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00:51<crackotage>The freenode channel is full apparently
00:52<crackotage>Anyway, guys. FULL FREEZE FOR STRETCH!!!!
00:52<themill>full of bots that are leaving
00:52<crackotage>YAY!!!! 293 critical release bugs left! compare that to 595 for jessie
00:53<crackotage>does that mean stretch is over twice as stable as jessie? :/
00:53<themill>heh
00:53<crackotage>heh almost certainly not.
00:53<crackotage>I'm so freaking excited. It's gone from like 600 to 300 in a week or two.
00:54<themill>well that's largely because it accidentally went up on Dec 29
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00:55<crackotage>I I didn't check then, but I noticed the weird spike on the graph
00:56<crackotage>I can't wait! I'm being very disciplined and not upgrading till it's stable.
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00:57<crackotage>Although there are packages I want that oddly aren't even in sid... or experimental!
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00:57<crackotage>like libtoxcore. WHY NOT HAVE TOX IN THE REPO?!!?
00:57<crackotage>they have ring
00:57<crackotage>I wgot them, but still. I want them to be native.
00:58<crackotage>Also, rstudio. They have been on the wishlist for literally years.
00:58<somiaj>it takes work and debian packages require a certain level of quality. Basically what is in stretch now is what will be there + bug fixes, and some package reomvales.
00:59<crackotage>I'm aware about that. There also isn't security support until it's stable.
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00:59<crackotage>This is probably offtopic, but do any of you guys use a libre skype alternative? Which one?
01:00<somiaj>what aspects of skype are you looking for? Or you looking for a client that supports skype?
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01:00<somiaj>lots like pidgin as a chat program, but I don't think there is any open client for skype, if you need to use skype the webapp I think is the way things are heading
01:01<crackotage>I've never used skype, so I don't know. :P Just something someone who uses skype might switch to if I ask them everyday for a month
01:01<crackotage>Fuck the network effect
01:01<somiaj>pidgin supports various networks, jabber was one that I recall being all free (server and clients)
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01:02<crackotage>Yeah, I have pidgin so I can talk to people who use proprietary protocols
01:02<somiaj>video chat i'm not to sure one
01:02<Echoz>I used to use skype, now i find the facebook messenger thing has taken that role, i guess being web based it probably isn't very libre, although the client im using technically is under the MIT license
01:02<crackotage>MIT is free, just not copyleft
01:03<Echoz>crackotage: I know, but what I'm talking about is the web service, which would probably be on RMS's list of crimes against society
01:03<crackotage>Oh, facebook? Hell yes.
01:04<crackotage>I deleted mine when I was fourteen because it was depressing. That was before I converted to the Church of Emacs. (actually I use nano, but you get the point)
01:04<Echoz>I don't know how they handle the chat, though, but I probably wouldn't be happy to know
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01:04<crackotage>Then they added face recognition... *shudder*
01:04<Echoz>Oh, I just have an account with a pseudonym to stay in touch with people i meet online
01:04<somiaj>try not to drift off topic too much and vagually be talking about what debian supports.
01:05<crackotage>Thanks for the tip :)
01:05<crackotage>Anything you guys have been waiting for in the wishlist? https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/prospective
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01:07<Echoz>Haven't really taken the time to read through, but right off the bat I see ajenti, which is something I at least wanted to test
01:08<somiaj>I don't have exotic needs so everything I need is already in debian.
01:08<crackotage>looks neat.
01:09<crackotage>Some of it isn't really exotic. Like rstudio. It's been out for a while and has a great rep.
01:09<Echoz>crackotage: isn't rstudio already in the repos?
01:10<crackotage>nope!
01:10<Echoz>hm, not sure where I installed it from then, at least I have it installed
01:10<crackotage>Well, it has it's own repo and it packages its own deb. I don't understand why we don't use their deb and put it in contrib or something
01:10<somiaj>Debian nicely supports compiling software in /usr/local.
01:10<crackotage>you could have wgetted it
01:10<crackotage>or git cloned
01:11<crackotage>And it freakin bothers me that we don't have tor browser in main.
01:11<somiaj>,v tor-browser-launcher
01:11<judd>No package named 'tor-browser-launcher' was found in amd64.
01:12<Echoz>,v rstudio
01:12<judd>No package named 'rstudio' was found in amd64.
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01:12<Echoz>hm, not even in backports..?
01:12<crackotage>I feel validated!
01:12<crackotage>nope. I have backports.
01:12<somiaj>yea I thought tor was in backports, I just can't recall the package name
01:13<crackotage>If you can find it please tell me, I'm pretty sure it's not there.
01:13<somiaj>https://wiki.debian.org/TorBrowser
01:14<somiaj>,v torbrowser-launcher
01:14<judd>Package: torbrowser-launcher on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3; jessie-backports/contrib: 0.2.6-2~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib: 0.2.6-3; sid/contrib: 0.2.6-3
01:14<crackotage>CONTRIB
01:14<crackotage>I said main
01:14<Echoz>yup, it seems i downloaded rstudio from them, it's in ~/dls
01:14<crackotage>the way it works is that it downloads directly from the website. It's not handled separately by a maintainer.
01:15<somiaj>it must not meet the dsfg then, I dno't know tor that well, but it must depend on non-free software
01:15<somiaj>and the website bundle must have non-free software in it, hence in contrib
01:15<crackotage>All contrib meets the dsfg
01:15<themill>If it can't function without downloading things from the internet and then running them, it's not suitable for main
01:15<Echoz>I know that, i just thought i had installed it from the repos, i'm used to having a million issues with everything that's not in the repos
01:15<somiaj>but depends on non-free software.
01:15<crackotage>The problem is that it's not from debian
01:15<crackotage>It doesn't depend on non-free software
01:15<themill>it depends on things not in main
01:15<crackotage>yep!
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01:16<themill>therefore it cannot be in main
01:16<crackotage>the stuff not in main is fully free though
01:16<themill>doesn't matter. main is self-contained
01:16<Echoz>https://echoz.rocks/paste/data/1486275407215
01:17<crackotage>I know, I'm saying why it's annoying that it's not in main when it could be.
01:17<crackotage>meanwhile, guys. FREAKING FIREFOX ESR HAS NON-FREE SOFTWARE.
01:17<Echoz>it doesn't seem to depend on anything non-free, although admittedly i didn't check all of the dependencies
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01:17<crackotage>It has pocket by default.
01:17<themill>crackotage: it can't be in main if i has dependencies outside of main... we're going around in circles here.
01:17<crackotage>you have to disable it with about:config
01:17<crackotage>It bothers me.
01:18<crackotage>But I'll stick to the original subject.
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01:18<Echoz>what's pocket?
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01:18<crackotage>Check the customizey thing, it's like a bookmark manager.
01:19<crackotage>a PROPRIETARY bookmark manager.
01:19<awal1>propietary?
01:19<themill>The package is usable without it and it does nothing unless you ask it to.
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01:19<crackotage>But it's in there. It shouldn't be.
01:19<themill>There is no non-free code for pocket in the firefox package
01:20<Echoz>damn, you're right, it's there
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01:20<crackotage>there's non-free code. it's definitely closed source.
01:20<themill>yeah umm.. install an MSN client and be surprised that it wants to connect to MSN.
01:20<themill>crackotage: [citation needed]
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01:21<damionx7>Hello
01:22<Echoz>crackotage: isn't the pocket code also licensed under the MPL?
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01:23<themill>it is, yes
01:23<crackotage>https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1172126
01:24<crackotage>The service itself is proprietary
01:24<Echoz>but the code that actually runs locally is free?
01:24<themill>The service is not in the firefox package
01:25<crackotage>But it's in the toolbar by default.
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01:25<themill>You can restrain yourself from clicking on it.
01:25<crackotage>Well, yes. But there's no "this isn't free software" warning
01:26<themill>there's no warning that the web server you're visiting with http://www.foo.com/ might be a proprietary service either
01:26<Echoz>I completely agree that it's not good to advocate the use of non-free services in free software, but I don't think that violates the DFSG
01:26<themill>wget and curl also don't warn you that you might be using a proprietary service
01:26<crackotage>But firefox doesn't by default have an integrated link to "FOOBAR"
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01:27<crackotage>but this is a service... it's right there, looking all tempting
01:27<themill>That doesn't make it unsuitable for main and it doesn't make it non-free software.
01:27<crackotage>with no warning...
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01:27<Echoz>it does include google as the default search engine, however
01:27<themill>There is a warning. pocket gets you to create an account and agree to ToS
01:27<crackotage>It's not against the DSFG, but I wish it were deactivated
01:28<themill>(and perhaps it's time to get back to debian user support?)
01:28<crackotage>Have either of you used icecat? I'm sure it's more orthodox but it's not in the debian repo....
01:29<crackotage>If I wanted support I would use stackexchange :P this is IRC!
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01:30<Echoz>strictly speaking this is the support channel for debian, other things are probably more suited in #debian-offtopic
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01:31<crackotage>Does offtopic mean not about security, or not about debian?
01:31<crackotage>Because this about debian...
01:32<Echoz>!chat
01:32<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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01:32<Echoz>that's all i know, really, someone else feel free to clarify
01:33<somiaj>it is about debian, but you seem more here to point out how debian doesn't suit your needs as opposed to clarifying debian policy or support using debian.
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01:33<crackotage>Are you kidding? I love debian.
01:33<somiaj>or maybe just things you wish were different about debian
01:33<crackotage> I'm just whiny.
01:33<crackotage>I have "requests"
01:33<themill>Arguing about things on irc is seldom useful for anyone.
01:34<themill>Write good bugs, include patches, maintain packages.
01:34<somiaj>anyways you are welcome to use the BTS to file a wishlist bug to disable that feature in firefox. But it appears that the code/package distributed by debian contains and depends on no non-free stuff.
01:35<crackotage>I've written bug reports. No knowledge of programming languages that aren't Bash though.
01:35<crackotage>strictly that's shell, but still
01:36<crackotage>I'm trying to learn C though :)
01:36<crackotage>Alright, I'll go to offtopic. I'm angering the bot! Have a great morning you guys!
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02:10<damion>HOla
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02:21<somiaj>!es
02:21<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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09:54<pd605077>hi, from centos6, I debootstrapped an lv with stretch, I'm not sure if it's possible to configure centos6 grub to find the debian kernel/initramfs from lv, can someone help?
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09:57<pd605077>or should I mv debian /boot/* to the centos6 ext2 /boot partition?
09:58<pd605077>and update the debian /etc/fstab with this /boot ?
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13:06<scootergrisen>When Debian boots i see strings like "Install with speech synthesis". In what source code can i find this string?
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13:07<grawity>apparently, this one https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=Install+with+speech+synthesis
13:07<hertz>Hello
13:08<hertz>HELLO
13:08<hertz>HELLO
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13:08<thomasdu1lien>good day
13:08<musca>yes hertz, we read you
13:08<thomasdu1lien>I am trying to perform kernel debugging using QEMU + gdb, with the simulated machine running current stretch
13:09<thomasdu1lien>are there official debug symbol releases for stretch (e.g. can I install symbols via apt-get ...) or do I have to rebuild the kernel from scratch with syms?
13:09<grawity>afaik they're in a separate repo
13:09<grawity>Debian always has symbols though
13:11<thomasdu1lien>ok
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13:12<hertz>sjcsa
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13:14<hertz>Does anyone have experience with cryptography in. I want to teach cryptography but am not sure what math zkills I need.
13:14<hertz>teach my self
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13:15<thomasdu1lien>hertz: Cryptography is a big field. There's asymmetric (which can be number theoretical like RSA or focused on elliptic curves)
13:15<thomasdu1lien>and symmetrical (which focuses on hash functions and block ciphers)
13:15<thomasdu1lien>they are very different mathematically
13:15<hertz>Thanks.
13:15<thomasdu1lien>there's also provable security stuff, which is yet again different
13:15<thomasdu1lien>hmmmm
13:16<thomasdu1lien>so I added the debug symbol mirror
13:16<thomasdu1lien>deb http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/ stretch-debug main
13:16<thomasdu1lien>but now if I try to install
13:16<thomasdu1lien>apt-get install linux-image-amd64-dbgsym
13:16<itd>thomasdu1lien: for stretch please ask in #debian-next
13:16<thomasdu1lien>itd: thanks, will do :)
13:16<thomasdu1lien>sorry
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13:18<itd>hertz: Search for lecture material (e.g. search 'cryptography site:edu') and read what they require. Also not really a debian support question, so maybe ask elsewhere. ;)
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13:18<itd>thomasdu1lien: No problem. :)
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13:19<scootergrisen>Have the boot loader for Debian always been in english only?
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13:23<nicolas17>I'm trying to mount a cifs server (mount -t cifs '//foo.local/C$' mountpoint)
13:24<nicolas17>but mount prints this:
13:24<nicolas17>mount error: cifs filesystem not supported by the system
13:24<nicolas17>mount error(19): No such device
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13:24<nicolas17>and dmesg shows "cifs: Unknown symbol setattr_prepare (err 0)"
13:24<grawity>sounds like you're mixing different kernel and module versions?
13:25<jelly>or merely have not rebooted since the last kernel package upgrade
13:25<nicolas17>jelly: ...that might be the case >_<
13:25<itd>scootergrisen: No. (AFAIK the language grub2 uses currently depends on the value of $LANG when you create the grub.cfg.)
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13:28<scootergrisen>Are there any way of changing the GRUB menu language the first time it starts in english?
13:28<scootergrisen>Like i want to get the menu in my language.
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13:29<scootergrisen>In some distributions i can press F2 to change the language.
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13:31<itd>scootergrisen: Please define 'first time'.
13:31<scootergrisen>Like if i download a ISO image and test it in Boxes or virtualbox i get the GRUB menu in english.
13:33<itd>scootergrisen: This menu: http://www.tecmint.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Install-Debian-8.png ?
13:34<scootergrisen>Yep
13:34<scootergrisen>Is that not GRUB?
13:34<nicolas17>that's probably isolinux
13:34<grawity>that looks more like syslinux
13:34<nicolas17>I don't know if it's even translated
13:34<grawity>with the "TAB to edit" thing
13:35<scootergrisen>How do i know what it is?
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13:37<agaida>thats easy - grub is far more ugly and will show up only in uefi systems afaik
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13:38<nicolas17>:P
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13:39<scootergrisen>Well beauty is seen differently. Does it not says syslinux anywhere?
13:40<itd>scootergrisen: Mount the iso and 'grep -r "TAB to edit"'.
13:40<itd>scootergrisen: Result: "isolinux/stdmenu.cfg:menu tabmsg Press ENTER to boot or TAB to edit a menu entry"
13:41<itd>scootergrisen: Conclusion: it is isolinux.
13:43<scootergrisen>Strange i was thinking it was GRUB all the time
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13:43<itd>scootergrisen: And syslinux is a project that takes care of isolinux. (More or less.)
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13:46<scootergrisen>Did Debian use GRUB in older version?
13:47<itd>scootergrisen: Take care not to confuse the bootloader used to start the installer from the cd (isolinux) and the installer used to boot your system (grub).
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13:49<Raku>Been having issues resolving an error I guess you could call it, I've had some random spam in my dmesg for a while but only just recently got assed to fix it, I got most of it cleared up and now it's just this https://paste.debian.net/912599/ that along with the other messages I originally thought were just completely randomly flooding, but they actually go whenever I do some systemd
13:49<Raku>operation(Maybe other events but not too sure about that)
13:49<Raku>This is syslog when the message appears in dmesg https://paste.debian.net/912597/ and here's journalctl -x https://paste.debian.net/912711/
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13:50<itd>scootergrisen: Compare the image above to this grub image: https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9umWziLKxDQ/VU5M3rrJ-xI/AAAAAAAAOPY/6fiNUYsz_eQ/s1600/grub2.jpg
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13:51<scootergrisen>Hmm i thought they where the same
13:51<scootergrisen>I will test it some more
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13:56<petertr2000>Hi. Hoping to get a little help if possible - total newbie to Debian and linux command line in general
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13:57<petertr2000>I'm trying to completely purge a package I installed as its not needed. But while I can see, stop and start the service, when I try to purge it, I'm told that it "Isn't installed"
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14:04<jelly>petertr2000: that package name can differ from the service name. What particular service are you talking about?
14:04<petertr2000>couchpotato - decided I have no need for it, so want to remove it
14:04<jelly>how exactly did you install it?
14:05<petertr2000>If memory serves, using this guide - https://discourse.osmc.tv/t/how-to-install-couchpotato-and-sickrage-on-raspberry-pi/10788
14:05<petertr2000>I can show the service status, stop and start it no problem
14:05<petertr2000>sudo service couchpotato status <---- this works
14:06<petertr2000>dpkg -l "couchpotato" <------ this finds nothing
14:06<dpkg>No packages found matching "couchpotato" <------ this finds nothing
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14:06<jelly>petertr2000: makes sense, since those instructions do not show installing a package called couchpotato at any poiny
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14:07<jelly>point*. Remove the service definition and relevant paths using similar tools as you did for installation.
14:07<petertr2000>I was starting to realise that, but haven't yet worked out what the package is I need to remove?
14:08<jelly>there is no package.
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14:08<petertr2000>ah
14:08<jelly>if you didn't install a package, you have no package to uninstall
14:08<petertr2000>that'll explain it then
14:08<petertr2000>thank you
14:08<jelly>(and no simple uninstallation method)
14:10<petertr2000>Oh well, at least I'll learn some new commands in reversing it all :)
14:10<petertr2000>I think I've started by stopping the service from running on reboot
14:10<petertr2000>Is this correct: sudo systemctl disable couchpotato.service
14:11<itd>petertr2000: Looks good.
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14:12<petertr2000>thanks. As it happens, having it sat there won't do me any harm - it'll not be running anymore, which was the main point. I guess I can leave it for a while, as you never know, I might change my mind. Thanks very much for helping a newbie
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14:13<jelly>mask instead of disable would be stronger.
14:14<petertr2000>Failed to execute operation: File exists
14:14<petertr2000>because I already disabled?
14:14<itd>petertr2000: What did you do?
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14:15<petertr2000>sudo systemctl mask couchpotato.service
14:16<jelly>if you copied the service file directly to /etc/systemd/system/ I guess mask cannot work
14:16<petertr2000>ok thnx
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14:21<petertr2000>Rebooted - server is off, webgui doesn't load - looks like a good interim step to leave it at for now. Thanks all
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15:02<b34bb>hello everybody
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15:05<b34bb>i have a 64-bit jessie on a lvm on LUKS on a softraid-1, previously with seperate /boot stick which also held grub, the stick got lost, i created a new stik, that was lost againand now I set up an additional boot partition on the internal harddrive, reinstalled grub and all but on boot it fails to decrypt the luks volume, not even prompting me for a passphrase
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15:06<b34bb>when i try to bot the system it tells me the raid was assembled correctly and repeatedly tells me that the volume group was not found
15:07<b34bb>any idea how i could fix this?
15:07<b34bb>no problem getting into the system from rescue mode so it should be some kind of grub/init problem?
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15:17<stewew>Hello. Im having an issue trying to install KDE instead of the interface im using currently
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15:17<stewew>i downloaded KDE according to the instructions on debian.org/KDE
15:18<stewew>but then what? What am i missing?
15:18<itd>stewew: What did you expect that should happen now?
15:18<Brigo>stewew, Page not found
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15:19<stewew>wiki.debian.org/kde
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15:19<Brigo>stewew, This page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page, or use one of the page templates.
15:19<stewew>I was hoping that i would get KDE going since i can see no further instructions on the page?
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15:20<itd>Brigo: I would guess: https://wiki.debian.org/KDE
15:20<stewew>yes sry that is what i mean
15:20<Brigo>ok
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15:21<itd>stewew: Well, I'm not sure I understand your problem. Have you tried to log out, change the DE you want to use and then log in again?
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15:22<stewew>sorry first time linux user. i will try that itd. thanks
15:22<itd>stewew: No need to be sorry.
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16:23<a2>hello world
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17:05<stewew>Lynis or chkrootkit, which one would you trust or recomend?
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17:08<peter1138>chkrootkit is good for false positives
17:08<peter1138>not used lynis
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17:26<Helliana>Will testing freeze today like was originally set in the timeline a few months ago?
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17:52<somiaj>Helliana: yes, and don't cross post in the future.
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20:36<nicolas17>how do I check if a conffile has been modified from what the package ships?
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21:16<somiaj>nicolas17: dpkg --status package name lists the md5sum of the conffiles
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21:16<somiaj>unsure if there is an automatic way to just check as opposed to manually
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21:45<isa>hello friends, howto install zekr in Debian 8? Thanks
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21:46<sney>it looks like their website has install instructions
21:46<sney>isa: install java with 'apt-get install default-jre' and then follow the instructions on the website.
21:47<isa>i tried, but still failed.
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21:47<nicolas17>what did you try, what happened when you did, etc
21:47<sney>then you need to provide details. however, 3rd party software may have problems that we can't solve
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21:49<isa>i got this: https://packages.debian.org/sid/x11/zekr
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21:50<isa>zekr still in sid.
21:50<nicolas17>are you using sid?
21:50<sney>,v zekr
21:50<judd>Package: zekr on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 1.0.0+repack-7; stretch/non-free: 1.1.0+repack-2; sid/non-free: 1.1.0+repack-2.1; stretch/non-free: 1.1.0+repack-2.1
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21:50<sney>,checkbackport zekr
21:50<judd>Backporting package zekr in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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21:52<isa>how can I use backport?
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21:52<nicolas17>there isn't one, the bot just said it's probably not hard to make one :P
21:52<sney>!ssb
21:52<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
21:53<isa>ok thanks. I'll try
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22:40<Raku>Been having issues resolving an error I guess you could call it, I've had some random spam in my dmesg for a while but only just recently got assed to fix it, I got most of it cleared up and now it's just this https://paste.debian.net/912599/ that along with the other messages I originally thought were just completely randomly flooding, but they actually go whenever I do some systemd
22:40<Raku>operation(Maybe other events but not too sure about that)
22:40<Raku>This is syslog when the message appears in dmesg https://paste.debian.net/912597/ and here's journalctl -x https://paste.debian.net/912711/
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22:47<somiaj>There is a #systemd channel on freenode that may have some pointers as to why systemctl could be triggering things to reset
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