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00:00<somiaj>futurama140: if you read the installation guide it says this. Also the debian installers are a little bit better than the one on the live image, but if that live image works for you go for it (the only issue I see people have with the live images in some cases grub wont' install properly)
00:00<Heston>somiaj, any idea why?
00:00<Heston>or just not a priority
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00:01<somiaj>Heston: partly the debian-live team had a split a year (or so) ago and hasn't had enough resources/time to include new efatures in the live build
00:02<somiaj>Heston: Debian just really doesn't have a strong live enviroment. Debian has a lot of thigns going for it, a strong/robust live system isnt' one. Its live system is there, but it is kinda limited compared to other live distros out there.
00:02<Heston>there must be a lot of duplicated efforts between debian and ubuntu for livecds
00:03<somiaj>well when debian started providing live-cd's its goals where different. Debian wanted to provide a system to build live-enviroments (live-build) and then allow users to build custom live enviroments from their collection of packages on debian.
00:04<somiaj>so the focus was to create the build enviroment over just live cds, the the split of the debian-live team, and the project is mostly in matiance mode where new live enviroments are built but I haven't seen many new features added to the live-build
00:04<futurama140>somiaj: i'm using "graphical installer" and just came to an issue: it cant detect and mount cdrom: But i am using USB. I went back to the list of install steps, clicked on detect and mount cdrom, and this time it is working, it finished partitioning and is now installing. do you know what happened?
00:04<somiaj>while ubuntu and other places focused more on using live enviorments to showcase things.
00:05<futurama140>i dont care if i use a live image or not, i just dont know how to install without a GUI interface...
00:05<somiaj>futurama140: that 'cannot detect cdrom' is a common artifact to unetbootin. Mostly this happens because debian live images are already bootable and complete, but unetbootin tries to make them bootable doing its own thing. This thing messes with out the install system is expecting to work.
00:06<futurama140>so in the future i should do a full format of the USB before cp-ing the iso to the USB if i had had a previous unetbootin on the USB?
00:06<Heston>somiaj, ah that sounds really cool
00:06<somiaj>there is very little difference between the text and graphical install in debian-installer, one just uses a mouse to select things, the other's arrow keys.
00:06<somiaj>Heston: in theory, in practice the live system just isnt' as good as other places (unless you want to read though the docs and build your own custom one)
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00:07<futurama140>Ok, so i really should just get the regular debian ISO... i need to check to find one that includes non-free with it.
00:07<somiaj>!firmware installer
00:07<dpkg>Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>.
00:07<somiaj>!firmware images
00:07<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>.
00:08<futurama140>right, that's where i got the ISO i'm using from
00:09<futurama140>GRUB is finally installing
00:10<somiaj>also when using the live-image to install, it is better to boot it into the installer and install from that (sounds like what you are doing) over boot into the live image and then install from the live iamge
00:11<futurama140>yea, no longer going to use the live image for anything....
00:11<futurama140>i have no purpose for the live image, other than i'm a n00b and thought that would be the easiest way to do it
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00:13<futurama140>I'm totally unprepared for debian distros, but having used ubuntu for the last couple years, and then having a friend of mine put debian on this system, i hqave found that debian is vastly more stable than ubuntu
00:13<somiaj>plus the offical installers have uefi support (though debian doens't have secure boot support out of the box...yet)
00:14<somiaj>debian goes through a much longer testing/bugfixing/release cycle and then doesn't change things once its done....side affect, packages don't have all the fancy new features, but this is a common attitude of people who use debian
00:14<somiaj>!sns
00:14<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
00:14<futurama140>i have a friend who had his windows 10 crash, and is so incredibly paranoid of the data mining that he dropped off his laptop with me and said "put debian on this, i'll be back on friday"
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00:15<futurama140>this guy hasn't touched a PC since 1999
00:16<futurama140>i cant talk him out of it, but man is it sure stressing me the hell out trying to put the debian on it that i am not qualified to troubleshoot yet
00:16<somiaj>I like to think of it as a learning exerience
00:17<futurama140>ok: the next (and final) problem: I don't know how to set up the wifi on the new system now
00:17<futurama140>it is not being automatically detected
00:17<somiaj>is this with the firmware installer?
00:17<somiaj>is this on jessie? Can you let me know what wifi chipset is being used, 'lspci'
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00:18<futurama140>01:00.0 Qualcomm Atheros Device 0041 (rev 20)
00:18<futurama140>OR
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00:20<futurama140>02:00.0 Ethernet Controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 10)
00:20<somiaj>actually lspci -nnn, and this is what I need, for exmple here is my output (I dont have wifi on this machine) 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev 09), I want the pciid, whcih is the [10ec:8168] part
00:20<somiaj>seems you ahve the same lan as I do
00:21<futurama140>168c:0041
00:21<somiaj>,pciid 168c:0041
00:21<judd>[168c:0041] is 'QCA6164 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:0041
00:22<futurama140>the RJ-45 port in the back is physically destroyed
00:22<futurama140>does that mean there is no way to use the wifi on that system then?
00:22<somiaj>no
00:23<somiaj>this is newer hardawre right?
00:24<futurama140>i believe it was purchased 2 years ago
00:24<futurama140>lenovo g50-45
00:24<futurama140>cheapest thing walmart sold, he tells me
00:25<somiaj>I can't find confirmation that this will work, but it most likely requires a newer kernel
00:25<somiaj>!bpo kernel
00:25<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
00:26<somiaj>and you may also need firmware-ahteros from jessie-backports as well
00:26<somiaj>I don't see your exact card listed, but I see similar cards, Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174, listed
00:26<somiaj>!jessie-backports
00:26<dpkg>Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>.
00:28<somiaj>I found a ubuntu bug that says the QCA6174 should work for your QCA6164 card, so most likely the backported kernel and firmware will work for you
00:30<futurama140>wow ok.
00:30<futurama140>i need to do this with no internet connection
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00:31<futurama140>the rj-45 is physically destroyed
00:32<somiaj>you can use packages.debian.org and download the .deb you need, copy them over and dpkg -i them
00:32<somiaj>https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/linux-image-4.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
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00:33<somiaj>https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/linux-base
00:33<somiaj>https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/firmware-atheros
00:33<somiaj>should be the three packages you need
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00:35<futurama140>i assume i can pull the tarballs of each of the three?
00:35<somiaj>no pull the .deb
00:35<somiaj>scroll down the bottom, choose your arch you want, then choose a mirror
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00:41<futurama140>somiaj: install them in the order in which you listed them?
00:42<somiaj>all at once, dpkg -i *deb if those are the only three .deb files in the current directory
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00:49<futurama140>somiaj: ok... i clicked reboot when it finished... IT WORKS!
00:50<futurama140>thank you!
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00:50<futurama140>It would have taken me several more years of intimate familiarity with linux to figure that out! I appreciate it!
00:50<somiaj>you will want to ensure you enable jessie-backports
00:50<somiaj>and install the kernel metapackage linux-image-amd64 from jessiebackprots as per the bots instructions above to ensure you get kernel updates
00:51<futurama140>ok
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00:56<AlexLikeRock>hi
00:56<AlexLikeRock> how to activate AUTO COMPLETE in KATE
00:57<AlexLikeRock>like this "<style> </style> " https://youtu.be/XtAm9a4zFss?t=305
00:58<AlexLikeRock>auto close "{ }"
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05:59<MrNaz>ok so when doing apt-get update -y i still get a screen where i have to press "q" to proceed, that's just some notice about updated CAs... how can i get apt-get to automatically pass this notice?
05:59<grawity>set $PAGER to something like cat
06:00<grawity>see `man apt-listchanges` for more
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06:02<MrNaz>grawity sorry how to do that? is that an env var?
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08:44<MarkL1>I have tryed openSUSE on another logical partition, had problem with the touchpad and some suse user gave me some commands for gnome to activate it but it did not worked, I don't care that much because I use my beloved Debian, anyway now I returned on my Jessie and I am having problems with the webpages for example clicking on google images does not open them anymore... how is possible? I gave these commands there:1) rm -rf 2) rm -rf
08:44<MarkL1>~/.gnome* 3) synclient TouchpadOff=1 4) fn+F3 what the hell is happened on Jessie? commands there should not have had any
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08:44<MarkL1>influence here on another partition... no?
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08:54<petn-randall>MarkL1: Are you sharing /home between both systems?
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08:55<MarkL1>petn-randall, I don't think so
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08:57<MarkL1>petn-randall, I was just setting up openSUSE and I did not check if the home folder was shared with the Debian home folder but from the installation I would have never chosen such thing
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09:15<petn-randall>MarkL1: Then it's just a lucky coincidence.
09:17<MarkL1>petn-randall, maybe
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09:48<Hypershadow>Greetings
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09:49<Hypershadow>anyone can tell me the best way to connect through remote desktop to a windows client from debian?
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09:50<the-dude>Hypershadow: Hypershadow remmina or freerdp-x11
09:50<grove>Hypershadow: It's been many years since I did that, but back then I just used rdesktop
09:51<Hypershadow>so an apt-get install remmina will get me that_
09:51<Hypershadow>?
09:51<Hypershadow>I'm trying to use Remote DEsktop Viewer, the one that comes with debian by default. but seems unable to cnnect to anything at all
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09:52<itd>Hypershadow: "apt-get install remmina" as root should work, yes.
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09:53<Hypershadow>I'll do that. Thanks.
09:54<pombreda>who should I contact re https://wiki.debian.org password change? I filled in a password reset request twice, but no email is sent
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09:56<babilen>pombreda: #debian-www on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net)
09:56<babilen>(so on this network)
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09:56<alexthebassist>Hi there. I've got a question regarding apt, tasksel and, in particular, package purging procedure. Today I tried to remove some part of X.org (drivers I don't need), but apt suggested me to remove a whole lot of packages. A couple of days before that I did the same thing and agreed, and then I decided to use tasksel for setting up a web server quickly, but it removed KDE and LibreOffice
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09:57<pombreda>babilen: thanks!
09:57<alexthebassist>How that could even be possible and how to get rid of dependency hell?
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09:57<petn-randall>alexthebassist: Packages are either marked as installed automatically or manually.
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09:58<petn-randall>alexthebassist: If you do something like 'apt-get autoremove', you're explicitely asking apt to remove any packages that are marked as installed automatically, and are not needed by any other package.
09:59<babilen>(that is any manually installed package)
09:59<alexthebassist>peth-randall: thanks, it's kinda obvious. But when I do that, it kills a lot of libs and software I actually need
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09:59<alexthebassist>If it's installed automatically it's not 100% unneeded, right?
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10:00<petn-randall>alexthebassist: So if you remove xserver-xorg-video-intel, because you don't need intel graphics drivers, you're also removing the xserver-xorg-video-all and xorg metapackages.
10:00<petn-randall>alexthebassist: And then nothing else is depending on all those other X11 packages you have, so when you run "apt-get autoremove" it'll offer to remove all of it.
10:00<alexthebassist>peth-randall: well, but there are a lot included
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10:01<petn-randall>alexthebassist: Two solutions: 1) Mark all the packages you explicitely need simply with 'apt-get install <package>' 2) don't care about such details because disk space is cheap, and figuring out on every single package what you need is hard.
10:01<alexthebassist>peth-randall: so, autoremove suggests me to kill LibreOffice which is almost a cornerstone in my current work, besides essential stuff like ssh, telnet and so on
10:01<petn-randall>alexthebassist: petn<tab>
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10:02<alexthebassist>petn-randall: doesn't work on my machine for some weird reason
10:02<petn-randall>alexthebassist: re "If it's installed automatically it's not 100% unneeded, right?" - that's for you then to figure out if you remove such meta-packages.
10:02<petn-randall>alexthebassist: what "doesn't work"?
10:02<alexthebassist>petn-randall: <Tab> key in Konversation
10:03<alexthebassist>Works everywhere else
10:03<petn-randall>alexthebassist: Oh. That's in most IRC clients the key for autocomplete. Maybe it's different in Konversation.
10:03<alexthebassist>petn-randall: it's Tab on my laptop with a very same OS and DE
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10:04<alexthebassist>petn-randall: but screw that, that's offtopic now
10:04<petn-randall>alexthebassist: Personally, I don't care about such details. I just install the meta-packages I need, even if I "waste" a few MB of my drive. It's still just a fraction of what other OSes use up :D
10:04<petn-randall>alexthebassist: You can of course save a few MB, but then you have to micro-manage which packages you need and which you not.
10:05<petn-randall>*don't
10:05<alexthebassist>petn-randall: the thing is that when I autoclean packages, I need to install a lot of stuff back, which I do through tasksel just because I have no time searching for every package name or even for several metapackages
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10:06<alexthebassist>petn-randall: I need to remove those drivers because they break my X. I removed them once a few days ago, and KDE started to work smooth again, but today some software I installed pulled them back, so I have artifacts and panel hangups again
10:06<petn-randall>alexthebassist: Then don't remove them in the first place. 'apt-get autoremove' lists all packages it wants do remove. Go through that list and select "n" if you find anything you actually need, 'apt install <package>', then run it again.
10:07<petn-randall>alexthebassist: Which drivers break your X11?
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10:19<alexthebassist>petn-randall: xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu and xserver-xorg-video-ati
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10:20<alexthebassist>petn-randall: when I purge them, they want to purge this also: task-desktop* task-kde-desktop* xserver-xorg-video-all*
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10:20<petn-randall>alexthebassist: That's correct.
10:20<alexthebassist>petn-randall: which means, when I use tasksel next time (I hope I'll never, though), it will remove LibreOffice and KDE from my system
10:21<alexthebassist>petn-randall: that's what happened when I used tasksel for a quick web server setup
10:21<petn-randall>alexthebassist: You mean tasksel runs 'apt-get autoremove'?
10:21<alexthebassist>petn-randall: seems like that
10:22<alexthebassist>petn-randall: it removed almost everything I use in my workflow and then installed this f**kin' LAMP
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10:22<petn-randall>alexthebassist: I already told you the solution: Manually mark any packages you need.
10:23<alexthebassist>petn-randall: that's gonna take, like, a decade
10:23<alexthebassist>petn-randall: especially fonts, which I didn't even restore because they were removed too
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10:24<alexthebassist>petn-randall: I think it's not I should mark those packages as manually installed, but rather developers do something about this mess
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10:24<alexthebassist>I'm on Debian Stretch, so there's even an opportunity to fix it up before actual release
10:27<petn-randall>alexthebassist: What mess? You created the mess, you get to fix it. Especially when you're running a pre-release version.
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10:28<petn-randall>alexthebassist: Instead of complaining loudly on IRC, you could actually productively work on getting this fixed in stretch by providing a fix.
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10:31<michel>hello
10:32<michel>How do I change GDM3 login background?
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10:32<alexthebassist>petn-randall: okay, as it's seen from my nick, I am a bass player, not a programmer. How do I provide a fix?
10:33<alexthebassist>petn-randall: I will complain, IRC is not only for odes
10:34<alexthebassist>petn-randall: mess which is created by tasksel and apt not understanding each other. That's not my fault if those pieces of software can't communicate properly
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10:34<petn-randall>alexthebassist: If you're not willing to help with fixing issues in a pre-release version, you shouldn't be running it. Debian gives no guarantees that things work on things that AREN'T RELEASED YET.
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10:36<alexthebassist>petn-randall: well, I want to help, that's why I tell what should be fixed before release. It's coming soon, doesn't it?
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10:37<alexthebassist>petn-randall: or obscurity about such problems is a better way of getting things polished?
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10:47<user01>hi im trying to think of a way where i could maybe have a server in my company that would wipe laptops via the network and install a custom debian install with packages based on the model of laptop . . . or maybe i should just create a custom iso instead for people wanting to install? :/
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10:51<user01>idk . . . just a service idea i had where people who got new laptops could just network boot and it would wipe their laptops of windows and image a base debian install with frequently used apps in the company
10:52<alexthebassist>petn-randall: it's not a minor issue like badly scaled icon in system tray or whatever like that, it's serious stuff. If it's not fixed before release, Debian will lose both users and testers, which I don't want
10:52<alexthebassist>user01: you will anyway need to create a custom ISO to simplify installation process
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10:53<alexthebassist>user01: also, you can set up a little PXE server and do install both via network and disks/flash drives
10:53<alexthebassist>user01: installs*
10:54<user01>alexthebassist, ok maybe ill start with that . . .is there software to help create the custom ISO? would probably use the most recent RC1 to get started
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10:54<alexthebassist>user01: no, there are no software with buttons like “do that for me while I am shopping”, you'll need to read a ton of manuals and do everything by hand
10:55<alexthebassist>user01: there is*
10:55<alexthebassist>user01: my shift's over, I gotta go, sorry I can't tell you more
10:55<user01>alexthebassist, ok i thought there were tools now for creating custom isos
10:55<user01>alexthebassist, thanks
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10:57<user01>simple-cdd i think . .
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12:01<sirkrieger[m]>I've downloaded the unofficial non free firmware netinstall with multiarch. This device has a rtl8723BS card which is not recognised and there is no BS driver. This image only has the 8723AE/E/BE drivers.
12:01<sirkrieger[m]>Does anyone know how I can get these drivers?
12:01<sirkrieger[m]>This driver*
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12:14<jrms>sirkrieger[m]: firmware-realtek package?
12:15<sirkrieger[m]>jrms: the iso I'm using has all the unofficial firmware packages already. This card is not one of the listed ones.
12:16<jrms>sirkrieger[m]: no idea then... sorry
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14:16<cousin_luigi>Greetings.
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14:21<sp>привет что делать optirun glxgears
14:21<sp>[ 3492.865387] [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) /dev/dri/card0: failed to set DRM interface version 1.4: Permission denied
14:21<sp>делал все как тут https://wiki.debian.org/ru/Bumblebee#A.2BBCMEQQRCBDAEPQQ.2BBDIEOgQw-
14:22<SynrG>sp: if you want to ask in english, maybe we can help. otherwise:
14:22<SynrG>!ru
14:22<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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14:23<sp>so what to do then ? who won this error
14:23<SynrG>sp: under "common issues" on the english version of the wiki ...
14:24<SynrG>sp: it says "You have to append the following section to /etc/bumblebee/xorg.conf.nvidia:
14:24<SynrG>sp: and gives you the section to add
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14:25<sp> I have read and the Anglican and version Section "Screen"
14:25<sp> Identifier "Default Screen"
14:25<sp> Device "DiscreteNvidia"
14:25<sp>EndSection
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14:34<lolol>Is using many floats for a matrix header faster or equal to using an array of floats
14:35<lolol>such as struct { float xx, xy, xz... } matrix; or struct { float[9] }
14:35<lolol>??
14:36<dboles>i don't see why it would be different, or what it has to do with debian
14:36<lolol>lol am actually in the debian channel
14:36<lolol>debian rules, peace
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14:42<thecat>Direct firmware load for radeon/RV620_pfp.bin failed with error -2
14:43<thecat>I get the above error in dmesg, even though the file radeon/RV620_pfp.bin exists
14:43<thecat>in /lib/firmware/radeon/RV620_pfp.bin
14:44<thecat>this happens on my custom kernel. When I boot the distribution kernel, the firmware gets loaded OK
14:45<thecat>what could be the problem ?
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15:07<olinuxx>I'm building a software package with pbuilder. In the makefile, there is "BUILD_ARCH?=64" defined which allow me to build the 64 bits package but fails when building a 32 bits one.
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15:07<a2>hello all
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15:07<olinuxx>Is there any variable I could replace (patching) the "TG_BUILD_ARCH?=" definition with ?
15:08<olinuxx>(variable which could pick up the right arch, ie: 64 or 32)
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15:58<rlyshw>hi! I'm having some issues with debootstrap and I can't find any solutions on the web...
15:59<rlyshw>running debootstrap --arch=armhf xenial /opt/ltsp/armhf/ http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
15:59<rlyshw>results in hanging at I: Retrieving Release
15:59<rlyshw>ps aux | grep debootstrap shows an interesting process running:
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16:00<rlyshw>wget -q -O /opt/ltsp/armhf/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/debootstrap.invalid_dists_xenial_Release http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/Release
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16:10<rlyshw>Ah, I'm behind a firewall and have to proxy my connection out. whoops
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16:43<StyXman>I have a ssh connection from my work to my home server, can I use that connection to connect back to my work machine?
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16:49<narcan>StyXman: no
16:50<StyXman>:(
16:50<narcan>except if you have an ssh serveur at your work with a NAT/PAT routeur correctly configured
16:50<narcan>of a VPN connection
16:51<narcan>s/of/or
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16:51<StyXman>not really
16:52<StyXman>this is my work laptop connect to my home server
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16:52<narcan>your work laptop is the client
16:52<dboles>ssh works on a client/server basis
16:52<narcan>your home server, the server
16:52<dboles>it's not a bidirectional channel
16:52*peter1138 mumbles about tunneling
16:53<lostatwork>so does el chapo
16:54<StyXman>yes, the laptop runs the client, and no, I wouldn't be asking this if I already had any tunneling already set up
16:55<StyXman>it's friday night here, I just wanted to check some things back there; I can't ssh into any of the company's machines
16:55*narcan keep his work laptop with him at home :)
16:55<StyXman>I was just wondering if there was any hack or something
16:56<StyXman>narcan: well, I'm not trying to check some things in the laptop, but it's the only option I have
16:57<narcan>ok you want just hav an access to the office network?
16:57<StyXman>also: it's a 17" beast, I refuse to carry it around for 1h30 back home :-P
16:57<dboles>afaict, if there was any "hack", which could be applied to an existing ssh connection going in the other direction, it would mean that ssh as a whole was disastrously broken
16:57<StyXman>narcan: well, technically I wasn't given the VPN creds (yet?), but I just wanted to try some things why I have some spare time
16:57<narcan>ask a VPN to your net admin
16:58<narcan>give him some money ^^
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16:58<narcan>or donuts
16:58<StyXman>hehehhe
16:58<StyXman>he's probably sleepin already
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17:32<blaze>is there any incompatibility problem with nvidia drivers and kernel 4.8?
17:33<bluca>no
17:33<bluca>as long as the packages are from the same repository
17:34<blaze>because x server refuse to work when booting 4.8
17:34<blaze>using jessie-backport
17:34<sney>did you also install xorg from backports
17:34<bluca>make sure all drivers packages come from backports too
17:34<blaze>I don't think so
17:34<blaze>nvidia is from backport 2
17:35<blaze>both kernel and driver
17:35<bluca>which card and driver series?
17:35<tomcres>blaze do you have an /etc/X11/Xorg.conf?
17:36<blaze>nope, but it is working on older kernel
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17:36<blaze>3.16 i think is the one I'm using now
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17:36<blaze>since 4.8 wont boot correctly
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17:38<blaze>I use a gtx750ti
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17:58<blaze>wut, reinstalled the kernel and now it is working perfectly
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18:06<sirkrieger[m]>Does anyone know of a good resource that can take me from a somewhat noob to compiling my own patched kernels?
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18:06<sney>!kernel handbook
18:06<dpkg>The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source.
18:06<sney>sirkrieger[m]: ^
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18:11<sirkrieger[m]>Woah
18:11<sirkrieger[m]>Gotta love irc
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18:12<EmleyMoor>I am getting lots of warnings from psi-plus in my logcheck mails and am having difficulty formulating an "ignore" for them... is there anyone around who can advise/assist with this?
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18:16<EmleyMoor>The main problem is I don't understand the "similar to regex" language of the ignore files
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18:33<EmleyMoor>Ah, sorted
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19:16<gordon24>I use a portion of my partitioned hard drive for Debian (which I'm on), Windows 10, and a Storage drive shared in NTFS so windows can read it also. Every now and then when I boot up windows and do what I need to do and shut down. When I boot to linux the next day, the shared drive sometimes gives me errors and won't allow me to boot. So I had to boot windows and restart and then it let me in. Is there a way to prevent this from happe
19:16<gordon24>ning?
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19:17<mtn>gordon24: are you using fast startup in windows?
19:17<gordon24>I don't know.
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19:17<mtn>gordon24: if so, it could be the problem. http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/4189-fast-startup-turn-off-windows-10-a.html
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19:19<gordon24>I'll have to boot up into windows and check that out next time.
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21:30<k-man>i have a lib i want to install somewhere where lua would find it
21:30<k-man>what would be the usual place to put it?
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21:33<k-man>nm, worked it out
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22:04<annadane>when i install debian on this computer, i do it via USB stick, and any other option other than "automated graphical install" reboots the computer without continuing the install process - yet on virtualbox, this isn't an issue... does virtualbox emulate my computer's configuration? because if it does i assume that it's an issue with my stick
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22:06<annadane>i've poked around my real, non virtualbox BIOS and googled the problem and haven't found there to be an easily solvable issue that other people have reported
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22:08<annadane>because i assume that there's no significant difference with virtualizing and there's no reason why it should be a computer issue vs a usb stick issue
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22:10<themill>virtualbox emulates everything including bits of hardware and the bios
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23:01-!-ratone is "Ratone" on #debian
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23:03<ratone>exit
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23:05-!-tobi_ is "Tobias Frost" on #debian-keyring #debian-mia #debian-ftp #debian-bootstrap #debconf #debian #debian-games #debian-mentors
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23:15<hertz_>nobody talks on these
23:15<hertz_>lol
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23:15<hertz_>XD
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23:38-!-sergio-br2 is "S\xE9rgio Benjamim" on #debexpo #debian #debian-games #debian-mentors
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23:45-!-linuxmodder is "Corey Sheldon" on #smxi #apparmor #codesurfers #Corsair #debian #ext4 #fosscar #freenode #gcc #https-everywhere #ipv6 #irssi #kvm #linux #oftc #openbox #openstack
23:50<ap4lmtree>hi
23:51<awal1>.
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23:53-!-Hypershadow is "The Shadow Hyped" on #debian
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23:58-!-jcrowgey is "JC" on #debian
23:59<jcrowgey>just installed debian on new machine with Intel wifi
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