 8.8.4.4
20:07<nChomsky>Ok.
20:07<Heston>id try copying your config from a working computer
20:07<missmbob>hell nameserver 2001:4860:4860::8888 if you need ipv6
20:08<ryouma>does resolv.conf get autoupdated? or do you add google dns to the end and it stays there?
20:08<missmbob>when you have a failed install like his i'm not sure what happens
20:08<themill>ryouma: lots of things will fight over it and yes, it will get clobbered if you're not careful
20:09<tomcres>you could always make the file mode 444 :-)
20:09<Heston>couldnt he just pull the inferface down and back up and hope dhcp works right this tme
20:09<themill>even that won't work all the time
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20:09<nChomsky>I'm sorry, now I,ve altered the resolve.conf with google's DNS and it worked, I pinged google.
20:10<nChomsky>The thing is!
20:10<missmbob>nChomsky: good. follow the rest of what i said :)
20:10<nChomsky>This file gets overwritten.
20:10<missmbob>that's the idea
20:11<nChomsky>It gets overwritten with NOTHING
20:11<themill>!override dbs
20:11<themill>!override dns
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20:11<nChomsky>It has already been overwritten, it's.l blank.
20:11<themill>!override dns
20:11<dpkg>To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer.
20:12<tomcres>nChomsky: do you want to try making the file read-only to see if it helps? chmod 444 /etc/resolv.conf
20:12<themill>that is known to fail
20:13<nChomsky>Good God, I al
20:13<nChomsky>almost hit ENTER. XD
20:13<missmbob>now you know
20:14<nChomsky>Anyway, not using DHCP couldn't be troublesome?
20:14<missmbob>if you set it up during install or right now?
20:15<missmbob>you can set dns servers manually in /etc/network/interfaces for instance
20:15<nChomsky>Right now, for future use.
20:15<missmbob>i'd just be done with it
20:15<nChomsky>Ooook.
20:15<missmbob>follow what themill/bot told you
20:16<themill>If you're using network-manager, you can do it there too
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20:17<nChomsky>How so?
20:17<nChomsky>Should I get the name nameserver of my ISP, by the way?
20:18<nChomsky>Or just go abou using google's? XD
20:18<Heston>check the config on a working computer in your network..
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20:18<missmbob>no. use google's. some isps get tricky and tried inserting ads, etc
20:18<themill>It's unusual that your wifi router doesn't have a local one for you (although they're often sufficiently crap you'd not use them(
20:18<themill>or better, use a local dnssec enabled resolver
20:19<nChomsky>I can do that through Network Manager?
20:20<nChomsky>Let me just be clear that I never -used- Network Manager in any way before.
20:20<nChomsky>I figure it runs in the background and whatnot...
20:22<missmbob>if it aint broke. move on to the next problem :P
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20:35<nChomsky>So, I issued the command echo "supersede domain-name-servers 8.8.8.8" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
20:35<nChomsky>Is that the correct syntax?
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20:38<Zathras>themill, sorry for my very late reply
20:38<Zathras>http://paste.debian.net/910225/
20:38<Zathras>my NFS problem still exists :-(
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20:40<themill>Zathras: so that would certainly indicate that you've got new kernel packages unpacked but haven't rebooted
20:41<Zathras>themill, actually I have
20:42<themill>since making that paste?
20:42<Zathras>no. Before
20:42<Zathras>In have not changed a thing since the reboot. no apt-whatever
20:42<themill>because the paste shows that you have kernel 3.16.39 unpacked and are running 3.16.7
20:42<themill>Is this a VM? What sort of virtualisation?
20:43<Zathras>it is a Digital Ocean Droplet (VPS)
20:43<Zathras>iirc the use KVM
20:43<Zathras>*they
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20:45<themill>If you're not running your own kernel then it's just not going to happen.
20:46<nChomsky>Tried to edit dhclient to include ”supersede domain-name-servers 201.6.2.77, 201.6.2.177"
20:47<nChomsky>Which is just the copy-pasted DNS that I've got out of the description of my wi-fi network.
20:47<nChomsky>It didn't connect...
20:47<Zathras>themill, they provided a bootloader which should accommodate for this, but I think they are failing. Time to contact them again so it seems
20:47<Zathras>thanks for the clarification
20:48<themill>Zathras: it may well be that your kernel lives outside the VM or that the kvm loader needs to be separately taught about your new kernel. I'd hope they had docs on this for you as it would probably be a FAQ
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20:51<JordiGH>vlc can't play mkv downloaded with youtube-dl but mpv can. I'm really confused that vlc can't play some format. I didn't think this was possible. I wonder if anyone knows why.
20:51<missmbob>JordiGH: in jessie. stretch version works btw
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20:52<missmbob>JordiGH: it's a stupid build flag. so even though they're the same version, it's different
20:52<JordiGH>I don't remember codenames anymore. I'm using stable with backports.
20:52<JordiGH>Oh, has someone backported?
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20:52<missmbob>JordiGH: no. you can wait for stretch or use mpv :P
20:52<JordiGH>What's stretch, testing?
20:52<missmbob>yes
20:52<missmbob>not backports
20:53<JordiGH>Eh, I guess I don't care enough to backport myself. I'll use mpv for now.
20:53<JordiGH>I mostly only use this for youtube-dl anyways, mostly ephemeral stuff.
20:53<missmbob>JordiGH: good call. personally i backported the newer mpv to jessie :P
20:54<JordiGH>Remember when Gnome and KDE had their own video players too? Well, I guess Gnome still does, but does KDE do? It started with too. Kinerama, maybe?
20:54<missmbob>sure. elementary has it's own, too
20:55<JordiGH>Didn't they all turn out to be frontends to vlc or mplayer anyway?
20:55<nChomsky>Got the DNS adress from another working computer in the network, it worked.
20:55<nChomsky>Thanks missbob, the mill.
20:55<missmbob>JordiGH: i dont know what kde did. in gnome and most others just imported gstreamer
20:55<nChomsky>;-)
20:56<JordiGH>Oh, it's kaffeine for KDE. I haven't used KDE in ages. It's not even called KDE anymore, but Plasma, right?
20:56<missmbob>JordiGH: anyway, want to use my mpv backports or do you not care much there either?
20:57<JordiGH>whatever mpv I currently already have works fine.
20:57<JordiGH>I could do a ssb for vlc, but eh.
20:57<missmbob> i like the updated sexy gui mpv got :P
20:57<JordiGH>As long as it's gonna be fixed, I can patiently wait for it.
20:57<missmbob>,checkbackport vlc
20:57<judd>Backporting package vlc in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: liblirc-dev.
20:57<missmbob>that's why i stopped
20:57<JordiGH>Patient Bear will be ready for Debian stable whenever it comes.
20:58<JordiGH>Okay, so no ssb is possible.
20:58<JordiGH>Patient Bear it is.
20:58<Zathras>themill, they have a control panel for droplets which allows you to select a kernel version. For some reason it is now reconfigured by them to use a generic bootloader and not a specific kernel. My kernel is newer than what is listed anyway. Quite strange as I never had seen that before. It used to match the running kernel
20:58<Heston>missmbob, how could your backports arent in the debian repos?
20:58<coruja>,checkbackport mpv
20:58<judd>Backporting package mpv in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libass-dev (>= 0.12.1~).
20:59<JordiGH>lib ass?
20:59<missmbob>coruja: i wanted it bad.
20:59<Zathras>at least I have the attention of the support-lead now so hopefully this will be resolved
20:59<JordiGH>Hm, I guess you can combine libass with libcaca. Doesn't VLC have a libcaca backend?
20:59<missmbob>Heston: i can do whatever the fuck i want if it's stored on my private server
21:00<Heston>missmbob, hmm. What kind of limitations would they impose on you that you feel restrictive?
21:01<missmbob>Heston: nothing. you asked how i can make/offer backports
21:01<Heston>i meant to say how come*
21:01<missmbob>Heston: i wanted sexy mpv gui like i said.
21:02<Heston>so is there a debian policy to be aware of for backporting that you wanted to avoid?
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21:02<Heston>just wondering why you didnt submit it officially
21:03<missmbob>Heston: i'm not a debian developer. it's a pain to do that officially
21:04<JordiGH>Yeah, there's a lot of rules to follow if you wanna be a DD or DM.
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22:41<desert>whats the best way to compress an mp4 file for smallest compressed size?
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23:40<missmbob>desert: that's still playable? or are you talking about archiving like xz compression?
23:41<desert>archiving for uploading
23:42<somiaj>I thought mp4 was alreayd really compressed, unsure how much more you can get.
23:42<missmbob>it is. it's pretty pointless
23:42<missmbob>i'd just use straight rsync
23:43<zykotick9>trying to compress a mp4 seems counterproductive to me...
23:43<somiaj>I recall trying to tar.bz2 a collection of mp3s once, saved a very minute amount of space and took quite a while....
23:44<missmbob>yeah xz -9 will save some but fuck it's not worth it
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23:46<somiaj>hmm, is libdvdcss2 and libreadline6 needed anymore for dvd playback. I seem to have packages installed from a long time ago and don't really watch dvd's on my machine anymore.
23:46<somiaj>ignore the libreadline6, I was thinkgin libdvdread...
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23:52<missmbob>somiaj: yes
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23:56<jcrowgey>hi, i'm trying to build a qt app, and I'm getting an error in a shared lib libxcb-dri3.so.0
23:56<jcrowgey>is this a good place to talk about it, or is there a qt channel which would be appropriate?
23:58<missmbob>is the libxcb-dri3-0 package installed?
23:59<jcrowgey>it is
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