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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-02-16

---Logopened Thu Feb 16 00:00:47 2017
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01:10<annadane>what's the process for screen reader in the task manager so i can kill it?
01:10<annadane>(xfce)
01:13<annadane>ah, found it
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03:02<kolokoport>hi guys, i need some advice regarding sources list for stretch. I use the sources generator from here: https://debgen.simplylinux.ch/# - and i'm not sure for the second category - security and proposed
03:02<kolokoport>should i enable them both?
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03:04<jm_>topic says: testing/unstable: #debian-next
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03:09<zoomgry>in alsamixer sound speakers is set to 0.0, not muted, but I can not increase it. no sound. jessie. it did not work before. user is in audio group already. what can I do?
03:10<jm_>why would it work now if it did not work before?
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03:10<zoomgry>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
03:10<zoomgry>jm_: the question is why it does not work at all in the first place :-)
03:11<jm_>zoomgry: do you see it in cat /proc/asound/cards ?
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03:12<zoomgry>HDA Intel at 0xfe700000 irq 45
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03:13<zoomgry>^ from the cat command you gave
03:13<jm_>I bet it says more than that, put it on pastebin together with 'amixer scontents'
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03:14<zoomgry>http://paste.debian.net/plain/914791
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03:18<jm_>can you increate the volume using amixer?
03:18<zoomgry>no, it stays 0.0
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03:18<zoomgry>no, i lie
03:18<zoomgry>i can't increase it using alsamixer; i have no idea how to use amixer
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03:20<jm_>try amixer sset Master 50%
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03:23<zoomgry>http://paste.debian.net/plain/914794
03:23<zoomgry>[off] ?
03:26<jm_>off means it's muted
03:26<jm_>add unmute
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03:27<zoomgry>works now, umuted, sound plays, thanks jm_ , will ask again if it stops working after reboot
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03:28<jm_>no problem
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04:47<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... my main reason for nn
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04:48<EmleyMoor>using Hacker's Keyboard on old phones does not apply to my new one
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05:26<abd32>Hello, I'm watching an mp4 file in my browser - how can I detect the IP of the server it is being streamed from? (It is from a CDN, so I need to know the IP of the specific edge server). Thank you!
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05:27<itd>abd32: Which browser do you use?
05:28<abd32>itd: chrome
05:28<abd32>itd: actually I wanted to check it on the system level... maybe through sockets?
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05:29<abd32>itd: I do see certain IP in the browser (inspect element -> network -> headers), but I doubt it and want to get another confirmation
05:29<itd>abd32: Try "netstat -peanut | grep chrom".
05:30<abd32>itd: I tried ss |grep IP_from_chrome - but I get no results
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05:32<itd>abd32: What is 'ss'?
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05:34<abd32>checks sockets
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05:35<itd>abd32: Thanks. After a look at 'man ss' I'd suggest to add '-n' to the call.
05:36<itd>abd32: Maybe also '-a'.
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05:44<abd32>itd: your suggestion seems to work better
05:44<abd32>its just don't find chrome - I tried with icewiesel and it is being detected by netstat
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05:46<itd>abd32: Are you sure it is chrome and not chromium?
05:47<abd32>yes chromium
05:48<abd32>but it doesn't work also
05:48<itd>abd32: Did you try it as root?
05:48<abd32>yes, also nothing
05:48<abd32>but icewiesel worked, it is porbably enough. it indeed confirms the IP
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05:51<abd32>itd: thank you!
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05:52<itd>abd32: np. :)
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06:14<EmleyMoor>I need to create a new key in gpg using SHA-256 algorithm - for some reason it seems to be defaulting to MD5
06:17<grawity>if you mean the algorithm used by self-signatures, try "cert-digest-algo SHA256" in the config
06:18<grawity>though the current gpg versions don't even accept MD5 for *verification*, last I checked
06:18<grawity>it's odd they'd default to it for making self-signatures
06:19<grummund>How to configure apt to connect direct if the proxy is unavailable?
06:19*grummund tried - Acquire::http::Proxy::Timeout "2";
06:19<grummund>but it appears to make no difference
06:21<EmleyMoor>grawity: I mean whatever I need to do to get rid of the deprecation warning when I create a new key
06:22<EmleyMoor>gpg: WARNING: digest algorithm MD5 is deprecated
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06:30<pdo_fn14>Is't possible to using amdgpu driver in Debian now?.
06:30<EmleyMoor>Ah - found it - it was a backward compatibility option I still had enabled.
06:31<pdo_fn14>Or maybe you guys want to following OpenSUSE folks plan for free AMD driver only?.
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06:35<jm_>pdo_fn14: you mean non-free driver?
06:36<pdo_fn14>jm_: yeah, is't Debian will support AMD hybrid driver?.
06:37<jm_>pdo_fn14: I have no idea what an AMD hybrid driver is supposed to be, I only know about free and non-free drivers
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06:50<alkisg>Hi, I'm trying to import https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/ldm.git/ into launchpad, and I'm getting a certificate error: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/306676857/alkisg-ltsp-ltsp-debian-packaging-bzr.log
06:50<alkisg>bzrlib.errors.CertificateError: Certificate error: hostname 'anonscm.debian.org' doesn't match either of '*.alioth.debian.org', 'alioth.debian.org'
06:50<alkisg>Are there any alternative URLs that I could use to clone that git, that end in alioth.debian.org?
06:51<alkisg>(so that the certificate is valid...)
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06:55<tshepang>is there a way to turn the package debian-installer-9-netboot-amd64 into an ISO myself
06:55<tshepang>I want to modify it
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06:58<Brigo>tshepang, first time i see that package. It looks like it only install a buch of files.
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06:59<jm_>info about building your own images is here https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
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07:02<tshepang>jm_, can't find that info from that page
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07:02<jm_>tshepang: click on the Wiki link
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07:02<tshepang>kool
07:03<jm_>→ Build your own Debian CDs with this ...
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07:07<tshepang>ok, I managed to build my own mini.so
07:08<tshepang>how do I add arbitrary files onto it
07:08<tshepang>I want to add a script that will be executed via preseed/late_command
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07:58<isaagar>jm_: ok
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08:59<upineda>hola
09:00<upineda>donde estas
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09:04<Machine>Hola
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10:14<ozra>Hello everyone!
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10:16<ozra>I've installed Debian 9 testing / stretch on a home dev server, after determining from reading through the release critical bugs, that it would be less problems than any other option for getting the versions of packages I needed for arduino C++11 dev amongst other).
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10:19<ozra>I'm just having one problem: I'm booting with the old grub2 on another root (since there was some mentioning in bugs-list of grub troubles). This works fine, with kernel 3.16.0-4-amd64 (the one that cam in with deb jessie 8.7 which is all that was installed before upgrade), but if I boot with kernel 4.9.0-1-amd64 all hell breaks loose after just a second of booting.
10:20<blast007>note that testing/unstable is supported in #debian-next
10:20<ozra>Aha, so I'm in the wrong channel?
10:21<petn-randall>ozra: I recommend upgrading also grub2, but let's continue the discussion in #debian-next.
10:21<ozra>I'll repost my posts there for consistency.
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10:31<Miro>15:39] <Miro> manage fdisk, set dual boot, load the image osx & set/unset journaling
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10:32<Miro>hi people
10:32<Miro>somez aware on this
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10:35<Miro>love & peace
10:35<Miro>sanders was the croqueta
10:35<Miro>larga vida
10:35<petn-randall>Hi Miro, do you have a Debian support question?
10:36<Miro>please
10:36<Miro>petn-randall
10:36<Miro>hi
10:38<annadane>what are you trying to dual boot, miro?
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10:41<annadane>if you prefer there's a spanish channel:
10:41<annadane>!es
10:41<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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10:47<annadane>i think your other questions are descriptive enough but "manage fdisk" is a little vague
10:47<Miro>debian 8.6 searching the v
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11:03<Miro>fdisk ok
11:03<Miro>dual boot
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11:04<Miro>some smart on dual boot..
11:04<annadane>wonder if this works
11:04<annadane>!dualboot
11:04<dpkg>This describes a system that can boot to two different OSs. Some, like Windows XP and 7, allow for dual booting when installed. There is commercial programs that install a special boot partition capable of launching OSs from other partitions, to boot more than two OSs on the same machine. see <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>
11:05<annadane>!dualbootguide
11:05<annadane>i think you need to message dpkg for that
11:06<annadane>but anyway, wiki.debian.org i know has some articles on it, if you want to search there, or maybe someone who knows better than i can can explain
11:06<blast007>!dual boot guide
11:06<dpkg>A guide for setting up dual boot with Windows 7 can be found at http://linuxcommando.blogspot.ca/2013/12/dual-booting-debian-wheezy-and-windows-7.html . Also ask me about <fixmbr>, <supergrub>.
11:07<annadane>ah, i didn't know if spaces worked with !
11:07<annadane>but yeah the thing is, i think it might depend on what it is you're trying to dual boot
11:07<annadane>the process might be different
11:07<annadane>which is why i asked what is it are you trying to dual boot
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11:11<annadane>as i said miro, if it's easier for you to explain yourself in spanish there's a spanish channel at #debian-es
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11:11<annadane>which i presume is your first language
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11:22<Miro>annadane thanks
11:23<Miro>mi first was a laugh
11:23<Miro>i got scared by the face
11:24<Miro>and reboot
11:24<Miro>to sleep
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11:25<Miro>can u imagine the face, It made me laugh!
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11:25<annadane>this is a support channel, and this is getting off topic
11:25<tomcres>!ops Miro spamming channel
11:25<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: tomcres complains about: Miro spamming channel
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11:51<user01>hi i was curious what Perl devs do who use Debian -- do you use cpanm to install packages or do you find it in cpanm and then try to find the equivalent packages in apt?
11:52<petn-randall>user01: I prefer using apt packages where possible, regardless of language.
11:53<petn-randall>user01: Because then the burden of maintaining that software and ensuring there are security updates, etc. is taken away from me.
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11:55<user01>petn-randall, ok and then probably for bleeding edge you use perlbrew
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13:17<drsmooth>anyone running snmptt or snmptrapd? I can't seem to get it to work right
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13:19<musca>drsmooth: the more details, the more answers
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13:22<drsmooth>fair enough... i am running snmpd and snmptrapd and snmptt. I can get snmptrapd to log to syslog, but it doesn't seem to hand of to snmptt at all. snmptt debugs logs show no traps received period
13:23<drsmooth>well actually that's not exactly true. now snmptt.debug is showing "Invalid trap file. Expected a serial time on the first line but got nothing"
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13:32<drsmooth>ugh...i lied again. as of this morning it does show "Total traps received=24453". So the handoff is probably working, but the format is not correct
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13:32<drsmooth>i was hoping someone might be willing to share some configs
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13:37<drsmooth>i do see /var/spool/snmptt/#snmptt-trap-1487202914951327 and it is empty... so..hrm
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13:43<bobert>how i can install a new browser [terminal comand
13:43<blast007>what browser do you want?
13:43<bobert>Chromium
13:44<blast007>apt-get install chromium
13:44<bobert>thx
13:45<blast007>if you instead just want a newer version of Firefox, you can get that as well. Instructions here: http://mozilla.debian.net/
13:47<bobert>whose is the simple browser from parrot os ?
13:47<blast007>!parrot
13:47<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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13:54<drsmooth>ok, i figured it out.. it appears to a problem with my test scenario. VMware test trap doesn'
13:54<drsmooth>t work
13:54<drsmooth>but "sudo snmptrap -v 1 -c public 127.0.0.1 .1.3.6.1 localhost 6 17 '' .1.3.6.1 s "Just a test"" does
13:54<drsmooth>sorry for the noise
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14:25<bobert>what nane have parrot channel ?
14:25<bobert>name *
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14:33<amacater>!parrot
14:33<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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14:33<Siecje>I added a more recent repository for nginx so I could install a newer version when doing `sudo apt-get install nginx` on Debian 8 Jessie. Now I'm getting a complaint about nginx when I try to install anything. https://dpaste.de/Katr
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14:37<blast007>!dotdeb
14:37<dpkg>http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>.
14:37<blast007>https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
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14:38<Siecje>blast007: What do you do when you need a newer version than what is provided by debian?
14:38<blast007>Siecje: there is already a newer version of nginx in jessie-backports
14:39<blast007>,v nginx
14:39<Siecje>right which I think is the problem.
14:39<judd>Package: nginx on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1.6.2-5+deb8u4; jessie: 1.6.2-5+deb8u4; jessie-backports: 1.9.10-1~bpo8+4; sid: 1.10.1-1; stretch: 1.10.2-4; sid: 1.10.3-1; experimental: 1.11.2-1~exp1; experimental: 1.11.9-1~exp2
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14:39<Siecje>blast007: So how can I use the jessie-backports version?
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14:40<blast007>so my suggestion would be to remove whatever you installed from dotdeb (if anything), remove the dotdeb repo, add jessie-backports, run 'apt-get update', and then install nginx from backports
14:40<blast007>https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
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14:41<Siecje>blast007: Thanks, in this case I think 1.9.10 should be new enough ( I know I need at least 1.7.5) but I currently have 1.10.0. What would you do in the case that you need a newer version than is available in -backports?
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14:43<blast007>sometimes you can backport from sid, but around freeze/release time, I believe that's generally gonna be similar to what is in testing (which is what backports for the current stable pull from)
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14:47<Siecje>blast007: dotdeb was for redis, nginx was from nginx.org
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14:49<blast007>redis-server is also in jessie-backports, version 3.2.6
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14:51<Siecje>I uninstalled, removed nginx.org from /etc/apt/sources.list added jessie-backport and ran `apt-get install nginx` and it seemed to pull from dotdeb. But I am now able to install things, I guess I need to remove dotdeb
14:51<retrospectacus>if you want support here, yes. You can do what you want :)
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14:54<Siecje>thanks
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15:10<espectalll[m]>Howdy there! Nice you meet you ^-^
15:10<espectalll[m]>Mind if I ask a question on Stretch?
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15:10<retrospectacus>stretch support is in #debian-next
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15:12<abcook>hello
15:12<dextrous>hello
15:12<dextrous>how are you ??
15:13<abcook>could someone please help me with a debian live install?
15:13<dextrous>yeah sure
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15:13<dextrous>why do you want to do ..
15:13<abcook>i have the IOS
15:13<dextrous>i mean what
15:13<abcook>ISO i mean]'
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15:14<dextrous>cool
15:14<dextrous>are you using windows or linux
15:14<abcook>debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-lxde-desktop.iso
15:14<abcook>i am in linux mint right now and want to create a bootable USB
15:15<dextrous>oh use dd command
15:15<abcook>but every time i try, the computer can't see the boot on the USB
15:15<towo`>cat debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-lxde-desktop.iso > /dev/sdX
15:15<dextrous>google for command sudo dd
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15:15<towo`>abcook, if you use uefi, you can't use that live-media, because it doesn't have uefi-support
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15:16<abcook>thats rediculous
15:16<towo`>why?
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15:16<abcook>"/efi/boot" are created
15:16<abcook>are not i mean
15:16<Echoz>abcook: use the netinstall if you want uefi
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15:17<abcook>okay, thanks
15:17<dextrous>yeah or else simpley download unetbootin
15:17<towo`>no!
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15:17<abcook>well i tried unetbootin
15:17<towo`>dextrous, stop talking nonsense
15:17<abcook>but that is not the problem
15:17<retrospectacus>"cat" or "cp" are the commands to use. "dd" is not recommended. Any other tool will almost certainly not work. Especially unetbootin
15:17<towo`>unetbootin soes not work with isohybrif
15:18<towo`>*isohybrid
15:18<dextrous>cool
15:18<abcook>uefi has to see /efi/boot
15:18<abcook>what doesn't debian support that?
15:18<towo`>and again, if you system boots with uefi, you can't use debian-live
15:18<abcook>every OS in the last 10 years does
15:18<towo`>use the debian-installer isos
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15:19<dboles>every OS also offered BIOS modes until very recently (i.e Win 8/10 removed it i think)
15:19<dboles>lol ok
15:19<Echoz>retrospectacus: what? anything that sends the data to stdout will work
15:19<towo`>dboles, wrong
15:19<dboles>towo`: because?
15:19<towo`>even win10 does not need uefi, it boots with bios fine
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15:20<dboles>oh cool, thanks
15:20<retrospectacus>Echoz: yeah. Like "cat" - what else do you recommend?
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15:21<dextrous>towo windows 10 with bios is only for desktops but it uses uefi in laptops and any other systems
15:21<Echoz>retrospectacus: pv is nice, but the point i had is that "any other tool will almost certainly not work" is misinformation
15:21<towo`>dextrous, wrong
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15:22<dextrous>Explain ??
15:22<Echoz>dextrous: any computer that boots the installation medium in BIOS mode will get a BIOS compatible installation
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15:22<towo`>my laptop, bundled with win8, can easy run with bios
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15:22<retrospectacus>by "tools" I mean applications like unetbootin, or other "Iso writer" thingys
15:23<dextrous>ok
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15:24<towo`>the only devices, which are hardcoded to (u)efi, are windows tablets
15:24<Echoz>towo`: Aren't Macs as well?
15:24<dextrous>so towo you mean u have using legacy boot from bios rather than UEFI
15:24<towo`>Echoz, yes, but at the moment i only mean "normal" x86 hardware
15:25<towo`>dextrous, if you question is, if i use uefi or bios, i use bios only on all my devices
15:26<towo`>because i don't see any benefit of efi
15:26<Echoz>towo`: macs are normal x86 hardware at this point, they moved away from ppc over 10 years ago
15:26<dextrous>yeah I suppose i got my answer
15:26<towo`>Echoz, i know, especialy the price and atitude ;)
15:26<Echoz>macs aren't that expensive, they are just exceptionally bad for their price
15:27<dextrous>hehehe
15:27<Echoz>maybe the desktops, but the laptops are priced similarly to other business laptops
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15:30<dextrous>bye guys tc
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15:34<esters>Hi, when trying to mount a NTFS volume with ntfs-3g on Debian 8, I get the following error message -
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15:35<esters>http://pastebin.com/raw/nJr72KJx
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15:36<lindi->esters: you upgraded your system but did not reboot after that?
15:37<esters>lindi-: I installed ntfs-3g
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15:38<esters>lindi-: at some point I did upgrade the kernel but did not reboot, as the uptime for this box is 35 days
15:39<espectalll[m]>retrospectacus: thx!
15:40<lindi->esters: yep that explains it, time to reboot
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16:05<plugwash>anyone have any idea why apt might claim a signature is invalid while manually downloading and verifying seems fine
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16:08<bobert>one way to install wine on parrot ?
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16:09<tomcres>!parrot
16:09<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
16:10<bobert>ok
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16:12<huggybear404>I just installed debian 8.7.1 and first second it boots up it says cinnamon crashed , is there a way to fix that ?
16:12<lindi->plugwash: how do you manually verify?
16:13<plugwash>I downloaded Release and Release.gpg and verified them with both gnupg and gpgv. I have checked that the required key is in the apt keyring (and anyway apt gives a different error if it doesn't find the key)
16:14<plugwash>I am wondering if it is a signature algorithm issue. Unfortunately the admins of the mirrorbrain repo seem rather backwards
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16:20<plugwash>yup, adding APT::Hashes::SHA1::Weak "yes"; to apt.conf fixes it
16:20<Brigo>huggybear404, yes, check the logs
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16:22<henry>hello
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16:28<blast007>huggybear404: any idea what graphics card/chip you have?
16:29<huggybear404>hm cant see anything related to cinnamon, Im guessing it picked a wrong graph driver
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16:29<huggybear404>hm good q new mainboard omboard
16:29<blast007>AMD?
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16:30<huggybear404>msi b250 pc mate board
16:30<blast007>ah, so shiny new intel :)
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16:31<huggybear404>I guess
16:31<huggybear404>intel driver ?
16:31<blast007>likely needs a newer kernel and a few other things, all from jessie-backports
16:32<huggybear404>so latest debian is too old ?
16:32<blast007>!skylake
16:32<dpkg>an <intel-gfx> chipset requiring firmware. For jessie support, enable <backports> and <non-free sources>, then install <bpo kernel>, xserver-xorg-video-intel and firmware-misc-nonfree from jessie-backports.
16:33<huggybear404>whats backports ?
16:33<blast007>you can /msg the bot any of the things between the angle brackets (like /msg backports ) to get more information about them
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16:33<blast007>https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
16:34<somiaj>huggybear404: newer packages provided for jessie.
16:34<huggybear404>hm says they are unstable ? will it always use unstable beta drivers then ?
16:34<blast007>what says that?
16:34<huggybear404>the backports info
16:34<huggybear404>"Backports are recompiled packages from testing (mostly) and unstable"
16:35<dboles>unstable is the name of the next more bleeding-edge debian version, beyond testing
16:35<somiaj>huggybear404: this is just terms debian uses in terms of how debian releases/production works. jessie-backports packages are compiled to run and compadable with jessie.
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16:35<blast007>huggybear404: read more about that here: https://www.debian.org/releases/
16:35<huggybear404>is there a way to use a generic driver ?
16:35<dboles>but for something to get from there to backports, they have to be pretty darn stable
16:36<huggybear404>I just need enough gui to set it up
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16:37<towo`>huggybear404, you can blacklist i915
16:37<somiaj>huggybear404: I would just install the kernel, firmware and drivers from jessie-backports.
16:37<towo`>then the system should fire up vesa
16:37<blast007>and sorry, above, I meant you could use '/msg dpkg backports' to ask the bot about backports
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16:41<blast007>huggybear404: so, you'd want to follow the instructions at https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ , also enabling non-free by making sure each deb line ends with 'main contrib non-free' instead of just 'main', run 'aptitude update', and then run: aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` xserver-xorg-video-intel firmware-misc-nonfree
16:41<blast007>and then reboot and see if it works better
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16:42<huggybear404>hm sounds so simple
16:42<SaNpo>how i can install flash player in mozile parrot browser ?
16:43<huggybear404>I tryed add sources but im not allowed to write , great start
16:43<somiaj>SaNpo: right now the scripts in debian are broken, you'll basically have to download it from adobe.com and install it manually
16:43<tomcres>!parrot
16:43<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
16:43<huggybear404>wonder who debian reports me too hehe
16:43<somiaj>SaNpo: oh yea, and being parrot, go ask them, their scripts maybe different.
16:43<somiaj>huggybear404: you have to be root to write to system files.
16:43<huggybear404>hm debian installs with no root ?
16:44<SaNpo>somiaj
16:44<SaNpo>how can i asj parrot users
16:44<SaNpo>what channel ?
16:44<huggybear404>ah had to logout
16:44<somiaj>SaNpo: you can read the factoid the bot sent you and go join their irc network, read what the bot dpkg said
16:44<SaNpo>ow ok
16:44<SaNpo>thx
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16:45<huggybear404>non-free in sources file ?
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16:46<SaNpo>but why this IRC is only for debian and not for parrot ?
16:46<tomcres>!based on debian
16:46<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
16:46<SaNpo>yes i know but
16:47<SaNpo>i cant talk here by parrot tools and anothere tools etc etc why ?
16:47<dboles>because people come here expecting volunteers to know enough about one distro, never mind 12398 offshoots
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16:48<dboles>the others are simply off-topic, i.e. not why the debian channels were made
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16:48<SaNpo>ok
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16:49<dboles>people here either use debian only, or if they use other downstream distros, then they're presumably available to help on the relevant channels
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16:50<SaNpo>I understand
16:50<swift_>does anyone here use Debian Sharing in the gnome menu? I turned on personal file sharing and it says I can connect with dav://debian.local, but using this on my local machine says connection refused. Also, how could I connect to my Public folder from Windows?
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16:53<SaNpo>dboles
16:53<SaNpo>pyton is hard to use for a newbie ? to learn ?
16:54<somiaj>swift_: I'm unsure what gnome's tool is, but to share with windows you will need to install (and maybe configure) samba
16:54<somiaj>swift_: you could also use something like winscp, an sftp client that can connect to an ssh server to transfer files.
16:54<dboles>SaNpo: i can't see how that's on topic either, but anyway, i only know a tiny bit of it, so i can't really judge whether it's easy or difficult
16:54<swift_>somiaj, acually winscp is a good idea. ill do that
16:55<koleygr>SaNpo: try to take a course on edx... it is a nice course
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16:56<koleygr>SaNpo: try #debian-offtopic for such questions
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16:57<SaNpo>on debian
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16:57<SaNpo>is a way to play games ?
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16:58<dboles>of course, that depends what games you want
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16:58<SaNpo>san andreas
16:58<dboles>there are games in the package repository, games you can download as packages from other sites, etc etc
16:58<SaNpo>multiplayer
16:58<SaNpo>but is a problem
16:58<SaNpo>game is in .exe
16:58<koleygr>!wine > SaNpo
16:58*dpkg pours > SaNpo a nice glass of Pinot Gris
16:59<dboles>yeah, look into the WINE package for emulating the windows API, etc.
16:59<SaNpo>ok i try it now
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16:59<SaNpo>program with game or lag on debian ?
16:59<SaNpo>problem *
16:59<dboles>there is lots of info about WINE (and its offshoots) and game compatibility on the internet - i suggest you use a real search engine, rather than typing search queries in IRC
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17:00<SaNpo>i want to know if the game work faster on debian
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17:01<dboles>ok, good luck searching/testing
17:02<SaNpo>debian game runs faster than on Windows
17:02<SaNpo>?
17:02<somiaj>SaNpo: depends on the game, but in general I would say no.
17:03<tomcres>provided you can even get it to run at all
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17:05<SaNpo>hmm understand
17:05<SaNpo>good night
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17:06<Echoz>it's a little funny to me
17:06<Echoz>games on linux is currently at a point i thought it would never be
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17:16<huggybear404>I tryed install the intel drivers and reboot but it still hang the same, in not getting any prompt to install driver or vesa
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17:23<huggybear404>how to see if debian installed intel video driver ? and how to set it up manual ?
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17:40<ach>To which point it boot up?
17:41<huggybear404>im getting cinnamon crash
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17:42<huggybear404>https://wiki.debian.org/GraphicsCard this page suggest I should remove the intel driver and use modeset
17:42<huggybear404>how ?
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17:45<ach>press ctrl + f1 cd /etc/init.d/ ./gdm3 stop apt-get purge 'driver package' apt-get purge 'driver package' apt-get install reboot or ./gdm3 start
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17:47<towo`>huggybear404, which kernel? which firmware-version?
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17:51<huggybear404>dont kb
17:51<huggybear404>know
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17:53<huggybear404>if purge, how do I know what driver it uses or crashes with ?
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18:01<ach>well in my point you just have to press ctrl + f1 cd /etc/init.d/ ./gdm3 stop apt-get purge 'driver package' apt-get purge reboot or ./gdm3 start
18:01<ach>apt will get the driver by it own
18:03<ach>well -"apt-get purge"
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18:10<huggybear404>when I try this I t35 unqgle to open display glxinfo | grep "OpenGL vendor string
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18:14<huggybear404>dont look like apt tryes to get any driver at all
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18:15<ach>stop gdm3 apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-video-intel
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18:19<huggybear404>hm now im not even getting picture, just boot to black screen
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18:20<huggybear404>tryed this also dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
18:20<huggybear404>but nothing happen, its supposed to open something
18:20<ach>dmesg and post
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18:24<huggybear404>how ? can I even get it to run irc when display is messed up ?
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18:24<abrotman>huggybear404: did oyu aptitude install xorg?
18:24<huggybear404>yes
18:24<huggybear404>seems no matter what I do gdm hangs and display dont work
18:25<huggybear404>i installed cinnamon
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18:25<ach>but you have a terminal?
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18:27<huggybear404>yes
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18:30<ach>it's on the computer were the Xserver doesn't work?
18:30<ach>Can you tell me the brand and monitor type?
18:30<huggybear404>I tryed install irssi and join and im banned
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18:43<abrotman>huggybear404: you can't IRC as root here
18:45<huggybear404>its banning any name i use
18:45<huggybear404>good service
18:45<huggybear404>cant join this channel
18:48<grin>you are joined
18:49<grin>by the way are you trying to get intel video work?
18:50<grin>it's fun, possibly playing with several kernel options
18:51<grin>optimus even more fun, from instant hard freeze through black screen to library failures
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18:51<grin>bye huggybear...
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19:10<huggybear404>hm I see no fun in not getting video to work, why spend months adding pictures and programs I dont need instead of making an install that can setup a working video driver ? would that not be more useful ? If i have video and synaptic I can install whatever else I need from there..... ?
19:10<huggybear404>I had same problem in ubuntu also
19:12<huggybear404>I wish I could get a simple video installer like in windows, test driver and see if picture look fine, if its messed up go back to text mode and select another driver. It would make installs much easyer and save years of support work
19:14<sney>hopefully when xorg gets a replacement it'll be less of a pain
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19:15<sney>intel stuff Just Works like 99% of the time though, except when it's a split gpu setup, or so new that you need to use backport kernel/X etc
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19:15<jcrowgey>hi there, i'm using ibus on gnome shell. when i bring up ibus-setup from the command line, i see the input methods which I have defined and want to use (i had to create a custom input method for a language i type in), but when i go to the regions-and-languages settings in the gnome-shell gui, i see a different set of langauges which doesn't include the ones i need to use
19:16<jcrowgey>how can i get the right widget to display on the desktop
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19:16<huggybear404>is there a plan for such a thing ? Im sure it would save 1000s of hours frustration of more just to have a simple video driver selector early in the install, test a driver and if people dont say it work ok then go back and say it failed and try another. Instead of setup the highest resolution that the screen cant handle to make sure it fail even if the driver is correct... argh.
19:17<huggybear404>I looked for hours and see no setting for resolution at all
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19:24<plugwash>sney, the problem is that the old infrastructure for helping people with manual configuration was dismantled
19:25<plugwash>so it either works immediately or it's a nightmare, there is no middle ground
19:25<jcrowgey>i restarted my x server because i thought i was making headway on that input method issue, i missed any replies. it turns out i'm still stuck.
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19:28<sney>plugwash: indeed
19:30<jcrowgey>online i see people talking about gnome-language-selector defaulting to ibus on gnome, strange thing is: i don't find any gnome-language-selector anywhere with 'apt-cache search' and while the interface looks exactly the same whether i click on settings>>keyboard&language or whether i run im-config, i get different options!
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19:31<jcrowgey>i like the options in im-config, ibus-config, i just want the gnome-shell to pay attention to them and use that install of ibus (why/how does it seem like i have two ibus installs on here that aren't talking to each other).
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19:41<lelebart>I'm going to install jessie on an asus eeepc 1001px and i want a light x: lxde or xfce?
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19:42<tomcres>lelebart, that's up to you; they're both light, but lxde is a little lighter
19:44<tomcres>lelebart, if you want my personal opinion though, I like Xfce better—more functional/configurable
19:47<lelebart>tomcres, thanks. i'm going to prepare the machine to become a pi-hole (it costed less than a raspberry-pi)
19:50<inkbottle>huggybear404: What is your intel GPU?
19:51<inkbottle>Because I saw you were suggested to use "modeset" instead of intel driver
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20:08<huggybear404>msi b250 pc mate onboard
20:08<huggybear404>is it coz I use cinnamon ? will gdm work better ?
20:09<huggybear404>dont look like theres a kernel driver installed at all
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20:11<huggybear404>after all I tryed I cant even join this channel, just comes up banned no matter what nick I use
20:11<huggybear404>so I cant paste anything
20:11<huggybear404>I give up
20:11<huggybear404>debian wins
20:12<huggybear404>looks like the only way I get a driver is using windows 10
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20:31<Disaster>Hi! I have a problem. I want to send logs with rsyslog with TLS and relp. I follow the official tutorial http://www.rsyslog.com/using-tls-with-relp/ The problem is that don't work plus he stop store locally so i can't debug. Anyone know how can i do to keep local logs plus sending?
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20:41<annadane>i don't know what the solution is but i would say give us your bash output
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20:44<annadane>saying "it doesn't work" isn't very helpful
20:44<Disaster>i have no output i just paste and adapt this http://pastebin.com/CXivpR8k
20:45<Disaster>from the official tutorial
20:45<Disaster>i paste it at the end of /etc/rsyslog.conf
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20:47<Disaster>annadane: in fact now it's not a problem that it doesn't work if i could read local log to debug, but as i said he don't do both and i don't know why everything i found is outdated
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20:57<twb>I build Debian Live systems and upload them to remote sites over Australia's crappy internet. filesystem.squashfs rsyncs *MUCH* faster than initrd.img. Both are compressed using LZMA2. Is there anything I can do to make the ramdisk more rsyncable, short of falling back from xz to gzip --rsyncable ?
20:57<twb>Typical example: http://sprunge.us/iEDe
20:57<twb>Or: is there a more appropriate channel to ask in?
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21:14<twb>I think the problem is that update-initramfs will do something like find | cpio | xz >initrd.img
21:15<twb>If something like mdadm.conf changes size slightly each time, and it's going onto the START of the cpio, it'll affect the offset of all the remaining files --- even if they haven't changed --- breaking rsyncability of all of them
21:15<twb>So what I should be trying is to make update-initramfs put the OLDEST files (usually the .ko's) at the start of the cpio
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21:42<twb>As a quick proof of concept, I tried "datefudge 1970-01-01 /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs -o foo.cpio.gz" a couple of times, and rsync could find no blocks in common between foo.cpio.gz and bar.cpio.gz --- even after ungzip and gzip --rsyncable'ing them. zcat | cpio -t of both was identical, so it's not simply that the file order changes between mkinitramfs runs
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22:27<blackhat>hi iam on parrot os and i got little problem it keep loging me of after using it for while .anyone know how to fix it?please /andits not a automatic sleep mode/
22:28<somiaj>!parrot
22:28<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
22:29<blackhat>ok chill
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23:27<hanasaki>having an issue w/ my bluetooth[ 6.028411] bluetooth hci0: Direct firmware load for brcm/BCM20702A1-13d3-3404.hcd failed with error -2
23:27<hanasaki>[ 6.028415] Bluetooth: hci0: BCM: Patch brcm/BCM20702A1-13d3-3404.hcd not found
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23:29<somiaj>hmm, I'm not finding any file by that name in debian, lets see what google says
23:30<hanasaki>not sure if it is kernel support or a broadcom support that needs to be a deb pacakge
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23:31<somiaj>well all you are missing is the firmware
23:31<somiaj>https://github.com/winterheart/broadcom-bt-firmware -- I found this so you can manually copy the firmware into place. I also see this package
23:31<somiaj>,v bluez-firmware
23:31<judd>Package: bluez-firmware on amd64 -- sid/non-free: 1.2-3; jessie/non-free: 1.2-3; stretch/non-free: 1.2-3; wheezy/non-free: 1.2-3
23:31<somiaj>but my search didn't give it contained the firmware you needed, so y ou may have to manually copy the firmware into /usr/lib
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23:31<somiaj>arg /lib/firmware
23:32<somiaj>yea that package doesn't contain the formware you need, looks like you'll have to manually install/copy the firmware into /lib/firmware for that hardware
23:33<hanasaki>can you explain a bit more? Idont know it as well as you
23:34<somiaj>you need the firmware file /lib/firmware/brcm/BCM20702A1-13d3-3404.hcd on your machine for that hardware you have
23:35<somiaj>debian does not provide that firmware, that git repo I pointed to claims to provide it. So download that file and put it in the right place, see if it fixes your problem. Note I do not know this hardware or that firmware file, you'll have to decide any trust issues for yourself
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23:39<hanasaki>right. where does the file go?>
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23:43<twb>hanasaki: /lib/firmware/brcm/BCM20702A1-13d3-3404.hcd
23:44<twb>Dumb question: why can't they just put the firmware onto the device itself, like motherboards do
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23:45<hanasaki>twb: not a bad thing... makes firmware upgrades SW based
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23:46<hanasaki>what does it take to get that firmware reviwed and added to debian ?
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23:46<twb>hanasaki: the owner providing a license and the source code and the ability to recompile it
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23:47<twb>i.e. probably not going to happen, because Broadcom are run by icky people who hate our freedom :P
23:52<hanasaki>the chips seem quite common :(
23:53<hanasaki>the 802.11ac works
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