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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-01-25

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00:28<^74NK>hey anyone can help me set up vnc server to start on startup and also explain what is this line doing in rc.local:
00:29<^74NK>iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.8.0/24 ! -d 192.168.8.0/24 -j MASQUERADE
00:29<^74NK>i am currently connected and my device is in appmode, i edited wlan0 to connect to my router on startup but can't ssh/vnc into it after that...
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00:30<^74NK>so while i have not restarted my device i'd like to set it up to start vncserver on startup (i'm using tightvnc)
00:31<^74NK>if this isn't the place to ask, maybe you can redirect me to the proper # to go to regarding this...
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00:56<zura>Hello. After start tor-browser on debian wheezy it tried to upgrade to 6.5 version. It automatically downloaded asc, xz and failed on verifying. I made so several times, then go to https://dist.torproject.org/torbrowser/6.5/ and downloaded myself both. Both are same checked with diff3. What can be reason or is there other way then waiting maintaineer, for example, suspend or not upgrade? Thanks.
00:56<^74NK>#tor thanks.
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01:01<jm_>zura: where did you get tor-browser from?
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01:39<zura>jm: it is torbrowser-launcher from debian repositiories. Solution found and written on https://tor.stackexchange.com/questions/13814/upgrading-to-6-5/13815#13815 and https://github.com/micahflee/torbrowser-launcher/issues/260
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03:25<blu>i guys. I'm playing with the idea to set a umask of 027 on all my servers by default. Can there be any danger to that? I like it much more than 022 from my belly feeling. Will all stuff like apt-get install mysql, nginx, .. Will things still work normally then?
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03:43<ChrisM>hi just wondering if someone can point me in the right direction for getting help with installing package with apt-get. Have done some searching but can't seem to understand what I'm doing wrong
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03:46<jm_>!bat
03:46<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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03:52<ChrisM>ok, I'm working on getting the output
03:55<ChrisM>Having a bit of trouble as I am running debian in hyper-v and can't select the text
03:55<jm_>!nopaste
03:55<dpkg>nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste".
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03:57<ChrisM>I can't at the moment, having trouble installing anything due to repo's
03:57<ChrisM>hence the apt-get problem
03:57<jm_>do you have curl installed?
03:57<jm_>i'll be back in some 20-30 min
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03:58<ChrisM>nope no curl
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03:59<jm_>then maybe it's best if you simply redirect it to a file >> /tmp/apt.log, and upload it to pastebin (transfer it to some other computer if needed)
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04:00<ChrisM>ok i'll give it a go
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04:13<brokentire>hello
04:14<ChrisM>I have fixed the problem I was having but don't really now how
04:14<ChrisM>know
04:15<brokentire>I just installed debian and I ended up here while playing with the irc app
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04:18<grove>ChrisM: If you still have the error message(s) available and can get it to a pastebin we might be able to tell you
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04:28<ChrisM>It wasn't really an error message. Just wanted to know when I do "apt-get install sudo" how do I select the repo to install from
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04:30<petn-randall>,v sudo
04:30<judd>Package: sudo on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.8.5p2-1+nmu3+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1.8.5p2-1+nmu3+deb7u2; jessie: 1.8.10p3-1+deb8u3; jessie-security: 1.8.10p3-1+deb8u3; sid: 1.8.19p1-1; stretch: 1.8.19p1-1
04:30<petn-randall>ChrisM: you shouldn't have two version to pick from actually.
04:31<petn-randall>ChrisM: Usually the -t option is what you're looking for, but this may not work if you're using 3rd party repos.
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04:33<ChrisM>one is from the cdrom: the iso I installed from the the other is over http: via security.debian
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04:35<jm_>you are most likely missing regular repository entries in sources.list
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04:39<ChrisM>this is the contents of sources.list http://paste.debian.net/910467/
04:39<ChrisM>everything else is commented out
04:40<jm_>yup
04:41<jm_>!tell ChrisM -about sources.list
04:41<jm_>got the message?
04:42<ChrisM>yep got it
04:42<ChrisM>Any idea why mine would be wrong?
04:42<jm_>no network at install time is my best guess
04:43<ChrisM>All i've done is install debian 8.3 from first iso cd
04:43<ChrisM>Correc there would have been no network
04:43<jm_>yeah that's why
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04:44<ChrisM>ok thanks, will update
04:45<jm_>no problem
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04:58<annadane>i'd like to perform apt-get autoremove just for some general housecleaning but i'm not sure if it would break things, do people recommend it?
04:59<petn-randall>annadane: Usually it's safe, but it's always a good idea to look over the liste before things are removed.
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05:33<annadane>i notice i have one file listed in the "will be removed" but in the package manager it doesn't say it can be safely removed
05:33<annadane>i don't know if it always says that if it can be
05:34<annadane>presumably it's fine if it shows up in the autoremove
05:35<teatime>you mean one package?
05:35<annadane>yes
05:36<annadane>yeah one package i should say, not file
05:36<teatime>you can do 'aptitude why <packagename>' or just try 'apt-get remove <packagename>', and if that shows you nothing else is depending on it (and it isn't something you use directly) it can be safely removed.
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05:37<teatime>but, I don't think apt-get offers to remove things that would break deps anyway; I use aptitude and it will (but it tells you so)
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05:39<annadane>what i'm getting from this is i shouldn't remove it
05:40<petn-randall>annadane: apt-get autoremove will never remove anything that would break the consistency of your installation. However, if you for example remove the package 'gnome' because you don't want to have the full desktop environment installed, apt has no way of knowing what you want to keep, and will offer to remove all gnome packages that were auto-installed.
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05:40<teatime>suggests and recommends don't make this already difficultish issue any easier, either
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05:41<annadane>https://paste.debian.net/910485/
05:41<teatime>however, I should have just read "presumably it's fine if it shows up in the autoremove" and said "pretty much yes"
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05:45<annadane>in any event just by looking at its description i don't want to get rid of it
05:45<annadane>it may not be a dependency but it's still good to have
05:45<teatime>annadane: it's only a twice-removed suggests, so if apt-get wants to remove it on its own, feel free to let it. later if you want to use parted/gparted and they don't work (which is unlikely or it wouldn't be a suggests) you could just reinstall it/them.
05:46<annadane>oh, okay
05:46<annadane>i didn't really understand the syntax
05:47<teatime>libparted-fs-resize0 was installed because libparted-dev was installed, but libparted-dev is no longer installed.
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05:48<teatime>so yeah, most def. not needed afaict
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05:49<annadane>i'm reading the man page for aptitude why like i should have done in the first place :-)
05:49<teatime>it's super duper handy
05:50<teatime>the worst case scenario with apt-get autoremove, pretty much, is that it removes a program you actually directly use but didn't directly say to install, so you find it missing and have to apt-get install it.
05:50<annadane>can i ask how you knew libparted-dev is no longer installed?
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05:52<teatime>the 'p' on the libparted-dev line is its installation status (**unless it's actually the status for the packages the far right column; I'm honestly not 100% sure but you're reading the man-page anyway) and p is purged
05:53<teatime>which is also the same status you'd see for something which had never been installed, jsyk
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06:03<annadane>i was honestly expecting things to be a mess of packages, only having one in autoremove is a good sign lol
06:04<teatime>heh I was gonna say earlier, if you're on stable, haven't added weird repos, haven't dist-upgraded w/o reading the new stable's release notes, etc., apt-get is very unlikely to a broken system and if it does it will almost certainly be in a small and easily-repaired way.
06:05<teatime>but sounds like you *did* do something interesting, in which case bets are off :)
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06:10<teatime>apt is so much fun. and that also includes the quality of the package metadata in debian's repos. package management is complex but it's usually like, it has provisions for whatever weird operation you're trying to do and tools to help you do it, even if it's necessarily complex, whereas every other package management tool I've ever used leaves me to hack my way through or build tools for the kinds of
06:10<teatime>obsessive package cleanup and strange changes I like to do.
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06:12<annadane>what is the capital A? the man page actually doesn't explain
06:12<teatime>marked automatically installed
06:12<teatime>it keeps track of what you've installed explicitly vs. what has been installed automatically becuse of something else you requested explicitly; that's entirely how autoremove is implemented
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06:13<teatime>when something was originally installed automatically and isn't currently depended on by anything else, it's a cantidate for autoremoval
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06:14<annadane>i'm going to submit a suggestion for the man page to include what the letters mean, unless it's assumed you know that from previous reading
06:15<annadane>i probably just haven't scrolled up enough
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06:15<teatime>I've heard far worse suggestions. it is kindof standardish across several tools / documented elsewhere, but that doesn't really help you if you don't know where, does it?
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06:16<annadane>if it gives you a verbose reading like that it really should be under the same heading
06:17<teatime>you might want to read some of the longer-form debian documentation; man-pages are the primary documentation for some tools but are just as often an incomplete cheatsheet / quick reference
06:17<annadane>but i didn't read the entire man page for aptitude so it's entirely possible it's there; though in any case it would fix it for people like me who fet confsed
06:17<annadane>get confused*
06:18<jm_>aptitude has extensive manual as readme
06:20<emoon[m]>awww yesh that 4.9 kernel just dropped
06:20<emoon[m]>cheers!
06:21<annadane>i don't feel it should be assumed that you've read long form documentation; if it's not already explained in the man pages it should be
06:22<annadane>especially in this case where the readout is a table, it should be assumed that you've gone to the section that suits your particular problem
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06:22<teatime>I'm sure documentation patches would be welcomed by the aptitude maintainers :)
06:22<SynrG>man pages are quick reference material. it is not uncommon for highly complex packages to go into more detail in their full manual.
06:23<SynrG>it's unreasonable to expect for such packages "everything I want to know should be in the man page, because I'm never going to look in the rest of the doc for that stuff"
06:24<SynrG>adjust your expectations accordingly
06:26<annadane>but they do have the advantage of being accurate as a quick reference and i feel like that's where people are likely to look
06:26<annadane>as long as it doesn't get too spammy i feel like touches of clarification here and there aren't a bad idea
06:27*teatime (1) Teatime teatime(1) Teatime is around 2 o'clock in the afternoon. Complete instructions for making tea are available as a GNU Info page.
06:28<SynrG>ECHAN? but thanks :)
06:28<SynrG>oh, i guess it's somewhat relevant ;_
06:28<SynrG>;)
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06:32<annadane>incidentally, for anyone who cares, the letter shorthand is indeed described in the man page for aptitude itself
06:33<ChrisM>questions on /etc/atp/sources.list repo locations
06:35<jm_>ChrisM: DCC won't work for me, ask in #debian so anyone can answer
06:36<ChrisM>Ok, on the sample sources.list file provided the locations are all http
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06:37<ChrisM>i've checked and https repo's exist, would it not be better to configure sources.list over tls to mitgate man in the middle attack?
06:37<ChrisM>If I change them to https will that cause problems?
06:37<jm_>ChrisM: as long as you are sure signing keys are correct there's no need
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06:38<ChrisM>sorry I don't follow
06:38<ChrisM>signing keys on the packages?
06:38<jm_>see http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/90227/why-there-is-no-https-transport-for-debian-apt-tool
06:38<jm_>also https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt
06:40<jm_>I should have said verification keys, not signing keys obviously
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06:42<teatime>I can think of a couple of minor justifications for apt over HTTPS
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06:44<ChrisM>got it, using gpg with public and private key
06:46<teatime>bah I should have just read your link to begin with jm_ it covers exactly what I was thinking about
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06:47<SynrG>annadane: if it took us that long to figure it out, it may be an indication the man page is already too long / overly complex :)
06:47<SynrG>annadane: hence the need for larger doc (aptitude-doc) that covers things in more depth
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08:52<MarkL1>How is possible to manage the desktop? it's empty and don't know how to put links on it for programs or files
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08:53<grove>MarkL1: What desktop environment do ou use? Gnome/KDE/xfce/lxde/...
08:53<MarkL1>I use gnome on jessie
08:53<somiaj>MarkL1: this depends on what Desktop Enviorment, windowmanger you are using. Though in many cases it is the file manager that likes to control the icons on the desktop.
08:53<MarkL1>Files
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08:53<MarkL1>taht's its name
08:55<somiaj>nautilus is the filemanager of gnome, it may have configuration settings to place icons on the desktop
08:55<MarkL1>Files 3.14.1 Access and organize your files. Copyright 1999–2014 The Files Authors
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08:56<MarkL1>somiaj, yes I know but don't know how to do it
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08:56<somiaj>Me either I don't use gnome or like icons on my desktop.
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08:57<somiaj>http://askubuntu.com/questions/43246/how-to-configure-gnome-3-to-show-icons-on-desktop -- may work in debian
08:58<somiaj>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GNOME/Files#Desktop_Icons -- seems to say the same thing, sounds like you need gnome-tweak-tool to turn this feature on
08:58<peter1138>slightly out of date (even for debian)
08:59<peter1138>Tweak Tool -> Desktop -> Icons on Desktop -> On
08:59<somiaj>that is what the outdated link seems to say, though I can't test it
09:00<peter1138>The second answer on the ubuntu link gives a command-line way to do it
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09:04<MarkL1>thanks, if tweek tool is present as a app. on the gnome main page maybe is possible to add it with a simple click
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09:07<somiaj>you may have to install the package.
09:07<somiaj>package name is gnome-tweak-tool, so use your package manager, or apt-get install gnome-tweak-tool to install it
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09:11<MarkL1>I am checking from Synaptiic it's installed yet, I have the version 3.14.2-2, maybe is not avtivated?
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09:20<MarkL1>gnome don't make come a headache that I will betray forever to KDE lol
09:22<peter1138>"gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons true"
09:22<peter1138>no extra tool needed
09:24<somiaj>na, the info we posted is old, that tool should be avaiable, where it is in the menu is another story. I personally prefer cli toosl/config files as peter1138 mentioned.
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09:26<MarkL1>peter1138, "gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons true" has done the magic. thanks
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09:30<MarkL1>after Debian what is your prefered linux distro?
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09:32<emoon[m]>id probably check out suse, another large distro
09:33<emoon[m]>or mint/buntu
09:39<MarkL1>I have tryed almost all, I like OpenSuse but seems not that compatible with some programs like Debian
09:40<MarkL1>Mint to me seems to be a Ubuntu less safe and less stable.... thi is my opinion
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09:43<MarkL1>Ubuntu is very good with software more updated but Debian is much more stable and safe than Ubuntu and now has improved a lot on software, few years ago debian had just very outdated stuff
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09:47<MarkL1>bye guys
09:47<xzhang>bye
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11:15<superkid_enderkid>help
11:15<superkid_enderkid>g
11:15<superkid_enderkid>poop
11:15<superkid_enderkid>help
11:16<doubledutch>!mods
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11:16<superkid_enderkid>what'dya mean !mods, doubledutch?
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11:19<grove>doubledutch: I believe it's "!ops <reason>"
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11:21<christian>How to play flash games where is flash player like gnash
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11:23<nkuttler>,v gnash
11:23<judd>Package: gnash on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.8.11~git20120629-1+deb7u1; jessie-backports: 0.8.11~git20150419-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.8.11~git20160608-1.3; sid: 0.8.11~git20160608-1.3
11:23<nkuttler>!tell christian about backports
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11:24<christian>k will check out backports
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11:31<Doctor_Pi>Just tried to download the multiarch DVD from Debian. It points to a source DVD.
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11:32<Doctor_Pi>From this page: https://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/
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11:33<Doctor_Pi>I need multiarch because I have a '06 iMac and I've been unable to install Debian on it.
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11:36<petn-randall>Doctor_Pi: You could use the netinstaller, which is both amd64 and i386.
11:36<petn-randall>Doctor_Pi: Why does it need to be multi-arch specifically?
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11:40<Doctor_Pi>petn-randall: I've tried netinstaller, but it's a bit inconvenient because the wireless card uses propietary firmware in the iMac and I wasn't able to install it via the USB port. I ended up using Win 10 on my laptop and bridging the wireless and ethernet interfaces.
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11:41<Doctor_Pi>petn-randall: but after doing that the kernel would lock on boot.
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11:42<Doctor_Pi>petn-randall: stupid iMac has a 32 bit EFI. Some persons have told me that it's a really buggy implementation.
11:43<Doctor_Pi>petn-randall: I ended up resorting to refind to be able to boot Grub.
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11:46<Doctor_Pi>petn-randall: maybe I should just try to install 32 bit linux on the local hard drive. Maybe I've been too ambitious, trying to install 64 bit Linux on an external USB stick?
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11:48<Brigo>Doctor_Pi, i can see two options: https://people.debian.org/~rmh/goodbye-microsoft/
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11:48<Brigo>or http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ (netinstall with non-free repo aka non-free drivers)
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11:50<Doctor_Pi>Brigo: I'm only using Win 10 on the laptop to give me access to net to the iMac on which I'm installing Debian.
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11:51<Brigo>Doctor_Pi, ok, you can use option 2 :)
11:51<ewew>Hi. I tried to display debian-administration.org and i got a probable php error.
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11:53<Doctor_Pi>Brigo: Hmm, ok there's also a multi-arch there too.
11:54<Doctor_Pi>Brigo: I'll give it a shot.
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11:54<Brigo>Doctor_Pi, good luck :)
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11:55<Doctor_Pi>Brigo: or I check myself in to the hospital and ask for a straitjacket.
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11:56<Brigo>missing firmware is a very common problem when installing Debian, don't panic :)
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12:39<dtw>For a certain many-user system I'd like desktop login to return certain default settings and clear others. How would you implement that? One idea is to add /etc/X11/Xsessiond.d/99-restore-defaults script.
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12:46<dtw>Another idea is to mount tmpfs on some ~/.config subdirs.
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14:16<rhiamom>theoretical question: Is it possible to create a working dual boot Debian/Sierra system on one of the new iMacs with the 5K monitor and special chip to help drive that monitor? My first guess is no.
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14:19<SynrG>probably not a huge pool of potentials here to even attempt to answer that
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14:20<rhiamom>Oooh, Apple support says it is possible using the AMD Catalyst driver. Hmmmm
14:20<somiaj>you may have to try, two things to deal with, I would assume 1) is you can dual boot via efi correctly, macs use to have a probelm with this, but I thin their efi is more friendly on newer hardware.
14:21<somiaj>2) does the linux kernel support the hardware. If 1) is doable, the second is just try. Also jessie may not have newenough drivers
14:21<rhiamom>Dear my, the hassle of tracking down all the right drivers for wifi, bluetooth, ack!
14:21<somiaj>most things are supported on a newer kenel + non-free firmware.
14:21<rhiamom>it's Intel, it's supported that way
14:22<rhiamom>I may have to do this just because it is supposed to be possible
14:23<somiaj>most the common broadcom, atheros, realtex wifi/bluetooth are also supported. I think video is the biggest crux
14:23<rhiamom>I think so too, but if official Apple support says it works, it works.
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14:25<rhiamom>Definitely will need a usb stick with the non-free firmware set, but how to get a graphics driver
14:25<skainz_>hello. anyone got an idea how i may run systemd-nspawn as non-priviledged user? fakeroot does not work. :-(
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14:27<Brigo>rhiamom, for netinstall?
14:27<Brigo>if so check http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
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14:28<somiaj>rhiamom: you can get fglrx in jessie, but cataylist is partly going away in favor of amdgpu which has better support in stretch.
14:28<somiaj>,v xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
14:28<judd>Package: xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.1.2-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.2.0-1+b1; stretch: 1.2.0-1+b1
14:28<Brigo>oh! dpkg already knows it!
14:28<Brigo>!firmware images
14:28<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>.
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14:29<somiaj>rhiamom: unsure if a newer kernel and backports would help with that hardware, and if amdgpu is going to work over the blob from ati/amd
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14:30<rhiamom>thank you Brigo, dpkg, somiaj.
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14:31<rhiamom>and judd
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14:33<somiaj>the bots thank you
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14:54<Doctor_Pi>Brigo: I've just burned the non free firmware-8.7.1-amd64-i386-netinst.iso image. Should I just attempt the 32 bit version of Linux and if that works try the 64 bit?
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14:55<somiaj>Doctor_Pi: I would pick the version you want and use it.
14:55<somiaj>Doctor_Pi: almost all modern hardware (x86) shoudl support both
14:55<dboles>with the notable exception of some cheap tablets
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14:56<dboles>which have x64 cpus but no available 64-bit efi loaders
14:56<Doctor_Pi>somiaj: I've got a late '06 iMac that's been giving me no end of headaches.
14:56<dboles>which can probably be hacked around, but seems ilke a real hassle
14:56<somiaj>aren't those arm or do most tablets have x86?
14:56<dboles>i dunno about most, but i've got an acer x64 one
14:56<somiaj>Doctor_Pi: this is one of the early intel macs?
14:56<Doctor_Pi>dboles: yeah that's my iMac a 32 bit efi and a 64 bit cpu
14:56<dboles>somiaj: and i recall reading about a lot of devices with that chipset having the same issue
14:57<dboles>Doctor_Pi: huh, darn
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14:57<somiaj>pick the one that you think will work best, the gain from amd64 may not be worth the hassel, and 32bit works just fine
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14:58<Doctor_Pi>somiaj, dboles: but I heard debian could handle a 32 bit efi and 64 bit cpu.
14:58<dboles>yeah, i dunno why those tablet apus are 64-bit in theory, when they're typically paired with 2 gb of ram...
14:58<somiaj>Probably can, most 64bit cpus can run 32bit kernels
14:58<somiaj>also there is a 64bit kernel for the i386 arch
14:59<dboles>Doctor_Pi: probably, but i read a bit about it, and it seemed quite involved to get it going, and for my tablet it wasn't worth the hassle. maybe in your situation it is
14:59<Doctor_Pi>somiaj, dboles: but yeah I'll stick with a 32 bit kernel.
14:59<somiaj>dboles: most software gets a preformance increasing using 64bit
14:59<somiaj>not all, there are situations 32bit is better, but ram isn't the only concern
14:59<dboles>somiaj: good point
15:00<amacater_>32 bit EFI and 64 bit CPU - yes with the multiarch - and that may be the best way to deal with a Mac
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15:01<Doctor_Pi>somiaj, dboles: I've installed 4G in this iMac, but apparently Mac OS can only access 3G of it. Don't it that will true of Linux.
15:01<somiaj>Doctor_Pi: that 3G is a 32bit addressing limit
15:02<somiaj>you will hit that in debian unless you use the -pae kernel which I think is now default in debian
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15:03<Doctor_Pi>somiaj: but apparently the mac os is running in 64 bit mode, but still only 3G is accessible. Really weird stuff.
15:04<dboles>Doctor_Pi: shared gfx ram, maybe?
15:04<tomcres>Doctor_Pi: Mac OS by default (back then) used to use a 32-bit kernel but could run 64-bit executables
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15:04<Doctor_Pi>tomcres: may that's what's happening. the executables are 64 bit.
15:04<somiaj>Doctor_Pi: unsure there, and the details of osX. I just know that unless there is some hardware limiatation (sometimes even though you have 4gigs of ram, 1 gig is giving the the gpu and not the os)
15:05<somiaj>or it could be an addressing issue and just need a pae kernel.
15:05<tomcres>should work with a -pae or -amd64 kernel
15:06<somiaj>though my experience is just start working with it and deal with things as they come up, though I like to tinker.
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15:08<Doctor_Pi>somiaj, tomcres, dboles: I have attempted in the past to install linux on this iMac. I got grub to give me a menu, but the kernel would immediately lock up when it tried to load. And linux does run here since I'm able to boot from the netinst cd.
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15:11<Doctor_Pi>somiaj, tomcres, dboles: One of the issues could also be that I tried to install to an external USB stick. So grub can see the kernel on the USB, but when the kernel loads the USB driver goes bye bye.
15:11<somiaj>Doctor_Pi: cuold be, I'd try to install on a partition on the internal drive myself.
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15:11<somiaj>though I find usb2 to be very slow and not worth running an os on
15:12<Doctor_Pi>somiaj, tomcres, dboles: yes, this what I will try to do. i386 Linux on a separate partition on the builtin drive.
15:13<Doctor_Pi>somiaj, tomcres, dboles: thanks for all your assistance.
15:13<somiaj>best of luck, and if you run into issues you can ask here, though others may know more about mac hardware than I, as I don't use it.
15:14<dboles>Doctor_Pi: enjoy!
15:14<Doctor_Pi>somiaj, tomcres, dboles: Will check back in and report on my success or failure.
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16:00<Doctor_Pi>somiaj, tomcres, dboles: The firmware multiarch netinst cd asked for an external USB stick for where it could find the drivers for my wireless lan! So I ignored the issue and tried to install a base system. I got a grub menu, but the kernel locked after complaining about no driver for the built-in webcam (usb device called iSight).
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16:02<somiaj>Doctor_Pi: how did you create the usb stick you booted from? The firmware image should not need to ask for an extrenal usb for that
16:02<Doctor_Pi>Debian also installed grub menu options for 32 and 64 bit mac os. Both those kernels panicked when I tried to boot them.
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16:03<Doctor_Pi>somiaj: no I booted from a cd.
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16:03<somiaj>ahh, still seems strange the firmware image is asking for firmware
16:03<somiaj>!firmware image
16:03<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>.
16:04<somiaj>maybe try just the 32bit installer, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/i386/iso-cd/firmware-8.7.1-i386-netinst.iso
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16:05<Doctor_Pi>somiaj: will attempt that. But later since I've run out of time today.
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16:06<Doctor_Pi>somiaj: I don't even think it's the lack of driver for the built-in iSight camera that's causing the kernel to lock up.
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16:13<somiaj>Doctor_Pi: unsure, I don't use mac hardware, so can only give pointers of things I have seen here or run into myself
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16:13<Doctor_Pi>somiaj: I understand.
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22:11<bubba>mission control, we have a problem...
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22:13<bubba>when we try to update the "Tor" 6.0.0.8 to 6.5, she downloads and errors out with signature verification fails
22:14<bubba>but we add a new tor to the home directory tor works fine from that new added browser, any ideas here?
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22:18<lok[m]>How to move in Uefi from left to right
22:18<lok[m]>Tablet
22:18<ryouma> no idea what youa re talking about, but i heard that the downloaded from package bundle fails to update
22:19<ryouma> no idea what youa re talking about, but i heard that the "downloaded from debian package" bundle fails to update
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22:20<bubba>ok, thanks ryouma
22:20<bubba>just confirming this
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22:21<bubba>tor dwnloads and then fails on the signature
22:22<ryouma>yeah
22:22<bubba>and claims we might be under attack or the netwrk is mal functioning, lol
22:22<bubba>seems weirdo
22:22<ryouma>a long time ago such problems were caused by teh server not having a filename or version that matched what the debian packaee thought it should
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22:23<ryouma>some apparmor hack or something
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22:23<bubba>ok, so Iam not alone on this?
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22:24<ryouma>doubt it
22:25<ryouma>check the bug server. probably been sitting there buggy for years.
22:25<bubba>ok, thanks for fast and friendly the input ryouma
22:25<ryouma>:)
22:25<bubba>you rock
22:25<ryouma>wish i had the solution
22:26<bubba>well download a new copy and stick it in your home
22:26<bubba>thats all i could think of
22:26<bubba>after screwing with it for 2 dats
22:26<bubba>days^
22:29<bubba>ok, thanks again for conformation, and now will disappear into a cloud of smoke,
22:29<bubba>gn
22:29<Arcade>quick question: does apt-get now download two files at once now? Is the setting tweak-able to one download?
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23:57<osboxes>tes
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