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02:04<annadane>i'm trying to add the package manager to an xfce panel, but it doesn't appear in the list when i click "add new item"
02:05<futurama140>Can someone give me a hand? I just updgrade my Debian 8.7.1 Jessie i386 Cinnamon, and now I can't Right-click, my desktop icons are missing and I can't access my file explorer (Nemo, I don't have nautilus)! Please I urgently need to access my files!
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02:07<futurama140>Can someone tell me also why I have 891 packages that have been "kept back" when running an upgrade?
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02:08<annadane>never mind, i figured it out
02:08<jm_>sounds you did something wrong - upgrade from what to what?
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02:08<futurama140>dunno... just typed "sudo apt-get upgrade"
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02:08<jm_>check you apt log then
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02:09<futurama140>my (STILL unanswered) post on stack exchange about another problem may give you more info, as it contains my terminal output: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/341889/what-do-i-do-to-resolve-this-output-from-the-terminal-891-kept-back-packages
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02:10<futurama140>Honestly I have little more than no clue as to what I'm doing yet.
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02:11<annadane>concerning packages being "kept back" did you try apt-get update?
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02:11<SKYRAN>Hi all cool debian staff! I want to boot my computer use PXE and install debian WITHOUT Internet. Is there any way because debian netboot need internet. I extract debian DVD to make mirror but it's not work.
02:11<alkisg>Hi, I want to install stretch rc 2 with mate-desktop, and I don't want to use netinst, which cd/dvd should I download? dvd-1?
02:11<annadane>futurama140
02:12<futurama140>annadane yes, I run apt-get update before i try to install or upgrade anything
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02:13<jm_>futurama140: what does this show? zgrep 'upgrade libc6' /var/log/dpkg*
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02:13<jm_>alkisg: as the topic says, for stretch ask in #debian-next and also -- /msg dpkg cd contents
02:13<alkisg>jm_: whoops, sorry, ty
02:14<futurama140>/var/log/dpkg.log:2017-02-01 17:58:03 upgrade libc6-i686:i386 2.19-18+deb8u7 2.24-9
02:14<futurama140>/var/log/dpkg.log.1:2017-01-23 14:17:46 upgrade libc6-dev:i386 2.19-18+deb8u6 2.19-18+deb8u7
02:14<futurama140>/var/log/dpkg.log.1:2017-01-23 14:17:49 upgrade libc6:i386 2.19-18+deb8u6 2.19-18+deb8u7
02:14<futurama140>/var/log/dpkg.log.1:2017-01-23 14:17:56 upgrade libc6-i686:i386 2.19-18+deb8u6 2.19-18+deb8u7
02:14-!-futurama140 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
02:14<jm_>alkisg: the second part shall be more helpful in figuring out which image you need
02:14<jm_>and no problem
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02:14<futurama140>whoops. my mistake. got kicked
02:14<jm_>yeah put it on the paste site
02:15<futurama140>yea, i wasn't thinking. sorry
02:15<jm_>,versions libc6
02:15<judd>Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u11; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u3; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u7; stretch: 2.24-8; sid: 2.24-9
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02:17<SKYRAN>Hi all cool debian staff! I want to boot my computer use PXE and install debian WITHOUT Internet. Is there any way because debian netboot need internet. I extract debian DVD to make mirror but it's not work.
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02:18<alkisg>jm_, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-cd/ only lists contents for stable, couldn't find testing anywhere there; ty though, I got a reply in #debian-next
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02:18<jm_>SKYRAN: please don't repeat so soon, be patient and wait for someone to reply
02:18<SKYRAN>jm_: Excuse bro. :)
02:18<jm_>alkisg: cool
02:18<futurama140>annadane is the output i pasted useful? I have no clue what any of that means.
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02:19<futurama140>I have no clue what lib6 or whatever it's called is, or what purpose it serves
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02:21<jm_>SKYRAN: no problem
02:21<annadane>well, i assume your output you posted got cut off? because you posted it in the main channel rather than dpaste
02:21<jm_>it means you upgraded your system from jessie, 8.1.7 to stretch ...
02:21<annadane>we only saw 4 lines
02:21<jm_>which I suspect is not what you wanted to do
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02:22<jm_>and your system is probably in some semi/bastardized state now
02:22<futurama140>annadane No, those 4 lines were all of it.
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02:22<annadane>okay
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02:27<alkisg>SKYRAN: why don't you want to use a usb stick?
02:28<SKYRAN>alkisg: Hi. Mass debian installation on cluster
02:29<annadane>but yes i feel like if you check your logs you'll find what you did and you can reverse it
02:29<alkisg>SKYRAN: and I assume you don't want to install one, and clone it to all the others?
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02:29<futurama140>i dont know what anything in logs means, nor do i know how to find the logs.
02:29<annadane> /var/log/apt/history.log
02:30<annadane>in your file system
02:30<SKYRAN>alkisg: actually I want to boot use PXE and then install by preseed config file
02:30<annadane>if you can't access your file manager then do it via the command line with a text editor
02:30<annadane>eg nano /var/log/apt/history.log
02:30<futurama140>annadane i cannot open gedit or nano. i get a massive list of errors
02:31<annadane>nano is one text editor, you may not have it installed
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02:31<annadane>https://wiki.debian.org/TextEditor
02:31<alkisg>SKYRAN: if you have control over dns, I don't think it would be hard to mirror the debian netinst site using wget in spider mode, and then point the clients via dns to your local mirror...
02:31<futurama140>i had nano installed before
02:32<annadane>^ that has a list which you can try
02:32<alkisg>SKYRAN: I believe d-i would also have a parameter for controlling the mirror there
02:33<SKYRAN>alkisg: So there is no way use debian DVD to make mirror of debian. because I made repo use DVD but it isn't working
02:33<futurama140>annadane nano is now working for some reason.... and i have done absolutely nothing but copy and paste the command... that shouldn't happen...
02:34<annadane>well, good, you have your log now
02:34<alkisg>SKYRAN: I'm not an expert there, I'm not sure. I imagine they might have different repository metadata.
02:34<annadane>now it depends on what you did to your system, you should be careful when rolling back changes
02:35<SKYRAN>alkisg: Ohhhh, Thanks.
02:35<annadane>i'm just trying to think of the best way to do it; you can also lose files which you need depending on what you do
02:36<annadane>i want to say debian has the ability to roll back changes on its own
02:36<SKYRAN>Another question, Is there any way to install fresh debian sid? I use netinst but it get gpg error! Is there anyway so d-i ignore gpg check during install?
02:37<annadane>i'll leave it up to someone who knows more than i do to tackle this issue
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02:38<annadane>i know there's a wiki page which lists the progressions you can go through including going back from testing to stabl
02:38<annadane>stable
02:38<annadane>(which you may not even necessarily want to do)
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02:39<futurama140>annadane: i literally have three entries: Commandline: apt-get install aptly ; Commandline: apt-get upgrade spotify-client ; Commandline: apt-get upgrade
02:39<annadane>hmm
02:41<futurama140>that's it. and i would pastebin the info from nano, but I cant copy/paste anything from nano, and i dont even know what or where to find a "meta" key
02:41<annadane>can you copy + paste anything from your computer in general?
02:42<annadane>i assume you know about control + c, which doesn't require right clicking
02:42<futurama140>yea
02:42<SKYRAN>futurama140: "Meta" in many computer is "Win" Key
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02:43<futurama140>yea i have no problems ctrl+c ctrl+v copy pasting, nor do i have problems doing it via the context menu, i just cqant do either of those in nano
02:43<jm_>you should finish your upgrade to stretch if you started it
02:43<futurama140>how?
02:43<annadane>oh, yeah, you can't in nano, i'm sorry
02:43<jm_>find the right document here https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/releasenotes
02:44<futurama140>according to the MAN page on apt-get, "upgrade" upgrades all my currently installed packages... meaning my programs, right?
02:45<futurama140>jm_ that is all greek to me.
02:45<annadane>meaning your packages
02:45<annadane>your packages according to the repository you have them from
02:45<futurama140>whats the difference?
02:45<jm_>futurama140: what? it's very well written document
02:46<futurama140>i dont believe i have tried to install debian 9
02:46<annadane>apt-get upgrade checks the packages according to the repositories you currently have installed
02:46<annadane>individual programs may or may not come from there
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02:47<annadane>(that was badly worded, repos aren't installed, i mean the repos that are currently referenced to by the system)
02:47<jm_>that's why I earlier said "<jm_> which I suspect is not what you wanted to do"
02:47<jm_>but your libc6 version is now from stretch
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02:47<jm_>and thus so many kept back packages ...
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02:47<futurama140>Ok.
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02:48<annadane>so to finish your upgrade to stretch you would need to include it in your sources list
02:49<futurama140>I don't want stretch...
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02:50<futurama140>i doubt this system could handle that... this computer is a decade old, from before my hiatus from the world...
02:51<alkisg>The operating system doesn't matter anymore, it needs something like 100-200 mb of ram, while a browser needs 1 gb ram :D
02:52<alkisg>So if you use a recent browser, the OS version doesn't matter for system requirements...
02:52<futurama140>Is there some way to get apt-get to restore the 8.7.1 that I had before?
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02:52<jm_>!downgrade
02:52<dpkg>Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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02:53<annadane>i wish i could find the wiki on rolling back changes, i know it exists
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02:55<jm_>absolutely, with manual work
02:55<futurama140>I have code, assets, scripts... all sorts of stuff from the last year or two of programming games and producing youtube videos that i cant put onto any external storage now.... is that all lost now?
02:56<annadane>one second, i'm working something out
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02:56<alkisg>In the debian installer, what does "debian desktop environment" mean? Should I keep it checked, if I want to install mate-desktop (for which I do get an option below?)
02:56<annadane>yes
02:56<alkisg>Is it like "a few xorg dependencies and the debian menu system", or is it like "pull the whole gnome DE"?
02:56<futurama140>man, you people here in the IRC are always VASTKY more pleasant and helpful than anyone ever is on stack exchange!
02:57<futurama140>*vastly
02:57<annadane>so here's what i'm thinking right now, and i could be wrong about this approach
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02:58<SKYRAN>alkisg: If you install minimum set of debian and then install mate it mush better. using tasksel install lot's of thing which not necessary
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02:58<alkisg>SKYRAN: i'm trying to make it easier for teachers to follow instructions, so I try to stick to what the installer offers
02:58<alkisg>ty :)
02:59<jm_>alkisg: that installs some common stuff, apt-cache show task-desktop
02:59<SKYRAN>alkisg: so no way in this situation
02:59<annadane>i feel like it would first of all be helpful to see your sources list, which means using a text editor you can use control c on to copy the contents (or just manually type it into paste which is more work but maybe actually preferable if your system is broken, installing another text editor might make the problem worse); beyond that, find which testing packages you have installed, remove them (not sure how much risk there
03:00<jm_>alkisg: also adds gnome if you have recommends enabled
03:00<annadane>...sources list, just stable, and then do an apt-get update and apt-get full upgrade
03:00<annadane>somebody tell me if this is a terrible idea or not
03:00<annadane>there may be a much simpler solution
03:01<jm_>ahh maybe it won't add gnome if you also enable mate desktop, best try it out and see
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03:01<jm_>(shows how often I use installer)
03:02<SKYRAN>Is there any way to install fresh debian sid? I use netinst but it get gpg error! Is there anyway so d-i ignore gpg check during install?
03:02<futurama140>annadane: figured out how to copy from nano
03:02<futurama140>annadane: https://paste.debian.net/912397/
03:02<alkisg>jm_, checking apt-cache show task-desktop, I see that it will probably pull task-mate-desktop, not task-gnome-desktop, which would be ok if it worked like that...
03:02<jm_>SKYRAN: don't think so, one installs stable and then dist upgrades
03:03<annadane>well, i see sid in there, which is unstable
03:03<jm_>alkisg: yeah if you also mark mate desktop task then that is what I would expect it to happen
03:03<alkisg>jm_: cool, so I'll keep it checked in future installations
03:03<annadane>(stretch is testing, sid is unstable)
03:05<SKYRAN>jm_: but this isn't good way. config files try to update previous package. so no way except debootstrap?
03:05<annadane>the thing is, you say you can't put your files onto external storage so i'm worried anything tried will destroy things you need
03:06<jm_>SKYRAN: why is it not a good way?
03:06<annadane>otherwise what i would guess is find packages you have installed which are sid packages, remove those, get rid of sid in your sources list and replace it with stable, apt-get update and apt-get full upgrade
03:07<futurama140>annadane: well jm suggested just finishing the upgrade, and if it's testing (but not unstable) then maybe I should just do that?
03:07<annadane>you have unstable in your sources list, though
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03:08<jm_>yeah I misread, it's actually sid version
03:08<futurama140>what about commenting out the sid entries?
03:08<annadane>i'm just not sure whether the problem is caused by packages currently installed or whether the damage goes deeper than that
03:09<annadane>logic would dictate that it's packages currently installed and so removing the sid packages followed by an update would fix it?
03:10<annadane>oh, but i did miss an important step in this, which is after removing the sid packages you should first do an apt-get autoremove
03:10<futurama140>that makes sense to me, at least logically...
03:10<annadane>but again i don't know if that's necessarily the right thing
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03:10<alkisg>jm_: just for the record, while I had not checked "Debian desktop environment", I ended up with "task-desktop" installed anyway... :D
03:11<futurama140>well it's not like i havent been fully property-raped by life a dozen times before, so I guess it's worth a shot...
03:11<annadane>i'd just feel really bad if you did lose all your files though i want to say debian is robust enough not to do that
03:11<annadane>and i want second opinions before suggesting anything
03:12<futurama140>jm_: could we ask for your opinion?
03:13<jm_>futurama140: finishing your upgrade to stretch (which will become stable sometime this year) will involve much less manual work
03:13<jm_>but I would make a backup in any case
03:14<SKYRAN>jm_: because of Package maintainer scripts. they config tons of thing and for dist-upgrade time it get lots of time to execute them.
03:14<futurama140>yea... thats the issue. I can't back up anything...
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03:15<futurama140>annadane: what do you think? that's jm_'s opinion
03:15<jm_>SKYRAN: ahh no, install the base only, then upgrade that to sid then install the rest
03:15<annadane>well, i don't think moving to stretch will break things, certainly not more than sid
03:15<jm_>futurama140: why not?
03:15<SKYRAN>futurama140: isn't live DVD solve your problem to backup your data?
03:15<annadane>and yeah, let's rule out backups as a logical impossibility before anything
03:16<futurama140>jm_: no file explorer, and I can't force any of my external media to mount
03:16<jm_>futurama140: no doubt #debian can help you get that going using CLI
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03:16<futurama140>i also dont have a CD drive, nor do i have a working RJ-45 port. (both the disc drive and the rj-45 are physically destroyed)
03:17<annadane>once we determine that then we can worry about moving to stretch
03:17<SKYRAN>jm_: I'm talking about base. it have lots of package!
03:17<jm_>SKYRAN: well FSVO lots
03:17<futurama140>plus, i have one 2gb thumb drive, and about 35gb of personal data.
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03:18<SKYRAN>futurama140: you can boot use USB live booting DVD
03:18<futurama140>I know i'm in a really stupid spot to be, but i'm on a fixed income and havent been able to get any additional help
03:19<annadane>debian is pretty good at not deleting your files if you just change or remove packages
03:19<annadane>it's still a good precaution
03:20<annadane>sorry if i've been confusing at all, by the way
03:20<SKYRAN>futurama140: don't blame. listen as far as I understand there is no problem. you can use DVD live and boot use USB. Even you can recovery
03:20<futurama140>No, you and jm_ have been incredibly helpful and i really greatly appreciate it
03:20<jm_>yeah so backup is out of the question if you have no big enough external storage
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03:22<annadane>for now i'm going to list a sources file you would need to migrate to testing (i assume there are reasons we can't move to stable)
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03:23<futurama140>so how would I go about finishing this interupted upgrade? is SKYRAN's suggestion in possession of any merit?
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03:24<jm_>edit sources.list, follow upgrade procedure from stretch release notes
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03:25<annadane>one other thing i'd like to find out is the order of something
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03:26<annadane>whether to move to testing first and only later remove unstable packages, i feel like that's the correct order
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03:26<annadane>but, anyway, one sec
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03:28<futurama140>trying to read these release notes, i feel like a pre-schooler reading a college thesis. Nearly every sentence contains a term or reference to a piece of software which I caqnnot identify
03:28<SKYRAN>futurama140: Do you want to listen or you want to blame yourself?
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03:29<futurama140>SKYRAN: I cannot use the USB. It's out of the question.
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03:31<SKYRAN>futurama140: OK, which Peripheral does your computer have?
03:31<futurama140>in fact, I am using a USB keyboard in my ONE usb port, because the integrated keyboard in the system is broken, so even if i had a usb that wasnt filled up with stuff i need to save, I would not be able to use both the USB and the keyboard ayt the same time
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03:32<futurama140>i also do not have an RJ-45 port, nor do I have any working disc drive
03:32<SKYRAN>futurama140: So you have USB but it ONLY ONE port. so you can buy one usb hub
03:32<futurama140>SKYRAN no I cant.
03:32<futurama140>Im on a fixed income
03:33<futurama140>I do not have a single dollar that isn't earmarked for my considerable bills
03:33<annadane>https://paste.debian.net/912412/ does this look right to everyone?
03:34<futurama140>If I wanted to buy some USB hub then I would have to wait until next month, and then I would have to go an entire month without internet just to cover the cost
03:34<annadane>except actually spell stretch correctly, there's a typo in there
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03:34<futurama140>haha
03:34<jm_>typo in stetch-backports + there's no such thing now I believe so I would remove that
03:34<annadane>ah
03:35<annadane>so yeah, let me fix all that
03:35<annadane>i guess replace the stretch backports with jessie backports
03:35<jm_>no just remove it entirely
03:35<SKYRAN>futurama140: So how your computer connect to Internet bro?
03:36<futurama140>wifi.
03:36<SKYRAN>futurama140: PCI wifi?
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03:36<futurama140>I suppose. Integrated wifi in the laptop.
03:36<annadane>https://paste.debian.net/912413/
03:37<annadane>i notice you had deb-src commented out
03:37<futurama140>Yea, I didn't do that
03:37<annadane>so i've fixed that as well
03:38<futurama140>in fact, the additions I did make to my sources.list seem to have disappeared
03:38<annadane>oh, yeah, you have to save it
03:38<annadane>so in nano, when you make changes, use control + x to close the window, press y, and then press enter
03:39<annadane>(in that order. control + x will not immediately close the window because it asks if you want to make changes)
03:39<SKYRAN>annadane: upgrading to stretch may result to wifi connection interrupt.
03:39<SKYRAN>annadane: consider that
03:39<futurama140>yea, thanks. I've been perusing the man page for nano. I really don't dig it, but perhaps it's better at what it does than I can see
03:40<annadane>right now we're trying to determine the feasibility of backups before upgrading
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03:41<annadane>you haven't upgraded anything yet, just told the system what repos to use
03:42<futurama140>annadane: So I have gathered. Task complete, sources.list updated, saved, and looking nice with your fine formatting :)
03:43<SKYRAN>futurama140: Is data accessible in your computer RIGHT NOW? for example in /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda2 or etc
03:43<futurama140>SKYRAN: yes, but some system functions are not working, like "cp" command.
03:44<annadane>but yeah for future reference i'd learn how to read source lists
03:44<annadane>there was some really weird things in there
03:44<annadane>https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
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03:44<jm_>really? cp is not working? what happens?
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03:44<futurama140>annadane: yea, I've been trying to learn how to do that, that's probably why it looked so odd, testing out what i'm trying to learn and all that
03:45<SKYRAN>futurama140: That because in the middle of upgrade
03:45<futurama140>jm_ absolutely nothing, just a new terminal line
03:45<jm_>futurama140: that means it works
03:45<futurama140>it doesn't copy anything though
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03:47<annadane>can you provide the output of what it says when you try to copy?
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03:47<futurama140>say for example i tried "sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/BACKUPsources.list" there would be no new file
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03:48<futurama140>even though in the past, i would have recieved some confirmation or at least had a new file created
03:48<annadane>right but does it provide a specific message?
03:48<jm_>ok so run this: sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/BACKUPsources.list; echo $?; ls -l /etc/apt/BACKUPsources.list
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03:49<jm_>so maybe it's sudo that doesn't work, in which case you can try su - root, and run cp there
03:49<annadane>yeah also that
03:49<jm_>or login directly as root
03:50<SKYRAN>jm_: but it should give perm din
03:50<jm_>(on another tty)
03:50<futurama140>ls: cannot access '/etc/apt/BACKUPsources.list': No such file or directory
03:51<SKYRAN>futurama140: if you press Alt+Ctrl+F2 you give new tty. to get back you can use Alt+Ctrl+F7 or Alt+Ctrl+F8
03:51<jm_>what did echo show?
03:51<futurama140>1
03:51<SKYRAN>futurama140: mean error
03:51<jm_>ok so yeah it failed, try other methods then
03:52<futurama140>root@harvey:/home/ben# cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/BACKUPsources.list
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03:52<jm_>now try echo and ls
03:52<SKYRAN>So hard to solve
03:53<futurama140>1 ls: cannot access '/etc/apt/BACKUPsources.list': No such file or directory
03:53<futurama140>just tried again: Now I get:
03:54<futurama140>bash: cp: command not found
03:54<jm_>ouch, you no longer have coreutils package installed?
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03:55<futurama140>"coreutils is already the newest version"
03:55<SKYRAN>futurama140: dpkg -l | grep -i coreuti
03:55<futurama140>apt-get and dpkg both say I have coreutils installed
03:55<annadane>i hope it's not the sid version of coreutils
03:56<annadane>if it exists
03:56<futurama140>just a sec
03:56<jm_>does ls show it -- ls -l /bin/cp
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03:57<SKYRAN>futurama140: send out put of ls
03:57<futurama140>coreutils version 8.26
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03:58<futurama140>nevermind. It's all working now
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03:58<futurama140>2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 572 Feb 2 01:52 /etc/apt/BACKUPsources.list
03:59<jm_>\o/
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03:59<SKYRAN>futurama140: OK
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03:59<SKYRAN>futurama140: Can you backup now?
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04:00<futurama140>omg I need to put on some electrojazz, im getting a pissed-off migraine. thank god spotify is still working.
04:00<SKYRAN>futurama140: Migrations always is pain in ...
04:00<SKYRAN>futurama140: :)
04:01<SKYRAN>futurama140: *migraine
04:01<annadane>the thought of migrating migrains is terrifying
04:01<futurama140>OK well the sources file is there, and thanks to annadane, it is clean. and it is finally backed up
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04:02<futurama140>annadane: actually loled at that
04:02<annadane>all right, so now to upgrade to stretch, i suppose, though as mentioned the wifi could be interrupted?
04:02<SKYRAN>futurama140: migration is risky
04:03<SKYRAN>futurama140: better stick to stable
04:03<SKYRAN>futurama140: or in this case simi-stable :)
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04:04<futurama140>so run the upgrade now. I hope this works. if not, you will not hear from me unless by some miracle somone comes by this time of night. (i have a form of agoraphobia so if this doesn't work, im literally stuck here until someone shows up, I can't afford both internet and a phone)
04:04<annadane>wait
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04:05<annadane>there are some steps to this
04:05<futurama140>ctrl-z?
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04:05<annadane>if, in the first place, we're agreed that testing is the best option
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04:06<annadane>i think it is and we can just move forward with it but yeah, there are some steps i need to outline
04:06<futurama140>I trust your seeming warm sincerity and jm_'s stoic sincerity. I have no opinion in this other than to trust you.
04:07<annadane>so okay, tell me if this makes sense
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04:09<annadane>first of all, can you open your package manager?
04:09<annadane>like, will it let you do that
04:09<SKYRAN>futurama140: send output of this command to check hardware compatibility. lspci
04:10<futurama140>you mean dpkg?
04:10<futurama140>or aptitude?
04:10<annadane>no, i mean the program you have called package manager
04:11<annadane>if you run a search for it you should find it
04:12<annadane>i don't know which desktop environment you're on
04:12<futurama140>i tried "package manager" "packagemanager" "package-manager" and "package_manager" and each one said "command not found"
04:12<annadane>okay, which desktop environment?
04:12<futurama140>I am using cinnamon
04:13<futurama140>currently logged in under "default Xsession" for whatever that means.... looks just like cinnamon to me
04:13<annadane>wait, command not found?
04:13<annadane>you're using the terminal?
04:13<futurama140>yes.
04:14<annadane>sorry, i meant search it using run program or something
04:14<futurama140>oh
04:14<annadane>like for me on xfce it's just applications menu > run program
04:14<futurama140>i assume not gdebi....
04:14<SKYRAN>futurama140: or Alt+F2
04:14<futurama140>Synaptic
04:14<annadane>or altf2, yeah
04:14<annadane>yeah if you have synaptic package manager try to open that
04:15<futurama140>ok it's open
04:15<annadane>okay, fine
04:15<annadane>makes your job easier
04:15<annadane>so you don't need this right now and actually you'll need it closed for now so that you can run updates
04:15<annadane>but for later it'll make things easier
04:16<annadane>(bear with me, i'm looking through my own package manager for this)
04:17<futurama140>can I leave non-essential programs open? (I have this irc program open- xchat, and spotify open (for my own sanity))
04:17<annadane>yeah yeah you can
04:18<futurama140>I wasn't looking at the terminal, but ah... you should take a look at this
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04:19<annadane>yeah, paste what you have
04:19<futurama140>https://paste.debian.net/912415/
04:19<SKYRAN>futurama140: That's normal
04:19<itd>futurama140: Sorry to interrupt, but I think you should consider preparing a debian live boot - in case something goes wrong.
04:20<futurama140>yea, i'm running through a VPN so my pages take a second to load
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04:20<futurama140>itd: we've talked about this, and it's not possible for me
04:20<annadane>does anyone know if you can actually filter packages in the package manager based on stable/testing/unstable?
04:20<itd>futurama140: Didn't see that, thanks.
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04:21<futurama140>itd: thanks for input, though, i do appreciate it/
04:21<annadane>i'm just being lazy and i can add testing to my repo so it has the option for it but i'm wondering if people know offhand
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04:21<SKYRAN>annadane: synaptic have filter
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04:22<annadane>okay
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04:22<annadane>so it would be under the main menu in the package manager, settings - filter
04:22<SKYRAN>annadane: but first should apt-get install update
04:22<annadane>yeah, i know
04:22<annadane>just making sure first before posting some steps
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04:23<SKYRAN>annadane: of course. it's critical and risky
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04:23<annadane>what is?
04:24<annadane>oh, you mean just in general
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04:24<annadane>all right, so
04:24<SKYRAN>annadane: Yes :)
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04:24<annadane>and again, tell me if this makes sense
04:25<SKYRAN>annadane: which exactly?
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04:26<annadane>1) apt-get update 2) apt-get full-upgrade 3) apt-get autoremove 4) go through the package manager and filter packages by sid or unstable, right click and click "mark for complete removal" (but use your judgement on this based on what you need, maybe take note of it so you can return to it later)
04:27<annadane>and then after that another apt-get autoremove for good measure
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04:27<stiopa>hello all, does anyone knows what's the minimum screen resolution to use debian? I have 1024 x 600 and I'm looking for system that I'll able to use. Ubuntu and Mint have requirements of 768 lines horizontally, and it's hard to use when windows don't fit in the screen.
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04:28<futurama140>annadane: my home directory is seperate from the important system files, correct?
04:28<jm_>stiopa: debian has no such requirements per se, you can always use a different DE if one doesn't work quite right
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04:29<annadane>like i said, it *shouldn't* delete your files
04:29<annadane>and yeah, it is
04:29<futurama140>also, when building this system, I made seperate partitions for my /home, /var, and /etc directories
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04:30<annadane>should be fine?
04:30<futurama140>ok i am a complete noob here, but this seems to be an easier idea to me, tell me where i am wrong with this but...
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04:32<futurama140>what if i use gparted to resize my /home partition, created a new partition on the newly unallocated space, installed a new distro there.... botted to the new distro, and then transfered my files from this bastaqrdized muck-up to the new distro?
04:33<annadane>also, futurama140, keep in mind that you're moving to testing which is less stable than stable so be cautious of what you install in future
04:33<futurama140>*booted
04:34<SKYRAN>futurama140: How you install new distro?
04:34<annadane>(but testing is certainly more stable than sid, that being said)
04:34<annadane>and i suppose in future you can move back to stable, but yeah
04:35<futurama140>actually... i'd have to create two new partitions... one to image a live image to, and the other to do the actual install on
04:35<annadane>(which means taking the source file i posted and replacing stretch with jessie)
04:35<futurama140>annadane: does that idea make any sense?
04:36<annadane>well, if that's the only way of backing up your files...
04:36<SKYRAN>annadane: But how he can install fresh debian without USB, PXE, DVD, ...
04:36<annadane>yeah, i dunno
04:36<annadane>to me it makes more sense to not do that
04:37<futurama140>cp command creates bootable iso
04:37<SKYRAN>annadane: debootstrap is there but so complex
04:37<itd>futurama140: shrinking can be risky but then you can do something like this: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en
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04:37<futurama140>ok, well let's continue then
04:37<futurama140>running the upgrade now
04:38<SKYRAN>itd: You watch like me. It's interesting.
04:38<alkisg>futurama140: I haven't read your conversation, only the last few lines; but if you want to install a new distro over an existing broken one, you can easily "mkdir /mnt/srv/old-distro; mv /mnt/* /mnt/srv/old-distro", and then install normaly, while keeping everything in a subdir
04:38<annadane>futurama140: wait a second; you still here?
04:39<SKYRAN>alkisg: No it's not working because boot partition.
04:39<annadane>i just realized i made a mistake >_>
04:39<alkisg>SKYRAN: he can't boot from a live stick and mv everything aside because of a boot partition?
04:40<itd>alkisg: anything with "live" seems to be an issue.
04:40<SKYRAN>alkisg: He don't have USB port
04:40<futurama140>http://paste.debian.net/912419/
04:40<alkisg>How did he install in the first place?
04:40<alkisg>Netboot is also really easy...
04:40<SKYRAN>itd: Anything with USB, DVD, PXE is issue actually
04:40<alkisg>Haha
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04:41<SKYRAN>annadane: Where is he?
04:41<annadane>?
04:41<SKYRAN>annadane: I don't see his massage excuse
04:41<annadane>he's currently upgrading
04:41<SKYRAN>annadane: lot's of file to get update
04:41<futurama140>i have one working USB port which has my keyboard in it, no RJ-45 port, and no cd drive
04:42<annadane>ok, futurama, how much have you done so far?
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04:42<futurama140>annadane: http://paste.debian.net/912419/
04:42<grove>stiopa: Debian doesn't impose any limits, the software you want to use on Debian might. I prefer to not have a desktop environment and use i3 for a window manager, I don't see why that shouldn't work on 1024x600 (that sounds rather non-standard), but I haven't tried it on that low a resolution (minimum must be my old laptop, I don't remember what resolution that had, I think it might have been ...
04:42<grove>... 1280x800)
04:43<alkisg>1024x600 was standard in older netbooks
04:43<annadane>futurama140: ignore what i said about deleting sid packages, there's an option in the package manager called "mark for upgrade"
04:43<annadane>use that instead where it's appropriate
04:44<alkisg>futurama140, SKYRAN, another boot option is to download an .iso to the hard disk and boot it directly from the existing grub
04:44<annadane>ok so yes, i see your paste
04:44<alkisg>It can be inside the file system, it doesn't need a separate partition
04:44<futurama140>alkisg: That's almost the same as what I had suggested!
04:45<annadane>and i also see "packages held back"
04:45<futurama140>annadane: Yea, the same 891 as before
04:46<SKYRAN>alkisg: It should be live. If get install .iso remove and d-i get error
04:46<futurama140>annadane: it only "upgraded" 2 packages, and there is no "full-upgrade" option
04:47<annadane>you did do apt-get update beforehand, right?
04:47<futurama140>annadane: yes.
04:47<annadane>k
04:47<jm_>just use apt as suggested by release notes
04:47<SKYRAN>annadane: mean not apt-get only apt
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04:48<annadane>oh, yeah, try apt full-upgrade, not apt-get
04:48<futurama140>alkisg: i have a failed, aborted "upgrade" which I did not mean to do, and not the sytem has lost a huge amount of functionality, yet i literally hove no plausible way to back up my data.
04:49<stiopa>Thanks for answers, <jm_> and <grove>
04:50<alkisg>futurama140: I've done the "boot from .iso in the hard disk and install" a couple of times, but it would be a lot easier if you had a usb stick and a usb hub to plug it into, or an rj45 (how are you accessing the internet without it?) etc
04:50<annadane>apt full-upgrade and then apt-get autoremove
04:50<stiopa>btw, I'm new in IRC, how to highlight someone's nick in my msg?
04:50<annadane>just say their name as it appears
04:50<futurama140>annadane: ok, it is now doing its thing, heres the paste of the important snippet: http://paste.debian.net/912424/
04:50<alkisg>futurama140: also, you can't really resize the partitions when you're booted with those and are in use
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04:50<futurama140>alkisg: wifi
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04:50<stiopa>annadane: I see
04:51<alkisg>futurama140: you can access the live media over wifi too, although that's also harder than a usb hub
04:51<annadane>futurama140, if you've already gone through with pressing y after "After this operation, 1,971 MB of additional disk space will be used.", hold off on the autoremove until the discussion of backing up data has finished
04:52<alkisg>futurama140: how did you install in the first place?
04:52<jm_>stiopa: that's not something you do as such, their IRC client does, typically if you start your line with "other_nick: bla bla"
04:53<stiopa>jm_: I guess I got it now :)
04:54<futurama140>alkisg: the man with the USB hub who originally FORCED me to move from ubuntu to debian (I'm actually impressed, tbh, for being a total noob) is now in jail being charged with god-knows-what-for federal offense... I have reason to believe he did not receive a pardon for running to canada to avoid the draft back during Nam.
04:54<alkisg>futurama140: and it's so hard to find a usb hub?
04:54<alkisg>(even borrow one...)
04:55<SKYRAN>futurama140: The reality is you need fresh install of debian. You should find USB hub at some point.
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04:56<Skyrim>goodmorning anyone can help with installing broadcom 43142 wifi card on debian(parrot sec) ?
04:56<alkisg>If you cannot find a usb hub, then you can still boot the .iso from the hard disk, using the existing grub. I've done it with ubuntu, debian, fedora and some other distros.
04:57<futurama140>alkisg: I have agoraphobia, and so leaving the house is not an option. If I choose to buy a hub, I have to go without either internet or several days of food next month, and being in my situation, I really do not know people. I had to get my insurance to pay just to be sedated (and lugged about) to move into the new house in a new town recently... I do not know a single person within a hundred miles
04:57<SKYRAN>alkisg: I think it is risky to config grub
04:57<alkisg>SKYRAN: it's just an additional option, he doesn't have to delete the existing ones
04:57<jm_>!parrot
04:57<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
04:57<jm_>Skyrim ^^^^^^^^
04:58<alkisg>futurama140: eh, like my younger daughter :(
04:58<Skyrim>ohh ok :)
05:00<futurama140>alkisg: Possibly, and yet likely older than you hah.
05:00<SKYRAN>alkisg: but he should update-grub and may not work
05:00<alkisg>SKYRAN: there's a custom grub entry in /etc/grub.d just for that purpose
05:00<alkisg>Or, he can directly edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg
05:01<alkisg>I was in a similar situation once; and I did manage to make it work, but it required a lot of time
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05:02<SKYRAN>alkisg: Oh. you right. but he can use live media not instalation one
05:02<alkisg>"loopback" was needed in grub to loop-mount the iso, and fromiso= in the debian command line
05:02<alkisg>(while in ubuntu it's iso-scan/filename=)
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05:02<futurama140>alkisg: annadane: both of you excuse me, I apparently have some other of my crazies popping out. Spend enough time alone, and your own mind will create it's own people for you to be annpyed with ;)
05:02<SKYRAN>alkisg: you right bro.
05:03<alkisg>cheers guys
05:03<alkisg>bb for now
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05:03<annadane>so is this conversation finished? i'm not sure where we stand on the backing up files thing
05:03<SKYRAN>annadane: me to!
05:04<alkisg>mv old-install to subdir?
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05:08<annadane>incidentally futurama140 once this is done you may want to look around the package manager using the various filters just to make sure nothing unusual happened
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05:09<annadane>it has a "broken" filter amongst other things, for example
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05:12<annadane>(which you might have done in the first place had i thought of that then...)
05:12<futurama140>annadane: Ok, I'm back. What do you mean by unusual?
05:13<annadane>well, just in case not everything went according to plan for whatever reason
05:13<annadane>it's just a good way to double check
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05:14<annadane>can you actually do things on your system now?
05:15<annadane>based on what you put in paste it seems you already did apt full-upgrade
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05:16<futurama140>annadane: upgrade is nowhere near done
05:16<annadane>oh, haha
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05:19<futurama140>It makes you go crazy without people around. Literally. had to step away from the computer for the panic attack.
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05:21<itd>dpkg: give futurama140 a hug
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05:22<annadane>i'll be back in a minute, i have to reboot
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05:24<SKYRAN>futurama140: how much data you have to back up?
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05:26<annadane>i would say that when it's done updating you could do a reboot but if we're still discussing file backups it may not be a good idea in case you can't boot into your system
05:26<annadane>debian does have a recovery mode but yeah
05:30<futurama140>jeez i just lost out on x amount of potential progress because the terminal put up some f*cking bullsh*t that i had to scroll forever to the bottom and press Q just to get back to the upgrade
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05:32<SKYRAN>futurama140: that warn you because it even update the kernel. It's not to much
05:32<futurama140>so i have to sit here through the entire upgrade just to qkeep scrolling through and hitting q everytime it does this.... which has happened 3 times now.
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05:33<petn-randall>futurama140: You can turn it off if you don't care about it.
05:33<SKYRAN>futurama140: finish soon! :)
05:33<futurama140>progress: 5%
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05:33<futurama140>petn-randall how do I do that if you don't mind?
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05:34<petn-randall>futurama140: You can't change it mid-upgrade, but you can add it to the command line next time you upgrade. Depends on what prompts you get.
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05:34<futurama140>petn-randall ah, ok
05:35<petn-randall>futurama140: You can set it that 'apt dist-upgrade' runs through non-interactively.
05:35<annadane>out of curiosity, have you done any apt-get autoremove yet?
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05:35<SKYRAN>futurama140: how much data you should back up. I try to find cloud storage.
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05:35<annadane>i think he said 35 GB
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05:36<petn-randall>futurama140: If it's debconf messages, you can set it to "non-interactive", and it'll only select the defaults.
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05:37<annadane>i wasn't even thinking of cloud storage
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05:37<SKYRAN>annadane: it very common nowady
05:37<annadane>though for files you don't want to be seen that can be risky
05:38<futurama140>annadane: nowhere near ready to do an autoremove yet
05:38<annadane>ah, ok. was just wondering
05:38<SKYRAN>annadane: Encrypted one.
05:38<futurama140>using the terminal and navigating that way, it appears I actually have closer to 300gb of stuff to save
05:39<SKYRAN>futurama140: no thats all disk
05:39<annadane>yeah there's a difference between everything on your computer and the personal files you want saved
05:39<futurama140>SKYRAN: no, the disk is 500gb
05:40<futurama140>annadane I have 240gb just of video
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05:40<SKYRAN>futurama140: use du -sh * on you /home
05:40<annadane>fair enough
05:41<futurama140>285G /home
05:41<SKYRAN>futurama140: this site offer you 50 GB of ENCRYPTED cloud storage. https://mega.nz/
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05:43<Echoz>futurama140: digitalocean might be a good choice
05:43<Echoz>since you pay per hour, and i'm assuming this storage is very temporary
05:44<itd>futurama140: how fast is your uplink?
05:44<SKYRAN>Echoz: I try to find free option
05:45<Echoz>SKYRAN: you can get $10 of free credits if you get a referral link, so that essentially gives you a simple VPS with 500GB of storage for a little less than a week
05:46<Echoz>$0.081 per hour for that, or $0.044 for 250G
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05:47<SKYRAN>Echoz: not good. multiple MEGA account is better.
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05:47<SKYRAN>Echoz: It have software for sync
05:47<SKYRAN>Echoz: and ENCRYPTED
05:48<Echoz>SKYRAN: that's all in debian already
05:49<futurama140>backup is a totally moot point at this juncture, the upgrade has already been initiated for the past... hour?
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05:51<annadane>yeah, feels that way
05:52<futurama140>51% upgrade
05:53<futurama140>i just realized my VPN is still on
05:54<user01>hey i was wondering if anyone runs Perl in Debian -- and what the best way is to manage a user environment with cpanm . . . so for the user should I run cpan App::cpanminus and select bootstrapping the local::lib, or should I just find the packages as root and install system wide?
05:54<SKYRAN>futurama140: anything working. the problem is it MAY interrupt next time you turn it on.
05:54<annadane>i'm going to afk for like 10 minutes
05:54<futurama140>annadane: duly noted.
05:56<futurama140>i'm up about... 5 hours past my bed time, gonna lay back for a few minutes while sipping some coffee, try to sty awake through the upgrade, so i'll essentially be AFK as well
05:56<SKYRAN>futurama140: :)
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05:59<itd>user01: Why wouldn't you want to use a package?
06:00<user01>itd, the naming systems are different between cpan and debian
06:01<user01>itd, and tools like perlbrew allow users to run different versions of perl locally
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06:04<itd>user01: Do you need that? (Or: What are your requirements?) :)
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06:07<futurama140>hey what does the W: tag mean in the terminal output?
06:07<itd>futurama140: Depends on the context, but probably a warning.
06:08<futurama140>itd: just gout about 50 of those saying "possible missing firmware"
06:08<user01>itd, it would be nice to test against different versions of perl
06:08<user01>itd, and test new features in bleading
06:09<SKYRAN>futurama140: Warning
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06:10<SKYRAN>futurama140: I said give me the output of lspci
06:10<SKYRAN>to check hardware compatibility
06:11<itd>futurama140: as SKYRAN said the output of `lspci -nn`, please.
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06:11<itd>user01: Sounds like you need something user managed.
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06:13<user01>itd, right perlbrew
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06:17<futurama140>SKYRAN: finished the thing, rebooting now, be back in a minute hopefully
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06:19<SKYRAN>wish get back.
06:19<annadane>i wonder if it would have been better to get rid of sid packages first, looking back on it
06:19<annadane>i hope we haven't condemned him to a broken computer
06:20<SKYRAN>annadane: I don't know only WISH
06:20<SKYRAN>3 min pass
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06:22<SKYRAN>annadane: NO SIGN!
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06:25<SKYRAN>annadane: you do good job. I think he have wifi problem and I think he should install some extra package relate to wifi for new kernel.
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06:27<annadane>i mean not only did he have sid installed but the deb-sc lines were commented out
06:28<annadane>anything could have broken his system
06:28<SKYRAN>annadane: deb-src not important
06:28<SKYRAN>annadane: It point source of package
06:29<SKYRAN>annadane: He should listen and don't reboot his computer. that's the key.
06:29<annadane>it was me who suggested rebooting >_>
06:30<annadane>though i did say "wait until we're done discussing data backups"
06:30<annadane>idk
06:30<annadane>i probably could have handled things better
06:30<SKYRAN>annadane: after installing kernel it need new firmware. I say lspci but don't listen
06:30<SKYRAN>annadane: no, you do great job
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06:33<SKYRAN>annadane: amusing to see you all great people. Okay bye.
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06:51<itd_>futurama140: wb!
06:51<jm_>heh
06:51<futurama140>OH GOOD this is the right one.
06:52<futurama140>i was in the freenode #debian wondering where everyone wqas
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06:52<futurama140>apparently the only useful package autoremove got rid of was my xchat, which i cannot seem to get re-installed
06:53<itd_>dpkg: xchat
06:53<dpkg>XChat is a graphical <IRC> client similar to AmIRC. http://xchat.org/faq/ http://xchatdata.net/Using/FAQ http://xchat.org/ #xchat on irc.freenode.net. XChat hasn't been developed for a few years and is succeeded by <hexchat>.
06:53<itd_>futurama140: ^
06:53<futurama140>indeed. good to know.
06:54<futurama140>I think I'll just try and stick with pidgin... seems to work... passably
06:54<futurama140>annadane: SKYRAN: Y'all still here?
06:55<itd_>futurama140: no, both gone.
06:55<futurama140>Too bad, I wanted to thank them again for their help
06:55<jm_>yeah just use hexchat instead
06:57<futurama140>ok, well i think it's time for some sleep, the curse of the caffeine tolerant, and those who lack amphetamines. I appreciate everyone's help greatly in helping me kludge together this fix for my mistake, and even more greatly appreciate all y'all not getting snarky like the shits I've been trying to deal with on stack exchange.
06:58<itd_>futurama140: good night. :)
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07:19<itd_>annadane: futurama140 was back some minutes ago. ;)
07:19<annadane>oh, good
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07:36<annadane>anyone know how to make the file box thing - like if i go to libreoffice writer and choose file > open - single click on open in xfce?
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07:44<annadane>*single click to open
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07:50<annadane>hmm, think i figured it out
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08:13<Echoz>annadane: do you mean in a script?
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08:13<annadane>whichever way works... i think i can probably change it in the settings editor
08:14<Echoz>oh, wait, now I think I get your question, you want a single click on a file to open it as if it were a double click?
08:14<annadane>yeah, sorry
08:14<annadane>badly worded question
08:16<Echoz>to be honest, I'm not sure if it's possible. that file picker doesn't have a lot of features and doesn't seem very actively developed
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08:16<Echoz>people have been asking for years for thumbnails in it for instance, yet no change
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08:17<Echoz>of course i'm now under the assumption that you already have single click to open enabled elsewhere
08:17<annadane>well, i'm just trying to see where to find it in the settings editor or elsewhere so i can attempt a fix
08:17<annadane>yeah, i do have it open elsewhere
08:17<annadane>enabled elsewhere*
08:18<Echoz>perhaps here /desktop/gnome/peripherals/mouse/
08:18<Echoz>not sure if it's still called gnome when you're using xfce, however
08:18<annadane>yeah it's not and there's no similar thing for it, either
08:20<annadane>maybe another window manager would do the trick
08:20<annadane>that seems most simple
08:21<Echoz>annadane: the window manager shouldn't matter, i believe the file picker is defined by the gtk library the applicaton in question is linked to
08:21<annadane>ah well, i'll figure it out eventually
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08:28<Echoz>I was only able to test the zenity file picker over ssh, but it doesn't work for me either after setting to single click in gnome
08:29<annadane>it's really bizarre how it's not in mouse settings, or there's no "single click for everything"
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08:30<Echoz>I think that's what it's supposed to be, but applications have to respect the rule and not just hard code their own double click
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08:31<Echoz>it's too bad about that file picker, it really seems half assed, and has been that way for as long as i can remember it existing
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09:27<bb>?
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09:28<bb>有人么
09:28<bb>有人没有呀
09:28<tomcres>!zh
09:28<dpkg>如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助,請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道,連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明,或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作!
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09:33<bb>有没有谁告诉我flashplay怎么装?
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09:35<Gabriel_7>!zh
09:35<dpkg>如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助,請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道,連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明,或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作!
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09:49<emmanuel>hi, i need help cloning my linux installation unto a usb
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09:50<emmanuel>used "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb" to do the copying, but after running "grub-install /dev/sdb", my machine does not detect the usb as bootable
09:51<emmanuel>anyone to aid?
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09:53<emmanuel>anyone to aid?
09:54<annadane>be patient
09:54<emmanuel>ok
09:54<annadane>someone will get around to it
09:54<emmanuel>thanks
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09:54<annadane>and if no one does you can ask on http://forums.debian.net/
09:56<petn-randall>emmanuel: If you clone the complete disk to another, you don't need to run grub-install.
09:56<petn-randall>emmanuel: Are you copying the system you're booted into?
09:56<emmanuel>yes
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09:56<petn-randall>emmanuel: That doesn't work, the copy will be corrupted.
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09:57<petn-randall>emmanuel: You need to boot from a live system to copy that OS.
09:57<petn-randall>emmanuel: Which release are you running?
09:57<emmanuel>jessie 8.0
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09:58<emmanuel>would the cloning work if i run dd from the grub rescue mode?
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09:58<akkus>gfb
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10:47<Pari>Yo?
10:48<petn-randall>Pari: ...ghurt?
10:50<Pari>Anyone want to play farmville with me?
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10:56<Pari>Am I the only one here confused? 0_0
10:57<mtn>Pari: do you have a debian support question?
10:57<somiaj>Pari: this is a support channel, you won't get responses to offtopic chatter, and if you cause to much offtopic noise you can get banned.
10:58<Pari>Ohh okay
10:58<Pari>Sorry I am new here
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12:20<ap4lmtree>stretch rc2 is still called stretch in the apt-get repos, right
12:21<somiaj>the 'rc2', etc is for the installer not the release
12:21<somiaj>(or proposed releasE)
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12:22<ap4lmtree>so i can keep stretch in my apt-get sources files and not have to update it to stretch2 or something
12:23<somiaj>correct, keep stretch in your sources.list and you will over time get all the bug fixes that will happen during the freeze by normal apt-get upgrades
12:23<ap4lmtree>thanks
12:23<ap4lmtree>i use stretch instead of jessie because stretch has better skylake support
12:24<somiaj>with stretch stabalizing the biggest draw back is no timely security support
12:24<somiaj>(there are some rc-bugs floating around, but over all these are few compared to the number of packages in debian)
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12:34<luis_>Hello people, I'm having a bit of an issue understanding why can't I install a .deb package.
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12:36<luis_>It requests as a dependency libfoo>=version1 and at the same time libfoo<=version2, and I have both dependencies met, but the system says I only met one.
12:37<mtn>luis_: which version of debian and where is the package coming from?
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12:38<luis_>mtn: It's Debian Stable, alas the package is an archived package that was generated for Ubuntu Precise IINM.
12:39<luis_>I'm less interested in actually installing the package and more interested in understanding why the package appears to be wrong and if it actually is.
12:39<mtn>luis_: then it may or may not even work on debian. you will have to figure out the dependencies. not supported to use ubuntu packages in debian.
12:40<luis_>mtn: i get that part. What I'm trying to figure out is the apt / aptitude output, if I'm reading it right or if I'm missing something tremendously obvious.
12:41<luis_>The output basically mentions dependency libgtkhtml3.14-19 >= 3.30 and at the same time libgtkhtml3.14-19 < 3.33; I have 3.32, so *in theory* it should meet both, but it only meets one.
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12:42<hubot>Hi!
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12:46<somiaj>,v libgtkhtml3.14-19
12:46<judd>Package: libgtkhtml3.14-19 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.32.2-2.1; jessie: 3.32.2-2.2
12:47<somiaj>luis_: what is the exact error you get? from the dpkg -i command
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13:13<luis_>somiaj: sorry, was on lunchtime. The dpkg -i output is http://pastebin.com/P7RueGaE
13:14<luis_>Strangely enough, the second (converse) dependency is not mentioned unless I try to install via apt / aptitude
13:14<somiaj>note that 1: there, that is an epoch, that makes it automatically greater than any version that doesn't have an epoch
13:14<somiaj>which is one of the many things you can encounter when trying to install a package not built for debian
13:15<luis_>Epoch?
13:15<somiaj>!epoch
13:15<dpkg>[epoch] a fixed point in a chronology or the start of an era. For example, y2k was a 2 digit year epoch. In Unix, epoch often refers to the time from which seconds are counted; epoch was is Jan 1 1970 and we will run out of 32 bit numbers for this on Jan 18 2038 (by which time we will have hopefully all migrated to 64-bit architectures). An epoch can also be used to help manage version numbering in Debian; ask me about <version epoch>.
13:15<somiaj>!version epoch
13:15<dpkg>The version number of a package has a prepended number called the "epoch". It is only added when the system for upstream version numbers changes. Example: in sarge, X was version 6.8 but in etch it was 1.1 (xfree86->xorg). But 1 < 6, so we add an epoch "2:" to signify that everything with 2: is newer (if there is no : the epoch is assumed to be "0"). See section 5.6.12 of <policy> or ask me about <compare versions> <debian revision>.
13:15<somiaj>these get added to versions for various reasons
13:15<luis_>....Ooooh, that makes sense. So I meet the version dependency but not the "chronology" dependency?
13:16<somiaj>somethig like that, there may be some reason ubuntu or whatever has an epoch that debian does not
13:16<somiaj>but their build depends on a package with that epoch
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13:17<luis_>I see. Hmmm.
13:18<luis_>That gives me some idea of where to go next, so that's something.
13:18<somiaj>if you can get the sources, sometimes it is better to build your own package against jessie libs than use the binary
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13:18<somiaj>this means you can also modify that epoch if you think it is not needed and it still gets used
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13:20<luis_>Alas the package is from an archive, so there's no sources. But given all other dependencies pass o-k, I will try to see if there are notable differences between the Debian dep and the Ubuntu dep.
13:20<luis_>That gives me an excuse to learn a bit more of debian packaging format too.
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14:34<dtcrshr>hello everyone. I installed debian 8.7 on my notebook today, and Im strugling trying to setup the nvidia to work. I have a gt555m (optimus) card
14:35<dtcrshr>I tried most of the possibilities on the wiki https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_8_.22Jessie.22
14:35<dtcrshr>and also the .run downloadable from nvidia (which was the latest 367.x)
14:35<dtcrshr>also installed bumblebee, and setup xorg many times, but yet still I cannot have my window manager back online
14:36<dtcrshr>before completly reinstalling debian, I wanted to ask if there is any other way or: to rollback to use the regular nvidia driver that was after the clean install
14:36<dtcrshr>or install effectively the nvidia driver on my enviromnent. Can anyone help me?
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14:37<blast007>dtcrshr: you should not use the .run from nvidia
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14:37<dtcrshr>yes.. was kinda of one of the last tries
14:37<dtcrshr>since none worked
14:38<blast007>dtcrshr: so you tried the drivers from jessie-backports?
14:39<dtcrshr>yes
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14:39<dtcrshr>I followed the instructions on the link above
14:40<blast007>did you also use the bumblebee-nvidia and primus from jessie-backports?
14:40<dtcrshr>apt install -t jessie-backports linux-headers ... and nvidia-driver
14:40<dtcrshr>hmm no, just the suggested on the wiki
14:40<dtcrshr>ill try again calling for bumblebee from jessie
14:41<blast007>they do both appear to be in backports, so that might be the missing piece of the puzzle (or at least one of them) :)
14:41<dtcrshr>oh yeah, could be that. Ill give it a shot
14:42<dtcrshr>just to confirm, I just need to point up to this: apt-get install -t jessie-backports bumblebee-nvidia nvidia-driver linux-headers-(my uname version)
14:42<blast007>also, do you have an xorg.conf (or Xorg.conf? I forget the capitalization) in your /etc/X11/ directory?
14:42<blast007>not necessarily the headers, unless you're also using a backports kernel
14:43<dtcrshr>no, not using older kernel
14:43<dtcrshr>yes, its still there, but I moved it to xorg.conf.old
14:43<dtcrshr>it still has the nvidia driver on device section
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14:44<blast007>yeah, it says for Optimus systems you don't want an xorg.conf
14:44<ompaul>Add jessie-backports to your /etc/apt/sources.list, for example:
14:44<ompaul>that must be done first
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14:45<blast007>there is an nvidia-installer-cleanup package that can help remove the drivers you installed from nVidia
14:46<dtcrshr>hmm ill install this cleanup first then
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14:46<dtcrshr>yes, I already added the backports to my sources list
14:46<blast007>you might also want to install primus in addition to the other stuff you mentioned above
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14:52<dtcrshr>Ill try that, ill come back with results
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14:59<dtcrshr>:D
14:59<dtcrshr>well, after installing pointing to the bumblebee-nvidia primus nvidia-driver from backports, and removing the xorg.conf file I got the lightdm back
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15:10<dtcrshr>thanks blast007 for the tips
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15:12<blast007>dtcrshr: yay
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15:38<Quibus>Hi, does someone here have experience installing WordPress on localhost?
15:38<Quibus>I followed the installation instructions, but I'm not sure how to proceed
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15:41<doubledutch>Quibus: Why not Jekyll or Octopress
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15:41<doubledutch>WordPress, in my experience, has always been a pain
15:41<Quibus>doubledutch: because it is not my choice :-)
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15:42<elg75_>Hello all you nice people. :)
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15:43<elg75_>I'm looking to learn more about my debian pc.
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15:44<retrospectacus>Quibus: what's the problem
15:44<retrospectacus>elg75_: hello
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15:44<elg75_>looking for assistance getting the (l)AMP configurations setup and tested.
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15:45<elg75_>I'm new to this webchat environment.
15:45<elg75_>Hello.
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15:47<retrospectacus>well, you ask a detailed question, wait one second or a few hours, and someone might answer.
15:48<dtcrshr>blast007: well, after sucessfully installed the driver, and some 32 bits dependencies to run steam, do you think I should commend the line on sources list pointing to jessie backports, or I can just leave it there?
15:48<elg75_>I see. that sounds fair.
15:48<blast007>you'd want to leave backports enabled as long as you have packages from backports installed
15:49<dtcrshr>oh, ok
15:49<dtcrshr>ill leave it here then
15:49<dtcrshr>thanks again
15:49<blast007>have fun :)
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15:56<elg75_>allrighty then: I have a debian 8 box with a weather reporting package (weewx) installed...also has Apache2, Mysql and Php (lamp)...I'm in process of testing the packages (phpinfo?) and getting Mysql root pwd set and functioning.
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15:57<elg75_>I have tried several tutorials without much joy- they always change the playing field. This is just a home/web server that I am wanting to build and learn from at same time.
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16:10<retrospectacus>elg75_: and what is your question?
16:10<Raku>Hey somiaj
16:11<elg75_>where and who can suggest what to do next?
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16:14<retrospectacus>elg75_: Ask a much more detailed question like "I get 403 Forbidden when I navigate to localhost/weewx and the log says ... here is my apache.conf and directory permissions http://paste.debian.net/... and I am following this tut http://..."
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16:16<elg75_>Right- thanks much.
16:16<grummund>On inactivity gnome goes back to gdm login screen, does anyone know if xfce can do the same?
16:17<grummund>i.e. no screensaver
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16:20<pillo>hello
16:20<pillo>i have an issue with my nvidia driver
16:21<pillo>"nvidia driver is already registered"
16:22<doubledutch>pillo, which method did you use to set up your nVidia drivers?
16:22<pillo>debian packages
16:22<pillo>legacy version
16:22<doubledutch>You're using Debian Stable?
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16:23<doubledutch>I wish I could help, my experience is with regard to #debian-next where I use the package sgfxi
16:23<doubledutch>or... smxi script rather. This is not supported here. Please try #debian-next
16:23<pillo>thks
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16:25<Quibus>retrospectacus: oh, I just saw your question :) The problem is that I did what the README suggested, and now I don't know how I get to see the WP site.
16:26<Quibus>retrospectacus: it's not on http://localhost/wp-content or something
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16:36<Eria>hi
16:36<Eria>i need help
16:36<Eria>with the instalation of parrot xd
16:36<Eria>im new in the linux world
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16:36<retrospectacus>Eria: this is #debian, we do not support parrot. You should install Debian instead
16:37<retrospectacus>or locate a parrot channel
16:37<Eria>ohh sorry
16:37<Eria>thanks
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17:41<Raku>https://gist.github.com/raku-cat/aaf9cd747a96f903c101cf8123b5f9dd Okay so I have this mostly fixed up
17:42<Raku>I deleted /etc/init.d/supervise and cleared /etc/X11/default-display-manager
17:42<Raku>Still don't know why it's starting the acpi daemon a bunch though
17:43<Raku>What I did figure out is that it only generates those messages in dmesg whenever I do a systemctl operation(enable/disable a service)
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17:46<grummund>How to get a screen locker in xfce? light-locker is installed but appears not working, does it need xscreensaver also?
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17:49<Raku>The acpi daemon startup message seems fairly normal so google isn't much help cause it just shows logs of people having unrelated problems
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17:55<kolden>I wish to hold a package from being automatically upgraded with "apt full-upgrade", but I also want to know when the package has an available update, preferrably with "apt list --upgradable". How can I accomplish this?
17:55<somiaj>!hold
17:55<dpkg>hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771 (fixed in stretch). See also <hold list>, <unhold>.
17:56<somiaj>if you use those methods to hold, or even apt-mark hold, apt will still tell you a list of packages it didn't upgrade
17:56<somiaj>so if apt can upgrade a package but for some reason cant (such as it is held) it will give you a list each time you run an upgrade command
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17:57<kolden>somiaj: ah, thank you. I thought apt-mark hold made it hidden from apt list --upgradable, but then everything is perfect :)
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17:58<Raku>I think I'm the only person on the internet with this problem, I'm convinced even
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18:00<somiaj>what does systemctl status acpid or journalctl say about what is going on
18:00<somiaj>systemd will restart services that die, maybe you can see why it died in the log and systemd is just restarting it
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18:02<Raku>somiaj, systemctl status says it's been running for 2 weeks(since server last rebooted)
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18:03<somiaj>but the logs it outputs (try using -l -n 100 to get more info) don't say that it died, was started again
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18:04<somiaj>i.e. the service is probably going to state the time the service was initial started, but inside the logs might state why it is restarting the service, or maybe indiciate why it was being killed
18:04<Raku>systemctl status acpid -l -n 100 yes?
18:04<somiaj>yes
18:04<Quibus>good night
18:04<somiaj>journalctl acpid might also help
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18:04<Raku>I'm just looking through journalctl right now, jesus christ ipv6 addresses git withdrawn and renewed a lot
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18:06<Raku>somiaj, https://paste.debian.net/912572/
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18:08<Raku>And then `journalctl acpid` says "Failed to add match 'acpid': Invalid argument
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18:26<alyssa>I just want ot say "thank you" to whomever implement the apt feature where it warns you before removing essential packages.
18:26<alyssa>Saved me from bricking my system *more* than once in the last week o_O
18:26<alyssa>(Pretty sure it's a newish feature, because I've done that before...)
18:29<abrotman>been there for a while
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18:29<alyssa>abrotman: mmk. still <3
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18:34<juan>hola
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18:35<Guest2248>quien me enseña por favor a usar john
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18:41<alyssa>Guest2202: probablamente quieres preguntarlo en el canal #debian-es
18:42<alyssa>*probablemente
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19:17<ckosloff>Iam runnig into a weird problem, which may sound crazy. There is a sub-directory in my local system, when I type i the parent directory ls -al I can see it. but when I type as root cd into that directory it cannot find it.
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19:25<noncode>hi
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19:49<ClaireGetz>Hello?
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19:53<aa>请问下里面有人没有/
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20:15<rhiamom>Just downloaded the torbrowser package using Synaptic. When I ran it, it went to do the download, but I get a signature failure, saying I might be under attack or it is just a glitch in the download. tried downloading again, same problem.
20:16<sney>,v torbrowser
20:16<judd>No package named 'torbrowser' was found in amd64.
20:16<sney>rhiamom: where did that come from
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20:21<rhiamom>sorry, torbrowser-launcher
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20:23<sney>,v torbrowser-launcher
20:23<judd>Package: torbrowser-launcher on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3; jessie-backports/contrib: 0.2.6-2~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib: 0.2.6-3; sid/contrib: 0.2.6-3
20:23<sney>rhiamom: you may want to use the one from jessie-backports if it's complaining about a signature mismatch with its upstream thing
20:23<rhiamom>hmm
20:24<rhiamom>How do I get the one from Jessie backports? I have backports in my repo list
20:25<sney>apt-get -t jessie-backports install torbrowser-launcher
20:25<rhiamom>thank you, sney, trying that now
20:27<rhiamom>same failure
20:28<sney>pastebin the error please
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20:33<rhiamom>pastebin url?
20:36<rhiamom>it is not a text message, it is a popup dialog box
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20:42<rhiamom>SIGNATURE VERIFICATION FAILED You might be under attack, or there might just be a networking problem. Click Start try the download again.
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21:17<noncode>hi, does anyone how is called the packege who contains the certs?
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21:19<reda_>hi
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21:19<reda_>i need some help
21:19<noncode>hi reda_
21:20<reda_>i need to hack a facebook account
21:20<reda_>i think that my girlfriend is cheating on me
21:20<Guest2260>noncode, do you mean ca-certificates?
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21:22<noncode>Guest2260
21:22<noncode>yeah
21:22<noncode>i think so
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21:23<noncode>i cant find the dev (?)
21:23<noncode>package
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21:25<noncode>ive have already intalled the ca-certificates package
21:25<reda_>please help me
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21:26<noncode>first time i have this problem
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21:26<noncode>with fakeroot and kernel-package use to be ok to compile
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21:27<reda_>help
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21:57<Raku>somiaj, I noticed in the status acpid was disabled(though still running), tried enabling it
21:57<Raku>No dice, still spams dmesg
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22:00<Fenhl>hello, I am trying to install the upgrades for all packages, but am seeing “have been kept back” for 2 packages https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/hoc4WJOx/
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22:00<Fenhl>any ideas?
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22:02<Raku>Fenhl, Try manually upgrading them
22:02<Raku>sudo apt-get upgrade <pkg name>
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22:04<Fenhl>Raku: I'm not sure what to make of these error messages https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/EOL6cQhB/
22:04<Fenhl>Raku: or rather, why ca-certificates-java “is not going to be installed”
22:05<Raku>Try to install ca-certificates-java
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22:05<Fenhl>already the newest versino
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22:08<noncode>im having problems with ca-certificates too
22:10<noncode>i can't compile the kernel
22:10<noncode>don't know why
22:10<awal1>Fenhl, such problems usually doesn't happen when under stable
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22:10<noncode>im running testing
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22:10<Fenhl>I'm on stable but I have backports for …something
22:11<noncode>Fenhl: what kind of problem are you having?
22:11<Fenhl>oh right, certbot
22:11<awal1>testing ----» #debian-next on OFTC
22:11<Fenhl>awal1: is backports considered testing?
22:12<awal1>no
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22:14<awal1>just use aptitude why-not pkgname and you'll find why they are kept back
22:14<Fenhl>so I don't really know much about how APT works but maybe there's a version conflict of some sort since certbot wants the ca-certificates-java from jessie-backports but the openjdk packages want the stable one?
22:14<Fenhl>ah
22:14<awal1>or when using aptitude full-upgrade
22:16<Fenhl>I usually run `apt-get dist-upgrade` instead of aptitude but aptitude is now offering to remove all 3 packages
22:16<somiaj>Raku: services can be both run by enabling/disabling at boot, or can be triggered by a .socket unit file, maybe something is triggering the acpid.socket trying to run, you can try to invesigate that.
22:16<Fenhl>which seems …counterproductive
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22:17<Raku>somiaj, How would I go down that path?
22:18<somiaj>Raku: I'm still a systemd novice, I just know about sockets. If you aren't using acpid you can mask the service. It won't run after that, but then you may not have any of the power savings features of apcid
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22:18<awal1>Fenhl, with-new-pkgs works in conjunction with upgrade, almost, not and it have no sense with dist-upgrade
22:19<Fenhl>awal1: why-not says unable to find a reason to remove the two openjdk packages, but for ca-certificates-java I'm getting the following output: http://paste.debian.net/912596/
22:19<somiaj>Fenhl: jessie-backports is pinned in such a way that packages will not be installed from jessie-backports by default (for good reason, these packges have far less quality control and testing). due to this you have to manually tell apt when you want to install packages from that repo with -t jessie-backports
22:19<somiaj>,v ca-certificates-java
22:19<judd>Package: ca-certificates-java on amd64 -- wheezy: 20121112+nmu2; jessie: 20140324; stretch: 20160321; jessie-backports: 20161107~bpo8+1; sid: 20161107; stretch: 20161107
22:20<Fenhl>somiaj: right, and the only package for which I did that is certbot
22:20<somiaj>Fenhl: apt-get -t jessie-backports install ca-certificates-java
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22:20<somiaj>Fenhl: in this case you are using java 8 from backports, so you should also use the ca-certificiates-java for it.
22:21<somiaj>Fenhl: oh nevermind, those packages for java 8 seem to be removed? did you remove them?
22:21<somiaj>maybe purge them so the config files aren't sitting around anymore
22:22<Raku>somiaj, I think I may have found something
22:23<Raku>https://paste.debian.net/912597/
22:23<Fenhl>this backports stuff is really annoying, I hope it will be possible to fix all of this in stretch
22:24<Raku>Right so I'm just doing systemctl enable acpid to make the dmesg stuff come up again(any systemd operation like that does it)
22:24<Fenhl>somiaj: I'm not sure?
22:24<Raku>That makes these lines come up, specifically three times like that
22:25<somiaj>Fenhl: take s tep back and descirbe what your actual issue is again, I kinda missed it
22:26<Fenhl>somiaj: I think installing ca-certificates-java from backports as you suggested fixed it
22:27<Fenhl>my issue was that apt-get was reporting the 2 packages not upgraded
22:28<somiaj>yea upgrades with backports still need some work imo, but they work fairly well. Issue is packages will be updated from backports only if you have an installed version from backports
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22:28<somiaj>so it sounds like one of your packages in backports had a new backport dependcy added to it, apt won't install (even with dist-upgrade) these new packages from backports without explicit instruction to do so
22:29<Raku>This new log I found does not seem to really help with googling
22:29<somiaj>and never use -t jessie-backports in a dist-upgrade
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22:29<somiaj>Raku: you have services being reloaded a lot, I don't know why, but something is triggering these to keep reloading. Did you ever track down why that unknown directory was in your system in /etc/init.d?
22:30<Raku>Nope
22:30<Raku>I just deleted it
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22:30<Raku>The files and the directory all had timestamps from 2015, so
22:30<Raku>It hasn't seemed to cause any problems
22:31<somiaj>random stuff on your system you dont' know about could be a sign of a compermise, maybe what you need is a backup, fresh install and make sure to double check anything you backup/copy back to ensure it is clean.
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22:31<Raku>Doubtful
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23:39<hithere>hi people, been struggling with getting nvidia-driver working for a loooong time now would really appreciate some guidance. debian8 jessie-backports, installs fine but when restart still on noveau
23:40<hithere>just did a fresh install ready to try again with
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23:41<hithere>graphics card is a gtx960
23:42<hithere>have had it working on arch
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23:50<hithere>any ideas where is good to go for help on this?
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