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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-02-22

---Logopened Wed Feb 22 00:00:09 2017
---Daychanged Wed Feb 22 2017
00:00<annadane>may as well rule out your problem as unsolveable before resorting to second hand solutions
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00:02<dan_>also yeah futurama, i realized our mistake after i started but it's sort of late to go back now
00:02<annadane>i guess for now you can try mesa if you just want your computer to not look ugly because i think? you said that was the current problem
00:03<dan_>yes it's awful lol
00:03<annadane>until you can get it properly fixed
00:04<Futurama140>yea i understand :P after a while you get so sick of rebuilding a system you just say screw it, ill work with whats there
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00:04<dan_>Maybe, I'm like scared to just install drivers again if they aren't my final solution
00:05<dan_>like i don't have my debian USB anymore cuz i got this working on a friend's thing, so i'd need to put an ISO onto another USB or DVD if i needed to rebuild
00:05<dan_>that's probably really bad right
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00:05<annadane>what's really bad?
00:06<Futurama140>nah
00:06<dan_>I don't have a USB with debian on it anymore in case things go bad
00:06<Futurama140>you have multiple partitions.
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00:06<Futurama140>just dont destroy your boot sector lol
00:06<dan_>also this past weekend was really awful for me because my windows broke too xD so i've just been fixing shit for like four days
00:06<annadane>hmm, i mean i'd suggest just getting a usb and put debian on it again
00:07<annadane>they're not expensive
00:07<dan_>Yeah, I know. I'm like 17 with very little disposable income
00:07<dan_>do you think a DVD would be ok?
00:07<annadane>yeah, fair
00:07<annadane>yeah debian does run on dvd
00:08<annadane>and obviously back up your files, blah blah, but again assuming you don't have a medium for that it costs money
00:08<Futurama140>brasero, right annadane?
00:08<Futurama140>ive never actually made a debian DVD
00:08<annadane>should be fine
00:09<dan_>I need to make a windows one too probably :/ i lost my windows 10 and only got it back cuz a support guy was super cool and gave me a free windows 7 key
00:09<annadane>buuut i mean, i don't think at this point we're worrying too much about system crashes
00:09<dan_>yeah
00:09<Futurama140>dan_ i know the feeling. im 27 and feel 17- i'm disabled and so are my parents, so until my disability eventually comes through in a vcouple years i litterally have 0 income
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00:10<dan_>that sucks futurama
00:10<annadane>you should also be aware if you aren't already that debian has recovery mode
00:11<dan_>Recovery mode? it sounds farmiliar but i wouldn't know how to use it
00:11<Futurama140>meh. just life. but man it gets annoying not being able to get those little things like that. i'd mail you a USB with debian on it if you want, someone just gave me a handful of 2gb thumbdrives
00:11<annadane>https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html.en
00:11<Futurama140>annadane knows, just recently i was scrwewed over cause i didnt have enough storage
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00:12<Futurama140>was one hell of a process stabilizing this system without reinstalling
00:14<dan_>I imagine lol
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00:18<dan_>Well I think I'm gonna go to sleep, I'll work on this tomorrow I guess lol
00:18<dan_>Thanks guys
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01:32<alkisg>!ops | Opal`
01:32<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: alkisg complains about: | Opal`
01:32<alkisg>Sending pms like this: (08:31:25 πμ) Opal`: YOU GUYS ARE SOME PATHETIC QUEENS ROFL...COME TO A REAL SERVER....724fq4mo2mg3wjp4.onion/6697
01:32<awal1> ^ I confirm
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01:36<grin>thanks
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01:42<nkuttler>alkisg: no need to repeat the spam url
01:43<alkisg>nkuttler: yeah I just copy/pasted but thought that later
01:43<musca>alkisg: repeating can lead to AUTOKILL
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01:44<alkisg>I don't know what autokill is, is that a type of ban?
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01:46<musca>alkisg: yes, and it can be triggered by unwanted messages
01:47<alkisg>ok, ty
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02:06<Futurama140>Hey the window title text for my active window is too light to read. I've been googling off and on for days and I can't seem to find an answer- anyone have a clue how I can change it? I'm running jessie with backported cinnamon 3.2. Screenshot: http://pasteboard.co/BfqtTxdu7.png
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02:12<jm_>there's nothing in Cinnamon Settings -> Themes ?
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02:22<awal1>Futurama140, that's theming related, I believe.
02:22<awal1>is that a third party theme?
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03:12<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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04:58<kixem>i want to install debian testing. is it a good time now or should i wait for the next stable release?
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05:03<TotallyNotKim>depends on you
05:03<TotallyNotKim>but why not
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05:05<dissector>i am running testing. it is stable.
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05:08<kixem>is there a live testing .iso ?
05:08<kixem>i didnt find one
05:09<dissector>i didn't see one.
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05:10<petn-randall>kixem: If you already have a running Debian, you can just upgrade. I'd read the release notes carefully though, stretch is still a several months away from release.
05:10<koleygr>if you don't really have a reason to use testing I would suggest stable... Stable is more stable... lol
05:13<kixem>i want some newer packages that are too complex to compile from source. so... testing.
05:13<dissector>same here
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05:23<koleygr>ok... so you have a reason... just upgrade your current installation (if one)... Or install... there is no live as I know but the installation is simple anyway.... If stable was working probably you will not have problem with testing too...
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05:36<kixem>does netinst have gparted? want to do some partition changes
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05:37<Echoz>kixem: it has fdisk at least
05:38<petn-randall>kixem: It has it's own partioning tool, not parted though. Make sure to use the (net)installer, the live images are not well tested and aren't that suitable for installing Debian.
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05:39<kixem>ok. thanks
05:40<And1>Hey everyone. : ) Is there some beginner friendly/idiot proof step by step guide for installing/configuring/setting up unprivileged systemd-nspawn containers in debian jessie or stretch?
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07:18<kixem>just installed debian testing with mate desktop. there is no icon for network in the panel. ?
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07:20<swyngaard>mate doesn't come with one
07:21<kixem>ok. how do i connect to internet to install that?
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07:22<kixem>...from command line?
07:23<kixem>(i type this on another pc)
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07:23<jm_>use #debian-next for testing questions
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07:23<swyngaard>easiest if your hardware has an ethernet port. should automatically connect.
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07:24<kixem>i tried and it didnt
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07:25<kixem>jm_: i think the procedure is the same on stable..
07:25<jm_>kixem: you don't know the procedure, but yet you claim that?
07:26<kixem>is it different?
07:26<jm_>I don't know, I don't use a) network manager, b) testing
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07:27<crzyp3ck>do anyone knows how to enabl logging of channels in quasel irc client?
07:29<jm_>maybe try #quassel on freenode
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08:40<leni536>Hi, where can I find documentation for the file format of the files inside /usr/share/pam-configs ?
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08:56<Siecje>How do you run a service on boot?
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08:58<grawity>write a systemd .service file for it, then `systemctl enable` it
08:59<annadane>can anyone post an easy-to-understand guide of how you verify signatures from debian iso's? i've looked on the keyring site and it's confusing
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09:02<grawity>I guess `gpg --auto-key-retrieve --verify whatever.iso.sig` and then compare the shown fingerprint against https://www.debian.org/CD/verify
09:04<Siecje>grawity: There is a /etc/init.d/file for it
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09:05<annadane>grawity: just fyi, "gpg: WARNING: "--auto-key-retrieve" is a deprecated option gpg: please use "--keyserver-options auto-key-retrieve" instead"
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09:08<zathras>Siecje, from Jessie onwards systemd is the preferred daemon management system
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09:08<zathras>although init.d still works
09:09<Siecje>wheezy here
09:10<zathras>why? That is beyond ancient
09:10<zathras>consider upgrading
09:10<zathras>it is no longer supported
09:10<petn-randall>...
09:11<petn-randall>!wheezy-lts
09:11<dpkg>Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See http://deb.li/2aC for excluded packages. No changes to /etc/apt/sources.list are needed for wheezy-lts.
09:11<zathras>oeps. sorry
09:11<zathras>anyway. https://debian-administration.org/article/28/Making_scripts_run_at_boot_time_with_Debian
09:11<petn-randall>It's still supported, I just wouldn't do a new install with it, or use it on the desktop.
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09:16<Siecje>What is the difference between security support and LTS support? Seems like security would be the only thing you would care about.
09:17<petn-randall>Siecje: The both get security support, it's just that two different teams do it.
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09:18<Siecje>Okay thanks.
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09:19<petn-randall>Siecje: And the LTS support is more limited; it excluded many architectures, and also a few packages.
09:19<Siecje>I did `update-rc.d blah defaults` and got `update-rc.d: using dependency baseed boot sequencing` https://dpaste.de/PJgo
09:20<petn-randall>Siecje: Looks like it worked as expected. You can fix that warning by running 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' and enabling en_CA.UTF-8, btw.
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09:24<Siecje>Thanks
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09:39<annadane>!fr
09:39<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
09:39<eleve_>a toz
09:39<annadane>and please don't spam
09:40<eleve>AH
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10:38<ypwong>the ssl cert of archive.debian.net has expired, wonder if the admin is aware of?
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10:40<petn-randall>ypwong: I passed it along, thanks.
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10:42<petn-randall>ypwong: Can you ping Frank Lichtenheld with it? The mail address is on the front page.
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10:43<ypwong>petn-randall, sure, let me send him an email
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11:03<thresh>any idea when https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-6074 will be fixed for jessie?
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12:48<ModifiedDuck>hello?
12:48<ModifiedDuck>am i in the debian help irc?
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12:49*mtn looks at the topc. yup
12:49<ModifiedDuck>i am a bit over my head, i dont really understand irc
12:49<mtn>ModifiedDuck, yes you are. go ahead and ask your question
12:49<ModifiedDuck>im not sure if im doing it right
12:49<ModifiedDuck>ok thank you
12:49<ModifiedDuck>so, i'm trying to install debian stable on my laptop
12:50<ModifiedDuck>via usb stick
12:50<ModifiedDuck>but the machine never boots from the usb
12:50<ModifiedDuck>so far i have tried the following:
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12:50<blast007>how did you prepare the USB stick?
12:50<mtn>ModifiedDuck, how did you make the usb installer?
12:50<ModifiedDuck>using unetbootin to prepare the usb, using debian stable live xfce iso
12:50<ModifiedDuck>this didnt work
12:50<ModifiedDuck>later i tried the same
12:50<ModifiedDuck>with the netinst iso
12:51<annadane>!flood
12:51<dpkg>It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, ask me about <paste>
12:51<blast007>do not use unetbooting as it will break Debian's installer
12:51<annadane>wrong command
12:51<ModifiedDuck>what should i use?
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12:51<annadane>but yeah, try to include more text in your chat messages
12:51<blast007>ModifiedDuck: the install guide covers this: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en
12:51<ModifiedDuck>sorry, i dont know how this works, i will include more text in my messages. how should i prepare the usb stick?
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12:53<petn-randall>ModifiedDuck: What OS are you preparing the USB stick from? Windows?
12:53<ModifiedDuck>i am currently using Xubuntu 16.10
12:54<petn-randall>ModifiedDuck: In that case, just use 'cp debian.iso /dev/sdx', sdx being the usb stick. You can check the correct device name by running 'fdisk -l'
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12:54<prixtis>ModifiedDuck you can cp netinst.iso /dev/sdc if your usb stick is sdc
12:54<prixtis>but it will erase everyting on it
12:54<ModifiedDuck>should the stick be formatted in some particular way first?
12:55<blast007>no
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12:55<ModifiedDuck>OK, thank you very much. Sorry for flooding, i am new here, I dont know the rules. I will try your recommendations, have a nice day
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12:56<annadane>incidentally what's the proper command for that?
12:57<blast007>it's !enter
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14:31<ucho>hi all i have problem with my stream i make cam site on webrtc and i need to make something like cam simulator and i have problem with this i fount webcamstudio and i want to install it but i can't find repository for jessie, i try to install from tar.gz, i found also too v4l2loopback but i don't know how to stream to device any file
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14:40<master>hello
14:41<retrospectacus>hi
14:41<master>how are
14:41<master>you
14:41<retrospectacus>Welcome to #debian. Please ask your debian support question
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14:42<retrospectacus>!next
14:42<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
14:42<ucho>hi
14:42<retrospectacus>hi
14:45<ucho>!next
14:45<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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16:39<Echoz>is it possible to autologin as root with gdm3?
16:40<Echoz>currently all i get is a black screen. i've configured it to work manually however in gdm3 and pam
16:42<Echoz>never mind, i got it. I had to comment out the same line in /etc/pam.d/gdm-autologin
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16:49<somiaj>Echoz: It is usually suggested you don't run xorg as root
16:50<retrospectacus>!root x
16:50<dpkg>If you need to run an X application as root (or another user), ask me about <gksu> <sshx> <mit-magic-cookie> <xauth> or look at kdesu and gksudo. Whatever you do, don't use <xhost> or try <running x as root>! (For wheezy, you can also try <sux>)
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16:51<Echoz>somiaj: I know what I'm doing, and it's a VM for a very specific purpose
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17:49<k-man>does cron log what it's doing somewhere? particulary from the files on /etc/cron.d? some of my cron jobs aren't executing and I'm wondering where to look to work out why
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17:53<CeBe>k-man: afaik cronjob execution is logged in syslog
17:53<CeBe>but no idea where to look when they are not running
17:53<k-man>will soft links in /etc/cron.d be run? or it needs to be a real file?
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17:53<CeBe>links should work
17:54<CeBe>how about permissions to the files?
17:54<k-man>hmm... in syslog i see reports of hourly and daily being run, but nothing about cron.d
17:55<CeBe>maybe there is something wrong with the file. would you paste it?
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17:56<k-man>sure
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17:58<k-man>its a bit on the long side
17:58<k-man>http://sprunge.us/ZLTX
17:58<CeBe>k-man: wow, and none of them is running?
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18:00<k-man>well.. good question. I'm still investigating. the zfs snapshots aren't happening which is what allerted me to the problem
18:01<CeBe>k-man: line 30 is missing a user
18:01<CeBe># backup debian machine /home to local hourly
18:01<CeBe>the one after that
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18:01<k-man>good catch
18:02<k-man>does cron silently ignore the whole file if there is 1 single error?
18:03<somiaj>I think it logs the error
18:03<CeBe>it should log that, but yeah it affects the whole file if it can not make sense of it
18:04<k-man>i'm making a canary job, to see if that works
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18:07<CeBe>there does not seem to be a way to check syntax of a crontab, at least I could not find one, except editing with crontab -e
18:07<k-man>yep, that does
18:07<k-man>hmmm
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18:07<k-man>i think i should break this up into much smaller parts, at least if there was an error in one part, it wouldn't break everything
18:07<k-man>or move it all into crontab proper as you suggest
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18:09<k-man>http://serverfault.com/questions/819594/is-there-a-syntax-checker-for-cron-d-files
18:10<CeBe>nice
18:10<k-man>testing it now
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18:16<k-man>seems to work, it would have picked up that missing user error
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18:23<beorn>hi there, are you aware that https://archive.debian.org 's certificate has expired ?
18:23<beorn>The certificate expired on 02/19/2017 05:25. The current time is 02/23/2017 00:23
18:23<k-man>CeBe, thanks for your help, much appreciated
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18:24<CeBe>k-man: you're welcome
18:24<CeBe>beorn: I have seen it being mentioned here today, so someone seems to be aware of it.
18:24<k-man>must be more carefule with cron.d files in future
18:25<somiaj>beorn: this isn't the best place to report that bug, unsure who to contact for archive.debian.org though
18:25<beorn>somiaj: did not know where to knock ^^
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18:28<somiaj>beorn: I'll ping #debian-mentors, they may know. Thanks
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18:30<beorn>thanks :)
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18:35<somiaj>beorn: https://db.debian.org/machines.cgi?host=sibelius -- I was pointed at that, seems there is a mailing list, debian-admin@lists.debian.org, would you care to send them an email about this, I won't be able to until I get home.
18:36<beorn>i'll do that
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18:36<CeBe>somiaj: I found that but I have just found that on the debian website, so do not take it as an official answer :)
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18:37<somiaj>CeBe: the contact is a mailing list, which i was looking for an appropriate mailing list, so that is a good place to start.
18:37<CeBe>okay
18:38<beorn>somiaj: sent
18:39<somiaj>beorn: thanks for letting the debian-admin list know, they should hopefully be able to contact the correct admin for that cert.
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18:55<Diogenes>Good evening.
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18:55<Diogenes>I belive i have the wrong driver loaded for my Graphics Card
18:57<Diogenes>Using the command lspci -v shows that my Radeon R7 M260/M265 has "Kernel driver in use: amdgpu
18:57<Diogenes>"
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18:58<Diogenes>Which I belive stands for "xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu"
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18:59<Diogenes>My driver is not featured as supported by "xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu", but by "xserver-xorg-video-radeon"
18:59<Diogenes>I have both of this packages installed.
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19:00<Diogenes>these*
19:00<Diogenes>Could I switch between these drivers?
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19:05<Dionmauricio>Hello
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19:10<TobiX>Diogenes: kernel driver != xorg driver
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19:11<TobiX>But it seems there are both names as kernel driver also...
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19:11<TobiX>What is the PCI ID of your card?
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19:12<TobiX>Diogenes: (lspci -nn)
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19:22<Diogenes>04:00.0 Display controller [0380]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Topaz XT [Radeon R7 M260/M265] [1002:6900]
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19:23<Diogenes>Sorry for holding you up.
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19:27<dan__>Hi, so I'm having graphics driver issues. I installed the firmware-linux-nonfree package, so now it's attempting to use the amdgpu drivers that come preinstalled with debian stretch. I think my card is incompatible with these drivers because it crashes my computer to black if I try to get into my DE, I only have access to the terminal through recovery mode or CTRL+ALT+F1.
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19:34<somiaj>dan__: you may need to write a small xorg.conf snippit, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-radeon.conf that forces you to use the radeon driver if picking amdgpu is causing problems
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19:35<Diogenes>I think that just might solve my problem as well.
19:35<dan__>saomiaj: I think the radeon driver is also incompibatible with my card, an r9 390?
19:36<Diogenes>The radeon driver supports my graphics card, but the amdgpu driver is being loaded instead.
19:37<somiaj>dan__: unsure then, what you are wanting to use, the generic vesa driver, that won't have any hardware support.
19:39<Diogenes>But hey, how would you go about making it load xserver-xorg-video-radeon instead of xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu?
19:39<dan__>somiaj: I'm unsure as well, I'm a total linux newbie and I have no idea what drivers support my card except the amdgpu-pro drivers which only officially have ubuntu and red hat support, and have to be downloaded from AMD's site
19:43<Diogenes>Doesn't the "firmware-amd-graphics" package support your graphics card, Dan?
19:44<Diogenes>Maybe you could check in its description with "apt show firmware-amd-graphics"
19:44<dan__>I definitely have the firmware-amd-graphics package installed
19:45<Diogenes>:/
19:45<dan__>No, it only support the 290
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19:55<dan__>somiaj: I think the Radeon drivers might be worth a go, I'm seeing people online saying their 390 worked with them and I can't make the issue any worse. How would I do that?
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19:58<Diogenes>Hello again.
19:59<Diogenes>If there's new people since I left,
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19:59<Diogenes>I believe that my Radeon Graphics Card was loading the incorrect kernel driver.
20:00<dan__>You get it working Diogenes?
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20:00<Diogenes>I'm sorry, I didn't.... :/
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20:01<dan__>It's cool lol, I think I'm going to try the Radeon drivers because I see some people talking online about using them with a 390 so I was just wondering.
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20:02<Diogenes>I uninstalled the xserver-xorg-video-amgpu and the firmware-amd-graphics, hoping that on reboot it would load the xserver-xorg-video-radeon, the only driver left.
20:02<somiaj>dan__: http://paste.debian.net/916311/
20:03<Diogenes>My computer didn't turn into a black screen thankfully. XD
20:03<Diogenes>It works just as before.
20:03<somiaj>and then put that in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-radeon.conf, if that directory doesn't exist create it
20:03<somiaj>or do as Diogenes suggests and just remove the amdgpu driver.
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20:04<dan__>Just removing the driver sounds simpler
20:04<Diogenes>Which goes to show that those drivers weren't doing anythin in the first place.
20:04<Diogenes>But it didn't automatically load the xserver-xorg-video-radeon
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20:05<dan__>Hmm that's strange
20:05<Diogenes>So, how do I load a driver? Anyone?
20:05<Diogenes>XD
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20:08<somiaj>Diogenes: what drivers does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say were loaded?
20:09<somiaj>there is also a generic modeseting driver that is sometimes loaded
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20:09<somiaj>that config file I pasted can force the driver that is loaded.
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20:11<Diogenes>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/d1d586e1/
20:11<Diogenes>Wow, that was a long response... XD
20:12<dan__>somiaj: I don't think I have a Xorg.conf file.
20:12<dan__>I was trying to generate before I came here, was getting some weird error stuff. I thought it autogenerated when you boot
20:12<somiaj>dan__: you shouldn't it, but you can create one, or create the directory /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d and put that file 20-radeon.conf inside of it.
20:13<somiaj>no, xorg tries to autodetect things, config file is only needed if it detects things wrong
20:13<dan__>I see.
20:13<Diogenes>Hm, in this response "radeon" doesn't show up anywhere...
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20:14<somiaj>Diogenes: an intel driver is loading, do you have one of those hybrid setups with both an intel video card and a radeon video card?
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20:14<Diogenes>Yes, I do.
20:14<somiaj>those are just a pain in linux, I don't know the best suggestion
20:14<somiaj>!bumblebee
20:14<dpkg>The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net.
20:15<somiaj>!primus
20:15<dpkg>"Primus... Join Us..."
20:15<Diogenes>Primus? XD
20:16<Diogenes>But, you see,
20:16<somiaj>well I was trying to see if there was an amd/intel tool, but unsure if bumblebee also works for the intel/amd pair, but I have no experience with such hardware
20:16<dan__>Ok well, I'm gonna go try this force radeon thing. I'll be back soon
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20:16<Diogenes>Oh, I see.
20:17<Diogenes>Previously, I had in this machine a Linux 3.16 with the xserver-xorg-video-radeon from the testing repository.
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20:18<Diogenes>It was working, no problems.
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20:18<Diogenes>But now I updated to Linux 4.9 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon was released in backports as well.
20:19<Diogenes>Figured it was the time to remove testing depedencies from my build.
20:19<Diogenes>It didn't require any additional packages, at least with 3.16...
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20:26<sleser>im trying to open wine uninstaller from terminal and it shows me Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly.
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20:29<somiaj>sleser: are you running xorg?
20:29<sleser>but if i go to wine directory windows system32 open wineuninstaller.exe itll open
20:29<sleser>im not sure i think back on wheezy i installed drivers for video
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20:29<somiaj>this is not video, are you inside of a graphical enviorment?
20:30<sleser>yes i am
20:30<sleser>im using a kde
20:30<somiaj>might just need DISPLAY=:0 wine command
20:30<dan_>somiaj you're amazing
20:30<dan_>it worked
20:30<somiaj>seems the terminal you are using doens't have the DISPLAY variable set correctly, are you trying this as root?
20:30<sleser>no as sudo
20:31<somiaj>well sudo means root, sudo will clean up the enviorment, why do you need to run a wine uninstaller as root?
20:31<sleser>i think it didnt work before
20:31<sleser>after ones now i went open manualy . i tryed from terminal typing it in and now it works
20:32<somiaj>you most likely don't need to be running wine commands as root, even if it is to run an uninstaller, this should all be done as your user
20:32<sleser>now it works
20:32<sleser>why did i have to ones go and open it with a mouse
20:32<sleser>and looks like it fixed the problem
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20:37<Dan__>OK well damn
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20:37<Dan__>It worked for like 45 seconds and then crashed the same way it always does
20:39<Guest1424>hi
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20:40<milo_>hi people
20:40<Dan__>Yo
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20:41<milo_>i m quite new in this world, but i found Debian one of the best things in my life :D so i m joing this chanell :D
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20:41<Dan__>Cool :D, o
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20:41<Dan__>i've been having an infinite struggle trying to get it working properly xD i'm happy for you tho
20:42<milo_>at this point i m learning and hoping to be a good sys admin, and i suppose that chanells like this can be helpful resources of infos from exp users ?
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20:42<milo_>For now my debian is stable as australian dolar man :d
20:43<milo_>there is one thing that is confusing for me. I have a big passion to became a sys admin , and workign on linx. But, it is a real big world . I did read a few books, watch several video trainings experiment for a little
20:44<milo_>but still i have one confusing point here
20:44<Dan__>You know more than me, I'd help if I could
20:44<milo_>how long are you learning working od Debian ?
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20:45<annadane>!offtopic
20:45<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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20:47<Diogenes>Hello
20:47<Diogenes>Still with the Radeon problems.
20:47<Diogenes>Some messages appear for me on boot,
20:48<Diogenes>Saying which drivers were unable to load.
20:48<sney>do you have a pastebin of that
20:48<Diogenes>I don't, how could I recover it?
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20:49<Diogenes>There was a command, I just forgot which it was -_-
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20:51<somiaj>Diogenes: dmesg?
20:51<Diogenes>YUS!
20:53<Diogenes>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/cea504b4/
20:53<Diogenes>This part.
20:55<Diogenes>I just updated the Intel Broadwell driver to the one available on backports, to see if it would work if both my graphic cards were at the backports version...
20:56<Diogenes>Maybe I should instal amdgpu again, see if now it would work.
20:56<Diogenes>Who knows?!
20:56<annadane>oh boy more amdgpu questions
20:56<Diogenes>XD
20:56<Diogenes>They're all the rage now?
20:56<annadane>(there was someone in here yesterday whose problem i was banging my head against the wall at)
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20:58<Diogenes>And what seemed to be the problem?
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20:59<annadane>oh i have no idea, i never solved it
20:59<annadane>but anyway, don't want to get off topic
20:59<Diogenes>XD
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20:59<Diogenes>Ok, here's the deal.
21:00<Diogenes>Everything was fine and well when I used the 3.16 Linux with the xserver-xorg-radeon-driver from the testing repository.
21:01<Diogenes>And then both the xserver-xorg-radeon-driver and linux 4.9 were released in backports, and I tried to eliminate testing repositories from my machine.
21:02<Diogenes>So I got the error above, amdgpu missing.
21:03<Diogenes>I downloaded the xserver-xorg-amdgpu-driver.
21:03<Diogenes>Everything a-ok.
21:03<Diogenes>But Open GL wasn't working.
21:04<Diogenes>So uninstalled it, figured amdgpu might be getting in the way of loading xserver-xorg-radeon-driver
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21:04<Diogenes>But had no effect, when I use lspci -v, it simply shows that my Radeon doesn't have any kernel driver loaded now.
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21:06<Diogenes>But anyway, I don't know why it even asks for amdgpu, my driver isn't listed in its supported graphic cards as it does with the radeon xorg.
21:06<somiaj>Diogenes: do you have firmware-amd-graphics installed?
21:07<Diogenes>Good!
21:07<Diogenes>I unistalled it with amdgpu in order to leave just radeon.
21:07<somiaj>lsmod | grep radeon is the radeon driver loaded?
21:07<Diogenes>Let's try firmware+radeon
21:08<somiaj>this is at the kenerel level, you may have to blacklist the amdgpu driver, but first, the dmesg error says you are missing firmware, do you have that firmware package installed?
21:09<Diogenes>I get no response for "lsmod | grep radeon"...
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21:09<Diogenes>Well, if it refers to firmware-amd-graphics, then no.
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21:10<Diogenes>Ill install see if it changes anything...
21:10<Diogenes>Would I have to reboot again to check?
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21:12<Diogenes>I'll... go ahead and reboot. Be right back.
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21:17<Diogenes>Ok, now it shows " Kernel driver in use: amdgpu"
21:17<Diogenes>Still no Open GL...
21:18<Diogenes>sudo su -c 'lsmod | grep radeon' still yields no return.
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21:21<Diogenes>Wait, there's a new message in dmesg!
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21:22<Diogenes>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/16559c79/
21:22<Diogenes>"cant't get the mac of 5", "VBIOS did not find boot engine clock value"
21:23<Diogenes>What does it meeeeeeeean? -_-
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21:25<Diogenes>It even has a typo 'cant't' XD
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21:26<somiaj>Diogenes: try to install firmware-amd-graphics and use the amdgpu drive again since that is what it wants to use
21:27<somiaj>Diogenes: you may have to blacklist the amdgpu module and load the radeon if that fails.
21:29<Diogenes>All righty.
21:29<Diogenes>Give me a minute
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21:40<Diogenes>Hello.
21:40<Diogenes>Just a second, paste.debian is being unussualy slow to load on Tor.
21:41<Diogenes>I'm going to try to get to it through firefox
21:41<somiaj>the server is sometimes slow
21:42<Diogenes>Huh, I think that's the case.
21:42<Diogenes>It's lagging on both Tor and Firefox.
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21:42<Diogenes>Do we have any altertatives to debian pastebin?
21:43<annadane>regular pastebin?
21:43<annadane>pastebin.com
21:43<Diogenes>Thanks. XD
21:43<somiaj>!pastebin.com
21:43<dpkg>pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/
21:43<annadane>or write it in longhand and send it via courier pigeon
21:43<Diogenes>I was thinking it was something like that... XD
21:43<annadane>oh, sorry
21:43<somiaj>github is nicer
21:45<Diogenes>Huh!
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21:46<Diogenes>https://gist.github.com/anonymous/0bea965f7be622ec63f1ee5d2fe531d5
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21:50<Diogenes>Hello?
21:50<Diogenes>Are we back?
21:51<Diogenes>What was that all about? XD
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21:52<Doctor_Pi>I don't know.
21:53<Doctor_Pi>Looks like somebody went postal.
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21:54<annadane>have a question of my own, what's a good file transfer program for debian? right now i'm copying files from my hard drive to external drive and it's taking forever
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21:55<Doctor_Pi>annadane: it may not be the software. It might the external drive's interface.
21:55<annadane>mmm
21:55<Doctor_Pi>annadane: what is the external drive (USB 2.0)?
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21:56<annadane>not sure how to check?
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21:56<annadane>i know that copying files from the external drive to the hard drive is miles faster
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21:57<Doctor_Pi>annadane: writing to an external drive is slower than reading from one.
21:57<annadane>figured that
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21:58<annadane>i'm currently transferring 54 GB so i'm not surprised if it's taking a while and i don't think there's a faster method
21:58<annadane>anyway, back to diogenes's issue
21:58<Doctor_Pi>annadane: Is the external drive a flash drive?
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21:59<annadane>i don't think so
21:59<Diogenes>Hello?
21:59<Diogenes>XD
21:59<Diogenes>What was that?
21:59<Doctor_Pi>annadane: regular drive with spinning disks?
21:59<annadane>it does vibrate so i assume so
21:59<somiaj>annadane: I prefer rsync
22:00<somiaj>annadane: external drives over usb2 will be slow, but rsync can make it so only files that change get coppied each backup
22:00<Doctor_Pi>annadane: what's the external drive model?
22:00<Diogenes>Anyway, here's the dmesg I said I would get: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/0bea965f7be622ec63f1ee5d2fe531d5
22:00<annadane>oh, it says toshiba USB 3.0
22:01<somiaj>annadane: are you plugged into a usb3 port, it could be you are only using usb2
22:01<annadane>it's an old computer, i'm probably on usb 2
22:01<annadane>i guess i can lsusb
22:01<somiaj>Diogenes: okay looks like you correctly loaded the firmware, did reinstalling xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu work or still having problem
22:02<somiaj>annadane: you might want to look at dmesg to see the actual driver that is being used, but yes older machines will only be usb2, it will be slow.
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22:02<Diogenes>Same problem. Actually, I picked up a larger sample from the dsmesg this time, but maybe we have had the same return in the previous attempt.
22:03<Diogenes>The behaviour is the same.
22:03<Diogenes>So about blacklisting amdgpu and loading radeon...
22:04<somiaj>add blacklist amdgpu to a file like /etc/modprobe.d/amdgpu-blacklist.conf
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22:04<somiaj>also check that the radeon driver is not being blacklisted in there
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22:08<Diogenes>Sorry, disconnected.
22:09<Dan__>ok so i have more amdgpu questions xD
22:09<Diogenes>So about blacklisting amdgpu and loading radeon...
22:09<Dan__>Oh I got mine to do that, it still crashed inside KDE tho :/
22:10<Diogenes>Is this chat under attack or something? Are all of these logins and logoffs commonplace?
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22:15<Dan__>annadane: Hey, you here? I have better information now than I did yesterday
22:15<somiaj>add blacklist amdgpu to a file like /etc/modprobe.d/amdgpu-blacklist.conf
22:15<somiaj>also check that the radeon driver is not being blacklisted in there
22:15<annadane>?
22:16<Dan__>oh ok hi
22:18<Dan__>So I found out that the weird stutter thing was caused by me not having installed firmware-linux-nonfree. When I installed that it started using the amdgpu drivers it ships with, but it crashes me to a black screen now so 100% those drivers are compatible with my card.
22:20<annadane>i don't suppose you have a console output or an idea of what makes you crash to a black screen
22:20<Dan__>I could check the /var/logs if you'd like
22:21<annadane>that would be a sensible course of action
22:21<Dan__>Alright. I'll be back in a bit then
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23:02<Dan__>annadane: I have no idea what I was supposed to see
23:02<annadane>dmesg should give you logs?
23:03<Dan__>oh i was doing like
23:03<Dan__>cd/var/log
23:03<Dan__>nano xorg.0.log
23:03<annadane>yeah, that was dumb on my part, i wasn't paying attention
23:03<Dan__>so go try dmesg?
23:03<annadane>but i mean, if your machine doesn't even start i assume that you're typing on a different machine to the one you're having problems on
23:04<annadane>doesn't start/black screen, whatever
23:04<Dan__>I'm just hopping to windows
23:04<Dan__>Like it works fine up until like, I get to the DM screen
23:04<annadane>dm screen?
23:04<Dan__>and then within 30 seconds it cuts black
23:04<Dan__>er sorry, login?
23:05<Dan__>sddm is the DM, i thought the technical term was "dm" when you get to the login page
23:06<annadane>i think this calls for someone who knows more than i do but i guess my suggestion is to try to get logs which will tell you what's going on, not sure if you can boot without a GUI and you can then see the logs from your previous blacking out...
23:06<Dan__>that's what i was trying to
23:06<annadane>or via recovery mode? i'm not sure
23:06<Dan__>yes i was in recovery mode
23:07<annadane>or perhaps there's a ready made explanation without testing more which would explain the blacking out, i'm stuck at this point
23:07<Dan__>I thought the explanation was that the drivers that come installed with debian don't support my card
23:08<annadane>and you then installed the firmware package which gives you a current uptime of ~45 seconds
23:08<Dan__>Right, before I installed the firmware package the linux couldn't make use of the drivers
23:08<annadane>but yeah you said it crashes once you get the dm
23:09<annadane>i'm honestly flummoxed
23:09<Dan__>Uhm, we talked about the Mesa drivers right?
23:09<annadane>yeah as a temporary fix
23:09<annadane>the issue being, how do you install those if you keep blacking out
23:09<Dan__>I think it might be the only thing that supports my card :/
23:10<Dan__>Are the mesa drivers not in the Stretch repos?
23:10<annadane>https://packages.debian.org/source/stretch/mesa
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23:11<annadane>though that's a source package
23:11<Dan__>I have these :/
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23:11<Dan__>like if i do "apt install mesa" it'll tell me i have this stuff, stretch ships with it
23:12<annadane>i'm sorry, i don't know
23:12<Dan__>ok, well thanks
23:14<annadane>usual suggestion of bug people on the mailing list still applies
23:17<dvs>What card is it?
23:18<annadane>r9 390 IIRC
23:18<dvs>Hmmmm.... I have an R9 380 and I had to use a backported kernel.
23:18<dvs>and radeon driver.
23:19<annadane>Dan__
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23:34<Dan__>Backported kernel?
23:34<Dan__>is that, uh, difficult? xD
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