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00:00<jcrowgey>installed firmware-iwlwifi but still no wlan0
00:00<jcrowgey>tried both moderate and reboot. any ideas?
00:02<somiaj>what intel wifi card do you have? Most likely it is just a newer card taht needs a newer kernel and firmware from jessie-backports
00:02<somiaj>!bpo kernel
00:02<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
00:02<somiaj>also install the firmware-iwlwifi card from jessie-backports
00:03<jcrowgey>lspci says "Intel Corp wireless 8260"
00:04<jcrowgey>since this computer doesn't have an Internet connection yet, I'm schlepping files around on a usb
00:05<jcrowgey>I guess I start w the firwmare-iwlwifi from backports the go on to newer kernels if that doesn't help?
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00:11<somiaj>you need both
00:11<somiaj>you will need three packages from jessie-backports which you can get on packages.debian.org. The kernel, linux-base or somthign like that and the firmware-iwlwifi
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00:38<jcrowgey>I thought it might be easier just to restart this install with stretch
00:38<jcrowgey>so I did that
00:39<jcrowgey>grabbed the netinst of stretch and just installed it
00:39<somiaj>grabing the kernel/firmware isn't to hard, stretch is almost frozen, biggest drawback to it imo is lack of security support
00:39<jcrowgey>also grabbed the firmware-iwlwifi from stretch and installed it with dpkg
00:41<jcrowgey>my version of iwlwifi is a date (weird) 20161130-2
00:41<somiaj>why is that weird?
00:41<somiaj>,v firmware-iwlwifi
00:41<judd>Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; stretch/non-free: 20160824-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-2~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20161130-2; stretch/non-free: 20161130-2
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00:41<jcrowgey>maybe it's not, I guess I hadn't noticed that sort of numbering system before
00:42<peter1138>so the question is... does it work?
00:42<jcrowgey>uname -a says 3.16.0-4
00:42<somiaj>that doesn't sound like a stretch kernel
00:43<jcrowgey>I just did modprobe of iwlwifi but I still don't see wlan0
00:43<jcrowgey>should I reboot?
00:43<jcrowgey>that's what I thought...
00:43<jcrowgey>(about the stretch kernel)
00:43<peter1138>check what kernels are installed
00:43<jcrowgey>maybe I downloaded the wrong netinst
00:44<jcrowgey>double checking now
00:45<jcrowgey>the readme.html in this USB indicates jessie
00:45<jcrowgey>well
00:46<jcrowgey>so I can instead go get linux-base and kernel-headers?
00:46<somiaj>just download the kernel, linux-base and firmware-iwlwifi debs from packages.debian.org and copy them over on say a usb stick and install
00:46<somiaj>you don't need the headers just linux-image
00:47<jcrowgey>linux-base and linux-image (right, I guess headers would be for building a kernel)
00:48<jcrowgey>thanks!
00:48<jcrowgey>brb
00:48<somiaj>well for building modules against your kernel, linux-source is for building
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01:25<jcrowgey>OK, I went and found that stretch USB and copied the right one this timw
01:25<jcrowgey>kernel is now 4.8.0-2
01:26<jcrowgey>and I installed firmware-iwlwifi
01:26<jcrowgey>because apparently ifconfig is deprecated (wow), stretch didn't include it
01:26<jcrowgey>so I'm not sure what's next
01:27<jcrowgey>I did modprobe to load iwlwifi
01:28<somiaj>ifconfig is there
01:28<somiaj>it is just not in a users $PATH and you need to be root, though ip is the more modern tool
01:29<jcrowgey>I am root at the moment
01:29<jcrowgey>this was the stretch netinst disk
01:29<somiaj>hmm, maybe it isn't installed by default anymore
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01:29<somiaj>,v net-tools
01:29<judd>Package: net-tools on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.60-24.2; jessie: 1.60-26+b1; stretch: 1.60+git20161116.90da8a0-1; sid: 1.60+git20161116.90da8a0-1
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01:29<somiaj>anyways you have done a lot of extra work when all you needed was a few packages from jessie-backports.
01:30<jcrowgey>sure, but I was gonna upgrade to stretch anyway
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01:30<jcrowgey>so, any suggestions for getting wifi up and running
01:30<jcrowgey>unfortunately this computer didn't come.with an Ethernet adaptor
01:32<jcrowgey>I used to know how to run wpasupplicant on the cli but I think my first step was ifconfig wlan0 up
01:32<somiaj>did you install the nonfree firmware, it woudln't have been on the stretch iso
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01:33<jcrowgey>I did install firmware-iwlwifi from stretch
01:33<jcrowgey>as you said, it wasn't on the USB, I put it on a second USB and installed it with dpkg
01:33<jcrowgey>then I did modprobe to load it
01:34<jcrowgey>I also installed wireless-tools from the netinst
01:34<somiaj>well dmesg | grep firmware and 'ip a'
01:35<jcrowgey>uh oh, I see a bunch of 'failed to load iwlwifi-8000C-24.ucode (-2)'
01:36<jcrowgey>and so on for other numbers 21, 20, 19, etc
01:36<jcrowgey>all have error -2
01:36<jcrowgey>I will google that now
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01:37<somiaj>what iwlwifi package did you install?
01:38<jcrowgey>firmware-iwlwifi 20161130-2
01:38<somiaj>Oh, sounds like your card is extreamly new, the firmware package only goes up to 8000c-22.ucode
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01:38<somiaj>you may need to go grab the firmware from intel directly
01:39<jcrowgey>I see, it's a new computer.
01:40<jcrowgey>do you happen to know which one I should be looking for?
01:40<somiaj>that error told you the exact file you are missing, I don't know the link or where intel makes the firwamre avilable
01:41<jcrowgey>I see, we'll I see those errors for every number from 16 through 20
01:41<jcrowgey>sorry up to 24
01:41<jcrowgey>so I need all of those ucode files?
01:42<jcrowgey>-2 is no such file or directory?
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01:43<somiaj>oh you see them for other files, the firmware package should contain the fiels up to -22.ucode
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01:45<jcrowgey>interesting, did a reboot and now I only see the -2 error for 23 and 24
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01:46<somiaj>ahh, yea you have to reboot after you install the firmware, sounds like you do need those additional two firmware files from intel, though check 'ip a'
01:46<jcrowgey>and it looka like it detected my wireless!!! I see wlp3so in IP a
01:46<somiaj>okay, you may not need mroe firmware then
01:46<jcrowgey>I need to lookup the syntax for wpasupolicant cos there's no gui installed yet
01:47<jcrowgey>unless you know it by heart?
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01:48<jcrowgey>what's the ip equivalent to 'ifconfig IFACE up'?
01:49<somiaj>I just use the /etc/network/interfaces file and let it make the calls
01:50<somiaj>also check /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant it has some info
01:50<jcrowgey>ok
01:51<jcrowgey>wow no man ywt
01:51<jcrowgey>yet, this is a very minimal install
01:51<jcrowgey>I will be very sad if I find out that man is deprecated
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02:03<jcrowgey>thanks for all the help folks
02:03<jcrowgey>I got working wifi now so k can move ahead and install a desktop
02:03<jcrowgey>cheers and goodnight!!
02:03<jcrowgey>exit
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02:15<engys>Hi, any idea how to setup Debian Stretch to start X11 (XFCE) from a vitual terminal?
02:15<engys>*virtual terminal
02:16<engys>after upgrading from Jessie to Stretch I can only start a X11 session from lightdm
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02:18<engys>something is needing root access to start X11 after upgrading to Stretch
02:22<engys>But that is not what I want. I want to start a X11 sessions from a virtual terminal with normal user rights.
02:22<dtw>engys, "startx /usr/bin/startxfce4" works here.
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02:25<engys>dtw: ok I only get connection refused when I use this coomand
02:26<dtw>I have the default XFCE desktop install in a virtual machine and there it works.
02:28<engys>dtw: did you upgrade from jessie or did you start a fresh install?
02:28<dtw>A fresh Debian testing install.
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02:30<engys>dtw: I am sure upgrading is the reason for my problem what brings me back to start my rolling released Arch Linux
02:33<awal1>engys: create .xsession and insert exec startxfce4 . Or .xinitrc and also exec startxce4 . .xsession is read by both startx and display managers; xinitrc only read by startx
02:34<awal1>if you want to log in another wm/de use startx /usr/bin/your-WM/DE
02:36<awal1>having created yet xinitrc or xsession files with exec startxfce4 , via tty just run startx , you dont need the full path to xfce4
02:38<awal1>full path is required if you want to start another x session not specified in the referred files
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02:39<engys>awal1 every useraccount has an .xinitrc with exec ck-lauch-session startxfce
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02:42<engys>I mean -> exec ck-lauch-session startxfce4
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02:47<awal1>engys, I'm unsure what may be wrong there on your system after your migration from jessie to stretch
02:49<awal1>launch not lauch in "ck-lauch-session"
02:49<awal1>missing n
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02:54<awal1>engys, since xfce have it's own session manager, what if you avoid ck-launch-session and just use " exec startxfce4 "?
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03:08<engys>awal1: it does not throw a xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL anymore but the result is the same -> connection refused
03:09<engys>it take a little bit longer because I removed lightdm to make sure it does not collide
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03:14<engys>in the end it will not help to solve the main problem because stretch also moved foreward to clang 3.8 and that will stop me to compile unreal engine 4
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03:15<engys>and that was the main reason to reinstall Debian Jessie on this machine
03:16<engys>but compiling Blender made me move foreward to Stretch
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03:20<engys>now I am sitting between two chairs and this will make me to install another Windows machine and I hate Windows!
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03:40<Gabriel_7>engys: you know, compiling clang is comparatively easy.
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03:49<engys>Gabriel_7 yep maybe building a separate clang environment is a good idea
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04:39<engys>but Debian need to do anything on its upgrade mechanism .. I stopped to use Ubuntu because of clunky upgrade mechanisms that disrupt a complete cluster
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05:53<Freyiik>Hey, is anyone here familiar with xrandr? I'm unable to get any output to my external monitor
05:54<Freyiik>It shows up in xrandr and everything it just refuses to output a signal
05:55<engys>and sure I used ck-launch-session with n. Damn why I am not using copy cut and paste? Maybe because there was no X11 and I need to raise my terminal skills!
05:55<SynrG>Freyiik: let's see in a paste what you've tried. the exact command typed, and also the output of 'xrandr' to see what devices you have attached
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05:57<Freyiik>I've tried most of the variants of "xrandr --output VGA1 --auto" and adding --mode, changing the position, orientation, etc. I'm on a separate computer so I'll take a picture
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05:57<SynrG>Freyiik: you can use nopaste or pastebinit
05:57<Freyiik>that would be smart, wouldn't it?
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06:06<Freyiik>Okay new problem: I'm getting a "E: Package 'firefox' has no installation candidate"
06:07<Freyiik>I just double checked my sources.list and it looks clean
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06:08<Freyiik>my sources.list is https://nopaste.xyz/?f4f23f680202b070#fAtk0cust+RwzeGzezukCT6DGJlrT6kwrBbrpNQBG4c=
06:08<SynrG>,v firefox
06:08<judd>Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 51.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 51.0-1; experimental: 52.0~b1-1
06:08<Freyiik>I'm also getting it with midori
06:08<SynrG>got backports in it? if not, install iceweasel
06:08<SynrG>then you're missing 'apt update'
06:09<SynrG>or ...
06:09<SynrG>,v midori
06:09<judd>Package: midori on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.4.3+dfsg-0.1; jessie-backports: 0.5.11-ds1-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.5.11-ds1-4; sid: 0.5.11-ds1-4; experimental: 0.5.12~wk2-exp1
06:09<SynrG>midori is only in backports, too
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06:11<Freyiik>Alright I got backports. Thanks guys. Now back to the xrandr thing... I'll have paste in a minute
06:11<SynrG>k. busy making coffee. back in a few
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06:18<engys>Freyiik I only used xrandr for not mirroring output on my notebook and for that I used -> xrandr --output eDP1 --auto --output HDMI1 --auto --left-of eDP1
06:19<Freyiik>where edp1 is your default screen and hdmi1 is the external?
06:19<engys>yep
06:20<Freyiik>still no output
06:20<Freyiik>and my browser is acting up now, too. Yay
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06:21<SynrG>still need to see that output
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06:31<Freyiik>I'm still trying to get the output, sorry. Running into other issues
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06:44<Freyiik>http://pastebin.com/MjDmrpDT
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06:51<hakier>Hello, I have problem to run virtualbox on Debian Jessie with kernel 4.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64. Trying to run `/etc/init.d/virtualbox` I get: "No suitable module for running kernel found". I have installed linux-headers-4.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd
06:53<hakier>Running dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox-dkms returns Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 4.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64. Log file: http://wklej.org/id/3029399/
06:53<hakier>Any idea what could I try next?
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06:54<dtw>hakier, if I remember correctly you'd need virtualbox version from backports.
06:56*dtw switched from Virtualbox to Qemu recently. Seems to work and integrate with Debian more nicely.
06:57<hakier>thanks dtw will try to install it from backports. Does quemu has gui? :P
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06:58<dtw>hakier, aqemu package is a nice GUI. I used it for a while. It shows the qemu command-line so eventually I just copied that to my own script and learned the qemu command-line interface. I don't use aqemu anymore.
06:59<hakier>ok, maybe i will try it
06:59<hakier>apt-get install -t jessie-backports virtualbox virtualbox-dkms virtualbox-qt # For each i get "is already the newest version" :(
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07:00<dtw>According to qemu-img man page it can convert Virtualbox vdi images to qemu image format qcow2.
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07:02<hakier>I just wanted to ask that question :D. Thanks again dtw
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07:03<amacater>Virt-manager will work well with KVM and QEMU and virtualbox
07:03<dtw>Maybe like: qemu-img convert -f vdi -O qcow2 image.vdi image.img
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07:05<hakier>i have found info on google how to convert it. Thanks
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07:08<Freyiik>Can anyone help me with the xrandr problem? I got the logs finally
07:08<Freyiik>the paste*
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07:10<bhe>why is exim4 preinstalled in debian ?
07:11<SynrG>Freyiik: i'll look at your paste in a moment. getting breakfast
07:11<Freyiik>Ok thank you
07:13<SynrG>Freyiik: so the most basic thing to try is 'xrandr --output VGA1 --auto'
07:13<SynrG>if you're correctly physically cabled and that doesn't work, you likely have driver issues. which GPU?
07:14<Freyiik>Integrated, let me get the number rq
07:14<SynrG>Freyiik: if you have very recent intel integrated, you should be using xorg from backports and kernel from backports
07:15<Freyiik>I'm using xorg but idk what kernel is?
07:16<Freyiik>I thought I was using the linux kernel haha
07:18<SynrG>,v xserver-xorg-input-libinput
07:18<judd>Package: xserver-xorg-input-libinput on amd64 -- stretch: 0.23.0-2; sid: 0.23.0-2
07:18<SynrG>hmm
07:18<SynrG>,v xserver-xorg-video-intel
07:18<judd>Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1; sid: 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1
07:18<SynrG>,kernels
07:18<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.2-2); stretch: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.2-2); jessie-backports: 4.8.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.8.15-2~bpo8+2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-1)
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07:20<SynrG>Freyiik: if you have very recent integrated intel and are on jessie, you might want to try apt install -t jessie-backports xserver-xorg-video-intel linux-image-amd64
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07:21<Freyiik>Installed it, going to reboot
07:21<SynrG>best of luck
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07:23<Freyiik>No such luck
07:24<Freyiik>Any logs or anything I can give you to further diagnose the issue?
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07:25<SynrG>Xorg.0.log, i suppose
07:27<Freyiik>Where is that located?
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07:34<SynrG>Freyiik: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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07:38<SynrG>Freyiik: in particular, i guess we're interested in any messages relating to RANDR and VGA1
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07:40<Freyiik>: http://pastebin.com/dnJPthpi
07:40<Freyiik>like that?
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07:45<Freyiik>http://pastebin.com/YzFVC6Aq
07:45<Freyiik>there is the full one
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09:09<lok[m]>What's difference between img and iso file
09:10<dboles>possibly none, possibly a lot. they get mixed up a lot
09:11<lok[m]>How
09:11<lok[m]>Dbhdboles
09:12<dboles>they are just file extensions, which people don't always use according to their original semantic meanings
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09:12<dboles>perhaps if you explain why you're asking, people can give a more useful answer
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09:15<lok[m]>I want to know difference between them
09:15<lok[m]>When to use which one
09:15<lok[m]>How to create each of them
09:15<themill>"img" could mean anything; don't use it.
09:16<ompaul>as themill said.
09:16<lok[m]>Why themill
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09:16<lok[m]>Why not to use
09:16<ompaul>because it could be anything
09:16<lok[m]>Are both of them bootable?
09:16<ompaul>iso is understood to be something very particular
09:16<lok[m]>ompaul: so that's good isn't it
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09:16<lok[m]>I mean img
09:16<themill>lok[m]: the answer to every question about .img files is "img could mean anything, don't use it"
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09:17<ompaul>iso good img bad what more do you want to know.
09:17<ompaul>you can boot an iso
09:17<lok[m]>themill: why we should not use it
09:18<ompaul>if it's contents are right
09:18<lok[m]>How to create iso
09:18<ompaul>from what?
09:18<lok[m]>How to create img
09:18<dboles>To get a good answer, ask a question that actually has any context whatsoever
09:18<lok[m]>How to use each of them
09:18<themill>lok[m]: img could mean anything, don't use it
09:18<dboles>And how does this relate to Debian?
09:18<themill>lok[m]: I don't think there's a lot more to say about it
09:18<ompaul>dboles: good reset question. :-)
09:20<lok[m]>ompaul: whythemill iso is bootable and img isn't
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09:20<dboles>IMG can be bootable, ISO can be non-bootable. Start by explaining why any of these questions are relevant to this channel
09:20<lok[m]>Why img is bad
09:21<lok[m]>Even for personal usage?
09:21<dboles>Are you personally using it to do something Debian-related?
09:21<lok[m]>dboles: it's not specially relevant to debian
09:22<lok[m]>These are some general queries
09:22<lok[m]>And I want to clarify my doubts
09:22<dboles>The point is that - assuming people name their files correctly - then ISO means 'this is a disk image of a disk using an ISO standardised format', whereas IMG just means 'my program chose this file extension and might have put anything in here'
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09:22<dboles>Again, _assuming_ people use the extension with the right semantic meaning
09:23<dboles>So an IMG file might actually be a valid ISO image, or it might be some bizarre thing with embedded subchannel and ECC data, or anything in between
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09:25<lok[m]>dboles: is this the reason why any os is distributed in Iso format
09:25<lok[m]>So any one can trust it
09:26<dboles>probably, they know they're getting a standard format of disk image, and in the case of an OS installer, that it's bootable by any BIOS/EFI firmware
09:26<themill>ISO9660 is a thing
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09:27<ompaul>trust is different
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09:27<dboles>it's not about trust in the sense of malicious code, but of accepted ways to layout and boot disks
09:27<dboles>a standard iso image can still hold malicious code... so trust where you get it from, not just the file format
09:28<ompaul>ostensibly yes if you check the checksum of the downloaded image and the image and you check one source against another but trust is the subject of many a thesis not of irc help
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09:57<lok[m]>How to create iso file
09:57<lok[m]>And img file
09:58<lok[m]>ompaul: how to verify checksum
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10:01<dboles>google
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10:08<ompaul>lok[m]: that depends totally on the tools you use, I prefer k3b as an application and md2sum
10:08<ompaul>but that;'s me
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10:09<ompaul>sorry sha256sum - I'm distracted by some work
10:10<lok[m]>ompaul: what's use of verifying checksum
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10:10<lok[m]>I don't know what's check sum
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10:14<zak>What am I doing wrong when I can sudo mount a cifs network drive, but gvfs-mounting the same drive fails when using the exact same username and password?
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10:22<Bloxy>Hai
10:23<dboles>!ask
10:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:26<Robirt55>Thanks for the info @dboles
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10:28<zakmc>Using raspbian jessie, I have problems mounting a cifs network drive using gvfs-mount; my username and password is not accepted. When I mount the drive via sudo mount -t cifs -o (same username and password), the drive is mounted without issues. What am I doing wrong?
10:32<grawity>zakmc: try smbclient, or enabling/disabling 'client NTLMv2 auth' in smb.conf
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10:45<zakmc>grawity, IIRC smbclient has the same issue, checking NTLMv2 auth suggestion - suspect that will help
10:45<grawity>smbclient uses essentially the same backend as gvfs-smb
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10:52<EmleyMoor>Is there a good 4G/LTE USB device that works with pppd on Debian?
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10:52<cochon>salut
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10:54<dboles>!fr
10:54<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
10:56<cochon>thanks, then in english :)
10:57<dboles>how can we help?
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10:59<ompaul>lok[m]: it tells you if you have downloaded all the bits that the server said were available - if you take the checksum from a different server to the place you are downloading you have a higher chance that the file hasn't been interfered with. Still that is not complete trust.
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11:07<zakmc>grawity, adding NTLMv2 auth = no allowed smbclient and gvfs-smb to mount the network drive. Thank you for the assist!!
11:07<cochon>I'm looking for something but i can't find it online. Is there a way to install 2 different versions of the same app on debian ? For example one Gimp 2.8 and the other one 2.9
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11:17<lok[m]>ompaul: Checksum is published value?
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11:18<ompaul>lok[m]: look in the directory you got your iso for debian from
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12:40<droid>morning peeps
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12:44<droid>what loop hole is there in debian ?
12:45<droid>how bad is it ?
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12:45<petn-randall>droid: What are you talking about?
12:45<droid>debian security issue
12:46<petn-randall>droid: Which one in particular?
12:46<droid>the latest one
12:46<petn-randall>droid: with 40,000 packages I'm sure there's more than one at a time.
12:47<petn-randall>droid: Do you have any source you're talking about?
12:47<droid>looking for it
12:47<droid>what OS you using >
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12:47<droid>?
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12:47<petn-randall>droid: If you have a CVE number, you can look it up in the security tracker.
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12:48<petn-randall>!tracker of doom
12:48<dpkg>The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/
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12:48<petn-randall>droid: Take a guess.
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12:48<droid>debian ?
12:49<droid>im using bunsen labs
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12:50<petn-randall>droid: Ah, that's not Debian though.
12:50<petn-randall>!based on debian
12:50<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
12:51<droid>yeah aware of that just testing out an old laptop
12:51<droid>have you tried qubes os ?
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14:51<kaulfield>Hey, I have a problem with the connman package, I installed it but there isnt the connmanctl command, so i can't configure it. Any idea?
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14:56<agaida>connman: /usr/sbin/connmanctl
14:56<agaida>so i guess one want to have the rights to use that
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14:57<kaulfield>oh i see, /usr/sbin isnt on the user path by default, fixed ^^
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14:57<dboles>and nor should it be
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14:59<agaida>network settings aren't really user tasks
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15:02<somiaj>kaulfield: yea putting /sbin /usr/sbin in $PATH of a normal user most likely isn't the solution you want.
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15:22<abd32>Hello, I would like to suggest a project for inclusion in Debian (it's currently made for Ubuntu and I miss it very much) - where do I file a bug for this? Maybe there is somebody willing to package it for Debian? Its a parental control program that helps to limit the time kids spend in front of computer (without arguing with them each time): https://launchpad.net/timekpr-revived . There is no other project doing this...
15:27<dtw>abd32, see "RFP" (request for package) here: https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/
15:27<abd32>dtw: thank you!
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16:10<mjukk>how do i create a script to install aplications
16:10<mjukk>and how do i execute it?
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16:11<mjukk>i get i write the commands to install after each other. but where do i write it and how do i make it run?
16:11<Kafei>http://www.franzone.com/2008/08/14/how-to-create-a-bash-install-script/
16:11<Kafei>I googled
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16:15<mjukk>i did too and i didnt get an instruction i understood. but i will look att he link. thanks kafei
16:15<Kafei>Your best bet is old forum threads, not sure how much people want to explain something "simple"
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16:16<Kafei>I have no idea how to create scripts like this myself, fwiw
16:16<Kafei>That's just what I'd do
16:16<likcoras>mjukk: what are you trying to install, though? Someone tell you whatever steps to follow?
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16:19<mjukk>just a few applications. like tmux, htop and then a "miner" program and then run it
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16:19<dboles>,v tmux
16:19<judd>Package: tmux on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.6-2; wheezy-backports: 1.9-6~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.9-6; jessie-backports: 2.3-4~bpo8+1; sid: 2.3-4; stretch: 2.3-4; experimental: 2.4~git20170115-1
16:19<dboles>,v htop
16:19<judd>Package: htop on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1-1; jessie: 1.0.3-1; jessie-backports: 2.0.2-1~bpo8+1; sid: 2.0.2-1; stretch: 2.0.2-1
16:19<mjukk>im setting up a few different machines and it gets repetitive
16:20<dboles>open text editor, write #!/bin/sh, put all the commands you want to run, save file, chmod +x file
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16:20<aleesha>Hi
16:20<aleesha>how are you?
16:20<mjukk>dboles thanks!
16:20<aleesha>i am good thanks
16:21<aleesha>good good
16:21<dboles>what
16:21<KyleLazell>Hi ALeesha
16:21<aleesha>nothing never mind#
16:21<aleesha>hiya Kyle
16:21<KyleLazell>Hi U okay
16:21<aleesha>yeah You?
16:21<mjukk>dboles can i write it in windows text editor and save it as a .txt and then load it to the debian machine and chmod it?
16:22<dboles>do you people have anything on-topc to talk about, or
16:22<KyleLazell>Yeah Sure If U want Dboles
16:22<aleesha>@@@@@@
16:22<aleesha>???????
16:22<aleesha>???????????????????????
16:22<KyleLazell>:)
16:22<aleesha>??????????????????????????????
16:23<aleesha>:]
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16:23<aleesha>:]}
16:23<edocod>Hello!
16:23<aleesha>hiya
16:23<KyleLazell>Hi Edocod
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16:23<aleesha>How are you?
16:24<KyleLazell>Hi U guys HA cool Right
16:24<edocod>aleesha: Hey, i-m fine, thanks! Except that i messed up my Debian install haha
16:24<dboles>mjukk: it can be any text file; it just needs to contain a #! line and commands and be executable, then it can be run on whichever machine you want
16:24<aleesha>oh no
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16:24<aleesha>yeah good thanks Kyle.
16:24<dboles>mjukk: (assuming the shell and commands are valid for that machine obv)
16:24<KyleLazell>No Mate never mind then
16:25*dboles can't tell whether these are bots or just 12-year-olds
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16:26<edocod>I had a Debian install on my hdd, a MBR drive with an ext4 partition that occupied all the space. I dumped all my / in an external hard drive, converted my hdd to GPT and made a XFS root partition where i put back the debian files
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16:26<KyleLazell>No
16:26<edocod>However whatever i do i can-t boot using grub
16:26<KyleLazell>U okay Aleesha
16:26<aleesha>What do you mean Dboles?
16:27<edocod>I wanted to try grub-efi, but despite saying it installed correctly i cant boot from it, and i think thats me installing it wrongly
16:27<aleesha>yeah you?
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16:27<KyleLazell>Yeah Good Thanks Aleesha xx
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16:27<aleesha>Goog good Kyle xx
16:27<dboles>jfc
16:27<aleesha>Good good Kyle xx i mean.
16:28<aleesha>hgy
16:28<KyleLazell>I know Hahahahahahahah
16:28<aleesha>hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
16:28<KyleLazell>Yeah So what Are U doing aleesha xx
16:29<dboles>this isn't facebook chat or tinder, gtfo
16:29<edocod>Wtf are those bots
16:29<dboles>in a way, i hope so
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16:30<edocod>KyleLazell: What would you reply to me if i told you <html><title>JustRandomHtml</title></html>
16:31<aleesha>not much Kyle. What about you?.
16:31<KyleLazell>Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I dont Know Sorry
16:32<mtn>!ops aleesha KyleLazell
16:32<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: mtn complains about: aleesha KyleLazell
16:32<KyleLazell>Great I dont Know Sorry
16:32<dboles>mtn: thanks, i was hunting the wiki hoping there was a command
16:32<aleesha>Dboles. Kyle is my brother. hahahaha
16:32<KyleLazell>Yeah Hahahahahah
16:32<mtn>dboles: now we will see if any ops around
16:33<KyleLazell>What Do U mean Any Ops Around
16:33<aleesha>hahahahaha Dboles you are so funny.
16:33<aleesha>i am going off now see you later bye bye.
16:33<edocod>The fuck
16:33<aleesha>What do you mean ?
16:34<mtn>edocod: did you reinstall grub before trying to boot?
16:34<KyleLazell>Oh What Are you installing a operating system
16:35<edocod>mtn: yes, i did
16:35<KyleLazell>Oh Aleesha Can u please Stay On
16:35<mtn>edocod: using: grub-install /dev/sda?
16:35<KyleLazell>Oh Cool If U need An y Help Im Here To Help
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16:36<edocod>mtn: grub-install root equal /the/root/dir/mounted/from/my/live/cd /dev/sda
16:37<edocod>sorry if im writing equal but i cant figure out how to change the keyboard layout
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16:37<KyleLazell>Really
16:37<mtn>edocod: what error do you get when you try to boot?
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16:38<edocod>mtn: nothing, the bios just refuses to boot from it
16:38<mtn>!fixgrub
16:38<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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16:39<KyleLazell>Is it a on disk
16:39<mtn>edocod: using the debian install disk is even easier. just use expert mode to repair your grub
16:39<edocod>mtn: can i convert an existing install to efi?
16:39<edocod>mtn: oh
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16:40<edocod>Im writing to you from a debian live disc right now actually
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16:40<edocod>Well thanks, ill try that and report - i will disappear from this channel for a bit
16:40<edocod>Thanks!
16:40<mtn>edocod: don't use the live disk, use the normal debian install disk
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16:40<mtn>edocod: hope it helps
16:40<KyleLazell>Well Have Fun Guys Bye
16:40<edocod>mtn: doesnt it have an expert install mode too?
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16:41<mtn>edocod: not sure if it does or not. take a look. maybe it does
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16:41<edocod>Well ill check
16:41<edocod>Thanks again
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17:28<user>hi
17:28<LuciD>Hello
17:29<user>where are u from
17:29<LuciD>Earth
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17:29<Guest1850>i think so
17:29<Guest1850>mr lucid
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17:30<LuciD>What's up anyway
17:30<Guest1850>send my greetings to earth
17:30<Guest1850>fine and u
17:30<LuciD>greeting received
17:30<LuciD>good thanks
17:30<Guest1850>so why r u here
17:31<LuciD>The same reason you are
17:31<Guest1850>do u think that kali linux is better than parrot sec os
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17:34<amacater>!kali
17:34<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
17:34<amacater>!parrot
17:34<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
17:34<amacater>This is a Debian channel to discuss Debian issues
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18:17<aaron2>hey, I was wondering if anyone could help me set up a dual boot system
18:17<mots>What exactly do you have problems with?
18:18<aaron2>I currently have windows 10 installed, and want to put debian on a second internal drive
18:18<aaron2>is there any way to install debian to the second drive from within windows, or do I need to boot off a live cd for the installer
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18:18<mots>You need the live CD, just follow the installer like normally and it should work out fine.
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18:19<mots>When it asks you where you want to install GRUB pick the first hard drive. It can boot Windows too, so it's safe.
18:20<aaron2>I don't have a usb stick onhand, I could go get one, but I'm wondering if there's any way to avoid needing one
18:20<aaron2>could I format the second drive as a live cd, and boot off of it?
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18:21<mots>I don't think that's possible.
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18:23<aaron2>aright, thanks. I'll grab a usb and give it a try
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18:34<ewew>Hi. I got 403 on https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs02.html.en
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18:35<mtn>ewew: works fine here
18:35<ewew>it says can not find .htaccess
18:36<ewew>the problem is on /doc location too.
18:36<ewew>or its toying with me.
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18:38<ewew>or just a update of site.
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19:24<engys>Gabriel_7 no idea on which platform clang compiling should be easy? I have installed a full functioning clang 3.5.2 on the system right now and even in this system configuration it will drop errors if you try to compile the same version.
19:27<Celelibi>Is there a tag or something to mark bugs as related or duplicate?
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19:48<awal1>Celelibi, clone may be related
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20:38<camilo>hola
20:38<camilo>:)
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21:04<camilo>Hello ¿Can i ask for some help here? I had filled fully my hdd, and gnome doesn't run.
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