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02:42<thomasdu1lien>good morning. I am running a debian jessie install with linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 installed (e.g. the backported newer kernel), and I would like to download the source package for this. When I do apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r), I get the linux-signed package back, which does not contain source code but signatures for files
02:42<thomasdu1lien>what's the right way to get the actual sources ?
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02:50<Echoz>thomasdu1lien: have you added backports sources?
02:50<howard>info
02:51<Echoz>basically the same line as your backports line, just "deb-src" instead of "deb" at the beginning of the line
02:53<thomasdu1lien>done :-) sec
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02:54<thomasdu1lien>echoz: I have added, and apt-get update'd
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02:54<thomasdu1lien>is the right package to request a different one from "apt-get source linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.1-amd64" ?
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02:55<Echoz>thomasdu1lien: no, that seems correct. it works for me that way at least with the 4.8 kernel
02:55<thomasdu1lien>hm - I mean I get a package, but it doesn't contain the sources?
02:55<thomasdu1lien>e.g. just signatures
02:55<thomasdu1lien>if I request linux-source-3.16 I get a package with kernel 4.9.2 sources
02:56<thomasdu1lien>sorry for the confusion :-/
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02:57<thomasdu1lien>(for the first query it returns the file "linux-signed4~bpo8+1.tar.xz"
02:57<jm_>yes as apt-cache show ... tells you: Source: linux-signed (4~bpo8+1)
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02:58<thomasdu1lien>so that is not a package with sources as far as I can tell -- how would I get the kernel sources?
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02:59<jm_>I think the reason is listed in debian/README.source
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02:59<thomasdu1lien>e.g. only keyholders can generate the package?
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03:00<Echoz>thomasdu1lien: you are still not getting sources after adding the deb-src line?
03:00<jm_>so I suspect if you grab sources for unsigned package it will work
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03:00<thomasdu1lien>echoz: correct
03:00<thomasdu1lien>jm_: Ok will try
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03:01<Echoz>thomasdu1lien: you're right, my mistake, I noticed the same thing happened to me
03:01<thomasdu1lien>so if I do "apt-get source linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.1-amd64-unsigned"
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03:02<thomasdu1lien>I get the linux-latest package, which are the files linux_4.9.2-2.orig.tar.xz
03:02<thomasdu1lien>which isn't quite the kernel I was looking for either
03:02<thomasdu1lien>is there a way to directly download the debian package ?
03:02<thomasdu1lien>perhaps via ftp?
03:03<Echoz>thomasdu1lien: if you do uname -v, do you not get the same version?
03:04<jm_>how is it not?
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03:05<Echoz>the -unsigned package at least gave me the right sources
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03:07<thomasdu1lien>echoz: ah, yes, it gives a 4.9.2-2
03:07<thomasdu1lien>for some reason I thought it should be 4.9.0-0 ?
03:07<thomasdu1lien>(uname -r returns 4.9.0-0
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03:08<thomasdu1lien>so the 4.9.2-2 should be fine, cool
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03:09<thomasdu1lien>(gdb threw warnings at me that the source code is newer than the debug syms, but that may be a false positive)
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03:09<Echoz>thomasdu1lien: that would be the release name, package names seem to be limited to the current major revision
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03:09<jm_>if you look at apt-cache show linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.1-amd64, it says: Version: 4.9.2-2~bpo8+1
03:10<jm_>so yes, package name versus version
03:10<thomasdu1lien>ah, ok, excellent
03:10<thomasdu1lien>thanks :-)
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03:45<user3187>Hello, I was here yesterday, but little bit short on time. Can someone give me advice regarding simple packaging of debian packages, I need to package some custom files, not binaries. Issues I encounter (tried to use dpkg-deb (but probably not right tool for the job?)) are directory ownership, file permissions mostly.
03:46<user3187>or is there some other channel related to packaging where non-developers can ask for help/advice?
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03:50<somiaj>user3187: #packaging
03:51<grove>user3187: There's #debian-mentors - and the New maintainers guide is worth reading
03:51<grove>!nmg
03:51<dpkg>The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/
03:51<somiaj>#packaging would be the prefered channels, #debian-mentors is for getting packages into debian.
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03:52<user3187>thanks somiaj, grove
03:52<grove>somiaj: Okay
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04:28<Mrfai>I've uploaded fai_5.3.4~bpo8+1_amd64 to jessie-backports, but in the package tracker, there's only 5.3.3~bpo8+2. Any hints what I can do?
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06:24<tshepang>How do I create pre-configured kernel boot parameters in Debian Installer?
06:24<tshepang>I want my installer to have "auto=true priority=critical" kernel boot options
06:25<tshepang>this is so that I don't have to have to specify each time I boot the installer
06:25<jm_>you mean when building your own image?
06:26<tshepang>yes
06:26<jamesmc>Bah, the shiny new 4.9 backports kernel borks virtualbox-guest-dkms
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06:27<jm_>simply edit relevant boot config file, i.e. boot/grub/grub.cfg or isolinux/foo (not sure which one is used these days)
06:27<tshepang>jm_, kool
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07:38<inkbottle>I've inserted a debian live usb stick in a Thinkpad Helix, and rebooted and selected F12...
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07:39<inkbottle>I can see the disk in the boot menu: "SanDisk..."
07:39<inkbottle>I select it, it goes for a 3 second stroll on a black screen
07:39<inkbottle>and then come back as if nothing happened
07:40<ajcc>inkbottle: did you write the image to the root of the USB-stick or just the first partition?
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07:40<inkbottle>acc
07:41<inkbottle>ajcc: just copied
07:41<inkbottle>I think it was said to do so
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07:43<ajcc>inkbottle: ah, well, by copying the image the mean extracting an image and writing it onto the usb-stick. the image itself has to start before the regular filesystem you can drag files into. how to do this depends on what system you're currently using?
07:45<lindi-_>I don't think debian has any tools that allow a normal user to write the file without using command-line
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07:46<inkbottle>ajcc: ok, i think I got it...
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07:46<inkbottle>ajcc: I do that and come back
07:47<ajcc>inkbottle: should probably note that by extracting I don't mean just taking the files out of the .iso image
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07:50<inkbottle>ajcc: https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb
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07:50<inkbottle>they propose a simple cp...?
07:50<jm_>yeah but it needs correct arguments
07:51<petn-randall>ajcc: There's not extraction at all needed to prepare a USB stick for installation.
07:51<inkbottle>Then, I'm lost
07:51<inkbottle>jm_: there are no arguments on the page
07:51<ajcc>petn-randall: that was bad phrasing on my part
07:51<jm_>inkbottle: yeah I know
07:52<inkbottle>so what should I do?
07:52<ajcc>what OS are you trying to write the USB-stick from?
07:52<jm_>inkbottle: ala this https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03
07:52<inkbottle>debian
07:52<abrotman>inkbottle: which live image? did you ask #debian-live? are you trying to install or use it as a liveCD?
07:52<inkbottle>yes, live cd
07:53<abrotman>WHICH
07:53<jm_>just be extra careful about the device you use in the command
07:53<inkbottle>no I didnt ask
07:53<abrotman>install or liveCD?
07:53<ajcc>inkbottle: then using dd and making sure there's no number at the end of your /dev/sd* will be the best bet
07:53<inkbottle>liveCD so far
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07:53<inkbottle>ajcc: ok
07:54<themill>inkbottle, ajcc: just use cp as the documentation says
07:54<inkbottle>jm_: (in the page you gave me...) of course
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07:56<inkbottle>ajcc: jm_: themill: "after having made sure that the stick is unmounted"
07:56<inkbottle>that was the mistake
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07:56<inkbottle>probably
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07:57<ajcc>inkbottle: well, the only difference is that linux will write the image when you unmount the stick
07:57<ajcc>or type sync in the terminal
07:58<jm_>inkbottle: yes quite possible
07:58<petn-randall>ajcc: No, if it's mounted, Linux will assume there's still a partition and a working filesystem under it. So when you unmount it, it will flush any buffers to the disk and corrupt the .iso you just wrote on it.
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07:59<ajcc>petn-randall: when you're using cp?
08:00<petn-randall>ajcc: If there was a filesystem on the USB stick before, and you unmount it, yes.
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08:01<petn-randall>ajcc: That's why the filesystems on the USB stick have to be unmounted before you cp an .iso over the blank block device.
08:01<ajcc>petn-randall: ah, I see.
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08:04<inkbottle>in this line: cp debian.iso /dev/sdX; how do I know what sdX is?
08:05<jm_>try lsblk ; cat /proc/partitions
08:05<petn-randall>inkbottle: You'll have to find out which block device your usb stick is. One way is to look at the end of /var/log/kern.log after plugging in the device.
08:05<petn-randall>inkbottle: Note, it'll be something like /dev/sdb, not /dev/sdb1!
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08:06<inkbottle>petn-randall: good, done it
08:07<inkbottle>I don't have to be root, right?
08:08<jm_>depends on ownership/permissions on the device file
08:08<inkbottle>OK, seems I have to be root
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08:10<lindi-_>inkbottle: and be very careful or you will destroy your installation
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08:12<inkbottle>steady...
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08:20<inkbottle>OK, the usb stick seems OK, however yet again nothing happened, I tried twice
08:21<Echoz>inkbottle: what do you mean by "nothing happened"?
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08:22<inkbottle>Echoz: the usb stick is inserted at boot time, I can see it in the boot options, I select it, it goes for a 2 second stroll, and come back to the boot screen
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08:24<Echoz>inkbottle: were any file systems on the drive mounted, and did the copy succeed?
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08:24<inkbottle>OK, UEFI secure boot on...
08:24<inkbottle>have to change that
08:24<Echoz>inkbottle: that most likely is the problem
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08:35<inkbottle>Secure boot OFF, usb stick looks like a valid boot drive... yet still nothing happened
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08:38<Echoz>inkbottle: if you look at the partitions, do they look right?
08:38<Echoz>presumably one of the partitions should be only a little smaller than the ISO image
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08:42<inkbottle>Echoz: I've booted on an old usb stick (debian 8.5), but this through an alternate method... Now I want to cancel that install
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08:44<EmleyMoor>I'm trying to record using Audacity and a Behringer UCA222 - the recording level seems too low and I can't find a way to adjust it. Any advice?
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08:50<itd>EmleyMoor: Maybe one of the methods mentioned here: http://manual.audacityteam.org/man/faq_recording_how_to_s.html#What_is_an_optimal_recording_level_to_aim_for.3F
08:51<EmleyMoor>The recording volume slider is fixed at maximum!
08:51<Echoz>EmleyMoor: often there is a "mic boost" in alsamixer, have you checked there?
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08:53<EmleyMoor>The card has no input-related controls in that
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08:53<EmleyMoor>It worked fine on my old receiver
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08:55<inkbottle>So far I've been able to boot on an old debian 8.5 netinst usb stick (usb 2.0); but not on debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-kde-desktop.iso (usb stick 3.0)
08:55<inkbottle>the 2.0 3.0 shouldn't be an issue
08:55<inkbottle>both computers are not old
08:57<inkbottle>I'm going to try the usb stick on another computer
08:57<EmleyMoor>Any further clues?
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08:59<r8qt7>Hi,
08:59<r8qt7>we are using unattended upgrades
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08:59<EmleyMoor>Going to see what it sounds like if I record as is then Normalize
08:59<r8qt7>I am wondering where /etc/cron.daily/apt is in Debian Stretch?
08:59<r8qt7>The file seems to be gone
09:01<itd>r8qt7: #debian-next for testing, please.
09:01<r8qt7>ok hx
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09:07<inkbottle>Is there a way to check a usb boot stick?
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09:10<frapgrape>dd if=/dev/sdX | sha1sum
09:10<frapgrape>and check if it matches your iso
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09:11<petn-randall>frapgrape: nope
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09:11<petn-randall>frapgrape: That'll check the whole disk size, including the bytes beyond the ISO, resulting in a different hash.
09:11<petn-randall>lemme see if I find the factoid.
09:12<petn-randall>!check iso
09:12<dpkg>To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of «md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum». You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the ISO image on the mirror. See also <check iso signature>.
09:12<inkbottle>OK, there is a md5sum file on the disk itself
09:12<inkbottle>I'm running it now
09:12<petn-randall>inkbottle: ^^^ use the command above.
09:12<inkbottle>petn-randall: OK
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09:16<The-Grue>Hi! I'm trying to ask a question on the debian-user mailing list, but my mail doesn't arrive there :( I'm subsrcibed to the list, got my confirmation mail, but it seems my mails to the list just go to /dev/null. What could be wrong?
09:17<petn-randall>The-Grue: How are you checking they arrived?
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09:18<The-Grue>I'm checking https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/02/threads.html every 10 Minutes or so...
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09:19<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... this isn't good... looks like I need a new sound device
09:19<petn-randall>The-Grue: Might take a while for it to update.
09:19<petn-randall>The-Grue: What mail address are you sending from?
09:20<The-Grue>@petn-randall: I sent my mail at 14:22 (MEZ), so by now it should be there, shouldn't it?
09:20<The-Grue>The Mail is markus@the-grue.de
09:20<The-Grue>My mail server reports no error
09:21<petn-randall>The-Grue: If you got a confirmation mail, it's just a matter of time.
09:22<petn-randall>The-Grue: Might be that new users are delayed until the ML admin accepts them.
09:22<The-Grue>Ok. The confirmation was in october 2016.. maybe something happened in between?
09:23<petn-randall>The-Grue: I'd just wait a day, unless you are in a hurry.
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09:24<The-Grue>So I'll wait.
09:24<The-Grue>Wait... while checking the log of my mail server, I saw this one:
09:24<The-Grue>Feb 7 14:43:16 www postfix/qmgr[4860]: 3E98010C067: from=<bounce-debian-user=markus=the-grue.de@lists.debian.org>, size=5211, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
09:24<The-Grue>I don't know what it means...
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09:26<Yggdrasil>hello
09:26<itd>Yggdrasil: Hello.
09:26<Yggdrasil>is it the place to get some help with debian ?
09:27<petn-randall>Yggdrasil: yes
09:27<The-Grue>Great, bounced because of flooding = pasting one line of log... And paste.debian.net denies the connection.
09:27<itd>Yggdrasil: If you use debian stable, yes.
09:27<Yggdrasil>stable ? i've just download the 8, don't know if he is stable
09:27<petn-randall>The-Grue: Four lines in less than a second. Yes, that gets you kicked.
09:27<itd>Yggdrasil: 8 is current stable.
09:28<The-Grue>(angel)
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09:28<Yggdrasil>great !
09:28<Yggdrasil>but i actually can't access to the settings.
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09:29<Yggdrasil>i mean gnome-control-center, not the personalisation tool
09:30<itd>Yggdrasil: That is unfortunate. How do you try to access it? What happens?
09:30<Yggdrasil>can somebody help me ?
09:30<Yggdrasil>i tried with the panel in the right top corner
09:30<Yggdrasil>nothing happens
09:30<Yggdrasil>after i tried with the terminal
09:31<Yggdrasil>he returns "bus error"
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09:33<Yggdrasil>i warn you, this gonna be laborious, i haven't done english since high school...
09:33<itd>Yggdrasil: Is there another language you would prefer to use?
09:34<Yggdrasil>french ? ahahah
09:34<itd>!fr
09:34<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
09:34<itd>Yggdrasil: ^ if you want. ;)
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09:35<Yggdrasil>dpkg: they're all dead there
09:35<dpkg>Yggdrasil: are you smoking crack?
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09:35<itd>Yggdrasil: dpkg is a bot. Either dead or busy.
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09:36<itd>Yggdrasil: Could you please copy the complete terminal output (when you run gnome-control-center) to paste.debian.net? (And then post the link here.)
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09:36<Yggdrasil>yep
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09:40<Yggdrasil>itd: http://paste.debian.net/913192
09:41<inkbottle>petn-randall: it may be there is an issue with debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-kde-desktop.iso; because its md5sum's OK, also tried it on another usb stick: both cases: nothing. In contrast netinst 8.5 works every times!
09:41<inkbottle>going to try netinst 8.7
09:42<Echoz>inkbottle: if you are not legacy boot, you can't use any of the live images
09:42<Yggdrasil>itd: yesterday i spent a long time trying install the adobe flash plugin and it's the only thing i've done on my computer.
09:43<inkbottle>Echoz: WWhat???!
09:43<Echoz>inkbottle: Live images lack UEFI support
09:43<petn-randall>inkbottle: The live images are not good for installing Debian, they're still in development and get a lot less testing than the installers.
09:43<inkbottle>ahhh ahh ahh
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09:43<itd>Yggdrasil: Did it work yesterday (before you tried to install flash)?
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09:45<inkbottle>Echoz: petn-randall: Ok. thxx
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09:54<inkbottle>During the install I will need "iwlwifi" firmware. How do I manage that? Is it possible to add it on the same usb stick?
09:54<inkbottle>I do have an usb-rj45 adapter though
09:54<inkbottle>but dont know if it ll be ok
09:55<blast007>inkbottle: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en
09:55<inkbottle>OK
09:55<Echoz>inkbottle: I usually just get the image with firmware included, to be honest
09:55<inkbottle>Echoz: where do you find them?
09:55<inkbottle>it
09:56<Echoz>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.7.1+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/
09:56<inkbottle>OK
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09:57<Echoz>pretty useful when you have a bunch of thinkpads that all require firmware for wifi
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10:25<sh1f7>Does the creative common website have pretty good books on learning programming languages?
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10:28<SynrG>not a debian support question. maybe ask on #debian-offtopic?
10:31<sh1f7>Will do, thanks SynrG
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11:01<infinity0>i have a degraded raid array of disks connected over usb
11:02<infinity0>the problem is when i try to --add the failed one back it, it causes it to disconnect immediately
11:03<infinity0>https://paste.debian.net/913215/
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11:29<inkbottle>EFI boot drive still need "mbr"? (https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-flexible)
11:30<inkbottle>what is the "format" of a bootable EFI drive?
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11:48<agentp[m]>Are you particular about preparing a USB stick manually as described in that section, or would you be content with just doing it the easy way so long as you can boot in efi mode?
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11:57<inkbottle>agentp[m]: I'm trying to learn along the way; anyway, install-mbr told me it couldn't install mbr due to: "Probable detection of modern MBR format which is currently incompatible with install-mbr"; so I skip directly to the install through http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.7.1+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/
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11:58<inkbottle>I'm wondering, since I already have a system installed, I'll probably have to make room. at what stage do I do that?
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12:04<agentp[m]>inkbottle: I was going to suggest that the netinstall iso images are able to boot in uefi mode as is so it would just be a matter of dding it onto an available usb stick. I understand the sentiment of wanting to learn along the way. I wish I could offer you more assistance in that respect, but unfortunately I don't know more myself. For that I do apologize.
12:05<agentp[m]>the netinstall image you just linked should work as is in uefi mode.
12:06<inkbottle>tx
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12:06<blast007>inkbottle: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-isohybrid
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12:38<r4f_debian>Hi all
12:38<ajcc>hi r4f_debian
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12:41<r4f_debian>Hi ajcc :) Nice to meet you here !
12:43<inkbottle>OK, so I'm in the install 8.7.1; I'm now at stage "partition the disks"
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12:43<inkbottle>And I already have a system installed, and actually probably no room left
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12:44<inkbottle>should I select "Manual"?
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12:45<inkbottle>can I resize from within the installer, or...?
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12:48<agentp[m]>inkbottle: select manual partitioning. The console partition editor will allow to resize your existing partitions including windows fat/ntfs filesystems.
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12:48<agentp[m]>inkbottle: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/apas03.html.en
12:49<inkbottle>...
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12:54<inkbottle>agentp[m]: If you choose manual partitioning, you can use the installer to resize existing FAT or NTFS partitions to create room for the Debian install: simply select the partition and specify its new size
12:54<inkbottle>I don't see where I can specify size
12:55<inkbottle>I see erase, delete, and done
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12:55<agentp[m]>inkbottle: there should be an option to 'edit'
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12:56<agentp[m]>inkbottle: as far as i can remember any how
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12:57<agentp[m]>inkbottle: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#partman-auto
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12:58<agentp[m]>this page has more detailed info on using the partition editor in debian-installer
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13:02<somiaj>You may have to load partman as a seperate udeb componenent, I know some of the tools aren't loaded by defautl and may need expert mode to load them
13:02<inkbottle>OK, there's sth weired I have to check (...)
13:02<inkbottle>I haven't actually activated W8
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13:04<inkbottle>windows work however and tells me there is a ntfs partition of 106 Go
13:04<inkbottle>crypted with bitlocker
13:05<inkbottle>but debian tells me there is no FS on that partition
13:05<inkbottle>somiaj: OK, thanks for partman
13:05<somiaj>well debian may not be able to see the encrypted data and not know what to do with it
13:06<agentp[m]>yea
13:06<agentp[m]>debian, and most distros for that matter don
13:06<agentp[m]>*don't include the tools to read bitlocker encrypted drives by default
13:06<agentp[m]>http://blog.airbuscybersecurity.com/post/2016/01/Mounting-Bitlocker-Volumes-Under-Linux
13:07<agentp[m]>there's this tool, dislocker on github that should do it
13:07<inkbottle>...
13:07<agentp[m]>but you will have to install it after you setup debian, or in some live environment
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13:08<inkbottle>OK, so probably the easy way is to abort the install, resize with windows; then resume debian install...
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13:16<Inbottle>'ve been disconnected, Im back
13:17<ajcc>welcome back
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13:22<agentp[m]>Inbottle: I'm not aware of any tool within windows that will allow you to resize the partition. If its feasible for you it might just be easier to disable bitlocker in windows, and then use a live linux tool such as gparted or parted to resize the windows partition.
13:23<agentp[m]>After that, it should be quite trivial to resume your debian install, and re-enable bitlocker in windows.
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13:25<Inbottle>agentp[m]: well it seems it's possible (under w8), however it doesn't want to shrink it under env. 70Go, leaving only 30Go for linux; I rather had the contrary in mind
13:26<Inbottle>and I don't know how to remove bitlocker
13:26<Inbottle>in fact I know nothing about windows... nevermind
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13:28<agentp[m]>Inbottle: if its possible then that's excellent. Strange that its unable to shrink below 70 GB though. Did you verify that your existing windows install isn't taking up ~70 GB?
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13:29<agentp[m]>Inbottle: The process of disabling bitlocker is described here: http://windowsreport.com/disable-bitlocker-windows-8/
13:29<agentp[m]>Inbottle: might be worth a shot should you decide to go that route.
13:30<Inbottle>yes
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13:31<blast007>it's possible there is some 'unmovable' file near the 70GB mark. "You cannot shrink a volume beyond the point where any unmovable files are located."
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13:32<agentp[m]>alright, well i don't have any other suggestions on the windows side of things. In my experience gparted, or parted under linux works much better for resizing partitions provided that said partitions are unencrypted.
13:32<agentp[m]>what blast007 said also makes a lot of sense so there's that.
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13:43<Inbottle>blast007: hi, was on another screen
13:43<Inbottle>that's what is says
13:44<Inbottle>agentp[m]: I can't de activate bitlocker, because it's not really activated: I'll have to activate windows...
13:44<Inbottle>I think Ill do that to morrow
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13:45<Inbottle>or in some time at least
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13:47<Inbottle>1000 tx for the huge help... (so many people helped, I can't say names...); I'll be back later...
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13:47<agentp[m]>Inbottle: best of luck
13:47<Inbottle>:)
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15:41<scootergrisen>Are there a way to change desktop enviroment without having to close all the open windows?
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15:41<scootergrisen>Like if i want to switch from GNOME to Xfce or something like that without having to loose all the open windows
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15:42<scootergrisen>From command line i can use something like gnome-session -r (-r for replace) but are there other ways?
15:42<amacater>Not sure if you can switch to the next virtual desktop - but it's probably not easy to do because the environment you boot up shapes all your windows and so on
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15:43<amacater>logout and log back in? You can keep say KDE desktiop, log out, select gnome, get your gnome desktop ... that's the only way I can think of doing it.
15:43<amacater>Each desktop environment can maintain its own settings
15:44<scootergrisen>But logging out closes the windows
15:44<amacater>I think that's unavoidable :(
15:45<scootergrisen>-r (replace) can do it but then if i close the terminal i write it in im in trouble
15:46<scootergrisen>How about running two desktop enviriments at the same time? One on TTY1 and the other on TTY2?
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15:46<scootergrisen>I can run in gnome-boxes or virtual box but then i dont have access to the same files
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15:50<scootergrisen>How about switching user in gnome? It seems i have to log out to be able to select another user
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15:53<retrospectacus>you can start a new X session on TTY8. man xinit
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15:57<iobound>hi, on planet.debian.org there's a huge post saying "Hacked by sa3d hack3d"
15:58<madduck>yes, pitti was hacked.
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16:10<AAccount>are there any service, daemons, processes that would modify the iptables output chain?
16:11<AAccount>basically i discovered this https://serverfault.com/questions/831157/unusual-firewall-rules this morning
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16:12<AAccount>running latest debian 8 fully updated and patched
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16:36<lindi-_>AAccount: how many times has this happened?
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16:36<AAccount>just once
16:36<AAccount>some time between yesterday afternoon and 7:35 this morning
16:36<lindi-_>AAccount: are you the only admin?
16:36<AAccount>yes
16:36<AAccount>my home server
16:38<Walex>AAccount: there are several daemons that update dynamically the 'iptables'...
16:38<AAccount>which ones would those be. i've been racking my brain over how this could've happened
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16:39<Walex>AAccount: you can start by observing that the 'pkts' field is not zero, so there has been traffic between those IP addresses... Quite a bit too.
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16:40<AAccount>yes, seems weird. i thought the 127.0.0.0/8 was for loopback adapters
16:40<Walex>AAccount: so you need to track down how/when/who setup those IP addresses.
16:40<lindi-_>Walex: it says ! there
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16:40<AAccount>i have a firewall rule that bans WAN packets in the 127.0.0.0/8 space
16:40<AAccount>that rule didn't trip
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16:41<lindi-_>AAccount: what sort of vpn do you have?
16:41<Walex>lindi-_: yes, that counts the packets that did not go betweeen those two addresses. But the addresses are very specific.
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16:41<AAccount>softether vpn
16:41<lindi-_>that's not part of debian 8?
16:41<AAccount>specifically https://github.com/AAccount/SoftEtherVPN
16:41<lindi-_>https://www.softether.org/ says ""The service is unavailable.""
16:41<AAccount>i made a few changes to enforce tls 1.2
16:43<AAccount>it's been like that since a few days ago. did they get hacked or some kind of vulnerability exposed and exploited
16:43<AAccount>(softether website been like that)
16:44<AAccount>am i looking at doing a full debian 8 reinstall?
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16:45<lindi-_>AAccount: try searching for that 127.68.53.96 from your filesystem
16:45<lindi-_>AAccount: something like sudo find / -xdev -print0|xargs -0 fgrep 127.68.53.96
16:46<AAccount>running...
16:47<AAccount>as a preliminary diagnoses, am i looking at something malicious?
16:47<lindi-_>AAccount: it's the vpn
16:47<lindi-_>AAccount: git grep connmark shows
16:47<lindi-_>AAccount: src/Cedar/NativeStack.c: "-p tcp --tcp-flags RST RST --sport %u:%u ! -s %r/32 ! -d %r/32 -m connmark ! --mark 0x%x -j DROP",
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16:48<AAccount>the vpn's local bridge wasn't working a few days ago so i reconfigured it
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16:48<AAccount>and tested it a few times from my android
16:48<AAccount>a few days ago
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16:50<AAccount>well the timing and when i did the retesting of the vpn seems to strongly hint at that
16:50<AAccount>I can see here https://github.com/AAccount/SoftEtherVPN/blob/master/src/Cedar/NativeStack.c
16:51<AAccount>that it makes both of those
16:52<AAccount>well that's a load off my mind. is the moral of the story create a backup image of the server for a quick recovery when something bad does happen?
16:53<lindi-_>AAccount: always a good idea
16:53<AAccount>thanks so much for your help guys
16:53<AAccount>i can literally sleep easy later tonight
16:54<lindi-_>no problem
16:54<AAccount>couldn't concentrate the whole day at school
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17:52<grit>trying to compile a gnu program I ran into the old gtk-config issue. where is it now? apt-file did not help and also not https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=jessie&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=gtk-config
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17:55<GLolol>grit: what exactly does the error message look like?
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17:57<grit>I jave libgtk2.0-dev and libgtk-3-dev installed, but not gtk1.2. the configure script explains: checking for gtk-config... no \ checking for GTK - version >= 1.2.0... no *** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found
17:58<lindi-_>grit: gtk 1.2 is ancient
17:59<lindi-_>grit: I doubt it it supported by debian anymore
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18:00<lindi-_>grit: removed 8 years ago: https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gtk+1.2/news/20090808T163910Z.html
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18:05<grit>this issue was solved but the solution does no longer work: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/gtk-config-and-glib-config-scripts-not-found-34815/
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18:09<grit>!gtk
18:09<dpkg>GTK+ (GIMP Tool Kit) is a cross-platform toolkit for creating graphical interfaces. GTK+ themes can be previewed and changed using the gtk-chtheme and gtk-theme-switch utilities. http://www.gtk.org/ #gtk+ on irc.gnome.org.
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18:09<grit>isn't it possible to make old configure scripts happy?
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18:11<grit>https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/05/msg02377.html - same question with no useful answer
18:11<tomg>grit, what gtk program are you trying to compile?
18:12<tomg>you can update the program in question if you know coding
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18:13<grit>today i got a message that ggradebook has been ported to gtk3 and thought "hey, let me try it", which not so easy
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18:14<grit>how to compile gtk1.2 programs with gtk3 then?
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18:17<GLolol>grit: you can't directly do that - every major gtk version bump means that old code needs to be adapted/ported
18:17<GLolol>if there's a gtk3 port like you said, why not try that?
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18:22<tomg>I'd go to GTK+ 2, but I think you do need to update the source code to do that
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18:22<tomg>building GLib/GTK 1.2 is a distant possibility, but it seems counter-intuitive
18:22<tomg>like, not a long term solution I mean
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18:26<grit>GLolol: tomg please have a look at http://www.norbertdejonge.nl/Ggradebook/ChangeLog.txt https://www.gnu.org/software/ggradebook "Migrated from GTK+ 1.2 to GTK+ 3.18."
18:27<GLolol>i don't see any new download links on gnu.org, but http://www.norbertdejonge.nl/Ggradebook/ looks new
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18:34<pims>Hey guys
18:37<retrospectacus>pims
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18:37<pims>Yep ?
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18:41<tomg>I'd still port it to GTK+ 2 ;)
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18:45<datacrusher>Hello everyone. I cloned a debian machine I have using clonezilla, but the target machine fails to boot. It points "Unable to find LVM volume ..."
18:45<datacrusher>So I booted up a live cd, I can see the pvs and vgs from the live machine
18:45<datacrusher>but, after the failed boot on initramfs the vgcanghe -ay cant find the VG
18:46<datacrusher>I tryied some different options on clonezilla, but the results are the same
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18:46<datacrusher>Is there something that must be done when cloning a machine that uses LVM?
18:46<grit>my fault. the current release is at http://www.norbertdejonge.nl/software/Ggradebook-0.92.tar.gz - i was trying https://mirror.bibleonline.ru/gnu/ggradebook/ggradebook-0.91.tar.g
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18:50<tomg>datacrasher, I don't know what pvs and vgs are and I haven't used the other two, but
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18:50<tomg>maybe there is something else that must be done, yeah :)
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18:52<grit>datacrusher: can you activate the volumes from the live system?
18:53<canay>gua voz seis malucos
18:53<datacrusher>yes
18:54<canay>voz aceptaos
18:54<datacrusher>with the live cd, I can see it via pvdislpay, pvs, lvs, activate it and browse on the files if I mount it
18:55<grit>datacrusher: can you chroot into your system and install grub from there?
18:55<canay>i ten off the 4
18:55<datacrusher>well, grub is avaiable alread on the machine
18:55<canay>nou
18:55<datacrusher>It prompts grub before hangs searching for the LVM volumes
18:56<canay>you and mua
18:56<canay>VS
18:57<grit>datacrusher: grub-install will setup grub to find the new LVM but you need to install it from inside the LVM I think.
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18:58<canay>wat time its
18:58<datacrusher>the lvm> prompt on initramfs cant find the volumes though,
18:58<datacrusher>is there any admins on this channel?
18:59<canay>nou español
18:59<canay>voz
18:59<grit>!es
18:59<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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19:00<canay>baibay
19:00<grit>adios
19:00<canay>por fin hablais español
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19:01<canay>tenquiu por su atenchion
19:01<canay>baibai
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19:03<canay>voz ser main
19:03<grit>!lvm
19:03<dpkg>[lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net.
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19:07<C67>anybody here running xen-kernel?
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19:12<pims>not me
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21:31<ol1g4rchy>heyo
21:33<ol1g4rchy>I got a dumb question - when it comes to lemonbar, are the config files or skeleton examples of config files supposed to be generated in my home directory by default?
21:34<somiaj>Common places to look for info is the manpage, or /usr/share/doc/packagename
21:35<somiaj>I can't say for your example, you may find a webpage/wiki for lemonbar more useful for getting that info.
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21:36<ol1g4rchy>I was looking on wiki and docs but there was no mention of it. Not sure if I should 'mkdir scripts' in my home directory either. Ugh.
21:37<somiaj>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lemonbar
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21:37<somiaj>google gave this, seems you need to pipe info to it
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21:40<somiaj>I don't see any config files provided by the package. Run this command 'dpkg status lemonbar' -- does it say anything about conffiles
21:40<somiaj>sorry, dpkg --status lemonbar
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21:48<ol1g4rchy>somiaj: I appreciate your help, unfortanatley dpkg --status lemonbar returned with nothing I assume because I compiled it from its git repo and didnt install it as a package.
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21:49<somiaj>Anyways then you'll have to ask upstream what they provided. The git repo seems fairly empty and contains no configs that I saw, and the debian package doesn't contain any in the package list I looked at, though I am unsure if conffiles are listed in the list I saw.
21:52<ol1g4rchy>Ricing community isn't too big on documentation - I guess mainly because you are less 1337 if you can't figure it out yourself
21:55<ryouma>i use computers to use them
21:55<somiaj>ol1g4rchy: the arch wiki + manpage seemed to be the docs I see that would be the most useful, but I didn't see any clear examples of more complete scripts for the bar.
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21:58<ol1g4rchy>ryouma: I don't disagree but learning about all different ways to customize and utilize computers is more or less a hobby of mine
21:59<ryouma>good hobby sure
21:59<ol1g4rchy>somiaj: Arch wiki is helpful overall but can't pertain to all OS's (obviously) and also doesn't go to in depth because it assumes there is more documentation out there
22:00<somiaj>the manpage seemed to be fairly detailed to me, leanring to read them is useful.
22:00<somiaj>but as to your original problem, no it doesn't appear a sample config/example is provided
22:01<ol1g4rchy>somiaj: No manpage/info/help for lemonbar brings anything up - thats why I came here to ask
22:01<somiaj>ol1g4rchy: since you aren't using the debian package hard to say, the debian package has a manpage
22:02<somiaj>https://github.com/LemonBoy/bar -- also github has a manpage
22:02<somiaj>and if you compiled it from source you probably have Readme.pod which appears to be the manpage
22:03<somiaj>but maybe you need a tool that has more examples and documentation
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