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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-02-17

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03:14<elias_>If I have a Debian 7/wheezy running, but the repo is using "stable" (which is jessie since quite a while), is that really bad, assuming I have installed packages since the stable release changed?
03:15<elias_>I suppose if no packages have been installed no harm is done, but if they have been, that might mean trouble, right?
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03:15<alkisg>Didn't you ever run apt-get upgrade there?
03:15<jm_>yes that typically leads to problems
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03:15<alkisg>That would upgrade to jessie packages, even without installing new ones...
03:15<jm_>you end up with a mixed installation
03:16<elias_>I have this config on 15 servers, I know some have at least installed new packages, not sure about an upgrade thought
03:16<elias_>Best way to solve it would be to do a dist-upgrade?
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03:17<jm_>probably best to finish the dist upgrade yes, follow release notes
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03:20<elias_>Ok thanks. I wanted to get a second opinion before I tell the company that this is a must
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03:22<jm_>that's why some of us use release names in sources.list or you could also specify it via APT::Default-Release in apt.conf, but that one can be non-obvious to find out why dist upgrade isn't hapenning
03:23<elias_>Yeah that's what I do as well. Unfortunately I didn't install these machines :)
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03:27<twb>If you're confident nothing has been installed from jessie yet, you can just change "stable" to "wheezy"
03:28<twb>With both wheezy and jessie in sources.list, I think you can do... aptitude search '?narrow(?installed,?origin(jessie))' to look for accidentally-upgraded packages
03:28<twb>I've only tested that with jessie vs. jessie-backports, YMMV
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03:29<twb>I also recommend setting target release in apt.conf to make it a little harder to shoot yourself in the foot
03:30<twb>echo 'APT::Default-Release "wheezy";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf # or similar
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05:02<grummund>Hi, anyone know which x-terminal implements the escape sequence echo -e "\e[2t" to minimise the window?
05:03<grummund>so far unlucky with gnome-terminal, mate, xterm, uxterm.
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05:28<elias_>twb: ah nice. I'm not sure I got the search working properly though - I got no matches for either jessie or wheezy. Do you know how I can find out what origin a single package is from? Just to verify if the search works
05:29<twb>"apt-cache policy mg" I suppose
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05:32<elias_>ok thanks
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05:43<Faris>Hi!
05:45<Faris>Is it OK to have two default routes on the same routing table (the default table) like this: http://pastebin.com/7TqGvYSS
05:46<Faris>The first default route in the table is added by keepalived, and is removed when the host steps down from Master status
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05:47<moz_>debian always crashes when I close the lid (jessie on a dell 15 inspiron). Any help?
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05:50<jm_>moz_: you were told what to check the other day, have you checked that?
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05:50<moz_>jm_, what exactly?
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05:53<moz_>jm_, maybe I didn'T read. Could you please tell me again what to check?
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05:56<jm_><jm_> try switching to a tty before you do that and check if kernel says a
05:56<jm_>nything
05:56<jm_><Echoz> might want to try running dmesg -w in a console and then causing it to crash on purpose to see the output
05:56<jm_>moz_: ^^^^^^^
05:56<moz_>jm_, ??
05:57<jm_>^^^ means read above stuff
05:57<moz_>jm_, I can't ready anymore
05:59<moz_>jm_, ok I read the chat. I was just suggested to try to reach my computer from another one via smb, but unfortunatelly I can't try it because I don't have a second computer at my disposal.
06:02<jm_>moz_: yes, the abov doesn't need it
06:02<Brigo>Faris, ask better in #network channel in freenode
06:02<moz_>jm_, so, what can I try now?
06:03<jm_>moz_: the above?
06:04<moz_>jm_, as I said, I read above and I didn't find any practical suggestion
06:04<itd>moz_: From what I understand: 1) Execute 'dmesg -w' 2) Close lid. 3) Open lid. 4) See if it produced any output.
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06:05<moz_>itd, it's impossible to read anything after reopening the lid, because the system will have crashed
06:06<jm_>exactly, switch to a tty first, login there and run dmesg -w
06:06<moz_>jm_, the other tty are unreachable after reopening
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06:07<jm_>moz_: that's why we said switch first
06:07<moz_>ok
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06:08<moz_>jm_, ok, i try
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06:13<moz__>jm_, itd no new line on dmesg
06:13<jm_>moz__: did you run dmesg -w?
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06:13<jm_>bleh
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06:14<moz__>jm_, yes
06:14<moz__>jm_, on tty6
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06:14<jm_>moz__: did it survive lid close?
06:15<moz__>jm_, after reopening there was no new line but of course the system had already crashed
06:16<moz__>jm_, after reopening the screen was exactly the same as before
06:16<jm_>moz__: and you were unable to use it? i.e. switch to another tty?
06:16<moz__>jm_, of course I was unable to do anything
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06:17<jm_>moz__: hmm then I'm affraid I don't have any other useful ideas, I assume you already tried with a newer kernel
06:18<moz__>jm_, no I didn't yet
06:18<moz__>jm_, could you explain me how to do it?
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06:19<jm_>!bpo kernel
06:19<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
06:19<jm_>try that
06:20<moz__>jm_, you mean, i give the command here above and after the installation I reboot and ....done?
06:20<moz__>jm_, the command is: aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` right?
06:21<jm_>moz__: yes; yes - but use apt-get if you normally use that instead of aptitude
06:21<itd>moz__: You could enable persistent logging in journald (/usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian) and then look at the log of the last boot after a crash (journalctl -b-1). Not sure if that will log anything meaningful.
06:21<moz__>ok, so: apt get install jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`
06:22<moz__>jm_, what about these regular expressions after sed. Should I leave them so in the command?
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06:22<jm_>moz__: yup
06:22<moz__>jm_, I try
06:24<moz__>jm_, maybe the command with apt-get should be shorted?
06:24<moz__>jm_, apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` ?
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06:25<moz__>jm_, "linux-image-amd64 is already the newest version."
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06:25<jm_>moz__: do you have backports in sources.list?
06:25<moz__>jm_, I don't know. I lool
06:25<moz__>look
06:26<jm_>moz__: ask dpkg about it -- /msg dpkg jessie backports
06:26<itd>moz__: Did you include the '-t jessie-backports'?
06:26<moz__>itd, no
06:26<jm_>you should
06:27<moz__> /msg dpkg jessie backports
06:27<jm_>!tell moz__ -about jessie backports
06:28<moz__>jm_, so how should it be the exact command with apt-get?
06:28<jm_>moz__: the same as dpkg said, just write apt-get instead of aptitude
06:28<moz__>jm_, with "-t"?
06:28<jm_>moz__: yes, everything else stays the same
06:29<moz__>ok
06:29<moz__>jm_, E: The value 'jessie-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
06:30<itd>moz__: read https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
06:30<moz__>jm_, I guess I should add backports in the source.list
06:31<jm_>moz__: yes, read what dpkg told you
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06:32<moz__>jm_, itd , ok now it started: After this operation, 186 MB of additional disk space will be used.
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06:34<moz__>jm_, I'Ve been asked something: From Linux 4.7, the iptables connection tracking system will no longer
06:34<moz__> automatically load helper modules. If your firewall configuration
06:34<moz__> depends on connection tracking helpers, you should explicitly load the
06:34<moz__> required modules. For more information, see
06:34<moz__> <https://home.regit.org/netfilter-en/secure-use-of-helpers/>.
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06:34<podmacbato>hey guys, i need a quick answer regarding installation. On this step during my install (http://www.tecmint.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Jessie-Package-Selection-599x450.png) If i select Gnome next to 'Debian desktop environment', will that install Gnome twice on my system? If i don't select gnome, and choose only 'Debian desktop environment' will Gnome still be installed? Thank you!
06:34<jm_>podmacbato: no, only once
06:35<alkisg>podmacbato: select both of them
06:35<podmacbato>So i should have checked both debian desktop and gnome?
06:35<jm_>podmacbato: you can always install it later if needed
06:35<jm_>I would recommend to select both yes
06:36<podmacbato>thank you guys, my other machine thanks you also and it will be running Debian from today on :)
06:36<moz__>jm_, the installation process waits for an input from my side
06:36<jm_>moz__: it only has OK button, no?
06:37<alkisg>podmacbato: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktop/Tasks => "Desktop Task"
06:37<moz__>jm_, ok
06:37<podmacbato>thanks!
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06:39<moz__>jm_, I think the installation was successfull
06:40<moz__>jm_, now? reboot?
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06:42<jm_>moz__: yes
06:42<moz__>ok
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06:46<moz_>jm_, now I guess I should try to close the lid
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06:46<moz_>jm_, should I run dmesg -w in tty6 as well?
06:47<jm_>moz_: well you can try it, but if it didin't help before ...
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06:52<moz__>jm_, it doesn't work. It still crashes
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06:53<jm_>moz__: then I'm affraid I have no other ideas (you did verify you boothed the new kernel, right?)
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07:15<moz_>jm_, the situation is now even worse. The computer stops at boot while journaling. I have to boot in recovery mode
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07:17<jm_>moz_: does it work if you select old kernel in boot menu?
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07:26<EmleyMoor>I'm having a problem with minidlnad - it is running, and my client systems (an AV amp and a phone) can see what's on it, but not play it. What might be wrong? Both used to be just fine with it.
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07:48<EmleyMoor>Now minidlna seems to be silently failing!
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07:52*EmleyMoor has just got some unexpected action out of it and it has given him a clue on the problem
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07:54<EmleyMoor>I'll leave it to work on this and come back to it later
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08:02<moz_>jm_, the situation is now even worse. The computer stops at boot while journaling. I have to boot in recovery mode
08:02<jm_>moz_: does it work if you select old kernel in boot menu?
08:03<jm_>work as in does it boot without that?
08:03<moz_>jm_, mmm i guess so
08:03<moz_>jm_, could it be a problem of hard disk. how can I check it?
08:05<jm_>moz_: I doubt it, it's probably related to unclean umount, you should fsck it
08:05<jm_>I will have to leave very soon
08:05<moz_>jm_, yes, there is an unclean umount
08:06<jm_>moz_: right, that's always an issue in such situations
08:06<moz_>jm_, I used to connect an external hard drive by plugging it to the router and calling it through smb. Now I disconnected it but the commands are still there
08:08<moz_>jm_, ok, now I commented the relative line on /etc/fstab
08:09<moz_>jm_, is that enough or should I make some more changes?
08:09<jm_>moz_: sorry I have to go now, hopefully someone else can help
08:09<moz_>ok, do you came again later?
08:09<jm_>not until monday
08:10<moz_>ok, thx, have a god day
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08:14<FLD>how are Debian KDE users supposed to handle jessie->stretch upgrade without it being massively disrupting?
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08:15<tomcres>FLD, I don't think there is a way because unfortunately, the KDE developers didn't provide an actual upgrade path from KDE 4 to KDE 5. So you start off with a blank slate.
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08:17<FLD>this breaks one of the most lovely things about Debian, being simple to upgrade to the next version
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08:18<alkisg>If it's not something distro specific, then complains should go upstream, not to a specific distro...
08:18<tomcres>FLD, the upgrade itself went smoothly for me, but as I said, there is no way to migrate your desktop or app preferences between KDE versions
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08:19<FLD>it would be nice if you could do jessie->stretch, but still keep the KDE 4 environment
08:20<FLD>so you have time to manually start migrating to KDE 5, while the KDE 4 remains functional for daily operation
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08:32<FLD>i wonder if i configure KDE 5 in a stretch VM, could i then upgrade my jessie system and copy&paste the .config/ stuff from the VM
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08:34<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... still no go
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08:38<Disaster>Hi i try to configure rsyslog to send logs with tls and relp plus write local. I try to add this http://paste.debian.net/915104/ to /etc/rsyslog.conf from the official tutorial (http://www.rsyslog.com/using-tls-with-relp/) but he only send (or at least try but this is another problem). So i try to adapt this http://www.rsyslog.com/storing-and-forwarding-remote-messages/ with the new syntax...
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08:38<Disaster>...http://paste.debian.net/915106/ but he just store locally and stop try to send out
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08:42<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... minidlnad runs, shows content on the clients, but none of it will play... why?
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08:48<lindi->FLD: why not just create a new user?
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08:48<EmleyMoor>Is there any good troubleshooting I can doon minidlnad?
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08:49*EmleyMoor is trying the backport...
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08:51<FLD>lindi-: what do you mean?
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08:51<lindi->FLD: upgrade. create a new user and configure KDE 5 as you like. then copy the .config stuff to your real user?
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08:52<FLD>i don't understand how that would help at all
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08:54<FLD>i wouldn't be able to configure KDE 5 properly without having access to my KDE 4
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08:55<FLD>and it's certainly gonna be a process that takes many months
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08:56<EmleyMoor>No good even on the backport
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09:10<FLD>perhaps once stretch is out, people will find and share creative ways regarding the KDE 4 to 5 migration
09:11<tomcres>FLD, I got so fed up with it, I actually switched to MATE. Less headaches.
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09:13<peter1138>what's the difficulty?
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09:26<EmleyMoor>Problem with minidlna was a permissions knot - all sorted now.
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10:02<_marioxcc_>Hello. I need to make a simple website for a crowdfunding campaign. What CMS (or similar) would be the easiest to use for somebody with no web developing experience (like myself)?.
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10:03<alkisg>wordpress is a sensible choice..
10:04<itd>dpkg: cms
10:04<dpkg>i guess cms is Content Management System. See <drupal>, <ezpublish>, <joomla>, <modx>, <plone>, <postnuke>, <phpnuke>, slashcode, scoop, <typo3>, vi + cvs.
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10:05<itd>_marioxcc_: ^ is a list of CMS available in debian AFAIK. I guess what is the 'easiest' depends on your requirements. ;)
10:05<_marioxcc_>alkisg: Wordpress is more for blogs, though. It does not seems to lend itself readily to other usage.
10:05*alkisg doesn't see wordpress there... :
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10:06<_marioxcc_>itd: My question is exactly that: How do I choose one?. It must be quick to set up and not require extensive experience with web development (JavaScript or CSS skills).
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10:08<blast007>_marioxcc_: try some out then. there's even some demo sites for a lot of them here: http://www.opensourcecms.com/scripts/show.php?catid=all&category=All+CMS+Demos
10:08<alkisg>Wordpress is fine for beginners
10:08<alkisg>Joomla is fine too, just a bit harder
10:08<alkisg>I wouldn't recommend drupal to beginners...
10:08<blast007>in all cases, you want to be sure to keep the software updated
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10:09<_marioxcc_>alkisg: So are you suggesting Joomla?.
10:09<alkisg>No, wordpress
10:09<alkisg>It's not just for blogs, it has static pages too, so it's fine for simple sites as well.
10:09<blast007>wordpress is more of a blog platform, but some people use it as a CMS as well.
10:10<_marioxcc_>I will try Wordpress then. Thanks.
10:10<alkisg>(from experience with a lot of students, they work much more easily with wordpress than with joomla)
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10:28<somiaj>_marioxcc_: you should also not cross post. (:
10:31<_marioxcc_>somiaj: Why? :)
10:32<somiaj>!crosspost
10:32<dpkg>Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
10:33<somiaj>_marioxcc_: anyways sounds like wordpress will suit your needs. It has plenty of extensions and a very large community that is active.
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10:34<_marioxcc_>somiaj: Ok. I will use WordPress then.
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10:35<somiaj>and it is in debian, so makes it even easier.
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10:40<melp>quick question: does anyone know of a remote control protocol for LAN that is "transparant", i.e., makes it feel like i'm working locally on the actual remote machine?
10:40<melp>similar to RDP, but maybe a little snappier
10:41<somiaj>vnc?
10:41<alkisg>rdp is the best, but mostly focused on windows; x2go is second, vnc third :)
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10:41<alkisg>(if you don't count proprietary stuff like teamviewer :D
10:41<somiaj>you can also just use x11 tunneling
10:41<melp>i've tried VNC, RDP, teamviewer, logmein
10:41<somiaj>or just ssh, depends on what you want to do
10:41<melp>and one other that claims to be the fastest
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10:42<somiaj>there is also spice
10:42<melp>oh also this is mostly for windows machines
10:42<melp>but it'd be nice to control osx and linux too
10:42<melp>im moving back to all windows because rdp seems to be my best bet
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10:43<alkisg>Are you sure you want remote control for lan, and not netbooted clients?
10:43<melp>i'm not very familiar with netboot
10:44<melp>would that allow for a remote machine to seem like it's running locally?
10:44<melp>i'll read up on it
10:44<alkisg>For example, with ltsp, we have 1 server, and many diskless/netbooted clients, all of which run from a single image
10:44<alkisg>The clients run the OS with their own CPU/RAM, so it's the fastest you can get; e.g. watch 4k contents with no glitches
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10:44<melp>ok gotcha, that's sort of the oposite of what i want to do
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10:45<melp>i have my main desktop with 3 monitors, etc, and then a personal laptop and a work laptop. i want to control my laptops from my desktop
10:45<melp>so i don't have to turn my chair 15 degrees and move my hands
10:46<alkisg>It also supports thin clients, which run with the server's CPU/RAM, but it's getting deprecated exactly because transferring the screen isn't a good option
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10:46<melp>when i have kids that want a computer, that's gonna be something i'll have to look into
10:46<melp>or something similar
10:46<somiaj>melp: what sort of control? ssh works fine for my needs, remote protocols will have some lag depending on how much graphical stuff you want, and you won't ever get the full local experience when it comes to say running videos or doing opengl stuff
10:47<melp>i'm hosting webex sessions on my laptop through my desktop via RDP and it mostly works
10:47<melp>well, not "mostly", it does work, it just is a little slow sometimes
10:48<melp>i think RDP is my best bet for a mostly windows environment
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10:48<melp>what i really need is a KVM, but they're so expensive for high-resolution displays
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11:02<moz_>debian always crashes when I close the lid and when plug and unplug the power (jessie on a dell 15 inspiron). I just installed a new kernel, but It didn't help. Any hints?
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11:03<annadane>on startup, i get messages about firmware not installed but i can't really read them because they go by too quickly; where's the log for this?
11:05<towo`>dmesg? journalctl?
11:06<towo`>dmesg | grep -i firmw
11:06<towo`>journalctl --no-pager | grep -i firmw
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11:10<annadane>also, how can i get the package manager to display all 5 tabs at once (common, dependencies, installed files, versions, description)?
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11:21<annadane>...don't answer that, i'm an idiot and didn't even think about just resizing the window
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11:23<annadane>though i could swear that i once got it to display all of them while keeping the window size the sam
11:23<annadane>same
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11:34<moz_>debian always crashes when I close the lid and when plug and unplug the power (jessie on a dell 15 inspiron). I just installed a new kernel, but It didn't help. Any hints?
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11:34<mtn>moz_, video card and driver?
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11:35<mtn>moz_, when you close the lid is it suspending to ram or hard drive?
11:35<moz_><mtn>, don't know. Could you please help me to check it?
11:36<mtn>moz_, in a terminal: inxi -Gx
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11:37<moz_><mtn>, command not found
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11:37<mtn>moz_, install it
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11:38<moz_>Graphics: Card: Intel Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series Graphics & Display
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11:38<mtn>moz_, which version of debian is this?
11:39<moz_><mtn>, 8.7
11:39<mtn>moz_, when you close the lid is it suspending to ram or hard drive?
11:39<moz_><mtn>, I dont' know
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11:40<mtn>moz_, look in your settings, see what closing the lid does.
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11:41<moz_><mtn>, automatic suspend: after 15 min when on battery power
11:41<mtn>moz_, if it is suspend, then it is suspend to ram.
11:42<moz_><mtn>,if you say so ...
11:42<mtn>moz_, you say just unplugging the power crashes the computer?
11:42<moz_>yes
11:42<moz_><mtn>, or by pluitgging
11:42<moz_><mtn>, or by plugging it
11:42<mtn>moz_, sounds like faulte battery or other hardware failure
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11:43<annadane>just fyi, you don't need to type the brackets to ping somebody's name
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11:43<moz_><mtn>, but all the problems started with debian. I have had ubuntu for a couple of years on this laptop and none of these problems occurred
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11:44<mtn>moz_, boot up a live disk of ubuntu and test. if it does not happen with ubuntu, it could be a debian problem
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11:44<moz_><mtn>, I already did it, and it didn'T happen
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12:04<moz_>mtn, it crushed again. Did you write anything?
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12:43<FLD>i wonder if it makes more sense to run the debian stable kernel or the backported -grsec kernel because the later is upgraded so much more sparsely
12:46<FLD>in a context of a single user gateway/router box with Debian Stable on it
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12:50<amacater>Debian kernel because it will be security patched - against grsec because grsec has more features/hardening - still Debian kernel, I think
12:51<storms>hello, is there someone than can spare some minutes to help me with bind9? i need to add some stuff to a college project but i dont know how :|
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13:08<blast007>storms: if you ask your actual question someone might have an answer
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13:18<storms>right, my bad. so far this is my config file http://prntscr.com/ea0pe0 , i need to add a couple more type A servers. so i just go like this? http://prntscr.com/ea0q7b
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14:06<tempuser>hi, what the rights has /usr/local/bin/ folder to have so install-script could put something there?
14:07<jurek4321>Hi, I have a couple of debian installers on /dev/sdb3 (pendrive)
14:07<jurek4321>(/dev/sdb3/amd64, /dev/sdb3/i386, etc.). I made a grub.cfg in mbr to select
14:07<jurek4321>between them. Can I run it that way at all, because it doesn't work?
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14:10<tempuser>what rights does /usr/local/lib/ have to have to use it properly with python and pip?
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14:13<alkisg>jurek4321: no, I don't think the debian installer supports getting ran from a subdirectory. Use different partitions.
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16:29<demo>Heyo
16:29<koleygr>Hi
16:29<sney>hi
16:29<demo>Oh dear
16:30<demo>I didn-t expect to be answered
16:30<demo>Where amI_
16:30<somiaj>#debian
16:30<koleygr>You don't need to say "Hello"... just ask the question if you have one
16:31<demo>Oh, I get it.
16:31<somiaj>we are all just bored hoping you will ask a support question.
16:32<koleygr>Also it is #debian-offtopic on the same server if you don't need debian support
16:32<demo>Oki
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16:33<demo>I have a question> my keyboard is behaving in a strange way
16:33<demo>Any idea_
16:34<retrospectacus>!idfma
16:34<dpkg>Insufficient Data For Meaningful Answer
16:34<di0x>!idfma +1
16:34<di0x>+1
16:34<di0x>.-)
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16:35<di0x>gggggggggg
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16:36<demo>Well, when I try to write a Question mark an _ appear and viceversa
16:36<annadane>have you tried control + shift?
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16:37<annadane>press those and then try it again
16:37<annadane>(i mean release those and then try it)
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16:37<annadane>(think of it as a toggle, not "press these while you do this")
16:38<demo>Nope, it doesn-t change a thin
16:38<demo>Maybe I should say that I-m using an italian keyboard
16:38<annadane>shouldn't make a difference
16:39<demo>Oh...
16:39<annadane>i know for me sometimes it takes a few times for it to work
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16:39<demo>So I should try again_
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16:41<annadane>https://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard says to configure the keyboard you need to install keyboard-configuation and console-setup so you may want to try that?
16:42<annadane>the wiki page has more info
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16:44<annadane>also i think i messed up by suggestion control + shift, that's a windows thing
16:44<annadane>suggesting*
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16:56<demo>Oki, I-ll come back later, because I-m gonna install MXlinux
16:56<demo>So I-ll posticipate the resolve of this problem
16:56<demo>Thanks
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17:12<koleygr>Hi, does anybody have problem with youtube in firefox? Sometimes mine doesn't load suggestions on the right and comments below... but just a screen with the video
17:13<koleygr>Has anyone this problem? I tried delete the folder and keeped just my bookmarks files... but no luck
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17:17<annadane>well, it's not really a debian question
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17:32<koleygr><annadane> Debian had iceweasel before... and I kept some settings of iceweasel in firefox... I don't think mozila's chanel will answer to such question... It may be has to do with compatibility between iceweasel and debian
17:32<koleygr>but if you think it is not related to debian I will look somewhere else
17:33<mtn>koleygr, sounds more like a flash problem, to me
17:33<annadane>no, that's fair, i didn't think of that
17:33<dboles>Iceweasel did not have any functional differences from Firefox, though
17:34<koleygr><dboles> I suppose it is not problem of the bookmarks I saved then to the new folder
17:34<koleygr>thanks
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17:34<annadane>i thought youtube used html5 for video?
17:34<koleygr><mtn> I don't use flash...
17:34<dboles>koleygr: indeed, i don't think that could be the cause
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17:35<annadane>my very uneducated guess is that it's a problem with extensions
17:35<annadane>i don't remember whether or not firefox has a "safe mode"
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17:36<mtn>if he removed the .mozilla folder, it can't be extensions
17:36<koleygr>let me try to rename the .mozila folder
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17:37<koleygr>just let me check that again mtn
17:40<koleygr>ok
17:40<koleygr>i think it is ok now
17:40<koleygr>i had not removed the ,mozila but the one with the random name inside of .mozila
17:41<koleygr>May be something in there was the problem
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17:46<koleygr>Does anyone of you have a suggestion about a good adblocker on firefox... may be the previews adblocker was the problem
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17:47<yulax>ublock origin is reasonable
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17:47<annadane>^
17:48<koleygr>thanks
17:48<koleygr>[solved]... tried many times and the problem gone
17:49<koleygr>thank you yulax and annadane for the suggestion
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18:07<di0x>:-8 ^^^^^^
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18:09<di0x>well now what?
18:10<di0x>ah yesh shean
18:10<di0x>alritghty
18:10<annadane>!ops di0x spamming channel
18:10<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: annadane complains about: di0x spamming channel
18:10<Maulkin>Hrm
18:10<di0x>!ops annadane im a expoper you a dude
18:10<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: di0x complains about: annadane im a expoper you a dude
18:10<Maulkin>di0x: Wnough please
18:10<di0x>ok but ignored
18:11<di0x>later dont came here crying :)
18:11<Maulkin>See you then.
18:11<dboles>what on earth are you babbling about
18:11<di0x>bot you
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18:11<di0x>it wasnt for you whoever you are, for the suidice opercaller
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18:12<di0x>mwahaha no kid with mod peers like hellstorms
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18:13<dboles>i hope that was a bot, given the sheer word salad it was speaking
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18:13<@Maulkin>Yeah...
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18:40<sleser>is it posible to install debian if laptop already have trueos bsd with i think its bsd loader that where i push f1 to continue
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18:55<paper>Hello
18:55<paper>I'm demo
18:56<paper>Fast question: I've installed on MX linux the lituanian language. How can I chenge it back to english?
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19:00<koleygr><paper> do you use gnome?
19:01<koleygr>Oh! he left
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19:07<narcan>koleygr: it was a "Fast question" ^^
19:07<koleygr>hahahaha
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19:50<grummund>which would be the best virtualisation environment to trial manual configuration of raid, crypt, lvm, using the debian installer ?
19:51<somiaj>I like qemu-kvm personally, but unsure about raid with it, lvm/crypt sure.
19:54<grummund>thanks, will take a look at that.
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20:41<Blaze>Hello
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20:43<Blaze>does anyone have a problem with the logs files using all the root partition?
20:45<sney>logrotate is designed to solve this
20:45<sney>if you have log files that are getting out of hand they probably aren't configured for rotation
20:46<Blaze>they are like 5.8GB each
20:46<sney>that's extreme
20:46<Blaze>spammed with the same wined3d error
20:46<sney>what are they from
20:46<sney>is it just syslog?
20:47<Blaze>messages, user.log and syslog
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20:47<Blaze>I just deleted some rotated logs
20:47<Blaze>like 2GB
20:48<Blaze>with bleachbit
20:48<sney>you should probably track down that error as well, even just turning down wine's verbosity or whatever
20:52<Blaze>I added WINEDEBUG=-all to .bashrc, I thought that the spam would stop
20:53<Blaze>maybe it's a different error, I can't even read the log file without gedit going crazy
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21:02<sney>page through it with less, that should work a little better
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22:53<annadane>!ask
22:53<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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