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01:02<Raku>Been having issues resolving an error I guess you could call it, I've had some random spam in my dmesg for a while but only just recently got assed to fix it, I got most of it cleared up and now it's just this https://paste.debian.net/912599/ that along with the other messages I originally thought were just completely randomly flooding, but they actually go whenever I do some systemd
01:02<Raku>operation(Maybe other events but not too sure about that)
01:02<Raku>This is syslog when the message appears in dmesg https://paste.debian.net/912597/ and here's journalctl -x https://paste.debian.net/912711/
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01:25<th3m4rt14n>whats everyone's favourite OS to be running in linux?
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02:05<pdo_fn14>Is't recommended to upgrading Jessie to Bullseye without touching Stretch Repository?.
02:05<pdo_fn14>Because I have a plan to skipping one "per-stable release" cycle when upgrading soon.
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02:20<somiaj>you should never skip a release when upgrading, even if you only pass through that release to the next
02:20<somiaj>scripts are designed to only make changes per release
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02:21<somiaj>pdo_fn14: jessie will have security support for about a year after the release, then jessie-lts will exist for a few more years for x86/arm ports only, and only server side software, desktop software (such as browsers) will loose security support when jessie becomes lts
02:23<somiaj>so in waiting for the next release after stretch, you'll have a period where you will be in lts support.
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02:27<pdo_fn14>somiaj, I have updating jessie to sid directly and no problem until now
02:28<somiaj>because of how unstable/testing are related. But once stretch is stablaized, the new upgrade scripts added to sid after that will be designed to upgrade stretch to the next release, and after that time skipping steps can cause issues with the upgrade.
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02:29<somiaj>also transitional packages needed for jessie->stretch will be removed, and so on. The recommened upgrade path has always been through each release, with at a paticular point in time testing/unstable are usually similar.
02:30<pdo_fn14>somiaj, Okay I saw Debian Wiki ago, and it's says must be jessie==>stretch==>sid.
02:30<pdo_fn14>But strangely I just jessie==>sid (unstable) directly.
02:31<pdo_fn14>And no problem after just skipping one release afterall.
02:31<somiaj>that is just pointing out you should go through release, while stretch is testing, packages uploaded to sid are designed to upgrade the jessie version of the package (not stretch), because these packages eventaully make their way into stretch
02:31<pdo_fn14>Kudos somiaj. :-)
02:32<somiaj>the issue is if you tried to do jessie -> sid after the release, the upgrade path will start having issues due to the newer packages will be deisnged to upgrade from stretch, and may not act as expected on package versions from jessie.
02:32<somiaj>one can of course try to skip, but it is not reocmmneded or supported. Though stable -> unstable isn't really skipping and many go that route.
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02:34<somiaj>another reason it suggest to go through testing, is packages in sid may not be installable due to dependency issues, while packages in testing should all be installable, so upgrading to testing first can help avoid potiential issues in sid, so if your run into any, most of your system has been upgraded already.
02:37<pdo_fn14>Damn, thats why my sid VM have many dependency issues. Thanks somiaj.
02:39<somiaj>yea, sid is kinda the safegard for testing, and where packages get uploaded too. After 10 days and provided the package can be installed in testing, it will migrate.
02:39<somiaj>in general sid gets more bugs, testing gets worse security support and can be a bit rough on large transitions.
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03:30<anandane>does anyone know how to stop the volume bar from popping up at the top right sometimes? (on xfce)
03:31<anandane>it actually might be a vlc thing, i haven't checked that
03:32<anandane>doesn't appear so
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03:37<awal1>anandane, xfce4 pulseaudio plugin? pnmixer or what?
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03:38<awal1>,v volume-mixer
03:38<judd>No package named 'volume-mixer' was found in amd64.
03:38<anandane>i'm not sure how to check that
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03:44<awal1>check if the built-in xfce volume mixer doesn't have a feature for notify about volume being changed by external programs
03:44<awal1>if it's vlc doing weird stuff
03:45<anandane>alsa mixer and pavucontrol both don't seem to have such a feature
03:45<anandane>i haven't been paying too much attention to when it happens but it seems to happen often with vlc so it's likely vlc
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06:01<sediment>anyone know of the best tool to hack wechat passwords?
06:01<sediment>i.e. on kali
06:01<itd>dpkg: kali
06:01<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
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07:17<di0x>bingo!
07:17<di0x>illegal.
07:17<di0x>c'est moi.
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07:38<di0x>Oh Brigado.
07:38<ytdeb>Hello.
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07:42<ytdeb>Hello.
07:42<ytdeb>How can I upload the package to Debian official repository?
07:44<petn-randall>ytdeb: You file an ITP bug, then package the software, then ask someone to upload it for you.
07:44<petn-randall>ytdeb: Only Debian Developers/Maintainers can upload software to the Debian repository.
07:45<ytdeb>I must to ask to Debian Maintainers to upload package?
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07:47<Brigo>ytdeb, there is a procedure for managing this kind of things, ask in #debian-mentors
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07:49<Brigo>ytdeb, the topic of #debian-mentors is a good start point, even befor asking.
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08:08<elvirolo>hi all
08:08<elvirolo>Could anyone help me set up Puleaudio on a headless server?
08:08<elvirolo>(running jessie)
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08:11<itd>elvirolo: Maybe. What exactly is your problem?
08:13<elvirolo>itd: Well, I use /etc/rc.local to start it on boot as a non-root user, but I'm sure that's not the way to do it. And MPD won't connect to the pulse daemon: "[pulse]: pa_context_connect() has failed: Connection refused"
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08:18<itd>elvirolo: Which user/group does mpd run as?
08:19<elvirolo>my own user, elvirolo
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08:20<itd>elvirolo: Is your user able/allowed to use pulseaudio?
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08:25<elvirolo>itd: how do I make sure it is?
08:25<elvirolo>and should I run mpd as the same user?
08:25<elvirolo>they're both members of the audio group
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08:38<itd>elvirolo: test if you get some sound e.g. with 'aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Left.wav'
08:39<elvirolo>itd: I get : PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Access denied
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08:40<elvirolo>wait, it works now
08:40<elvirolo>Just killed pulseaudio and started it again
08:41<elvirolo>It doesn't work when aplay command is started as root, though
08:42<itd>elvirolo: I'm not sure if your /etc/rc.local solution is a good idea. (But no better suggestion though.)
08:43<elvirolo>The ideal thing would be to run it as a system wide daemon, although I know the devs stand against it
08:44<grawity>it's not as bad with memfd support
08:44<grawity>headless servers are probably the main reason system mode support hasn't been removed, either way
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08:51<elvirolo>grawity: so I should add a systemd unit file?
08:52<grawity>if you're doing it through rc.local, then yes, make a .service
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08:53<elvirolo>grawity: ok :) I just tried this one: https://possiblelossofprecision.net/?p=1956 but I now get "PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Access denied" when I start aplay
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08:55<grawity>check permissions of the pulseaudio socket
08:56<elvirolo>grawity: sorry, but how to I do that?
08:56<elvirolo>do you mean /run/user/1000/ ?
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09:27<Xylon>does anybody have any experience of using SEDs (self-encrypting-drives) on Debian?
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09:47<elvirolo>hi again
09:48<elvirolo>I've decided to do without pulseaudio, it's too much trouble (probably my fault). But now alsa doesn't work either. I get "cannot open mixer: No such file or directory" when I run alsamixer
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12:08<Lisendra>test
12:09<itd>Lisendra: Hello.
12:10<Lisendra>hello, thanks for reply, was testing irc client on android, quite silent here
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12:11<itd>Lisendra: Seems to work. ;) Since this is a support (not a chat) channel it is quite sometimes, yes.
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12:18<prixtis>!ssb
12:18<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
12:19<prixtis>can i use apt build-dep instead of aptitude build-dep in the above?
12:19<itd>prixtis: Yes, should work.
12:19<prixtis>isnt aptitude kinda deprecated?
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12:21<itd>dpkg: tell prixtis about why aptitude
12:21<itd>dpkg: tell prixtis about why not aptitude
12:21<itd>prixtis: That's all I know. ;)
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12:30<prixtis>thanks itd
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12:34<Vyrus001>color me confused => http://pastebin.com/P3ph4Y8F
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12:35<itd>Vyrus001: `python --version`?
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12:37<Vyrus001>itd: Python 2.7.13
12:38<lok[m]>What's wim image
12:38<lok[m]>Debian has wim image?
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12:39<itd>Vyrus001: Typo. 'pyscrypt'
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12:39<itd>Vyrus001: (Or at least not 'pyscript'.)
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12:40<Vyrus001>itd: heh thnx
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12:41<prixtis>itd i just installed the gtk3-nocsd. is there anything i need to set? cant find any documentation
12:41<prixtis>sec found it
12:42<itd>prixtis: Good. (I had a look at this: https://github.com/PCMan/gtk3-nocsd/blob/master/README.md )
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12:42<itd>lok[m]: Could you please explain what 'wim' is?
12:42<prixtis>thats whatr im reading
12:43<prixtis>vim in german?
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12:44<lok[m]>Is it something related to Windows image?
12:44<lok[m]>itd: prixtis
12:44<itd>lok[m]: You tell me. ;)
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12:44<itd>lok[m]: What made you ask that here?
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12:45<yve>hi
12:45<itd>yve: Hello.
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12:46<yve>im new here
12:46<lok[m]>It may be related to any os
12:46<lok[m]>I am unsure
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12:47<itd>yve: Well then: Welcome to the Debian stable support channel. Should you have a question, please just ask.
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12:51<wsl>does jessie have snaps
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12:54<itd>wsl: You mean this: https://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/snappy ?
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12:56<wsl>yes, can you install snap packages in jessie?
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12:57<wsl>i see it mentioned for sid
12:58<somiaj>,v snap
12:58<judd>Package: snap on amd64 -- jessie: 2013-11-29-1; sid: 2013-11-29-6; stretch: 2013-11-29-6
12:58<somiaj>that is not the right program
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12:59<itd>,v snapd
12:59<judd>Package: snapd on amd64 -- stretch: 2.21-2; sid: 2.21-2
12:59<wsl>ok, so i'd have to upgrade to stretch
12:59<somiaj>wsl: in theory static linked binaries can be installed, but as a general rule I would try to stick only to offical debian packages.
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13:00<prixtis>gtk3-nocsd had no effect
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13:00<somiaj>prixtis: what are you trying to do? What wm do you run?
13:01<prixtis>xfce
13:01<prixtis>i want to get rid of the white uglyness under the title bar
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13:01<somiaj>I have noticed mixed result with it, since it is mostly a hack. In fvwm I was able to configure fvwm to show the titlebar
13:01<somiaj>prixtis: clarify what you mean by white uglyness
13:02<prixtis>i have the title bar
13:02<somiaj>that package doesn't remove/change the client side decor, it just removes the flag which stops borders/title bars from being drawn (afiak)
13:02<prixtis>its the white ugly thing under it i want to get rid of
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13:02<prixtis>thats what i also think it does
13:03<somiaj>I still don't quite know what this thing you are talking about is, but in my experience I have to deal with the client side decor, I can just choose to also use my WMs decor on top of it, so they are both there
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13:04<somiaj>so if this white ugliness is part of the client side decor of the app, all the patched package does it make it so you can draw your wms decor around it, but it will still be there
13:04<prixtis>http://imgur.com/VII6O8u
13:05<prixtis>thats gedit and mousepad running
13:05<itd>prixtis: Compare the images in 'Preview' on https://github.com/PCMan/gtk3-nocsd - note that nothing white is removed, only the black border is added.
13:05<prixtis>they both have the title bar but gedit has the ugly stuff
13:05<somiaj>yea the patch doesn't remove the client side decor, it just allows you to additionally have the window manager's decor, so you now have both.
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13:06<prixtis>itd i already had that result and adding nocsd actualy did nothing
13:06<somiaj>this depends on the wm, some wm's wouldn't draw it due to an EWMH flag that gets set, but the wm can ignore the request to not draw the decor and draw it anyways
13:07<somiaj>the patch was for window managers that couldn't be configured to ignore that flag
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13:07<prixtis>so i guess that all programs written for gnome will have this look?
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13:08<somiaj>gtk3 apps, so not all gnome apps, and only ones that wish to use csd in their app. Not all apps use this, though the move is in that direction.
13:08<prixtis>does firefox also use gtk?
13:08<somiaj>gtk2 I belive
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13:09<somiaj>not all apps have moved over to gtk3, unsure if firefox has yet or not
13:09<somiaj>check the depends of firefox to see if it uses gtk2 or 3
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13:09<prixtis>so when i go to file-open in firefox, i get an ugly file manager and not the default thunar file manager. is that also because of gtk ?
13:10<somiaj>note chorium has had this feature for some time in gtk2, but it gave the user an option to use it or not, and if the user disabled it, the decor was removed to allow the wm to use its own.
13:10<somiaj>correct, gtk has its own open/save windows that software makes use o
13:11<prixtis>meh... uglyness
13:11<prixtis>i just upgraded from wheezy the other day
13:11<prixtis>lotsa changes
13:11<somiaj>getting off topic here, but yea, gnome seems to build things in mind that you will use it inside gnome, as opposed to thinking about all the other users of gtk software out there.
13:12<prixtis>so its like gtk is kinda tied to gnome?
13:12<somiaj>it is the widget set gnome used, originally created for the gimp
13:12<somiaj>but yes, development for gtk3 was within the gnome ecosystem
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13:13<somiaj>so was csd, with the idea that these borders/titlebars take up vaulable realistate and the client could more effiently provide them
13:13<prixtis>in gimp when i do file-open, i get thunar
13:13<somiaj>originally crated for the gimp, but now it is used throughout gnome
13:13<prixtis>removing gtk is a bad idea huh?
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13:14<somiaj>you won't be able to use any gtk apps, which is most likely a good number of your apps
13:14<somiaj>thunar might even be gtk2
13:14<somiaj>the only real other option these days is qt apps and kde. Motiff and independent widget sets are mostly things of the past these days
13:16<prixtis>kde got messy, then i turned to gnome. then gnome got messy and im using xfce now
13:16*rhiamom loves xfce
13:16<prixtis>so im stuck with what it has to ooffer
13:16<somiaj>most smaller de's or wm's use a lot of gtk apps
13:16*itd is excited about lxqt.
13:17<somiaj>prixtis: thunar is gtk2, so what you are equating to using thunar, is more likely using gtk2 widget set and open/save dialogs
13:17<lostatwork>there is always mate
13:17<prixtis>is there something like a theme changer for gtk?
13:17<somiaj>but gtk3 apps will use the gt3 dialogs
13:18<somiaj>for gtk1/2 there is gtk-theme-switch or you can just modify the gtk2.0-rc file or something like that
13:18<somiaj>unsure about gtk3, almost all my apps have stuck with gtk2 so I haven't looked to much into it
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13:18<prixtis>i think its the gtk3 dialogs i dont like
13:18<prixtis>can those be changed with a theme?
13:18<somiaj>you can try to change/look for different gtk3 themes, see if you can find one more to your liking
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13:19<somiaj>prixtis: depends on what you want to change, but some thigns can be changed
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13:19<prixtis>meh... i can live with it
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13:19<prixtis>thanks :)
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13:21<rhiamom>I seem to recall reading someplace about a gui IRC client that will do the IDENTIFY thing for you. Anybody know which client that might be?
13:22<prixtis>xchat
13:22<prixtis>hexchat
13:22<prixtis>forget xchat
13:22<rhiamom>the client I use. Pray tell, where do I configure that?
13:23<prixtis>you are using hexchat?
13:23<rhiamom>hexchat?
13:23<rhiamom>no, xchat, and not thrilled with it. Looking for a better client
13:23<prixtis>xchat is not supported anymore
13:23<prixtis>use hexchat
13:24<rhiamom>downloading now
13:24<prixtis>optically its the same with xchat
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13:24<somiaj>rhiamom: I think most irc clients will identify for you automatically on connect
13:24<prixtis>you have to set them to auto id
13:25<prixtis><--- is on irc since 1993
13:25<prixtis><--- old fart :)
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13:26<prixtis>rhiamom hexchat now?
13:26<somiaj>I had some irc experiences back then, in the early 90s I use to use dialup for a mud
13:27<prixtis>zmodem and xmodem to d/l files
13:27<prixtis>204 bytes/sec
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13:27<prixtis>light speed!
13:27<corelectronic>hello
13:27<itd>corelectronic: Hello.
13:27<corelectronic>TÜRK YOKMU AQ
13:28<somiaj>corelectronic: this is an english channel, there are channels for other languages.
13:28<corelectronic>BEYLERRRRRRR TÜRKİYEDEN YOKMU KİMSE ACİL BİŞEY SORMAM LAZIM YA
13:28<somiaj>what language is that?
13:28<rhiamom>yes, hexchat now
13:28<corelectronic>turkish
13:28<somiaj>!tr
13:28<dpkg>from memory, tr is t�rk�e yardIm i�in #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net.
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13:29<rhiamom>so, how to automate the IDENTIFY command?
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13:31<corelectronic>TURK YOKMU REİZ YA
13:31<sney>rhiamom: under the network (ctrl+l then edit) there's a box for nickserv password
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13:31<sney>corelectronic: irc://chat.freenode.net/debian.tr right click connect
13:31<itd>corelectronic: please stop spamming.
13:31<corelectronic_>ok
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13:33<Scarface05>Hi. I was wondering if someone could tell me how to proceed fixing a bug once I have identified one?
13:33<prixtis>rhiamom go to hexchat-notwork list pick/create a network go to edit then connect commands. insert there /ns id yourpass
13:34<somiaj>Scarface05: is this bug for a version in jessie? Is this bug in the debian bts? Or you looking for just a workaround?
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13:34<itd>rhiamom: Maybe also relevant: https://hexchat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/faq.html#why-are-channels-joined-before-identifying
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13:36<rhiamom>testing
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13:43<prixtis>rhiamom ok?
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13:46<rhiamom>Getting the edits to take was a PITA, as was getting rid of the duplicate connection. Got it all working politely now, though.
13:46<rhiamom>Thank you for the help.
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14:52<Robirt55>Hey guys.
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14:53<Robirt55>any advice on setting up a DHCP server for a second eth on a Debian box? This is LAN will have 2 servers, and VPN traffic ONLY. I am planning on following this guide for the DHCP server: https://wiki.debian.org/DHCP_Server
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14:57<Raku>Been having issues resolving an error I guess you could call it, I've had some random spam in my dmesg for a while but only just recently got assed to fix it, I got most of it cleared up and now it's just this https://paste.debian.net/912599/ that along with the other messages I originally thought were just completely randomly flooding, but they actually go whenever I do some systemd
14:57<Raku>operation(Maybe other events but not too sure about that)
14:57<Raku>This is syslog when the message appears in dmesg https://paste.debian.net/912597/ and here's journalctl -x https://paste.debian.net/912711/
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15:04<citizen>Hey guys
15:05<xmaka>citizen, are you number four?
15:05<citizen>Are all of you using Parrot?
15:05<citizen>number four in what?
15:05<itd_>!parrotsec
15:05<dpkg>Parrot Security OS is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forum.frozenbox.org/ . Parrot is a security oriented distro based on Debian stable. http://www.parrotsec.org/
15:06<citizen>I'm using Parrot Security OS right now. And it just brought me here.
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15:07<xmaka>citizen, are you citizen four?
15:08<itd_>citizen: That's nice. I just wanted to inform you that this is the wrong place should you want to talk about Parrot.
15:08<citizen>No I'm not Citizen Four
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15:08<citizen>And why am I here if all of you guys are using Debian?
15:08<francisco>ola
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15:09<rhiamom>because Parrot OS is trying to avoid doing their own support work by sending people here?
15:09<itd_>citizen: I don't know. You could try to ask that on parrotsec.org.
15:11<citizen>I just recently switched from windows 7 because I wanted to try Linux for the first time.
15:11<rhiamom>citizen, welcome to Linux. but we really can't answer any Parrot questions.
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15:12<citizen>Just to clarify rhiamom, you guys are using Debian?
15:12<citizen>And also is it illegal to go here?
15:12<citizen>http://thehiddenwiki.org/
15:14<itd_>citizen: You are welcome to stay here, but please stay on topic (debian stable support).
15:15<citizen>I don't know anything about Debian though.
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15:16<itd_>citizen: If you want have a look at: https://www.debian.org/ / consult wikipedia / ...
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15:18<rhiamom>citizen, yes we are using Debian.
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15:19<WHAT>how to switch back to Windows??????
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15:19<itd_>WHAT: For windows support: ##windows on irc.freenode.net.
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15:21<WHAT>I already have the iso image and I want to burn it cause Linux sucks. How to burn windows image to usb?
15:21<WHAT>especially debian, debian is trash
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15:23<hicks>citizen: you can probably burn your windows iso in parrot.
15:23<itd_>WHAT: Depends on the ISO image, I guess. You could try to use 'cp windows.iso /dev/sdX' where sdX denotes your USB key.
15:23<WHAT>I tried everything
15:23<WHAT>I even used winusb but the usb still isnt bootable
15:24<itd_>WHAT: Well, I have no idea if windows is bootable from usb at all. That would be a ##windows question, IMHO.
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15:25<xmaka>itd_, ha, funny, i thought you are joking about ##windows, but this channel exists
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15:26<live>windows forever
15:26<WHAT>Are you just saying this because you don't want me to switch to Windows
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15:26<WHAT>Yea windows all day everyday
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15:28<itd_>WHAT: I'm saying this because I hope/think the people in ##windows know more about that topic than me.
15:28*zykotick9 read some of this backlog, rolls eyes, then changes to a different channel...
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15:29<annadane>i think it's fairly obvious he's trolling
15:29<WHAT>Yup I am trolling
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15:30<hicks>even trolls need support, just need to be running debian first :P
15:31<WHAT>No but really I want to dual boot debian and windows
15:31<WHAT>But I don't know how
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15:33<itd_>dpkg: tell WHAT about dual boot guide
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15:39<mjukk>i am currently installing dibian 8 with a netinstal iso. will i be able to re-initiate installation at a later state if i chose to not connect to a mirror server?
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15:40<itd_>mjukk: What do you mean by 're-initiate installation'? What kind of 'later state' do you have in mind? Why would you want to do that? :)
15:42<mjukk>later stage* i meant. what i mean is can i end installation now and use the "minimal system" which is allerady installed and try if it is enough for me, and then reinitiate the usual installation process if i wich, or will i have to install all other components manually if i end installation now?
15:42<annadane>well i do know it leaves you with a base operating system because you won't have installed a gui
15:43<annadane>i'm not sure what you can do at that stage
15:43<mjukk>no gui? ok well then i will have to continue installing
15:43<mjukk>the reason im thinking of ending now is because it seems unable to reach mirror servers
15:44<annadane>really? there's a fairly extensive list
15:44<annadane>i think one of them is redirect
15:44<rhiamom>Did the network setup complete successfully?
15:44<annadane>^
15:44<itd_>mjukk: What kind of system is that?
15:44<mjukk>yes the network setup completed successfully
15:45<mjukk>oh wait. it worked now. just seems the 2 first servers i tried didn't work
15:45<rhiamom>then keep trying mirrors. I had trouble getting one that connected properly, too.
15:45<mjukk>yeah. worked now. thanks guys
15:45<rhiamom>:)
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16:23<corelectronic>HELLO MY FRİENDS
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16:24<corelectronic>How can I make windows operating system again?
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16:25<ryouma>corelectronic: this is debian. maybe ask windows channel?
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16:27<somiaj>corelectronic: install the package os-prober and run update-grub
16:27<somiaj>corelectronic: for a dual boot if windows is already installed, to install windows ask a windows channel.
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16:30<ryouma>better answer than mine
16:33<ryouma>can one guarantee that os-prober will leave certain partitions intact?
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16:49<annadane>sorry, this is really basic, but anyone know of any built in tools to format drives?
16:49<annadane>or really just a package
16:50<itd_>dpkg: tell annadane about gparted
16:51<annadane>i have that, but the option to format as type is greyed out
16:51<annadane>ah
16:51<annadane>i should have read dpkg
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17:46<Raku>Been having issues resolving an error I guess you could call it, I've had some random spam in my dmesg for a while but only just recently got assed to fix it, I got most of it cleared up and now it's just this https://paste.debian.net/912599/ that along with the other messages I originally thought were just completely randomly flooding, but they actually go whenever I do some systemd
17:46<Raku>operation(Maybe other events but not too sure about that)
17:46<Raku>This is syslog when the message appears in dmesg https://paste.debian.net/912597/ and here's journalctl -x https://paste.debian.net/912711/
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18:30<mjukk>what (really simple) aplication would you use to monitor a couple of vps servers and their cpu usage?
18:31<mjukk>i have found something called RRDtool but it seems complicated
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19:44<Raku>Been having issues resolving an error I guess you could call it, I've had some random spam in my dmesg for a while but only just recently got assed to fix it, I got most of it cleared up and now it's just this https://paste.debian.net/912599/ that along with the other messages I originally thought were just completely randomly flooding, but they actually go whenever I do some systemd
19:44<Raku>operation(Maybe other events but not too sure about that)
19:45<Raku>This is syslog when the message appears in dmesg https://paste.debian.net/912597/ and here's journalctl -x https://paste.debian.net/912711/
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21:11<pedestrian>hi
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21:12<pedestrian>hello does someone here use mx16
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21:15<awal1>that's debian based
21:16<awal1>dpkg: m16
21:16<dpkg>awal1: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
21:16<awal1>dpkg: mx16
21:16<dpkg>i haven't a clue, awal1
21:16<awal1>dpkg: antix
21:16<dpkg>antiX is a live CD distribution based on <MEPIS>. It is not supported in #debian. http://antix.mepis.org/ #mepis on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
21:16<rhiamom>https://forum.mxlinux.org/
21:16<pedestrian>thanks
21:16<pedestrian>thats why i asked if maybe use it
21:17<pedestrian>someone
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21:17<pedestrian>thanks anyway
21:17<awal1>mx16 is a port/variant of antix, which isn't debian
21:17<pedestrian>i perfectly understand that
21:17<pedestrian>i am only new not dumb!
21:17<awal1>:D
21:18<pedestrian>and all i asked is if someone here maybe use it thats all
21:18<pedestrian>no need of you all to answer with no lol
21:18<pedestrian>i GOT that
21:18<pedestrian>thanks
21:18<pedestrian>.oO(i hate people who feel elite cost six millions jews their lives)
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21:19<awal1>I tried antix in a VM, it is a good debian based :) lightweight and stable
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21:24<likcoras>How would I go around using an existing encrypted partition in the installer (preserving existing data). I have lvm on luks, trying to use the free space on the lvm to install debian on.
21:25<somiaj>likcoras: I would first use expert mode, and then you may have to manually unlock the filesystem so it can be seen.
21:26<somiaj>you might also be able to skip the pick which partitions part, and just manually mount the partitions in /target, so at least /target and /target/boot and any other paritions you want. Then just have the isntaller copy data (not create any partitions)
21:27<likcoras>Ah, I had gotten as far an unlocking, did not think of mounting them manually.
21:28<somiaj>just make sure you skip all the formatting/selecting partitions in the installer and just tell it to install -- I have never tried this (or seen it tried) so ymmv
21:29<likcoras>Actually, wouldn't the installer just refuse to continue without doing the partitioning?
21:30<somiaj>last I checked in the expert installer you could skip over any step
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21:31<somiaj>so you should be able to skip down to the step you would be on after you manually did things, again I have not done this or seen it done, it is just the only way I can see it being done if the installer does not see the partition/lvm even after unlocking
21:31<likcoras>I saw a bug report (for ubuntu) of some person getting it (semi-)working, but repeating those steps didn't help. luksOpen + lvscan + vgchange -ay
21:31<somiaj>the last result is just manually install with debootstrap from another live system.
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21:33<likcoras>Yeah, it refuses to do the "install base system" without going through "partition disks" step.
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21:34<somiaj>you can use your other os and manually install with debootstrap
21:34<likcoras>Hm, where can I read more about that procedure?
21:35<somiaj>https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en
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21:37<likcoras>Hm, question about that procedure, it says that I have to add /proc in fstab, but my current system (installed with the debian installer, debian stable) doesn't have those listed in fstab. Are they necessary?
21:38<somiaj>systemd may have changed it and it never got updated from the wheezy release notes
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21:38<somiaj>I am unsure on that detail, but you just need a working fstab
21:39<likcoras>alright
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21:43<somiaj>hmm, it isn't mentioned explicityin that guide, but I suggest mounting all partitions inside of your /target directory before running debootstrap
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21:44<likcoras>Oh yeah
21:44<likcoras>It's similar to the arch install process, I guess. Just not used to grub.
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21:45<likcoras>following that guide, installing a kernel & grub-efi-and64, and running grub-install /dev/sda would work, right?
21:45<likcoras>ie. not break my current system
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21:54<somiaj>likcoras: I would double check the grub-intall command, grub-efi needs to install on an efi partition not the mbr, so you might have to target the efi partition
21:54<likcoras>ah, right.
21:54<somiaj>likcoras: you also don't have to use grub, I think gummiboot is available as well for jessie
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21:54<likcoras>really wish I could just use bootctl...
21:55<somiaj>with efi grub is kinda overkill if you are going to use your firmware to choose between oses
21:55<likcoras>wait, really?
21:55<somiaj>install the boot manager you want, there are various avaible
21:55<likcoras>gummiboot is the one that comes with systemd, right?
21:55<somiaj>no, gummiboot is a simple efiboot manager
21:55<somiaj>unsure what comes with systemd
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21:56<likcoras>At least the arch wiki says it's the same thing.
21:56<somiaj>you maybe able to use bootctl, not sure what pacakage it is, but I do know you can use the efi tools manually and not need a boot manager
21:56<somiaj>it might be, unsure there
21:56<likcoras>apt-file says that /usr/bin/bootctl belongs to systemd, and I obviously have systemd installed on my system, but for some reason I don't have bootctl available...
21:57<somiaj>debian even provides lilo, thought I don't think lilo works with efi
21:57<somiaj>likcoras: dpkg -l | grep systemd make sure you have the actual systemd package it says has that command
21:57<somiaj>I do not see bootctl in any stable package, maybe it is in a newer release
21:58<themill>bootctl is not in jessie
21:58<somiaj>yea, looks likeit isn't in jessie
21:58<likcoras>ooooh, I see
21:58<themill>,file bin/bootctl --release jessie-backports
21:58<judd>Search for bin/bootctl in jessie-backports/amd64: systemd: usr/bin/bootctl
21:59<likcoras>Ah, that's why it showed up in apt-file
21:59<themill>yeah, but also suggests that you could install systemd from jessie-backports to get that feature
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21:59*themill has no experience of systemd from jessie-backports
22:00<likcoras>Yeah, slightly scared of installing systemd from backports.
22:00<themill>the version from wheezy-backports worked just fine
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22:01<likcoras>Hm. How exactly would the transition from grub to bootctl work? delete /boot and /boot/efi and just have one /boot fat32 partition?
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22:05*agaida think - one could avoid backports by simply using sid ...
22:05<somiaj>i'm not sure on the details, so don't know
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22:59<awal1>I also heard about machinectl
23:00<awal1>,v gummiboot
23:00<judd>Package: gummiboot on amd64 -- jessie: 45-2
23:01<awal1>gummiboot --» systemd-boot
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