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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-02-21

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03:13<draven>receiving a no volume groups found after install. on a uefi system, doing an advanced install with an encrypted lvm mirror 1
03:15<draven>!help
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03:17<draven>fuck
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03:19<draven><draven> receiving a no volume groups found after install. on a uefi system, doing an advanced install with an encrypted lvm mirror 1, what can i do to resolve this issue
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04:35<user47869457>Hello, On a Debian system how can I put an application as default to open all the fyles that it can open?,...for example how can i put Leafpad as default to open all the types of files that it can open?...Thanks
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04:36<TotallyNotKim>im not sure if there is a way if you dont specify it yourself
04:36<TotallyNotKim>if there is no option in leafpad to do that, I think it is not possible
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04:36<TotallyNotKim>you can still set it for one extension by a time tho
04:37<TotallyNotKim>well maybe you're lucky
04:37<TotallyNotKim>http://libre-software.net/change-the-default-application-linux-mint-ubuntu/
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04:44<alkisg>user47869457: man xdg-mime
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04:50<user47869457>Thanks, but I haven't any file called "defaults.list" in "/usr/share/applications/defaults.list" , and in Leafpad there are no options to do that,...I don't want to set extension for extension,...what I want to do is something like that: http://www.digitalcitizen.life/how-associate-file-type-or-protocol-program
04:50<user47869457>specified in the section: "The screen that opens displays a list of all file extensions your selected app or program can open. Browse through the list and select any file types you want to associate to your chosen program. When you finish, click or tap Save."
04:51<user47869457>Is there some equivalent for Debian?
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04:53<alkisg>Normally desktop environments allow you to do that via right clicking on a file and selecting open with...
04:53<alkisg>If your desktop environment (what's that, lxde?) doesn't have that option, you can do it from the console with xdg-mime, as I said above
04:53<alkisg>$ xdg-mime query filetype /etc/adduser.conf ==> text/plain
04:53<alkisg>$ xdg-mime query default text/plain ==> pluma.desktop;
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05:00<user47869457>Thanks, I have a minimal Xfce, I can select "open with.." , but I have to do this for all the extensions that I want to open with LeafPad,...what I want to do is set LeafPad as default to all the extensions that it can open, for example the program Leafpad can open ".txt , .pdf ,.word , .ecc ..." , Is there a command to set Leafpad to default for opening ".txt , .pdf ,.word , .ecc ..."?
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05:03<user47869457>with xdg-mime I have to do this extensions for extensions..., i have to set "text/plain" after I have to set "pdf" ,...
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08:23<And1>Dear folks, excuse this question, but I’m very stuck on this. Could anyone please tell me, how to choose BTRFS in debian jessie netinstall expert mode? I don’t find any way to choose the file system …
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08:34<itd>And1: You should be able to choose the file system once you are in the partitioning tool (https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-handbook/sect.installation-steps.en.html#sect.install-partman).
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08:34<And1>itd: I thought so. : o No success yet, though.
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08:39<And1>Selecting the partition with e.g. ext and then selecting the 'use as' doesn’t give me any options for another file system. Just like swap or don't use at all or use as raid.
08:41<itd>And1: Did you state that you want to format the partition?
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08:42<And1>itd: In my console output I get a lot of lines like '/lib/partman/active_partition/copy/choices: not found' … may that be the problem?
08:42<And1>itd: Maybe there’s some special component that wasn’t loaded? I loaded cfdisk and parted for now …
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08:47<itd>And1: Possible. Not sure which components are available.
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09:33<thomasdullien>good day
09:34<thomasdullien>I have a (potentially silly) question about security updates for backported kernels
09:34<thomasdullien>e.g. what is the normal process with which security fixes for the kernel get applied to backported kernels?
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09:53<stdh>question about watch files: how/when are they evaluated?
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09:54<stdh>on https://udd.debian.org/dmd/?packages=freedoom is see the new 0.11 upstream is not detected, but this package has a watch file which in my testing does detect the new version
09:54<hexa->thomasdullien: security support for backported packages is on a best-effort basis (via https://backports.debian.org/FAQ/)
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11:29<Siecje>When I try to run sudo commands I get an error that sudo: unable to open /var/lib/sudo/cody/0: Read-only file system
11:30<Siecje>In dmesg there are a lot of UDP: bad checksum
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11:32<Siecje>https://dpaste.de/64Hr dmesg output
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11:34<lindi->Siecje: your filesystem is broken it seems
11:34<Siecje>lindi-: How do I fix it?
11:35<lindi->Siecje: first try to find out what caused the problem, then reboot the system
11:37<Siecje>lindi-: How can I find out what caused the problem?
11:37<lindi->Siecje: it's a virtual machine? are there any logs in the host?
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11:38<doubledutch>lindi-: Wouldn't the logs be in the guest?
11:38<lindi->doubledutch: I'd expect there to be logs in both
11:38<Siecje>logs in the host?
11:38<doubledutch>lindi-: likely for different things, what's the issue you're having?
11:38<Siecje>It is a server from a cloud provider
11:38<doubledutch>Oh misred, disregard
11:39<lindi->Siecje: aha, then the hardware should be fine
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11:40<lindi->Siecje: store the dmesg output somewhere and then reboot the system
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11:41<Siecje>lindi-: Rebooting is a safe operation? The server is going to come back?
11:41<lindi->Siecje: well we can't be 100% sure about that but at least currently it doesn't do anything useful
11:42<lindi->Siecje: the disks are in read-only state so your server won't be able to actually store any information
11:42<lindi->Siecje: of course it depends on what the server does
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11:42<Siecje>It stores backups
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11:43<lindi->Siecje: ok, at least currently it won't be writing any backups
11:43<lindi->Siecje: check the logs, has this happened before in the past
11:44<Siecje>No it hasn't
11:44<lok[m]>Any Windows user?
11:46<mtn>lots of them on the windows channel on freenode
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12:27<Siecje>I rebooted and ran fsck and there were a lot of things to clear
12:27<Siecje>$ sudo apt-get update
12:27<Siecje>apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg.so.4.12: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
12:28<petn-randall>!bat
12:28<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
12:28<petn-randall>Siecje: Can you provide *all* of the information above via http://paste.debian.net?
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12:32<Siecje>http://paste.debian.net/916063/ sorry it's not very helpful.
12:33<petn-randall>Siecje: ouch
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12:35<petn-randall>Siecje: Recover from backups or reinstall.
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12:35<petn-randall>Siecje: From what I'm piercing together your filesystem got corrupted badly and essential files are missing on that filesystem.
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12:41<Siecje>What about downloading and installing a package http://askubuntu.com/questions/674356/apt-get-error-while-loading-shared-librarieslibapt-pkg
12:42<petn-randall>Siecje: You could, but you might end up spending days fixing up broken packages. And can you trust a system that already has shown to have a corrupted filesystem?
12:42<petn-randall>Siecje: It's up to you, but I'd salvage any data I need from that VM and start over.
12:43<Siecje>:( Thanks
12:44<Yoda-BZH>try reinstalling libapt-pkg4.12 with the .deb, it should still be available in /var/cache/apt/archives/
12:44<Yoda-BZH>in hope that nothing else is broken
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12:47<Deneme>ıs there any turk in here
12:47<petn-randall>!survey
12:47<dpkg>survey is, like, Don't ask whether 'somebody uses <app>' unless conducting a survey. Ask the question that you want to ask.
12:48<petn-randall>Deneme: You might want to consider joining a chat channel, this channel is for Debian support.
12:48<Siecje>Yoda-BZH: It is not in there
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12:48<petn-randall>Siecje: You could download it from packages.debian.org.
12:49<Deneme>thank you
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12:52<thomasdullien>thanks! :)
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13:16<Siecje>petn-randall: When I try to install it I get "missing fatal newline" http://paste.debian.net/916069/
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13:47<alkisg>Siecje: to get an idea of how broken your system is, install the "debsums" package with dpkg, and run debsums -s
13:48<alkisg>This will check the md5sum of the files on the filesystem, and tell you how many of them are broken
13:48<alkisg>If you see e.g. 100+ files broken, don't bother trying to revive it
13:48<alkisg>If you only see a couple files broken, it might be worth it
13:49<alkisg>Note though that even your kernel/initrd/libraries in your RAM might be broken now; if so, they're breaking everything else by just using them
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13:49<alkisg>Usually it's best to do such tasks from a live cd
13:49<Siecje>alkisg: I can't even install anything though.
13:50<alkisg>Can you access the system from another os? e.g. sshfs or live cd?
13:51<Siecje>I don't have sshfs installed on it.
13:52<alkisg>OK then just put everything in a subdir, and reinstall while keeping that subdir
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13:58<KaRa>Is there any hacker in here???
13:59<KaRa>ı want to hacking to my boyfriend
13:59<KaRa>but first
13:59<KaRa>ıam soryy for my english :(
13:59<KaRa>who can help to me
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14:01<KaRa>şaka lan
14:01<KaRa>hack mack yok
14:01<KaRa>but
14:01<Brigo>!offtopic
14:01<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
14:01<KaRa>i hacked to allbody
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14:01<KaRa>ı hacked the my school
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14:31<dark>hi, how install, guide, driver open source for graphic card Amd rx470 in Debian 9 testing? I'm new con Debian , i use Mint 18.1 but i like Debian
14:32<annadane>dark: testing questions go in #debian-next
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14:34<dark>annadane: thanks
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14:34<towo`>dark, apt install firmware-linux-nonfree, reboot done
14:35<dark>towo: ah
14:35<dark>towo:ok thanks
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14:38<petn-randall>Siecje: As I said, just reinstall.
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14:39<dark>towo: in Package firmware-linux-nonfree there is not my graphic card amd Rx470
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14:41<crash>dark: use the on from jessie-backports if the one in jessie doesnt't work for you but it should
14:43<towo`>crash, he is using stretch
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14:43<towo`>dark, it's fimware, not a "driver"
14:43<dark>crash: i don't understand.. i use testing jessie it is not 8.7?
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14:44<crash>dark: ok did miss that, but just install firmware-linux-nonfree and reboot as towo said it will work!
14:44<towo`>dark, the driver is in kernel, libdrm and xserver-xorg-video-radeon
14:44<dark>towo: yes fimware, not driver
14:44<towo`>the driver only works, if firmware is installed
14:44<dark>towo: now i undesrtand
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14:45<dark>crash: i undesrand
14:46<crash>:)
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14:53<dark>ok, now i reboot
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14:57<dark>crash: it is don't work
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14:58<towo`>again, wrong channel, and "don't work" is saying zero
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14:58<towo`>strtch support is #debian-next
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15:08<stdh_>question about watch files: how/when are they evaluated?
15:09<stdh_>on https://udd.debian.org/dmd/?packages=freedoom is see the new 0.11 upstream is not detected, but this package has a watch file which in my testing does detect the new version
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15:16<dark>thanks now i'm on °debian-next
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15:30<And1>Hey folks. I'm running a server with debian jessie. For some colleagues from my studies, I want to to create some kind of virtual machine on this server, which they can access via ssh, in which they can do everything they want but they cannot get out of their environment. I searched all day for jail(kit) and chroot and I tried to set up LXC for like six hours now, but it’s a pain in the ass. Is there some easy solution to this? What about ...
15:30<And1>... virtualbox? Or qemu (which I haven't used yet).
15:31<And1>It's all about command line, graphical user interface is not needed …
15:32<somiaj>How virtual do you want it? I like qemu-kvm for virtualization and using libvirt as a front end to manage multiple vms.
15:33<somiaj>But if all you are wanting is to chroot your users, ssh has some things to do this. Yes it can be broken out of if the user gains root access, debian should have any local exploit to gain root fixed if you keep up to date on security.
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15:34<somiaj>,v openssh-server
15:34<judd>Package: openssh-server on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u6; wheezy-backports: 1:6.6p1-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u3; jessie-security: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u3; sid: 1:7.4p1-6; stretch: 1:7.4p1-6
15:34<And1>somiaj: Well they should have an own environment with root and being able to install and configure the software they want …
15:35<And1>somiaj: But not in the main environment. : )
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15:37<somiaj>And1: Then you'll want to pick a virtualization system that fits your needs. chroot they can break out of, so although it is easy to setup, if you have any trust issues you may not want to use it.
15:38<And1>somiaj: So you would suggest qemu-kvm?
15:38<somiaj>lxc containers might be an option, but you have to configure them. Pure virtualization is nice using libvirt with say qemu-kvm, as this won't require extra kernel patches (like xen) or special container setup like lxc, and libvirt frontend gives some nice tools for managing multiple vm's. Then you can just give each user a vm, the only issue is giving them chroot access.
15:38<somiaj>If you have a large block of ip's, you can just give each vm its own ip via a bridge, if you don't you'll have to setup port forwarding and each user will connect to their vm on a diffrent port.
15:39<somiaj>And1: I would mostly suggest that because I'm nost familar with it and how to manage vms via libvirt. Other situtaions will work
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15:40<And1>somiaj: Cool. : ) Do you know a solidproof step by step guide for create a qemu-kvm VM? Plus setting up bridge devices and DHCP in the VM. We have a lot of IP addresses, so indeed each VM should get their own IP. Then the students can just ssh to their specific VM-IP. That'd be great!
15:42<somiaj>And1: do you want to do it from a gui or cli?
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15:43<And1>somiaj: CLI.
15:43<somiaj>https://wiki.debian.org/KVM
15:43<And1>Great, thank you! : )
15:43<somiaj>I found it not to difficult to setup when I did it
15:44<And1>Seems there’s nothing like an ncurses-client, right? Well, okay then the pure CLI way.
15:44<somiaj>not that I know of, but virsh is fairly easy to use
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15:46<And1>Alright. Then I'll try to set that up either tomorrow or next Tuesday. If having any problems, I’ll feel free to ask here. Thanks for your advice, somiaj!
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16:55<bolt_>where are wine lib32 and lib64 files located on debian ?
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16:55<somiaj>Guest1317: dpkg -L packagename to get the list of packages instealld from a debian package
16:57<name__>looks like lib32 and 64 didnt install in wine pakage
16:58<somiaj>well the winepackage is mostly a meta package, look at the actual wine32 or i386 packages installed, also the libs
16:59<somiaj>example libwine
16:59<somiaj>,v libwine
16:59<judd>Package: libwine on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-20; jessie-backports: 1.8.6-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.8.6-5; stretch: 1.8.6-5
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17:01<F2riS>hi
17:01<F2riS>im arabic ?
17:01<name__>apper shows libwine is installed
17:01<F2riS>are u arabic /
17:01<F2riS>?
17:01<F2riS>are u arabic ?
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17:43<luizromario>Hello, all. How do I install the AMD FX video drivers?
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17:46<luizromario>My situation is the following: I had a radeon video card installed a while back, but it died recently, so I have to use the onboard video from my AMD FX processor. It seems that Debian still has the old drivers enabled, because it tries to enable OpenGL but it fails
17:46<mtn>luizromario, do you have an xorg.conf in /etc/X11?
17:46<luizromario>Let me see
17:47<luizromario>Nope
17:47<mtn>luizromario, what does this give you? lspci -nn|grep -i vga
17:48<luizromario>00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a] [10de:03d6] (rev a2)
17:48<luizromario>Uh, I'm almost sure I don't have an nVidia card installed
17:48<mtn>luizromario, well, there is your problem. nvidia, not amd
17:48<mtn>luizromario, sure looks like ;)
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17:49<luizromario>This is weird
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17:49<luizromario>Let me see
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17:49<tomcres>oh. you have the same onboard graphics I have on my motherboard actually.
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17:49<tomcres>It should work with the nouveau driver
17:50<Speed2u>Any idea why DPMS is turning off automatically every time my screen is going for sleep? This lead to my monitor is always "on" showing a blank kind of screensaver instead of turning off/going standby. Running xfce4 with power-manager settings to put system to sleep after 25 minutes and turn monitor off after 30 minutes
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17:53<retrospectacus>!screen blanking
17:53<dpkg>You can control screen blanking in console via setterm -blank (and/or your BIOS powersave settings), and in X via "xset -dpms", xscreensaver, or your desktop environment's screensaver controls. Permanent virtual console blanking adjustments can be made by editing /etc/kbd/config.
17:54<luizromario>tomcres: How do I enable the nouveau driver?
17:54<luizromario>I already have it installed
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17:55<tomcres>luizromario, what do you see if you type: lsmod | grep nouveau
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17:57<luizromario>tomcres: https://paste.debian.net/916129/
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17:58<Speed2u>retrospectacus: yes that's kind of what i have problems with. If i run xset +dpms it will be activated as long as my monitor is active. If i run xset q, it will tell me that dpms is on and shuts down screen after x minutes, but when leaving computer on for a while the screen turns on again and showing a blank screen instead of remaining in standby
17:58<tomcres>luizromario, OK. So it's loading the kernel portion OK. Can you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
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18:00<luizromario>Sure, just a sec
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18:02<luizromario>tomcres: https://paste.debian.net/916133/
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18:05<tomcres>luizromario, everything looks good. What error message do you get exactly that tells you that OpenGL is not enabled?
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18:06<luizromario>tomcres: I get a screen full of gibberish
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18:08<tomcres>luizromario, I don't know why it's not working. Your kernel module is loaded and your log shows the right driver enabled and AIGLX enabled. Perhaps someone else in the channel knows more.
18:08<luizromario>Probably because the system is mistakenly recognizing the video chip as an nVidia
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18:09<luizromario>I have an FX-6300 CPU, it should come with AMD integrated video
18:09<Brigo>luizromario, isn't it a nvidia?
18:09<Brigo>luizromario, check lspci info
18:09<luizromario>I've check, it says is nVidia
18:09<luizromario>But it doesn't make much sense
18:10<Brigo>luizromario, maybe it's a motherboard builtin one
18:10<luizromario>Hm
18:10<Brigo>you should can modify it in bios, i would hope.
18:10<zykotic10>luizromario: does "lspci -v | grep -i vga" show two graphics chips?
18:11<luizromario>00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a] (rev a2) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
18:11<luizromario>No
18:11<zykotic10>ok, just checkin'
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18:11<Brigo>i have to go, good luck there.
18:12<luizromario>I'll go to setup then
18:12<luizromario>Let's hope it's just a BIOS issue
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18:12<luizromario>Thanks a lot, Brigo
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18:19<Speed2u>Even after a reboot, the dpms settings is gone. And it's not a hardware-issue eighter because xset dpms force off works perfectly
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18:26<luizromario>Here's what the system looks like when it tries to run OpenGL compositing: http://wstaw.org/m/2017/02/22/imagem1.png
18:27<somiaj>luizromario: what does glxinfo or your xorg log say about video drivers being used?
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18:30<luizromario>somiaj: https://paste.debian.net/916135/
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18:31<somiaj>I don't recongize the glx vendor SGI
18:31<somiaj>ahh this is nouveau
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18:32<somiaj>luizromario: what nvidia card are you using?
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18:33<luizromario>None that I know of. Perhaps the motherboard has an nvidia onboard video chip
18:33<luizromario>But I'm not sure about that either
18:33<andersonvom>hey folks, I'm trying to install the latest debian testing from an external hard drive (i.e. I burned the .iso into the hard drive, not into a cdrom), but I can't get passed the "detect and mount cdrom step"
18:33<tomcres>somiaj, we were looking at it before. It looks like an onboard GeForce 7025
18:33<andersonvom>any clues?
18:33<mtn>andersonvom, how did you burn it? what program did you use?
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18:34<andersonvom>mtn: linux mint's xfce usb writer
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18:35<mtn>andersonvom, that is usually a sign of a bad burn. maybe use dd instead?
18:35<luizromario>My processo is an FX-630, so I was expecting AMD video
18:35<luizromario>*processor
18:35<luizromario>00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a] (rev a2) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
18:35<luizromario>In any case, here's what I get from lspci
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18:35<mtn>andersonvom, or better yes, just cp
18:35<mtn>yes/yet
18:35<mtn>andersonvom, https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en
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18:36<andersonvom>mtn: whaaaa? you can copy isos directly to the device? *mind... blown*! :P
18:36<andersonvom>let me give that a shot
18:37<mtn>andersonvom, yes, using the debian iso.
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18:43<luizromario>So, I just found out that, yes, my motherboard has integrated nvidia graphics: http://www.asrock.com/mb/NVIDIA/N68-GS4%20FX/
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18:44<andersonvom>mtn: still the same issue: installation starts, next, next, next: no common cd-rom drive was detected
18:44<mtn>andersonvom, hmm. have you tried the jessie installer this way?
18:46<luizromario>The question is: why does nouveau fail on it?
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18:48<andersonvom>mtn: good call, let me try that too
18:48<tomcres>luizromario, you can try installing nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver and see if that works better
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18:51<tomcres>I have to leave in 10 minutes, but if you install the nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver, make sure to reboot afterward so it can blacklist the nouveau kernel module.
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18:54<luizromario>Just that?
18:54<luizromario>Do I need to install the -bin and -libs package?
18:54<tomcres>that package will install everything necessary
18:54<luizromario>Okay
18:54<luizromario>Rebooting
18:55<luizromario>Wish me good luck
18:55<tomcres>(fingers crossed)
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19:33<annadane>i don't suppose anyone has a hack for hovering over DateTime in xfce to display the day of the week like you can do with the clock?
19:34<annadane>...i'm an idiot, it has a feature like that
19:34<annadane>never mind
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19:41<andersonvom>mtn: well... so much for that idea! :(
19:42<andersonvom>folks, I'm trying to install jessie from a hard drive but I can't get passed the "detect and mount cdrom" step! :(
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19:43<andersonvom>this happens with both stable and testing
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19:44<andersonvom>the installation boots correctly from the external hard drive, but will not proceed because it can't find a cdrom
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19:45<annadane>can you install via hard drive? i know it didn't work for me when i tried it
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19:46<annadane>actually no, you did say you get at least partially through the install
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19:47<annadane>anderson, is your debian installation in the top directory?
19:49<andersonvom>annadane: yeah, it boots correctly and I'm able to select languages
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19:50<annadane>odd. i'm not sure, sorry
19:50<andersonvom>installation was just copied to the hard drive device, following these instructions: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en
19:50<andersonvom>and the sha256sum of both /dev/sdb1 and the .iso are the same
19:50<annadane>do you have other files located in your top directory or are they all (if any) in seperate folders?
19:51<andersonvom>nope. identical images
19:51<annadane>so if i were to tell you to delete everything debian from your external hard drive it would be empty?
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19:53<andersonvom>annadane: yup. just a blank partition
19:53<annadane>i'm really not sure then
19:53<andersonvom>=(
19:54<annadane>it doesn't mean there's no solution! somebody else likely knows
19:54<Walex>andersonvom: that page is not the guide for what you want to do.
19:55<andersonvom>Walex: I've tried just burning the .iso into the hard drive but I was getting the same error, so someone suggested just copying the .iso into the device to see if it wasn't a bad burn
19:55<annadane>my other guess would be delete everything on it and try copying again, maybe the write went badly from when you were using cp from originally using mint's usb writer
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19:56<annadane>gparted is good for formatting partitions if you take this route
19:56<andersonvom>annadane: yeah, I have done this process multiple times, and this last one I even sha256sum the hard drive, to make sure it was identical to the .iso
19:56<andersonvom>Walex: do you have any other suggestions of what I might try?
19:57<annadane>stupid question but do you still have the sha256 files saved to the same top directory as the rest of debian?
19:57<Walex>andersonvom: it depends on what you want to achieve and your familiarity with the debian installer, but unfortunately I have got to leave now...
19:59<Walex>andersonvom: however this is for Ubuntu but should work with Debian too: http://agnipulse.com/2011/08/install-ubuntu-hard-disk/
19:59<andersonvom>Walex: I'll give that a try. thanks
19:59<Walex>andersonvom: or this with just GRUB: http://www.wikihow.com/Boot-an-Ubuntu-ISO-from-Your-Hard-Drive
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20:00<annadane>oh, why didn't i think of this
20:00<annadane>another possibility - if walex's suggestions don't work - is that your BIOS isn't configured properly to install from hard disk
20:00<annadane>you'd have to make it check for bootable things from the hard disk first
20:01<annadane>(ie move it up in the order)
20:01<andersonvom>Walex: annadane: I don't have windows at all, so that won't work for me.
20:01<andersonvom>annadane: it does boot correctly from the hard drive
20:01<annadane>wait, no, you do get through the install, so that shouldn't matter either...
20:01<andersonvom>yeah
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20:01<annadane>anyway, i'm dumb, listen to walex :P
20:02<andersonvom>it's as if the installation is not loading the USB drivers or something
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20:04<annadane>i wonder whether you need more verbose error messages, something like an expert install
20:04<andersonvom>annadane: hummm, let me try that
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20:09<andersonvom>annadane: I get the same thing from all install options: automated, expert, graphical, ...
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20:17<luizromario>Hey, it seems installing the proprietary driver worked
20:17<luizromario>Thanks to all of you who helped
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20:35<andersonvom>yeah, it's definitely something to do with the installation/modules that are loaded, because when I try the same process with linux mint, for example, it works just fine
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22:00<k-man>with backuppc, I'm trying to get it to exclude /proc but it seems to ignore my exclude configuration
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22:21<Fiddlestick>hello people
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22:26<Futurama140>Hey everyone, I', having this issue with the window title text for the active window being too light to read. I've been googling off and on for days and I can't seem to find an answer. Does anyone have a clue how I can change it? I'm running Debian 8 with backported cinnamon 3.2. Screenshot: http://pasteboard.co/BfqtTxdu7.png
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22:53<dan_>Hi, so I'm a new Linux user and I'm trying to set up my video drivers, because the picture on screen seems very choppy. I have an msi r9 390, and I've tried using the radeon free drivers and flgrx drivers. Someone in the forums said the flgrx drivers are deprecated and I should be using something else, namely the amdgpu-pro drivers, but I'm having a lot of issues with that.
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22:55<Futurama140>what kind of issues?
22:57<dan_>When I run the shell script to install them, i get a syntax error?
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22:58<Futurama140>!paste
22:58<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
22:59<Futurama140>um can you paste your terminal output with paste.debian.net?
22:59<dan_>It's really short I think I can just post it here?
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22:59<Futurama140>only if it's two lines or less...
22:59<Futurama140>ive been booted out of the chat for oing that before here
22:59<dan_>I believe so one second
23:00<dan_>amdgpu-pro-install: 40: amdgpu-pro-install: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
23:00<dan_>that's it
23:01<Futurama140>what's the command you're putting in? you need to get rid of the ( ) in your command
23:01<dan_>I'm just typing "sudo sh amdgpu-pro-install"
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23:03<Futurama140>have you tried installing it via apt-get?
23:03<dan_>No, how would I do that? apt-get install amd-gpu-pro-install?
23:04<dan_>also i'm on debian testing if that's important
23:04<annadane>yeah, if you're on testing, try asking in #debian-next
23:04<Futurama140>sudo apt-get install amdgpu-pro
23:04<dan_>OK, I'll ask there if this command doesn't work
23:04<Futurama140>just put that in your terminal
23:05<Futurama140>it should work
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23:05<themill>xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu?
23:06<dan_>It's not the amdgpu drivers, they're different from the "pro" drivers. My card isn't supported by amdgpu i think
23:06<annadane>(i should really stop telling people to ask in debian-next considering probably a lot of their questions could be in the same league as stable...)
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23:07<Futurama140>yea unless they accidentally try to upgrade to sid like I did XD
23:07<dan_>it says "unable to locate package,"
23:07<Futurama140>ok just a sec
23:07<dan_>ok ok wait this is important i think
23:07<dan_>this isn't a package from repos this is from the AMD site
23:08<dan_>i downloaded like a zip file that has the shell script "amdgpu-pro-install"
23:08<Futurama140>oh
23:08<annadane>yeah, there's a reason for trusted repos
23:09<dan_>sorry i'm really bad at providing context
23:09<Futurama140>go to the directory in the terminal, then you should run "sudo ./configure && make && make install"
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23:10<Futurama140>im going to go download the file and make sure im telling you the right thing, lol just a sec
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23:11<zykotick9>dan_: personally, i think installing drivers from manufacturer's website is almost never the right strategy. installing from a debian backage is A LOT safer. see "/msg dpkg dontbreakdebain" for a link to some good info...
23:12<annadane>dontbreakdebian, that is
23:12<Futurama140>yea ANY software should be tried from debians repositories first
23:12<dan_>OK, I just don't even know where else to look, these drivers are the only thing I know of besides like, the mesa drivers that even supports my card
23:12<Futurama140>what graphics card?
23:13<dan_>r9 390
23:13<dan_>also it's not in the repos
23:13<annadane>i believe generally the order most people go by is stable > backports and then if it's truly necessary, testing
23:13<Futurama140>ok ill look then, just a minute and i'll figure it out for you XD
23:13<annadane>or using another repo but i'm unclear on the nuances of that
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23:15<Futurama140>dan_ : i'm on AMD's site for the driver pack and the file it comes in is a tarball. did you download the windows drivers by chance?
23:15<annadane>(but yes a large part of debian's stability is only installing things from trusted sources)
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23:15<dan_>That makes sense. I just don't even know where to get drivers from, and they're kind of important lol
23:15<Futurama140>http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Radeon-GPU-PRO-Linux-Beta-Driver%E2%80%93Release-Notes.aspx
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23:16<dan_>yeah this is the page i got the zip from
23:16<Futurama140>"AMDGPU-Pro Driver Version 16.40 for Ubuntu 16.04"
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23:17<annadane>yeah, so, ubuntu, not debian
23:17<annadane>even though ubuntu is debian based you shouldn't mix packages like that
23:17<Futurama140>ubuntu is just a bloated, less stable debian release
23:17<annadane>also "beta driver"
23:17<Futurama140>yea but it's non-free
23:17<dan_>Someone said on reddit you can cahnge the script to allow install, I'm not sure of what else to do
23:18<dan_>What drivers would you guys recommend then? Sorry I'm a super newbie
23:18<annadane>in any case, let's try to see if the driver can be found in stable/testing/non free at all
23:18<annadane>errrr
23:18<annadane>stable/testing or main/contrib/non free that ias
23:18<Futurama140>annadane is way way more qualified than I am XD
23:18<annadane> /s/ias/is
23:18<annadane>i'm really not
23:19<Futurama140>if it werent for you i would have lost all my data when i accidentally upgraded lol
23:19<dan_>the guy that told me about amdgpu-pro definitely said it wasn't in the repos
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23:20<Futurama140>sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
23:20<annadane>there was a discussion in here earlier today about firmware vs drivers and i wish i could remember it
23:21<annadane>i want to suggest firmware-nonfree but i'm really not sure
23:21<Futurama140>that's the package name in the repos
23:21<dan_>Futurama, that one is slightly different from this one
23:21<dan_>"Your card may also be supported by the xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu driver, or the amdgpu pro driver which must be downloaded from AMD."
23:21<sney>annadane: the short version is, drivers are in the kernel, and firmware turns on locked features. and packages that begin with 'xserver-xorg' are neither
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23:22<dan_>the guy on the forums told me that
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23:22<Futurama140>i just did an "apt-cache search amdgpu" and it says thats the driver
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23:22<annadane>in the meanwhile dan can i ask you what you did in downloading from the manufacturer's website, where you stored the files? if they're just on your desktop it's probably fine but i hope you didn't put them in root directories
23:23<dan_>It's in downloads
23:23<dan_>Also yeah futurama, these are "amdgpu-pro" and those are "amdgpu"
23:24<zykotick9>dan_: there is an "or" in your quote above... xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu OR amdgpu pro...
23:24<Futurama140>have you read https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/58p7mf/how_do_i_install_amdgpupro_on_debian/ ?
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23:25<dan_>Yes, like, they might be supported by amdgpu OR amdgpu-pro
23:25<Futurama140>annadane: it looks like there is a debian bug for the drivers, so it's suggested to use the ubuntu deb packages
23:25<dan_>I don't think amdgpu supports my card but i'm not 100% so i didn't want to download it
23:25<dan_>on the pro page i can specifically see my card mentioned
23:25<zykotick9>oh my... reddit.com <- "perhaps" not the greatest source for technical support... ymmv?
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23:26<dan_>er that one was from the forums, and yeah i'm still learning xD I'll keep it in mind
23:27<dan_>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=131684&p=637150#p637150 here's where the quote was from
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23:27<annadane>,v amdgpu
23:27<judd>No package named 'amdgpu' was found in amd64.
23:28<dan_>I think the package is called server-xorg-video-amdgpu
23:28<dan_>xserver*
23:29<annadane>https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
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23:29<Futurama140>dan_ just try that package. if it doesnt work, its not going to hose you over at the very least and then you can remove it
23:30<annadane>though didn't you say you were in testing
23:30*zykotick9 suggests running the lspci (wich shows the pciid) then using that query the judd bot for the hardware support in debian for this mystery card. sorry i can't figure out how to get the pciid in the man page for lspci, but i'd guess _someone_ does - and the correct judd command ;)
23:30<annadane>in which case https://packages.debian.org/stretch/xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
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23:31<dan_>er i'm not sure futurama, last time i just downloaded drivers i ended up having to reinstall debian
23:31<Futurama140>i just had to rebuild recently because I installed stretch
23:31<Futurama140>it's really not stable at all yet.
23:32<Futurama140>is there a reason you need to use the testing instad of stable?
23:32<annadane>to be fair futurama, testing is in freeze and so testing should be moderately stable
23:32<themill>it's not going to change much at all between now and release
23:32<dan_>No, a friend of mine who uses Linux recommended it so I went along since he knows more than me
23:32<Futurama140>jeez... it's hosed 3 different systems in my house already
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23:33<annadane>to me it sounds like you have bigger issues because testing even when not frozen shouldn't do that
23:33<Futurama140>a lenovo g50, a dell latitude and a dell optiplex 755 all have crashed not long after installing stretch
23:33<annadane>but anyway, off topic
23:34<Futurama140>yea so um
23:34<Futurama140>well, what would you suggest annadane?
23:34<dan_>Er yeah, is there anyway I can check card support for the nonfree amdgpu package?
23:34<Futurama140>It sounds to me like his best option is to use the ubuntu deb package that AMD is offering
23:34<annadane>well, dan appears to know the package name he needs and i linked some stuff
23:35<annadane>no, please don't use ubuntu packages
23:35<annadane>dan, you're in testing, correct?
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23:35<dan_>Yes
23:36<dan_>I'm in stretch, I've been having issues since a lot of the documentation is still for jessie
23:36<annadane>what happens if you just apt install xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu ?
23:36<annadane>i feel like the problem is getting more vague and more ill defined
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23:36<annadane>at least for me
23:36<dan_>Sorry, ok so looking at the link you sent me
23:37<dan_>It names every card family by name that it supports
23:37<dan_>And my card family isn't there, Hawaii pro
23:37<dan_>So I don't want to install that package
23:37<annadane>okay
23:38<dan_>I guess my problem is now, if amdgpu won't work and I shouldn't mix packages like you said, what DO i use?
23:38<Futurama140>just looked up that car... thats one hell of a sexy graphics card
23:38<annadane>it's R9 290, correct?
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23:38<dan_>r9 390
23:39<dan_>i think it's the same architecture as the 290
23:39<annadane>i wish i could be more helpful, i'm sort of scrambling at the moment
23:40<dan_>It's okay, any help at all is really great and I really apperciate it xD I've been working on this exact problem for like 3 days
23:40<zykotick9>dan_: try running "lscpi -nn | grep -i vga" then look for a number/letter combo that looks similar to [8086:2a42] then paste that back into the channel.
23:40<dan_>gotcha
23:41<Futurama140>THATS the command i was trying to think of lol....
23:41<Futurama140>im way too sober to be effgicient
23:42<dan_>er I copypasted it from your chat and it said "bash: lscpi: command not found"
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23:42<dan_>should i run it with a sudo?
23:42<zykotick9>dan_: did you see the number/letter combo? can you just type it?
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23:43<dan_>What do you want me to do? Sorry I'm not understanding
23:44<zykotick9>dan_: sorry. in a terminal what happens if you type "lspci"?
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23:44<dan_>oh that gave me a lot of output
23:44<annadane>!paste
23:44<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
23:44<zykotick9>ok, no try "lspci | grep -i vga"
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23:45<zykotick9>sorry, try "lspci -nn | grep -i vga"
23:45<yadayadahelp>so hey, whats a good ide for editing source tarballs
23:45<yadayadahelp>with code navigation ?
23:45<dan_>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Hawaii PRO [Radeon R9 290/390] [1002:67b1] (rev 80)
23:45<zykotick9>,pciid 1002:67b1
23:45<judd>[1002:67b1] is 'Hawaii PRO [Radeon R9 290/390]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:67b1 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
23:46<zykotick9>doh :(
23:47<zykotick9>dan_: sorry, i got nothin'... i don't use amd/ati stuff so don't have the foggest how it works. best of luck!
23:47<dan_>Thanks for trying :D
23:47<annadane>i will say, if you can't get an answer tonight there are mailing lists you can try, or the forums
23:47<annadane>forums.debian.net
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23:47<Futurama140>Hey the window title text for my active window is too light to read. I've been googling off and on for days and I can't seem to find an answer- anyone have a clue how I can change it? I'm running jessie with backported cinnamon 3.2. Screenshot: http://pasteboard.co/BfqtTxdu7.png
23:48<dan_>Yeah, I posted on there but I only got one reply and the guy didn't really solve my issue
23:48<annadane>well, keep at it then
23:48<annadane>also https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/
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23:49<zykotick9>Futurama140: for something that specific, i'd suggest asking in a cinnamon channel... if there is one? does chaning the "theme" change things?
23:49<annadane>i see people suggesting mesa on the internet
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23:50<annadane>https://wiki.debian.org/Mesa
23:50<dan_>Yeah I looked around at mesa a bit
23:50<annadane>i hope this isn't, like, dumping a massive block of information on you, just possible ideas
23:51<dan_>You're good you're good
23:51<dan_>I saw someone mention Mesa on reddit but I didn't wanna just like, do it if there was a first party driver for my card
23:52<annadane>well now that we've established you shouldn't just download from websites... ;)
23:52<annadane>but no, i mean, i think the forums or a mailing list are the best bets
23:52<dan_>Alright
23:53<annadane>but yeah you said all the files you downloaded/installed - i think you said it was a tar - are in downloads, that should be fine
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23:53<annadane>as long as you don't have random files in the root directory
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23:54<zykotick9>!why nvidia installer sucks
23:54<dpkg>nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated -- the nvidia driver will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. We recommend against using it based on extensive experience. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia>.
23:55<zykotick9>^ i'd think amd/ati is similar...
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23:56<zykotick9>but, if that's your "only" option...
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23:56<dan_>I guess I could use mesa?
23:56<zykotick9>dan_: do you want to do gaming stuff?
23:56<dan_>Yes, I have Windows dual booted but I'd like to be able to do as much as I can on Linux
23:57<annadane>i mean, depending on the game there's also wine
23:57<dan_>Wait so how does wine work then, does it not go through your drivers? i sorta though drivers was the first step
23:57<annadane>it simulates windows
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23:58<Futurama140>wine works great for everything but FPSs
23:58<annadane>but i... am reluctant to just throw out wine as a suggestion when there's already mesa and the forums and mailing list up for discussion
23:58<Futurama140>WINE is a greaty acronym Wine Is Not (an)) Emulator
23:58<somiaj>yes wine will still require you have opengl drivers setup on your system. wine is just an api translater so (some) native window binaries can be run in linux.
23:58<zykotick9>dan_: you need working 3d for wine stuff
23:58<dan_>also my desktop even is almost unusably choppy looking
23:58<annadane>actually the mailing list i linked says that it is "high volume", so you're more likely to get a fast response
23:59<annadane>aka be more likely to get your issue resolved concretely rather than a workaround
23:59<dan_>also yeah i thought so, thank you somaiaj and zykotick9
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23:59<dan_>OK I guess I can do that
23:59<Futurama140>I don't know why someone would suggest a distro with so little documentation for a new user. you really should be using Jessie. if for no other reason than because of it's extensive documentation
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