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01:54<olspookishmagus>*cricket* https://productforums.google.com/forum/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer#!msg/gmail/o6HDTZrsd1U/yIDVbvhUBQAJ
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02:02<lok[m]>Who is live and fee
02:02<lok[m]>Free
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02:05<somiaj>please don't msg people, just ask the question here, also what do you mean by which servers do I sue with phone?
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02:07<lok[m]>Ftp server
02:07<lok[m]>Plex server
02:07<lok[m]>Ssh server
02:07<lok[m]>Are all of them fall under any category?
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02:07<lok[m]>If they have app
02:07<lok[m]>I want to know similar other apps
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02:08<lok[m]>Are they called as services or daemon instead of server?
02:08<somiaj>this really isn't the place to ask about apps for phones, maybe try an andriod channel.
02:08<somiaj>or am I not understanding what you are asking.
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02:14<alibaba>list
02:15<alibaba>exit
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02:33<voom>I'm having an odd problem after upgrading to stretch. I have a couple of luks partitions, when they are enabled the system refuses to boot, the luks password prompt at boot never comes up. I found that setting the kernel parameter 'single' allows it to appear and boot as normal after the process. I also notice the plymouth theme can't be changed. I tried changing it repeatedly, running update-initramfs, it doesn't change.
02:34<somiaj>you shouldn't cross post, same question was just asked on freenode
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02:36<voom>opinion noted
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03:58<r4f_debian>Hi all, I'm trying to download a video through youtube using 'youtube-dl' tool; but it generates an error for this specific video: https://paste.debian.net/910657/
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04:04<jm_>try using a newer version first
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04:12<grove>r4f_debian: I haven't seen that error, but in general I get by fine with the version of youtube-dl from backports. (I also have a manually installed version in ~/bin, that I update wih `~/bin/youtube-dl -U` (as myself, so it's hard for it to ruin anything) for the rare cases when I want to download a video that can't be handled with the properly installed one
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04:18<r4f_debian>Hi grove, nice to meet you here ! :)
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04:19<r4f_debian>I see grove, could you please, tell me in terms of percentage, how many videos you can download without any issue ? 90%, 95% of them of even more than it ?
04:19<r4f_debian>or even more than it ?
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04:26<r4f_debian>Please, I have other issue here now: when I use 'apt-get update' I get this issue: 100% [Connecting to debian.csail.mit.edu (128.30.2.26)]
04:26<r4f_debian>it takes a long time to finish the update process
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04:31<Echoz>r4f_debian: what's your youtube-dl version? that command works for me
04:32<Echoz>and regarding debian.csail.mit.edu, see if you can reach the address, otherwise you'll probably have to change your mirrors
04:32<r4f_debian>Hi Echoz, I don't remember how to check the version
04:32<Echoz>r4f_debian: youtube-dl --version
04:32<r4f_debian>ok, let me see it here, thanks Echoz, I will pass the information soon
04:33<r4f_debian>root@r4fdeb:~# youtube-dl --version
04:33<r4f_debian>2014.08.05
04:33<Echoz>r4f_debian: you should remove the package and install it through pip instead, my version is 2016.09.04.1
04:33<r4f_debian>I will use the backported version, as grove has suggested me, Echoz, hope it can fix this issue
04:34<r4f_debian>through pip ?
04:34<Echoz>r4f_debian: backports might work as well, but pip will most likely be more recent
04:34<Echoz>python-pip, some sort of package manager for python scripts
04:34<r4f_debian> I see Echoz, that is your case in your debian ? Do you use this more recent version ?
04:35<Echoz>r4f_debian: Yeah, I've only checked on my mail server right now, but that's what i had there (to download region restricted videos)
04:36<Echoz>I just upgraded it, and got this version: 2017.01.25, which seems to be from yesterday
04:36<r4f_debian>did you do it now, and got this version ? 2017.01.25 ?
04:36<Echoz>r4f_debian: Yes
04:37<r4f_debian>ok Echoz, how do I install it ?
04:37<Echoz>r4f_debian: first install the debian package "python-pip"
04:37<petn-randall>hey r4f_debian, you're not in #debian-offtopic :)
04:37<r4f_debian>ok
04:37<Echoz>and remove youtube-dl if you still have it to avoid conflicts
04:37<Echoz>then you can run "pip install youtube-dl" as root
04:38<r4f_debian>Hi petn-randall, of course not, I'm getting support for a debian application, what is the problem about asking here ?
04:38<petn-randall>r4f_debian: I'm not saying you should ask there, I'm just wondering why you're not *also* in there to chat :)
04:38<r4f_debian>ok Echoz, I will do it
04:39<r4f_debian>oh, I see, petn-randall, now you made me to feel scared here :) lol
04:39<r4f_debian>yes, I will enter there now, thanks for suggestion, nice to meet you again ! :)
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05:39<pombreda>Hiya :) is t correct to say that when a package is rebuilt and rereleased, all the binary packages built from the same source package are also rebuilt and rereleased?
05:39<pombreda>eg. a binary package is never rebuilt, but only the source package is rebuilt?
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05:40<pombreda>and that all the binaries built from a source package have the same version (and possibly epoch)?
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05:41<petn-randall>pombreda: I would say that source packages are "built", the building step usually creates binary packages from source packages. But yes, every time a new source package is uploaded to Debian, the corresponding binary packages are built from it.
05:42<petn-randall>pombreda: Not sure what you mean with "a binary package is never rebuilt, but only the source package is rebuilt?", you might have some assumptions about how packaging/building works that don't hold up.
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05:54<pombreda>petn-randall: thanks I may not have been entirely clear, but your answer clarifies it all for me :)
05:54<petn-randall>pombreda: Good to hear. Feel free to ask any further questions if you have any.
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06:26<pombreda>petn-randall: sure will. Basically, binary packages are built from the source package. And any rebuild of one given source will create a new generation of binaries. All these binaries will have the same exact version but different names.
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06:30<pombreda>and here is another one: there is one funny thing .... some .deb/.udeb packages are missing a copyright file: in one case usr/share/doc/<name>/ is a symlink to another doc, and the copyright file is provided typically by a dependent package. Yet it is still missing in the sense than the .deb is not whole IMHO
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06:31<petn-randall>pombreda: If it has a dependency to that other package you can never have the state the the symlink is dangling.
06:31<petn-randall>pombreda: Is there any specific package you're currently looking at?
06:31<pombreda>in the other case for .udeb micro packages, it may never be available anywhere in another .deb but can only be found in the sources... either direct or as a patch. Which makes the .udeb case a tad weird for sure. I reckon the goal of saving spaces, but this seem at the expense of clarity and compliance
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06:33<pombreda>petn-randall: the symlink is not dangling when you install the .deb... but it is if you consider that single .deb alone, not installed but as a single download: e.g. http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/python2.7/libpython2.7-stdlib_2.7.9-2+deb8u1_arm64.deb
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06:34<pombreda>and afaics in the .udeb case, a copyright is never available (unless you get the sources)
06:34<petn-randall>pombreda: It's not a problem IMHO though, since that binary package alone is useless, and it's in the source file itself.
06:35<pombreda>petn-randall: what do you mean? for .udeb or symlinks?
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06:37<pombreda>petn-randall: fwiw, the fact that a package is useless alone is something that matters if you check an individual package. It just makes things less clear when you have to chase these copyright file
06:37<pombreda>*is something that DOES NOT matter ;)
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06:42<petn-randall>pombreda: 'apt-get source <package>', and you have the sources, including copyright statement.
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06:43<pombreda>petn-randall: sure, I know. It just make things a tad complicated for me when I am inventorying the whole debian archive
06:43<pombreda>and ubuntu too for that matter
06:43<petn-randall>pombreda: Oh, you're downloading individual packages from the website?
06:44<petn-randall>pombreda: What exactly are you looking for, though?
06:44<pombreda>petn-randall: eventually, but for now only a few.
06:45<pombreda>petn-randall: I am building a detailed catalog of all the packages metadata with a focus on providing accurate provenance (e.g. origin and license)
06:45<pombreda>so I am just hitting a few corner cases of course ;)
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06:48<petn-randall>pombreda: I think that has already been done, let me look for the details.
06:48<pombreda>petn-randall: thanks :)
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06:49<jm_>lwn had some articles about tools inspecting code for licences
06:49<petn-randall>pombreda: This is probably of interest to you: https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/
06:49<pombreda>petn-randall: I have the base mechanics working fine in most cases and this for arbitrary debian repos or ISOs ATM.
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06:49<petn-randall>pombreda: You could probably parse the source's debian/copyright first, and if that fails fall back to the (less reliable) other options.
06:50<pombreda>petn-randall: I am parsing these copyright alright btw, though only some file are machine readable at this stage, but that is not the issue. The issue to to get consistently to the copyright file.
06:50<petn-randall>pombreda: Grab them from the source packages, they're always in debian/copyright.
06:50<pombreda>and I have the reliable fallback option with my scancode-toolkit in the copyright is not in format 1.0 or dep5
06:51<pombreda>petn-randall: they're always in debian/copyright...unless they are in a patch file?
06:51<pombreda>when the upstream project may have provided a /debian/ dir already?
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06:52<petn-randall>pombreda: I'm not talking about upstream source, I'm talking about the source packages provides by the Debian project.
06:52<pombreda>yes, but this may be a patch to the upstream debian/ at time
06:53<pombreda>especially for debian derivatives
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06:55<pombreda>well, I guess I will have to handle the patches case alright. This is tad more engaged and not too frequent but that sounds the only way in these cases
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07:04<pombreda>I guess I should dig in how https://packages.debian.org is built. or the pts with https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/qa/distro-tracker.git/
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07:05<pombreda>and https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/webwml/packages.git/
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08:02<petn-randall>pombreda: Patches? They usually always have the same license as the upstream project.
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08:33<pdo_fn14>It's strange situation folks, I've tired with SystemMaxUse option in /etc/systemd/journald.conf
08:33<pdo_fn14>Trying to set it to 50M, and still doesn't work.
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08:34<pdo_fn14>I using systemd in jessie-backports
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08:37<petn-randall>pdo_fn14: What "doesn't work"?
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08:37<petn-randall>!doesnt work
08:37<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
08:38<pdo_fn14>petn-randall, I try to uncomment SystemMaxUse option in /etc/systemd/journald.conf and set it up to 50M (50 MB)
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08:38<pdo_fn14>but here's output from journalctl log
08:39<pdo_fn14>Jan 26 19:33:24 ASMDT-TN14 systemd-journald[764]: Runtime journal (/run/log/journal/) is 4.3M, max 34.7M, 30.4M free.
08:39<petn-randall>pdo_fn14: Did you restart journald after the change?
08:39<pdo_fn14>I did #systemctl reboot instead restarting journald
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08:41<petn-randall>pdo_fn14: Can you paste the complete /etc/systemd/journald.conf, and also the log output from journald? → http://paste.debian.net
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08:43<pdo_fn14>petn-randall, "and also the log output from journald?" did you mean journalctl or something else?.
08:44<petn-randall>pdo_fn14: That's fine, yeah.
08:44<pdo_fn14>Okay, will reboot and tell it later.
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08:45<petn-randall>pdo_fn14: Ok, see you then.
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08:48<Bl4ckK4ne>hello
08:48<Echoz>Hello
08:48<petn-randall>hi Bl4ckK4ne
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08:56<pdo_fn14>petn-randall, http://pastebin.com/X5UPw0DJ
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09:00<petn-randall>pdo_fn14: I'd play around with the other options mentioned in the man page.
09:00<pdo_fn14>petn-randall, I still get stucked with man page.
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09:13<Bl4ckK4ne>can you help me
09:13<itd_>!ask
09:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:14<petn-randall>Bl4ckK4ne: see above what dpkg says.
09:15<grove>petn-randall: He left just after dpkg spoke
09:16<petn-randall>!next
09:16<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
09:16<blast007>so then I guess the answer was "no, we can't help you" ;)
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09:23<GPenguin>:)
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09:25<GPenguin>when you make the config before building a kernel the old fashioned way you can select "?" for every config option and it describes what the option does
09:25<GPenguin>do you know what i mean?
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09:26<itd_>GPenguin: Maybe, please continue.
09:27<GPenguin>so i try to find where these descriptive texts for all those config options is stored so that i can put them together and print it
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09:36<grove>GPenguin: Not really a debian question, but it's in the Kconfig files spread around the source
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09:38<GPenguin>thank you
09:38<derpy>hey, i am having some trouble with debian for the cobalt qube2, trying to install from nfs, but shortly after i select "install ssh" or "install serial" (in terms of what protocol to use to do the setup stuff) it just halts and throwing the error "invalid ELF file" in the serial console
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09:46<derpy>hello?
09:46<itd_>derpy: Hello.
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09:48<derpy>itd_, does anybody here knows about debian_cobalt?
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09:48<GPenguin>derpy: i have no idea but did you get the right architecture for the cube?
09:49<itd_>derpy: if it is mips you could try #debian-mips
09:49<derpy>according to the tutorial its mipsel, and the cobalt folders in the ftp are also in mipsel, so i guess so
09:50<derpy>there was a posting on the debian mailing list some 10 years ago telling to replace the cmos battery, done that, but no change
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09:52<GPenguin>then what itd_ said: #debian-mips with lots of patience
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10:15<crispy>hey
10:15<crispy>anybody here?
10:15<somiaj>!ask
10:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
10:16<crispy>!ask
10:16<crispy>what ever
10:16<crispy>where is the people
10:16<crispy>i thought there were alot of people o irc
10:16<crispy>'?
10:16<somiaj>this is a support channel, with lots of people. But most are busy and are here to answer questions/help with debian, if you have a question just ask. If you are looking to be social and chat, use other channels.
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10:18<duclicsic>crispy: how is anyone here going to know if they can help you before you've posed your question?
10:18<duclicsic>ask it, and if someone is available and can help, i'm sure they will
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10:22<ThomasKeller>I am trying to install wheezy over the network (not from CD)
10:22<ThomasKeller>I get an error: mirror does not support the specified release (oldstable)
10:23<duclicsic>why wheezy?
10:23<ThomasKeller>which mirror should I use to install wheezy ?
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10:25<duclicsic>ThomasKeller: have you tried using "wheezy" in place of "oldstable"?
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10:29<ThomasKeller>duclicsic: I don't know where the "oldstable" comes from
10:29<ThomasKeller>I am not provideing it
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10:30<duclicsic>look at your /etc/apt/sources.list
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10:30<duclicsic>i'm honestly not sure if "oldstable" is valid in there, but "wheezy" certainly should be
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10:30<duclicsic>a direct find and replace of the former for the latter should work fine
10:32<blast007>ThomasKeller: as for what mirror, have you tried deb.debian.org or httpredir.debian.org / http.debian.net ?
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11:28<ivan>hello to everyone, I have a question about dpkg: I've seen that dpkg maps the files installed by a package to it's package name with the corresponding file in /var/lib/dpkg/info/<packagename>.list, does this file is generated by dpkg at install time of the package? I have not found any documentation about how this file is placed there and by whom
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11:30<dondelelcaro>ivan: it's generated by dpkg at install time
11:31<ivan>thanks thought that was the only possible answer
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11:32<dondelelcaro>ivan: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/dpkg/dpkg.git/tree/src/filesdb.c is the code that uses and modifies it
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11:33<mtcj>What determines if a prompt will appear asking the user if they want to replace configuration files when installing a package?
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11:33<dondelelcaro>mtcj: in general, if the configuration file has been modified
11:34<mtcj>I meant what part of the package installation software
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11:34<dondelelcaro>mtcj: dpkg does for conffiles, for some other things, it's the package postinst script.
11:34<mtcj>Ok
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11:35<ivan>dondelelcaro: thank you! looked around the source but did not found where that piece of code was
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11:48<somiaj>mtcj: debconf keeps checksums of the config files
11:48<ronaldo>hello
11:48<ronaldo>is br?
11:48<somiaj>.br
11:48<somiaj>!br
11:48<dpkg>Este canal Ă© apenas em inglĂȘs. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:04<root080>hi
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13:05<root080>Who can penetrate the Web site in exchange for a sum of money
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13:21<spacebug->I changed my router to give my network card another IP using DHCP but I'm not getting the new IP even if I disable and enable the the network through network manager
13:21<spacebug->dhclient -r also does not work
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13:46<MarkL1>I have installed opensuse along with debian but the initial screen to chose the sistem, I don't remember the name, does not recognize opensuse so in the list I see just debian and ubuntu, why?
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13:53<jrms>MarkL1: so you installed ubuntu too?
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14:05<spooky>i have a question. every once in a while, after a few weeks, xchat will close down. does anyone know why and how i can stop this? i'm running debian/gnome
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14:07<tomcres>spooky: I don't know. xchat has been unmaintained for several years. I thought everyone had switched to hexchat by now.
14:07<clue>i tried running hexchat and it wouldn't even load for me
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14:08<spooky>yes. i tried hex and it starts and immediately crashes
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14:09<tomcres>wow. never had a problem with hexchat other than not being able to force IPv4 instead of IPv6.
14:10<MarkL1>spooky, then could be a your system problem, recently I have used both xchat and hexchat, never had problems with them on Jessie
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14:11<spooky>MarkLI: is there a way to know for sure if it's my system or something configured wrong?
14:14<spooky>btw: just tired sudo apt-get install hexchat and it didn't work.
14:14<spooky>what am i doing wrong?
14:14<MarkL1>spooky, I am not an expert
14:15<spooky>i did su -
14:16<MarkL1>spooky, install them from synaptic if you are not that expert
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14:18<spooky>MarkLI: thanks. will try that
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14:19<MarkL1>spooky, np
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14:26<MarkL1>jrms, yes I have debian ubuntu and opensuse
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14:27<Brigo>MarkL1, please don't crosspost
14:27<Brigo>!crosspost
14:27<dpkg>Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
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14:28<MarkL1>Brigo, I have not seen any answer here before I have posted on freenode
14:29<MarkL1>Brigo, 45 minutes ago, it's not enough??? haha
14:29<Brigo>MarkL1, it could be.
14:30<MarkL1>Brigo, ok :)
14:32<dalbuquerque>Hi, anybody can help-me?
14:32<dalbuquerque>I'm trying to create a package .deb and It will overwrite some files of other package.
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14:33<dalbuquerque>I created the .deb package, but when I run dpkg -i this give me a error saying It can not overwrite a file from other package.
14:33<dalbuquerque>so I have no glue what I can do to solve this... Anyone?
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14:34<dtw>What do you want to do?
14:34<dalbuquerque>I tried with --force but this dont work too.
14:34<dalbuquerque>I want overwrite a theme.conf of cairo-dock on /usr/share/cairo-dock/
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14:35<dtw>dpkg-divert can move files away.
14:35<dalbuquerque>dpkg-divert, I have to put this on my preinst script?
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14:36<dtw>I don't remember the details but it can move other packages' files temporarily away while your package is installed.
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14:37<tomcres>there is a manual for dpkg-divert: man dpkg-divert
14:38<dalbuquerque>I will check the dpkg-divert ;) thank you
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15:09<namosca>All of a sudden, I cant see my USB stick when I plug it, but I can burn iso images on it using the dd command... Another PC with Debian also cannot see see the USB, but I can boot the system with it. How should I make my USB visible again from Debian??
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15:10<namosca>Weird... now that dd is done, I can see the USB again!
15:10<tomcres>magic! :-)
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15:12<dboles>see it *where*?
15:12<dboles>file managers will only display it if they find a compatible filesystem to mount
15:12<papamoose>anyone got a minute to help me exclude a file while building a pip deb package? Right now I do the following: http://pastebin.com/F3Czxn26
15:12<dboles>which is probably what dd just put on it
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15:31<jrms>papamoose: better ask on #packaging I would say... or #debian-mentors
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15:38<papamoose>jrms: thanks.
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18:44<mike_>distrowatch says debian testing on kernel 4.9.. but fresh install shows 4.8... apt dist-upgrade says no updates
18:46<dboles>it only migrated on the 24th, so it might've not reached your source yet
18:46<dboles>https://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux.html
18:46<dboles>also, this channel is for the stable release, so #debian-next seems more appropriate
18:46<SynrG>mike_: my testing systems are all on 4.9 now
18:47<SynrG>mike_: "fresh install" includes apt update and apt dist-upgrade?
18:48<SynrG>mike_: keep in mind if you ran a testing installer, the installer probably contains its own kernel, so until you upgrade right after the install, you may not have the latest.
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18:48<mike_>SynrG: fresh install meaning i just installed... ran sudo apt update then sudo apt dist-upgrade
18:48<SynrG>mike_: check if you're missing the metapackage
18:48<SynrG>do you have linux-image-amd64?
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18:49<SynrG>(or whatever your arch is; i'm assuming amd64, the most popular one)
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18:49<SynrG>mike_: apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64
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18:50<mike_>linux-image-amd64 install it dep's right now... was not installed
18:50<SynrG>and that installs 4.9 now?
18:51<mike_>yes
18:51<SynrG>also keep in mind that if you ran the testing installer, it's for testing the installer, not for installing testing ...
18:51<SynrG>the only sure-fire way to install testing without experiencing installer issues is install stable, then upgrade.
18:53<mike_>i think last time i installed stable.. then testing... i had more issues.. with it going to plasma 5
18:53<SynrG>mike_: you were probably in the middle of the kde transition
18:54<mike_>probably that was a few years ago
18:54<SynrG>why don't you join #debian-next where we can discuss in more detail? including "check the status of transitions affecting you before installing/upgrading" :)
18:54<SynrG>install stable then upgrade to testing remains your best option, even if you had problems in the past
18:54<mike_>ok
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21:12<AlexLikeRock>hi r4f_debian
21:13<AlexLikeRock>welcome
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21:18<futurama140>I have a problem for which I need URGENT help as I only have 12 hours before the system in question MUST be working: I have a lenovo g50-45 and I am trying to install debian 8 with cinnamon (x64) and anytime I get to the GRUB install, it says thagt it cannot instqall grub bootloader. How can I fix this?
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21:22<AlexLikeRock>install without GRUB
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21:23<AlexLikeRock>then boot by this other CD
21:23<AlexLikeRock>http://www.supergrubdisk.org/super-grub2-disk/
21:23<futurama140>when i try to install without grub, the installer locks up, and i have no CD, only USB
21:23<AlexLikeRock>well, other USB
21:24<futurama140>sorry, i was being acute with the cd thing
21:24<futurama140>but when i try to install without the grub or lilo, the whole installer just hangs
21:24<AlexLikeRock>do you change UEFI to LEGACY ?
21:24<AlexLikeRock>at BIOS ?
21:24<futurama140>ive tried 2 seperate usbs, and checked my md5 to ensure file integrity
21:25<AlexLikeRock>its soo frecuently FAIL GRUB to install
21:25<AlexLikeRock>:-D
21:25<futurama140>i dont know how to do that on that particular laptop... ill google that... that might just be my problem
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21:26<futurama140>(it seems i have the only laptop in the world that doesnt use F# keys or DEL to enter bios, i have to shut the system down entirely and hit a tiny button with a pen on the back of the system
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21:28<futurama140>AlexLikeRock: NOTED! boot mode was set to legacy, I will check and see if that fixed it!
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21:29<AlexLikeRock>go to BIOS = F2
21:30<futurama140>AlexLikeRock: UEFI boot mode doesnt allow me to boot from USB
21:30<AlexLikeRock>and disabled "secure Boot"
21:30<AlexLikeRock>UEFI SUCKS!
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21:33<futurama140>AlexLikeRock: now i cant boot at all
21:33<AlexLikeRock>its question ?
21:34<futurama140>AlexLikeRock: the only option i have in boot menu is "EFI PXE Network" and nothing else
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21:34<futurama140>i cant boot from USB or anything... and i have no OS installed
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21:35<AlexLikeRock>yes
21:36<futurama140>i have NO network to boot from- it says "no bootable device" when i try to boot in UEFI mode
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21:38<AlexLikeRock>do you change USB to first level ?
21:38<AlexLikeRock>do you finish yo instalation WITHOUT grub
21:38<AlexLikeRock>??
21:40<futurama140>i cant do install without grub, it locks up when i try to do thaat~
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22:29<sergio-br2>hi
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22:30<sergio-br2>I split a package, my case is #8: https://wiki.debian.org/PackageTransition
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22:30<sergio-br2>I added Break & Replace, but still it's breaking my system
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22:30<sergio-br2>it's install B without purging the old A
22:31<sergio-br2>*it's installing B
22:31<futurama140>AlexLikeRock: ITs not working!!
22:31<AlexLikeRock>what ?
22:31<AlexLikeRock>USB " ?
22:31<AlexLikeRock>usb 2?
22:31<AlexLikeRock>supertux ?
22:31<futurama140>AlexLikeRock: i got the debian installed without grub
22:31<AlexLikeRock>super grub ?
22:31<futurama140>i made the USB with supergrub using unetbootin
22:31<futurama140>and switched to UEFI
22:32<futurama140>and its trying to boot from network
22:32<AlexLikeRock>forget network
22:32<AlexLikeRock>you must boot by USB-DRIVE
22:32<futurama140>i cqant
22:32<AlexLikeRock>why ?
22:32<futurama140>there is no option for usb when i switch to uefi
22:33<AlexLikeRock>why you change to UEFI ?
22:33<futurama140>anytime i change from legacy to uefi, the ONLY thing that comes up is boot from network
22:33<AlexLikeRock>you need legacy
22:33<futurama140>ok
22:33<AlexLikeRock>i will back ....
22:33<AlexLikeRock> reboot
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22:36<sergio-br2>Can I do
22:36<sergio-br2>A:
22:36<sergio-br2>Depends: B (= ${source:Version})
22:36<sergio-br2>B:
22:36<sergio-br2>Pre-Depends: A (>> 1)
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22:36<sergio-br2>crap
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22:37<r4f_debian>Only now I saw your greeting here, I was absent, sorry, AlexLikeRock, thanks, Friend ! :)
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22:38<sergio-br2>ok, pasted it to here: https://hastebin.com/fatirihani.scala
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22:39<sergio-br2>can I do that? the first statement is not working
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22:42<futurama140>AlexLikeRock: when i boot from USB with the supergrub, unetbootin shows only default is option. it goes in loop every 10 seconds.
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22:43<AlexLikeRock>grrrrrr
22:43<AlexLikeRock>do you detect OS ???
22:44<futurama140>i dont know how to do that
22:44<bruce>quit
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22:47<futurama140>how do i detect with nothing...?
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23:02<futurama140>AlexLikeRock : http://imgur.com/a/CLWbD
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23:04<AlexLikeRock>this option http://www.supergrubdisk.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/sgd2_2.00s1b1_main_screen.png
23:05<AlexLikeRock>do you do ?
23:06<futurama140>AlexLikeRock: I don't get that far.
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23:07<futurama140>AlexLikeRock: after Debian install, I shut down, and put in SuperGrub USB, and boot up PC, go to Boot manager, boot from USB, then I get the Screen I show you
23:08<AlexLikeRock>select
23:08<AlexLikeRock>DETECT ANY OS
23:09<futurama140>AlexLikeRock: I ONLY GET http://imgur.com/a/CLWbD
23:09<futurama140>there is NO "DETECT ANY OS"
23:10<AlexLikeRock>too bad
23:10<AlexLikeRock>what version of SUPER GRUB select ?
23:10<futurama140>2
23:11<futurama140>AlexLIkeRock: Super Grub2 Disk (CD & USB in one) 2.02s6 (ISO)[Mirror #1]
23:11<futurama140>this one
23:11<AlexLikeRock> Download stable Super Grub2 Disk
23:11<AlexLikeRock>Download beta Super Grub2 Disk
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23:15<AlexLikeRock>ok,
23:15<AlexLikeRock> you isntall NORMAL
23:15<AlexLikeRock>download BETA, and try again
23:15<AlexLikeRock>;-)
23:17<futurama140>ok, i need to find beta
23:17<AlexLikeRock>i forget
23:17<AlexLikeRock> Unetboot, sucks ! some times
23:18<AlexLikeRock>i use last time, and not work like you
23:18<futurama140>this one?
23:18<futurama140>http://www.supergrubdisk.org/category/download/supergrub2diskdownload/super-grub2-disk-beta/
23:18<AlexLikeRock>in my case no boot super grub
23:18<futurama140>is from 2015
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23:19<AlexLikeRock>this pic, http://imgur.com/a/CLWbD not show SUPER GRUB , , only show UNETBOOT MENU
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23:20<futurama140>yes
23:20<futurama140>i know this
23:20<futurama140>OK NOW: Server not found Firefox can't find the server at forja.cenatic.es.
23:22<futurama140>AlexLikeRock: i cant get to website with beta
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23:25<AlexLikeRock>oh nooo
23:26<AlexLikeRock>its tooo bad
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23:31<AlexLikeRock>take https://sourceforge.net/projects/supergrub2/files/2.02s5/super_grub2_disk_hybrid_2.02s5.iso/download
23:32<AlexLikeRock>or S6
23:32<AlexLikeRock>https://sourceforge.net/projects/supergrub2/files/2.02s6/
23:32<AlexLikeRock>they say , HYBRID = support to UEFI
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23:43<futurama140>AlexLikeRock: Still no work
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23:45<AlexLikeRock>hard way :
23:45<AlexLikeRock>download DEBIAN-LIVE
23:46<somiaj>don't use unetbootin for debian images, what is the actual issue? What os are you trying to make the usb image from?
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23:46<somiaj>also debian-live does nto support efi, if you want to use efi boot you have to use the offical isntallers (not the live images)
23:47<futurama140>debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-cinnamon-desktop+nonfree.iso
23:47<somiaj>you won't get efi with that, but besides that, what os are in trying to make tha timage from?
23:48<somiaj>well trying to copy it to a usb drive from?
23:48<futurama140>the same
23:48<somiaj>'the same', that doens't answer what os.
23:48<futurama140>debian 8.7.1 cinnamon
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23:50<somiaj>if you want to create a bootable usb from a debian.iso in a linux os, use cp. 'cp debian.iso /dev/sdX' where /dev/sdX is your usb drive device (like /dev/sdc -- also use /dev/sdc not /dev/sdc1 and make sure it is your usb device, this will destory all data ont he device you copy it to)
23:52<lsass>or use dd if=<iso> of=/dev/sdb bs=4M
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23:55<Guest1703>hello
23:55<futurama140>i had heard people mentioning (not outright, only alluding to) debian not working via netbootin, but nobody had actually SAID that before
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23:57<futurama140>somiaj: i dont care about uefi, i just want to install debian on this POS lenovo and have it actually boot
23:57<Heston>why hasn't debian pulled EFI support from ubuntu?
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23:58<somiaj>Heston: debian has efi support and it works good. Debian just doesn't have live images that support it.
23:59<somiaj>!unetbootin
23:59<dpkg>UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
23:59<futurama140>HOLY SHIT. the stuff is actually **working** this time! Why is it that it has taken me 3 days of googling and posting on unix stackexchangge for someone to finally tell me just to use "CP" and not unetbootin???
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