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---Logopened Fri Feb 03 00:00:29 2017
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00:05<somiaj>!nvidia dkms
00:05<dpkg>For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
00:05<somiaj>hithere: did you create that 4 line files /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf and blacklist nouveau (though usually this is done when you install the nvidia-kernel-dkms package)
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00:07<hithere>i did these things yes. i am using a hdmi tv as my output, and i also have an integrated graphics card. i am reading maybe something about nvidia not having the right screen?
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00:09<somiaj>so you have two graphics cards, are they both plugged in?
00:09<somiaj>you may need to add more info to the 20-nvidia.conf file one second
00:10<hithere>sorry, one is intel integrated
00:10<somiaj>hithere: this is an actual seperate nvidia card (not like a laptop with optimus)
00:10<hithere>nvidia gtx960 card
00:11<somiaj>You might need to add the BusID "PCI:1:0:0" to point to the correct pci bus for the card
00:11<somiaj>also are you positive the backports version supports that card/
00:11<somiaj>,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
00:11<judd>Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.101-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.101-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 375.26-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 375.26-1; sid/non-free: 375.26-2
00:11<somiaj>oh yea, 375.26 will
00:12<somiaj>anyways since you have multiple cards you may need to add some more info to that config snippet to tell it what card to actually use, also check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file to see what is beign detected and why
00:12<hithere>depending on how i mess with xconfig i either get a black screen with flicking cursor in top left (i believe this means it installed correctly but it has the wrong display pointed)
00:12<hithere>or just noveau
00:12<somiaj>nouveau should be black listed, did you check that it actually is and the nouveau (lsmod | grep nouveau) is not loaded
00:12<somiaj>also check if the nvidia module is loaded
00:12<hithere>i believe when noveau is blacklisted is when i get the blank screen and flicking cursor
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00:14<hithere>but i still have tty access in that state
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00:17<somiaj>I would disable the display manager make sure you boot up into a tty with the nvidia module then just use startx to play around with configuring xorg correctly
00:18<hithere>alright thanks will try that. i believe last time i got to that point and xorg-config was saying there are not enough screens
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00:18<hithere>but i don't really know how to identify a display or how to point a hardware device to it etc
00:20<somiaj>you could use pastebinit and paste your config file and Xorg.0.log file
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00:25<hithere>wow, its worked
00:25<hithere>i don't know what i did differently but thank you anyway you're all beautiful people and i love you
00:25<hithere>been working on this for months literally
00:28<hithere>ciao tyvm
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02:19<annadane>so really basic question, can you install deb files if they don't belong to a repository?
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02:21<okraits>yes, with dpkg -i, if you have them locally
02:21<somiaj>you can install .deb packages with dpkg, but this could error out due to dependencies if you don't have them installed and may not be installable if it wasn't built for your system.
02:22<somiaj>provided you can install the dependencies from the repo, if dpkg -i fails, apt-get -f install can fix it
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02:27<annadane>i get kind of leery of "just installing .deb files" because if it's not from an official repo i can't trust its security
02:28<somiaj>well can and should are two different things. Also if the .deb wasn't built for the debian release you are using it may not install anyways
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05:49<baster2010>hi
05:50<joe03>Hi, I have an issue with nfs4 idmaping. I use a Debian 7 as server and Debian 8 as client. When I reboot the client, almost all ids (uid and gid) are set to 4294967294. If I run 'nfsidmap -c' as root, all ids/names are set correct immediately. If I do not run this command, it takes about 10 minutes to get the right ids/names. I think there is a timeout. How can I make it work immediately?
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06:29<baster2010>im not sure i its the right place for this question
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06:31<baster2010>how can i Create a New User with home dir set to /var/www/html and no ssh login
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06:39<joe03>'man useradd' take a look at then '-d' option. ssh should always use pubkeys, so just do not place the users pubkey on the server.
06:39<pipedream>adduser --home /var/www/html --shell /bin/false
06:39<pipedream>--disabled-login
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06:41<jm_>why in the world would you create such a user?
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06:43<baster2010>thank you
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06:44<baster2010>i whant to create a user for vsftpd to mange my files
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06:45<petn-randall>baster2010: Why not use a secure protocol like sftp?
06:45<petn-randall>!ftp must die
06:45<dpkg>FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html
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06:51<baster2010>jm_ to upload Download edit my hompage I know that it is not the best solution
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06:53<jm_>baster2010: why not simply use ~/public_html?
06:53<normala>yes
06:53<normala>is know
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06:58<joe03>Hi, I have an issue with nfs4 idmaping. I use a Debian 7 as server and Debian 8 as client. When I reboot the client, almost all ids (uid and gid) are set to 4294967294. If I run 'nfsidmap -c' as root, all ids/names are set correct immediately. If I do not run this command, it takes about 10 minutes to get the right ids/names. I think there is a timeout. How can I make it work immediately?
06:59<baster2010>jim_ you mean to link /var/www/html in ~/public_html?
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07:12<jm_>baster2010: if you mean me, no, why not simply keep it in user's home dir?
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07:16<baster2010>hmm you mean to make a new dir in my home dir and make a symlink
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07:19<jm_>well userdir apache module uses ~/public_html by default, but you can change the name
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07:42<baster2010>jm i use nginx as server
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07:48<jm_>baster2010: I'd give you a link to their wiki but can't find it there so http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/126745/set-up-nginx-to-serve-files-from-subdirectories/126746
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07:50<kogofe>Workaround for this mess? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=851667
07:50<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/851667 in openjdk-8-jre-headless (closed, patch, security): «openjdk-8-jre-headless needs Breaks: ca-certificates-java (<< 20160321~)»; severity: serious; opened: 2017-01-17; last modified: 2017-02-03.
07:52<themill>kogofe: a real problem statement would be better ... real commands and real output?
07:52<themill>!bat
07:52<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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08:32<theta3>for skylake support, is jessie-backports required, as the bot snippet says? or was skylake support already backported to jessie 8.7.1?
08:33<theta3>!skylake
08:33<dpkg>an <intel-gfx> chipset requiring firmware. For jessie support, enable <backports> and <non-free sources>, then install <bpo kernel>, xserver-xorg-video-intel and firmware-misc-nonfree from jessie-backports.
08:33<itd>theta3: Yes. No.
08:34<theta3>itd: thanks
08:36<prixtis>!kaby lake
08:36<prixtis>i guess the same goes for kaby?
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08:36<prixtis>!kabylake
08:37<btaylor>any ideas as to why openjdk-8-jre-headless from jessie-backports stopped installing ca-certificates-java automatically as a dependency all of a sudden??
08:37<btaylor>-?
08:37<itd>btaylor: maybe bug 851667
08:38<itd>judd: bug 851667
08:38<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/851667 in openjdk-8-jre-headless (closed, patch, security): «openjdk-8-jre-headless needs Breaks: ca-certificates-java (<< 20160321~)»; severity: serious; opened: 2017-01-17; last modified: 2017-02-03.
08:38<btaylor>sigh.
08:38<themill>!bat
08:38<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
08:38<themill>btaylor: ^^ real output would be good to see
08:39<btaylor>themill: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
08:39<btaylor> openjdk-8-jre-headless : Depends: ca-certificates-java but it is not going to be installed
08:39<themill>please read..
08:39<btaylor>looks like it is that bug
08:39<themill>the bts log contains zero information and you've not provided any additional :(
08:39<itd>btaylor: if you want confirmation please follow the instructions of dpkg
08:40<itd>prixtis: Most likely.
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08:51<btaylor>because the bug answered the question?
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08:52<themill>I see no answer in that bug
08:52<btaylor>that’s why its still open
08:52<themill>the bug is closed
08:52<themill>there is no bug....
08:53<jamesmc>If wishes were bugs...
08:54<jamesmc>...I guess there would be more bugs? Or something
08:54<btaylor>well that’s above my pay grade. but it answered my initial question
08:54<themill>btaylor: umm... did you want your problem fixed?
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08:55<btaylor>i’m testing installing ca-certificates-java with -t jessie-backports at the moment
08:55<themill>ah, at last we've established that you are using backports...
08:56<themill>yes, I could have told you 20 min ago that would work
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08:57<btaylor>where else would i get openjdk-8-jre in jessie? and i said backports in my question.
08:57<scootergrisen>Can anyone tell me where does the file /etc/locale.gen comes from? I would like to know where lines like "en_DK.UTF-8 UTF-8" comes from.
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08:57<themill>the output I asked for would have told us that you hadn't isntalled ca-certificates-java from backports
08:58<btaylor>correct. because up until today i never needed to
08:58<btaylor>and that bug explained why i now need to
08:58<jamesmc>scootergrisen: It's generated by "dpkg-reconfigure locales"
08:58<themill>scootergrisen: dpkg-reconfigure locales
08:59<scootergrisen>And where does dpkg-reconfigure locales get them from?
09:00<themill>scootergrisen: the locales maintainer scripts
09:01<scootergrisen>Can you give me a link to it?
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09:01<scootergrisen>I wonder why there are lines with "en_DK".
09:01<scootergrisen>Like we don't speak a special kind og english in denmark
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09:03<themill>scootergrisen: well you don't use imperial units and you don't use US paper sizes, so yes, you do use en_DK
09:03<scootergrisen>No i dont why would you say that i use it?
09:04<jamesmc>scootergrisen: Heh, weird. It's from glibc
09:04<themill>scootergrisen: the locale isn't only about the language. See locale(7)
09:05<themill>!man 7 locale
09:05<dpkg>man 7 locale is probably at http://manpages.debian.org/7/locale , where you can view many Debian man pages. Ask me about <docs> <dmp> <grounding> <search>.
09:05<scootergrisen>We use "da_DK" in denmark.
09:05<themill>not when you're speaking english...
09:05<jamesmc>themill: That's true, but there are many countries where people speak English that don't have a specific locale
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09:05<jamesmc>Heh, random searching found this: http://www.ivoras.net/blog/tree/2010-12-20.the-wonderful-en_dk-locale.html
09:06<themill>there are a stack of strange en_* locales and en_DK is one of the more useful ones
09:07<scootergrisen>themill i have never seen it use any where i think. But if that is the case i guess all languages should have all countries as an option.
09:07<grove>scootergrisen: A lot of danes want their linux to talk english to them, some of them even have good reasons and for them en_DK makes a lot of sense
09:08<jamesmc>I have to make do with en_GB in Norway. Close enough ;)
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09:08<scootergrisen>So why are there not en_SE and en_NO?
09:08<themill>because
09:08<jamesmc>Haha
09:08<themill>no, seriously. No-one is going to thank you
09:09<jamesmc>Mostly there are locales for countries where languages are officially spoken
09:09<jamesmc>I guess someone Danish wanted to solve a specific problem and it caught on
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09:12<scootergrisen>Why not use "da_DK" instead of "en_DK"?
09:12<grove>scootergrisen: If you really want to you can set LANG, LC_COLLATE, LC_CTYPE, LC_TIME, LC_NUMERIC, ... to different values (it quickly becomes very confusing) and achieve mostly the same as xx_YY would give you, only those combinations that somebody has though would be useable to lots of people have been made
09:12<jamesmc>scootergrisen: da_DK exists as well
09:13<grove>scootergrisen: one of the most common arguments is that people want error messages to be in english because that makes them easier to google for
09:13<jamesmc>Possibly if during install you set the country to Denmark and the language to English, it chooses en_DK
09:13<jamesmc>That would make sense
09:13<themill>scootergrisen: they are different. You don't "just use" something that is different.
09:14<jamesmc>I think what scootergrisen is trying to understand is why the setting has been set that way
09:14<jamesmc>Though I could be mistaken
09:14<scootergrisen>No i use da_DK my self
09:14<scootergrisen>I just try to improve translation on linux systems so its better to use in danish
09:15<scootergrisen>And was think of removing en_DK
09:15<jamesmc>Oh, yeah, you can totally remove locales you don't use
09:16<scootergrisen>Yeah but i was think about suggesting getting frem remove from all the linux distributions
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09:17<jamesmc>Oh, haha
09:17<scootergrisen>So there was only da_DK
09:18<themill>yeah, no, noone is going to thank you
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09:18<scootergrisen>I cinnamon when i select language there comes a danish flag for "en_DK" but that does not change the language to danish so maybe a little confusing
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09:18<jamesmc>No, the 'en' part is the language
09:19<annadane>hi, is there a way to view how much of my memory is being used for swap?
09:19<jamesmc>So I would expect it has English language with Danish date and number formatting, DKK for currency, etc
09:19<algomocu>annadane, try the free command
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09:20<annadane>thanks
09:20<grove>I use da_DK (in no small part due to principle), and when I need an error in english because I want to search for it online (or not uncommon: because it's just weird, a lot of the danish translation seems to be produced by somone who had their head up <beeep>) I use "LANG=C" in front, so I wouldn't get affected by removal of en_DK, but considering my assessment of the quality of danish ...
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09:21<grove>... translations, I would recommend you find a better use of your time
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09:23<scootergrisen>So what about en_SE. Don't people want that? And en_* for every contry on the planet to?
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09:24<scootergrisen>grove any translations in particular you dont like the quality of?
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09:28<scootergrisen>What else it en_DK usefull for? Other then the dato things and error messages in english?
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09:29<grove>scootergrisen: I don't remember any right now
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09:31<themill>scootergrisen: it sets lots of things: papersize, collation, currency, telephone numbers,
09:31<scootergrisen>Yeah but people get that with da_DK to
09:31<jamesmc>Yes
09:31<jamesmc>But then everything is in Danish
09:32<jamesmc>So if they want all that, but English, it's made just for their needs
09:32<themill>Including dates and collation
09:33<themill>en_DK is not the same as en_GB and not the same as da_DK. You can't just keep saying "why not use the other one" because they are different.
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09:33<scootergrisen>Just wonder of the advanteages other then english errors messages is easier to search for
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09:35<jamesmc>There's no reason you have to use it if you prefer not to
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09:37<scootergrisen>I'm not talking about me using it but just in general why its there.
09:37<scootergrisen>Like if i want english errors i use LANG=c becfore the command
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09:38<themill>I think we're going around in circles now
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09:41<scootergrisen>Do anyone have link for glibc or where ever "en_DK" originates from?
09:41<grove>scootergrisen: Sometimes a command takes a long time to fail, then re-running it with LANG=C in front is not attractive
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09:42<scootergrisen>Yeash but then perhaps export LANG=c.
09:42<themill>At some point you need to accept that other people find it useful and stop trying to change the world.
09:43<scootergrisen>Yeah but then people would find en_SE and en_NO usefull to
09:43<grawity>scootergrisen: except it's not the same thing http://sprunge.us/ARGb
09:45<grawity>if you want links, see https://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=blob;f=localedata/locales/en_DK;h=351c84b7fa7fcb09ee742d836d5070dae9c7d109;hb=HEAD
09:45<themill>Comparing /usr/share/i18n/locales/en_DK /usr/share/i18n/locales/da_DK would be worthwhile
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09:47<scootergrisen>Thanks
09:47<scootergrisen>I guess en_SE and en_NO would be there to if someone did the work to add them. Like Keld.
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09:49<scootergrisen>But oh my it would be a long en_* list of all counties was added
09:50<scootergrisen>Are there any way to get statistics on how many use en_DK?
09:50*themill would hope not
09:51<scootergrisen>Like how many times en_DK local was downloaded or something
09:51<grawity>they're not downloaded individually
09:51*grawity uses it as $LC_TIME solely for the iso8601 format
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09:58<itd>scootergrisen: glibc uses the locales described by CLDR (see: https://sourceware.org/glibc/wiki/Locales#Qualifications) and version 31 lists en_DK (see: http://www.unicode.org/repos/cldr-aux/charts/31/summary/en.html).
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10:20<scootergrisen>en_SE is there to
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10:44<annadane>is there a log for an install if i tried to install a deb file by clicking on it, not through command prompt?
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10:49<Cegree>normally it should be seen with dpkg -l | grep "Package_name"
10:49<SynrG>annadane: i should think all front-ends would use dpkg at the backend, so there would at least be /var/log/dpkg.log*
10:50<SynrG>Cegree: ? i don't think that's an answer to annadane's question
10:50<annadane>cool, thank you
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10:50<Cegree>Yes sorry I read log after >_<
10:51<SynrG>(besides being an absolutely horrible way to determine if a package is installed or not)
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10:54<annadane>i actually stumbled on that before and forgot i did ^^
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11:11<Cegree>SynrG: btw what should be the best way to check if a package is installed ?
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11:17<SynrG>Cegree: dpkg -l package_name
11:17<SynrG>why would you list them all and grep?
11:17<SynrG>or better:
11:17<SynrG>apt-cache policy package_name
11:18<SynrG>(gives a bit more info if the package is not installed, whereas dpkg is fairly terse; also dpkg's columnar formatting can truncate package names and otherwise looks horrible)
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11:28<Cegree>I would say to be sure to miss no packets :) and I took the habbit to maximize my shell window before executing it, but you're right it's long, and sometimes anoying thanks for the tip !
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11:33<SynrG>also, dpkg -l is dreadfully slow
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11:33<SynrG>if you need something compact and pattern-matching, use aptitude
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11:33<SynrG>Cegree: aptitude search ~ipackage_name
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11:34<Brigo>annadane, yes, you are still using dpkg or aptitude.
11:36<Cegree>Nice one too
11:36<SynrG>Cegree: or ~n if you care about all matching package names, whether installed or not
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12:26<Guest2302>signature verification failed im trying to install tor
12:26<itd_>Guest2302: Hello. Please read what dpkg has to say:
12:26<itd_>!bat
12:26<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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12:52<usuari>help
12:52<itd_>usuari: How?
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12:52<usuari>sorry i try a command help
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12:56<annadane>!ask
12:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:19<Echoz>i think the best way to get help is to paste the output of dmesg in chat
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14:04<futurama140>Excuse me, ladies and gentlefops, but I am having a problem that I wish to inquire about with you who know vastly more than me:
14:04<futurama140>I am trying to run classiccube (a free opensource minecraft classic) and I am getting errors when trying to use either wine or mono, as the official website stated. It refers me to an error log which I have posted here: http://pastebin.com/GnNMMWJA Can anyone help me interpret my problem and possibly guide me to a solution?
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14:06<somiaj>what version of wine are you using?
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14:13<itd_>futurama140: ^
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14:24<itd_>futurama140: Do you have a texture pack for that game? (e.g. 'default.zip')
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14:35<pillo>hello
14:36<itd_>pillo: Hello.
14:36<pillo>i need help with my packages system
14:36<sney>itd_: he crossposted in -next
14:36<itd_>sney: thanks
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14:41<rhiamom>sney, Success with getting the tor browser up and running.
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14:42<sney>!congratulate rhiamom
14:42<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies rhiamom, you did it!
14:42<rhiamom>The successful route was to ignore my strong preference for debian repository.
14:42<rhiamom>I got it installed using the instruction at torproject
14:43<rhiamom>I had to download the tor gpg signatures... but even with those the Debian packages did not work
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14:45<sney>rhiamom: you should report that as a bug in the debian package
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14:46<rhiamom>Yeah, but how can that bug be fixed?
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14:47<inkbottle>Are there mirrors for http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/?
14:47<sney>the debian package is just a downloader for the upstream thing, I think? so they would have to update the code in the downloader to make it fetch the right signatures
14:47<rhiamom>In other news, I switched to an old wifi router I had hanging around that actually let me set the DNS to the Open DNS servers. Our Aplle Airport Extreme did not allow that.
14:48<sney>yeah apple is not big on choice
14:48<rhiamom>hence my Debian box in addition to mt iMac
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14:49<rhiamom>When the weather warms we are getting ethernet run so that we are not wifi dependent.
14:49<rhiamom>Holes in the floor are a small price to pay for the speed and security.
14:50<sney>indeed
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14:50<Echoz>doing your own recursive lookups is the way to go :)
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14:54<rhiamom>so, now how do I add something to the xfce applications menu??
14:54<Echoz>rhiamom: add to .local/share/applications
14:56<rhiamom>there is a folder for torbrowser there, but the launcher is not in it.
14:59<Echoz>rhiamom: then you probably have to make one yourself
14:59<rhiamom>the launcher is in my home directory, where I Unzipped the tor download
14:59<Echoz>move it in there, then
15:01<rhiamom>nope, not getting into the xfce applications menu
15:01<Echoz>might have to reload xfce
15:02<rhiamom>worth a try.
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15:07<Echoz>rhiamom: any success?
15:07<rhiamom>nope, Echoz, not there
15:08<Echoz>rhiamom: is it installed only for your user or system wide
15:08<rhiamom>my user
15:09<Echoz>does the launcher work? sometimes the menus refuse to show things they don't think will work
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15:10<rhiamom>yes, the launcher works
15:10<rhiamom>trying again
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15:20<rhiamom>and now the tor browser is broken
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15:34<rhiamom>guess I will have to spend some time figuring out how xfce gets menu items added. Usually it is automagic when I install an app.
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15:34<Echoz>rhiamom: yeah, i haven't used xfce in years, so i'm not certain myself. been using gnome for the past 3 years or so
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15:39<rhiamom>I don't know why I dislike Gnome. I just do. Nautilus drove me mad when it first came out. I like KDE, but it makes it easy to do the hard things, and impossible to do the easy things, if you know what i mean.
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15:45<dtw>rhiamom, desktop menus are in /usr/share/applications/*.desktop or ~/.local/share/applications/*.desktop
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15:50<rhiamom>Yes! the /usr/share/applications location is it.Thank you, dtw
15:50<rhiamom>Now to move the launcher and fix the path it calls
15:51<dtw>Files in ~/.local/share/applications override system-wide ones.
15:51<rhiamom>nope, won't let me move ot copy it
15:52<rhiamom>Taking a break for a while, bbl
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15:59<Echoz>rhiamom: shouldn't use /usr/share for things installed in your home dir
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16:01<retrospectacus>hi
16:01<Echoz>g0s5hl: hi
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16:02<retrospectacus>!chat
16:02<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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16:13<Raku>somiaj, I'm back :P
16:14<somiaj>keep up the work, and note you don't have to ask me questions, just ask the room, others may have input as well
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16:17<Dreamset>Someone mby have idea why my VM isnt starting? It hangs on "Starting virtual machine"
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16:18<annadane>try starting it from the console and give the output?
16:19<Echoz>Dreamset: what virtualization software are you using?
16:19<Dreamset>Oracle VirtualBox
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16:21<Dreamset>Started vm from term, suspends again. 0 output info
16:21<Dreamset>ill try making new vm
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16:23<Dreamset>new vm suspending too. I will reinstall it
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16:30<Raku>somiaj, Ya but you know the problem so well at this point
16:30<Raku>You've been with me from the start
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16:46<prixtis>hi, im running jessie with xfce. whenever i launch evolution the gnome keyring pops up asking for my password. is it safe to remove gnome-keyring?
16:46<doubledutch>Yes
16:47<prixtis>thanks
16:47<doubledutch>I prefer to not use it and do everything manually
16:47<doubledutch>Just make sure a ton of other software isn't going with it when you apt-get remove gnome-keyring
16:47<somiaj>prixtis: if you use apt/aptitude and it requres you to remove other packages, it will let yo uknow what other packages it will remove, make sure you read what other packages may be removed.
16:47<doubledutch>It might try to uninstall depends like Desktop Environment and more
16:47<prixtis>yes i will check
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16:48<prixtis>it wants to also remove evolution
16:48<prixtis>evolution depends on the keyring???
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16:49<itd_>judd: why evolution gnome-keyring
16:49<judd>Packages evolution and gnome-keyring in jessie/amd64 are linked by 1 chains: evolution ▶ evolution-data-server ▶ gnome-keyring
16:49<itd_>prixtis: Yes.
16:50<prixtis>can it be disabled? i want to always type in my passwords
16:50<prixtis>so i can remember them
16:50<prixtis>judd is a bot?
16:50<itd_>prixtis: Yes.
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16:55<itd_>prixtis: Have a look at this suggestion: http://askubuntu.com/a/358514 maybe it helps to reduce the cache time to live (ttl).
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17:01<prixtis>itd how about this? http://ask.xmodulo.com/disable-gnome-keyring-linux-desktop.html
17:01<prixtis>as it says it would disable it
17:02<itd_>prixtis: Well, try it if you like and see if it works. :)
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17:02<rhiamom>Slightly off-topic - can anybody recommend a webcam that works well in Jessie?
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17:05<Raku>I found more logs, this is journalctl -xn 40 after I do something in systemd(in this case I ran `systemctl enable acpid`)
17:05<Raku>https://paste.debian.net/912711/
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17:09<itd_>admin: Hello.
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17:15<Raku>I think I'm finding all the logs possible that exist ever for this, but they're useless pretty much lol
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17:38<prixtis>itd it seems like gnome-keyring cant be disabled. I didnt see a checkbox saying "add this password to your keyring" :) problem solved
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17:45<prixtis>how is it possible to have 2 different looking windows? http://imgur.com/VII6O8u
17:46<prixtis>the one with the white menu under the title bar i dont like and didnt chose it
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17:46<prixtis>also from a menu hitting open, the dialog gets those same ugly icons
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17:48<Raku>One could be using qt, one could be using gtk
17:48<prixtis>even calculator uses the white ugly one
17:49<Raku>Probably your gtk theme
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17:55<prixtis>raku where can i change that?
17:56<Raku>https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+change+gtk+theme&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
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18:00<prixtis>raku i know all that, but whatever i change i cant get rid of the white menu. it kinda reminds me of gnome and im using xfce.
18:00<grove>But gedit window is also affected by client side decorations (a really bad idea the gnome people got), it seems there is a solution that is now packaged for testing and unstable (yet another reason to look forward to stretch)
18:00<Raku>I wonder what the g in gedit is?
18:01<prixtis>gnome :)
18:01<prixtis>lol
18:01<Raku>That would be why it looks like gnome
18:01<prixtis>it is gnome isnt it?
18:02<grove>It's fine that the gnome people wants their apps to look a certain way, but doing it in a way that breaks badly when you don't run gnome is just wrong
18:03<prixtis>i agree
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18:03<grove>and the link to the (coming) solution: https://packages.debian.org/testing/gtk3-nocsd
18:04<grove>(as I just found out about that a few minutes ago, I can't comment on it, besides believing it's a really good idea)
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18:05<prixtis>wierd that gnome terminal doesnt look that way
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18:06<Raku>I've lost hope of anything on google helping with this
18:07<Raku>All the logs aren't actual errors just generic startup messages a million times
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18:09<mjukk>i accidentally opened 800 photos up on my old laptop
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18:09<mjukk>the computer is more or less freezing and i cant close anything down
18:09<mjukk>what to do?
18:10<prixtis>press the power button to shut down
18:10<prixtis>but be patient
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18:11<Raku>mjukk, You could see if you can switch to a tty
18:11<mjukk>tty?
18:11<Raku>Press ctrl alt and then one of the fN keys
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18:13<Raku>If you get a black terminal looking screen then you can probably save it without shutting down
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18:18<mjukk>thanks
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18:27<itd_>grove: nice package! :) (worked for me.)
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18:28<prixtis>itd_ the gtk3-nocsd?
18:28<itd_>prixtis: Yes.
18:28<prixtis>jessie backports?
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18:31<itd_>prixtis: No (not available). Did a "simple sid backport".
18:31<prixtis>i didnt now there were sid backports :)
18:32<somiaj>you make your own
18:32<somiaj>!sbp
18:32<dpkg>The "Stuck Beacon Problem" (SBP) is a known <madwifi> issue. http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/StuckBeacon . Consider using <ath5k> instead, which has access point functionality since Linux 2.6.31.
18:32<somiaj>!ssb
18:32<itd_>prixtis: !ssb
18:32<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
18:34<itd_>prixtis: you can write '/msg dpkg deb-src sid' to receive more information.
18:34<prixtis>the thing is i can write a lot to dpkg and i dont know where to start lol
18:35<prixtis>!help
18:35<itd_>prixtis: Start with the words between '<' and '>'.
18:35<prixtis>how can i get all those !putcommandhere stuff
18:36<itd_>prixtis: try not to use it. ;) Talk to dpkg in private, if possible.
18:37<itd_>prixtis: And 'listkeys cookie' will show you a list of commands related to 'cookie'.
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18:39<prixtis>i regret not being on this channel 15 years ago
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20:22<Raku>Been having issues resolving an error I guess you could call it, I've had some random spam in my dmesg for a while but only just recently got assed to fix it, I got most of it cleared up and now it's just this https://paste.debian.net/912599/ that along with the other messages I originally thought were just completely randomly flooding, but they actually go whenever I do some systemd
20:22<Raku>operation(Maybe other events but not too sure about that)
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20:22<Raku>This is syslog when the message appears in dmesg https://paste.debian.net/912597/ and here's journalctl -x https://paste.debian.net/912711/
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20:45<_0>howdoyoudo,ladies and gentlemen!problem with pychess(
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20:46<_0>start and stun at checking engines after phalanx(
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20:47<_0>logs i can not find
20:48<_0>if i start from console >>03:37:23 ('Phalanx', '03:02:23.501') Warning: Chan closed for 'post'03:37:23 ('Phalanx', '03:02:23.501') Warning: Chan closed for '\n'
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20:50<_0>someone,please help me to dig into the solution or pychess is absolute useless)
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20:55<_0>teks, it seems installing windows is the solution)
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21:00<evros>ich kriege wlan im terminal nicht zum laufen, hat wer erfahrung drin?
21:02<rhiamom> evros, you might want to try the channel debian-de. It is the German language channel. We are mostly those poor monolingual English speakers here.
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21:04<rhiamom>Or debian-nl for Dutch
21:05<_0>has started a procedure of installing windows, sorry(
21:05<_0>openbsd and lfs is not for me
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21:08<evros>right i forgot that there ist an german channel thank you
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21:15<evros>i have trouble to connect to my wifi over terminal
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21:34<rhiamom>Evros, does it connect using Gnome ot KDE or xfce, or not ever?
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21:35<evros>last time with ubuntu 12.04 it was working
21:35<rhiamom>Also, Evros, what is the chipset of your wifi?
21:36<rhiamom>Is it a card or usb?
21:36<evros>card Atheros AR9285
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21:38<rhiamom>it is n speed?
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21:39<evros>speed?
21:39<rhiamom>Evros, is the ath9K module loading? It looks like that might be the module it needs
21:40<rhiamom>yes, and frequency; how many antennas?
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21:41<evros>its integrated in a notebook
21:42<rhiamom>are you sure it is atheros? Realtek or Broadcom are more common
21:43<evros>yes lspci says atheros
21:43<rhiamom>if it worked with Ubuntu, try installing the packages firmware-linux-nonfree and if that doesn't work firmware-realtek
21:44<rhiamom>Ubuntu includes the nonfree packages
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21:44<rhiamom>you may need to add non-free to your /etc/apt/sources.list
21:45<rhiamom>eg, deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ jessie non-free contrib main
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21:47<rhiamom>atheros is supposed to Just Work, no firmware needed
21:47<rhiamom>sois the module loading??
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21:48<rhiamom>lsmod
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21:49<evros>ath9k is in lsmod listed
21:50<rhiamom>do you have the package wireless-tools installed?
21:51<rhiamom>https://manpages.debian.org/jessie/wireless-tools/iwconfig.8.en.html
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21:52<evros>the tools are installed
21:52<rhiamom>so what does iwconfig wlan0 get you?
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21:55<evros>http://pastebin.com/raw/RaN3VNwq
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21:56<rhiamom>does your wifi access have an SSID (name) and password?
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21:57<evros>ssid is disabled and WPA2
21:57<evros>i try it with activated SSID
21:58<rhiamom>you mean the SSID is set on the router to not broadcast?
21:58<evros>yes
21:58<rhiamom>gah!
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21:59<evros>till now i had no problems without broadcast
21:59<rhiamom>iwconfig wlan0 essid "My Network" key your wpa password
22:00<rhiamom>it just means you have to tell your wifi card what network to connect to specifically
22:01<rhiamom>you DO know that the Debian wiki recommends using something like Gnome or KDE to do this?
22:02<rhiamom>well, without using the helpful GUI front ends it makes no difference
22:02<evros>not really ^^ i like to set up the notebook as headless machine so i may ignored it...
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22:03<rhiamom>Not broadcasting is certainly a more secure wifi network
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22:05<evros>yeah thats one of the reasons why do nit broadcast it
22:06<rhiamom>https://manpages.debian.org/jessie/wireless-tools/iwconfig.8.en.html
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22:06<rhiamom>those are the Debian wiki instructions for setting up wifi on a terminal.
22:07<rhiamom>Have fun. Or use the simple to use GUI tools like Ubuntu has
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