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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-02-23

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00:33<daurnimator>australian debian mirror super slow today?
00:33<daurnimator>I'm getting 1KB/s
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00:58<awal1>daurnimator, a closest mirror doesn't mean a faster one
00:59<daurnimator>correct. but 1KB/s is far below expectations
00:59<daurnimator>especially for an official/recommended mirror
00:59<awal1>just change to another one
01:00<daurnimator>yeah I did, but it was a bit of a pain cause it was baked into my cowbuilder images
01:00<awal1>I almost use u's' one, almost always fine
01:00<awal1>'us'
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01:04<daurnimator>I don't have great bandwidth to the US
01:05<awal1>tere is some few utilities for debian mirros stuff
01:05<awal1>I don't remember the names
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01:09<awal1>check 'netselect-apt'
01:09<awal1>also 'apt-spy'
01:11<themill>daurnimator: the au mirrors are all crap
01:11<themill>deb.debian.org isn't bad though or cloudfront.debian.net
01:11<daurnimator>themill: why? and who can we complain to?
01:11<themill>they're all badly run; the people who run them; they don't care
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01:12<awal1>http://http.debian.net/
01:13<themill>awal1: no, deb.debian.org
01:13<awal1>check instructions
01:13<themill>yes, you should ;)
01:13<themill>daurnimator: (ftp.au.d.o is in WA and I don't know how well connected it is; it's a non-profit running it where normally it would be some a uni with a very fat pipe)
01:13<awal1>themill, that is a link for instructions not a mirror
01:13<awal1>:P
01:13<themill>awal1: yes, and you should read them
01:14<themill>!http.debian.net
01:14<dpkg>The httpredir.debian.org redirector (based on HTTP 302s) was shutdown on 2017-02-13 and replaced by <deb.debian.org>. Existing entries in sources.list will keep working as the DNS entries for httpredir.debian.org have been pointed to deb.debian.org.
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01:16<daurnimator>themill: which non-profit?
01:16<awal1>what will be the "official" stretch sources example?
01:16<themill>awal1: what does that even mean?
01:16<awal1>I mean what the installer will do / offer
01:17<themill>daurnimator: WA branch of the Internet Assoc of Aust
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01:17<themill>awal1: the installer will continue to offer a bazillion options for mirrors
01:17<awal1>ok
01:17<daurnimator>themill: as long as it's not a brazilian list of mirrors ;)
01:18<awal1>:D
01:18<themill>heh
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01:22<nasa9527>Hello
01:22<nasa9527>你好
01:22<alkisg>!cn
01:22<dpkg>如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助,請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道,連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明,或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作!
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01:24<nasa9527>谁在啊
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02:13<kixem>installed debian with mate and can not connect to network. help please
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02:24<alkisg>kixem: wired or wireless network?
02:24<kixem>nothing works
02:24<kixem>tried both
02:25<alkisg>kixem: if you run `ip l` in a terminal, does it show e.g. enp3s0: .... state UP ?
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02:26<kixem>enp7s0 ... state DOWN
02:26<alkisg>kixem: connect the cable then
02:26<kixem>wlp8s0 .... state DOWN
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02:28<kixem>connected the cable and same result
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02:30<alkisg>kixem: do you see the green light blinking in your network card or in your switch/router, meaning that you successfully connected the cable?
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02:32<kixem>yes. blinking
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02:33<alkisg>kixem: do you see the network icon in the panel changing shapes, meaning that it tries to get an ip?
02:34<alkisg>Or is it the icon that means "no network" even when you plug/unplug the cable?
02:34<jm_>are you still on testing and not willing to continue in #debian-next?
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02:34<alkisg>Ah, there's history in this? :)
02:35<kixem>there is not a network icon in panel. i checked and network-manager or wicd is not installed!
02:35<alkisg>Then you didn't install mate properly, as it depends on network manager
02:36<alkisg>sudo dhclient enp7s0; might give you network to be able to install more stuff
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02:40<kixem>typed the dhclient command but still cant ping anything
02:41<alkisg>OK, reinstall properly then
02:41<kixem>... state UP this time
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02:42<kixem>i didnt do anything strange during installation...
02:43<alkisg>You installed Debian Jessie and selected the Mate desktop and did not get network-manager?
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02:44<kixem>debian testing with mate desktop
02:44<alkisg>Then ask in #debian-next...
02:44<kixem>no network manager
02:44<alkisg>Support is a different concept than testing
02:45<kixem>ok
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03:44<kixem>trying to install debian 8. "Load missing firmware from removable media" is not working. what should i do?
03:45<jm_>!firmware images
03:45<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>.
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03:47<kixem>thank you
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03:48<jm_>no problem
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05:46<yoh>hellow
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05:46<koleygr>hi
05:47<yoh>how are you
05:47<koleygr>fine
05:47<yoh>what are you doing
05:47<itd>dpkg: chat
05:47<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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05:48<koleygr><yoh> check #debian-offtopic too
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05:49<yoh>error while loading shared libraries: libpng12.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
05:49<yoh>how can i correct this error?
05:50<itd>yoh: install libpng12-0
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05:51<yoh>cannot access archive 'libpng12-0_1.2.50-2+deb8u2_amd64.deb': No such file or directory
05:51<itd>dpkg: bat
05:51<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
05:52<itd>yoh: ^
05:52<yoh>dpkg -i libpng12-0_1.2.50-2+deb8u2_amd64.deb; apt-get install -f
05:52<yoh>dpkg: error: cannot access archive 'libpng12-0_1.2.50-2+deb8u2_amd64.deb': No such file or directory
05:52<yoh>Reading package lists... Done
05:52<yoh>Building dependency tree
05:52<yoh>Reading state information... Done
05:52<dpkg>package libpng12-0_1.2.50-2+deb8u2_amd64.deb; apt-get install -f is already installed
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05:57<jack_>i don't know what you are talking about
05:57<jack_>where is the identify command
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05:59<EmleyMoor>I'm getting an IMAP fetch error in Claws Mail when it is connecting to a dovecot server on one of my other machines. It is not obvious why. I have restarted both. It seems to poll for new mail OK (see http://paste.debian.net/916362/) but fails when I try to actually read the mail: http://paste.debian.net/916363/ - what could be wrong? My phone still seems to get mail OK
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06:07<jack_>IDENTIFY
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06:07<EmleyMoor>...?
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06:08<EmleyMoor>jack_: For NickServ? You /msg NuickServ IDENTIFY <the password you set>
06:09<EmleyMoor>Nickserv*
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06:12<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... need a "reboot will be required" update anyway... will see if it changes anything
06:13<nickg__>Is there an english pdf of either the installation manual or the installer internals or the FAQ as I can not find any around?
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06:15<jm_>there is english PDF yes
06:15<jm_>https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual has the links
06:15<nickg__>where as on the manuals portions of the debian site I could not find it?
06:16<jm_>you can't find it on that URL?
06:16<nickg__>are you talking about https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals
06:17<jm_>no, https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
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06:17<nickg__>ok no wonder why I could not locate it.
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06:20<nickg__>I am looking for a full pdf document on the manual not an on line single page html version.
06:20<nickg__>where the entire manual is in one file
06:21<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... now I seem to have big trouble. Chrome won't stay open (closes at once) and Dropbox won't start, saying there's a permissions error...
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06:21<jm_>are you messing with me? the PDF line for each architecture on that page has all the links
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06:23<EmleyMoor>http://paste.debian.net/916367/ - my Dropbox error - what is it telling me is wrong?
06:24<nickg__>ok I just found it I am totally blind and that page has some links that could be labeled better for use with a screen reader and a braille display. Would writing the documentation team about methods on improoving the accessibility for these manuals be a good thing to do?
06:25<jm_>ok sorry, maybe next time mention that and I'd give you a direct link
06:25<jm_>I'd say yes, if you find something that can be improved, by all means submit a bug
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06:33<nickg__>Are there any good tools for creating pdf documents that are free or do I have to buy the full Adobe acrobat program under windows to make pdf files?
06:33<EmleyMoor>Is there a way I can "rolling screenshot" a window that stays open only briefly?
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06:36<jm_>EmleyMoor: as in screencast tools?
06:36<jm_>nickg__: make pdf from what?
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06:37<nickg__>lots of html or xml files like how the installation guide is made from?
06:37*EmleyMoor thinks he's run out of quota (!)
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06:39<nickg__>I notice that kernel.org has 4.10 kernel but sid only has 4.9 is there a 4.10 kernel for debian I can test?
06:39<towo^work>experimental
06:39<jm_>for html to PDF one can always use a browser, for XML possibly they use SGML? no idea as I never looked what debian documentation is written in
06:40<nickg__>so just copy sid to that then how do I install the latest kernel?
06:40<towo^work>nickg__, if you have to ask, don't do it
06:40<nickg__>so firefox can make pdf files out of many html documents into one single pdf file?
06:41<nickg__>I know the basic process just was wondering if I had it correct.
06:41<jm_>ahh no, it has print to file, but it only works for current page, no doubt there's something out there that can automate it
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06:44<jm_>heh one of the first hits for html to pdf is stackoverflow question where someone mentions firefox command line printer
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06:45<nickg___>Currently I am running ext4 is btrfs better and is there a safe mygreating method or would I have to reinstall?
06:45<EmleyMoor>Indeed, I was out of quota
06:45<nickg___>Currently I am running ext4 is btrfs better and is there a safe mygreating method or would I have to reinstall?
06:45<nickg___>I got kicked off
06:47<EmleyMoor>(have doubled it - have added lots of disk space since I set it anyway and it's mainly there to ration others' use
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06:47<nickg___>Do you run a hosting companyas putting a quota on your own system is strange?
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06:52<EmleyMoor>nickg___: I permit a handful of friends to make use of my system, and set disk quotas for them. When I initially set it up disk space was not as plentiful, so I set a large quota for myself, but not so large the actual space would run out if the others filled their space
06:53<nickg___>that makes sence now I understand your point.
06:53<EmleyMoor>Some of my users are over 3000 miles away
06:53<nickg___>With dropbox is there a way to set it up where I don't need to install X windows just to get it working on debian?
06:56<jm_>there are several fuse plugins for dropbox it seems
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06:58<nickg___>So you are saying don't use the dropbox client from dropbox.com?
06:59<jm_>I am just saying that would be one of your options or http://www.dropboxwiki.com/tips-and-tricks/install-dropbox-in-an-entirely-text-based-linux-environment
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07:28<ivan>sping
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07:29<petn-randall>ivan: pong
07:29<ivan>identify
07:29<petn-randall>ivan: Do you need help with Debian?
07:29<ivan>'IDENTIFY'
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07:29<ivan>SPING
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07:30<duclicsic>just close the window mate
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07:31<petn-randall>ivan: /quit
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07:31<duclicsic>hurrah
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07:33<BigMommy>hi
07:34<BigMommy>I'm new on Linux, i have some question. Is it Possible to have multiple Desktop Environment installed on my PC?
07:35<petn-randall>BigMommy: yes
07:35<BigMommy>Like Gnome with KDE?
07:35<petn-randall>That's still yes
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07:36<BigMommy>Thank you sir, how do i reply with your tag name in it?
07:38<petn-randall>BigMommy: Most IRC client allow autocompletion. So you type 'petn<tab>', and it will expand it to 'petn-randall: '.
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07:39<BigMommy>petn-randall, thank you again. :)
07:39<petn-randall>BigMommy: You're welcome. If you install Gnome and KDE, on the login screen you'll get a menu to select your DE.
07:40<BigMommy>petn-randall: is it on "ScrewDriver" icon right?
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07:45<petn-randall>BigMommy: Probably, haven't used it in a while.
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07:47<BigMommy>petn-randall, Do you have chromium installed on your device?
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07:48<petn-randall>BigMommy: Yes, do you need help with it?
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07:50<BigMommy>is it my problem or something, i cannot install the extensions
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07:50<jonalex>hola
07:50<BigMommy>jonalex, hola
07:51<jm_>BigMommy: maybe this https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=851927 ?
07:51<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/851927 in chromium (closed): «chromium: add extensions option to CHROMIUM_FLAGS»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2017-01-20; last modified: 2017-02-05.
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07:55<BigMommy>owh, i though will work with chrome crx add ons
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08:03<somiaj>BigMommy: you can add your own custom flags in /etc/chromium.d/ config files if needed.
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08:09<BigMommy>somiaj, could you give me tutorial, site?
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08:52<EmleyMoor>What causes this message in the logs: Feb 23 05:00:44 fitzalan sshd[2546]: fatal: no matching cipher found: client aes128-cbc,blowfish-cbc,3des-cbc server aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-gcm@openssh.com,aes256-gcm@openssh.com,chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com [preauth]
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08:53<alkisg>An ssh client tried to connect to your server, and they had no common encryption method?
08:53<EmleyMoor>alkisg: Yes, but which ssh client?
08:54<EmleyMoor>(it really isn't a helpful message as it stands)
08:54<alkisg>EmleyMoor: well, the one from whatever remote client tried to connect, are you searching for the ip?
08:55<EmleyMoor>If I had somewhere to search for it, yes
08:55<alkisg>Doesn't it include any ip or hostname in that message?
08:55<EmleyMoor>No
08:55<alkisg>Maybe you would need to increase verbosity for that then
08:56<alkisg>I.e. LogLevel in sshd_config
08:56<EmleyMoor>Hmm... need some idea of how far...
08:56<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: Set it up, try to connect. If it doesn't contain the IP, increase it.
08:56<petn-randall>rinse, repeat.
08:57<EmleyMoor>petn-randall: How would I try to connect like whoever keeps triggering this message is doing?
08:58<alkisg>That part is easy, just specify -c in ssh
08:58<alkisg>You can even try from localhost and run ssh -c "list of ciphers" localhost
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09:01<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... not even getting than message
09:01<alkisg>Did you try with the client ciphers that you see in that message?
09:01<EmleyMoor>Ah, good point...
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09:06<EmleyMoor>OK - with Verbose log I do get an accompanying line with the IP
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09:46<gargaml>hi!
09:46<gargaml>I'm trying to configure my keyboards
09:47<gargaml>I have a laptop and a usb keyboard (azerty layout on the laptop and fr bepo layout on the usb one)
09:47<gargaml>I'm relying on InputClass to perform the configuration
09:47<gargaml>http://paste.debian.net/916414/
09:47<gargaml>and it works well
09:48<gargaml>yet since there is udev and unique id, I'd like to replace MatchDevicePath with something more accurate
09:49<gargaml>so I've been using udevadm to get the /dev/input/by-id/... of my usb keyboard
09:50<gargaml>got this with udevadm monitor -p
09:50<gargaml>http://paste.debian.net/916416/
09:51<gargaml>so I tried to replace /dev/input/event* with /dev/input/by-id/usb-TypeMatrix.com_USB_Keyboard-event-if01
09:51<gargaml>but it doesn't work
09:51<gargaml>is there a specific limitation with MatchDevicePath?
09:52<gargaml>or am I doing something wrong...
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10:11<RedSSaibot>habla clar
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10:15<annadane>!es
10:15<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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10:30<zathras>Hi. Given a virtualenv install as a separate non-shell user of software under /srv what would be a proper configurarion for /etc/gunicorn to support that? Or should I add something like waitress or supervisord ?
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10:30<zathras>(django stuff which is supposed to be running as uwcgi under nginx
10:32<zathras>on the net I see some handcrafted solutions, but I prefere a proper Debian style solution)
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10:44<freeza45>hey anyone there?
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10:45<annadane>!ask
10:45<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:45<freeza45>i need some help if anyones there
10:46<petn-randall>freeza45: See above
10:46<freeza45>ok i saw that i just didnt think anyone was paying attention
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10:49<freeza45>i have a dual display set up but its far from ideal right now. i am using xrandr to do it manually and then running that display sdcript at startup. my problem is that when i restart the icons are still moving to the farest left on my second monitor rather than left of my main monitor -also my conky is messing up now its an extended display and i basically need to get my main monitor to function by itself .. hopefully that makes sense
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10:50<freeza45>i want extended display but its like its not properly setting my main display as primary in xrandr
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10:50<awal1>freeza45, which WM/DE?
10:51<freeza45>btw im still kind of new to debian and linux
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10:51<freeza45>um.. window manager? honestly im not sure but im using xfce
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10:52<freeza45>sorry, i can look it up real quick
10:52<awal1>I was using dual monitor under xfce and all works perfectly
10:52<awal1>you may be configuring things not well via cli
10:52<awal1>use xfce tools
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10:53<freeza45>well im not using the latest xfce just the one i got when i installed debian
10:53<freeza45>but it doesnt have all the options as on many websites (my xfce)
10:53<freeza45>because i tried to do it in gui before
10:53<awal1>not sure since when xfce have support for multi monitors
10:53<freeza45>it supports it but i dont have all the options
10:53<awal1>I almost reffer to sid version
10:54<duclicsic>freeza45: nvidia/amd/intel?
10:54<awal1>,v xfce4
10:54<judd>Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.8.0.3; jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; sid: 4.12.3
10:54<duclicsic>with nvidia cards their settings tool makes multi-monitor setups dead easy
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10:54<freeza45>no i think its all intel
10:54<freeza45>yes it is
10:54<freeza45>intel graphics
10:55<duclicsic>ah, was worth checking i guess
10:55<freeza45>my package is jessie
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10:55<freeza45>well is anyone more familiar with xrandr?
10:56<freeza45>like i said the gui is missing the option i need
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10:56<awal1>freeza45, you only have to chose to put your second monitor at right, also configure the panel for that, in xfce system settings
10:56<awal1>also check desktop settings, for icons and so
10:56<alkisg>freeza45: what's the output of xrandr?
10:56<freeza45>yeah under setting/display, right?
10:56<awal1>yeah
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10:57<awal1>xrandr will configure your monitors but not icons and such stuff
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10:57<awal1>that's your WM/DE job
10:57<freeza45>it only has "use this output" checkbox, resolution, refresh rate, rotation and reflection...
10:58<freeza45>it wasn't working through gui
10:58<freeza45>my xrandr output? can i copy/paste it
10:58<awal1>check lxrandr
10:58<awal1>lxde tool
10:59<freeza45>i tried arandr too
10:59<awal1>lightweight and only need 1 or 2 lxde stuff
10:59<freeza45>well i had to use xrandr anyway on my main display because it didnt even have the 1080p resoultion for my main monitor
10:59<freeza45>im wary of using anymore tools like that
10:59<alkisg>The best thing is to configure that in xorg.conf, with preferredmode etc
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11:00<alkisg>If that fails, the second best is to use the DE tools,
11:00<freeza45>i think i tried the xorg.cong thing but it wasnt even there
11:00<alkisg>If that fails too, you can run xrandr at DM init, so that it takes effect before you login, so that icons etc get the proper metrics
11:00<alkisg>Yes no default xorg.conf exists, you need to create one
11:01<freeza45>well i have a screenresolution.sh file that runs at startup but like i said still having minor problems
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11:01<awal1>I also use conky, no issues
11:01<freeza45>man
11:02<awal1>which exact command you use )xrandr)?
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11:03<freeza45>i have to make the new 1080p resolution mode every boot up with xrandr.. its strange because it had the 1920x1080 resoultion and then i chanegd my cable and it disapeared
11:03<freeza45>can i paste my xrandr resolution.sh content here? or would it be flooding?
11:03<awal1>something like this is all what you need
11:03<awal1>xrandr --output VGA-1 --mode 1280x1024 --rate 60.02 --right-of LVDS-1 --output LVDS-1 --mode 1366x768 --rate 60.00
11:03<awal1>that's what I use and all fine
11:03<freeza45>yeah mine is like that
11:03<freeza45>ok hold on...
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11:04<freeza45>xrandr --newmode "1920x1080" 173.00 1920 2048 2248 2576 1080 1083 1088 1120 -hsync +vsync
11:04<freeza45>xrandr --addmode VGA1 1920x1080
11:04<freeza45>xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1920x1080 --primary
11:04<freeza45>xrandr --output HDMI1 --mode 1600x1200 --pos 0x0 --rotate left --output DP1 --off --output VGA1 --mode 1920x1080 --pos 1600x0 --rotate normal
11:04<freeza45>xrandr --output HDMI1 --left-of VGA1
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11:04<awal1>:D
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11:05<freeza45>ugh
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11:05<freeza45>wont do that again
11:05<zathras>freeza45, use a pastebin please
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11:06<freeza45>oh i msg dpkg?
11:06<alkisg>!paste
11:06<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
11:07<freeza45>ok, sorry
11:08<freeza45>http://paste.debian.net/916429/
11:09<awal1>freeza45, what is the output of xrandr having your 2d display connected? without options/arguments
11:09<freeza45>i would have loved to use the GUI
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11:09<freeza45>i just use xrandr command to fidn that out right?
11:10<awal1>yes
11:10<freeza45>no, how do i fidn out 2d display?
11:11<freeza45>it doesnt have that 2d display in there
11:11<awal1>if it doesn't detect it, so it's another story
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11:13<freeza45>http://paste.debian.net/916430/ - theres my output of xrandr
11:14<freeza45>modifying my xrandr is the only way ive been able to change anything, like i said just using a different VGA cable messed up my display
11:15<freeza45>its just strange
11:15<freeza45>kind of scared to try anything else because i am afraid of messing up my install
11:15<freeza45>i have arandr and that didnt help
11:16<freeza45>i think my code in that paste of my .sh file is bloated a bit too
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11:19<awal1>your both monitors are detected
11:19<awal1>why you said no
11:20<freeza45>no i didnt mean to say no
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11:20<awal1>VGA1 connected primary HDMI1 connected
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11:21<freeza45>yeah they're working, i was saying they are just not working how i want them to yet - its extending them but on windows when you extend them they are separate entities, like my conky should be bottom left but its bottom left of second monitor (to left of my main)
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11:22<freeza45>adn my icons reset to second every boot too
11:23<freeza45>i feel like im confusing you, sorry
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11:24<awal1>try adapting my standard command to your monitors and add the command to xfce startup apps
11:25<awal1>and what you use for conky alignement?
11:26<freeza45>well my current code almost works - its like its just not assigning it to be proper primary display
11:26<freeza45>well i just edited conky config file with conky-manager - its in bottom_left
11:26<awal1>for conky, new syntax should be alignment = 'bottom_left',
11:26<freeza45>thats what i have
11:27<awal1>remove , at the end if it is the last line in conky config
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11:27<freeza45>no its not the last line
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11:28<freeza45>i think my real problem is the syntax of my xrandr, i might have messed that up
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11:28<freeza45>also i need to see your default xrandr code again
11:29<freeza45>maybe my --primary isnt in the right spot or ly --left-of
11:29<awal1>xrandr --output VGA-1 --mode 1280x1024 --rate 60.02 --right-of LVDS-1 --output LVDS-1 --mode 1366x768 --rate 60.00
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11:33<freeza45>do you know any other options other than extended desktop and mirrored?
11:33<freeza45>that might be it
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11:35<awal1>check if this basic command works: xrandr --output HDMI1 --mode 1600x1200 --rate 60.02 --right-of VGA1 --output VGA1 --mode 1024x768 --rate 60.00
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11:37<freeza45>even though those arent the resolutions i want or positioning?
11:37<freeza45>just to check?
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11:39<awal1>well, I'm not too familiar with new modes
11:40<hiq[m]>How can I know whether I have to reboot for security patches to be applied to my system? I have the last linux vulnerabilities in mind, but that could apply to running daemons as well.
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11:42<freeza45>well having it on the right did make the icons go in the right place but i need it on the left
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11:43<mtn>hiq[m], I think deamons are restarted when they are upgraded. so, usually only kernels require a reboot
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11:43<hiq[m]>mtn: and for kernel upgrades, I should assume that all of them require a reboot?
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11:44<mtn>hiq[m], yes
11:44<nkuttler>well, technically... but yes
11:44<hiq[m]>ok thanks
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11:48<petn-randall>mtn: Only if the daemon itself gets updated. Doesn't happen with library fixes.
11:48<mtn>petn-randall, ok, ty.
11:48<petn-randall>hiq[m]: Install 'needrestart', then it'll tell you which daemons need restarting, or if you need to reboot into a newer kernel.
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11:49<petn-randall>mtn: Note that this tool can't detect if you're using an affected kernel module or not, so it'll give you some amount of false positives.
11:50<awal1>hiq[m], look at 'needrestart' utility
11:50<petn-randall>awal1: You're lagging :)
11:50<hiq[m]>thanks both of you!
11:50<hiq[m]>I'll look into it
11:51<awal1>petn-randall, I haven't took my coffe yet :P
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11:57<awal1>freeza45, you .sh file for xrandr doesn't look fine, but as I said I'm not an expert on multi monitoring anyways, so I won't suggest incorrect stuff
11:57<freeza45>ok
11:57<awal1>icons and so I don't know, I don't use xfce right now
11:57<freeza45>liek i said i have been researchign this for 2 days, so its a frankenstein xrandr file
11:57<awal1>you may get more help about xfce vs multi monitors asking in #debian-xfce
11:58<freeza45>i checked the xrandr official page for where to put the arguements but it didnt include all options.. hold on lemme try xrandr man real quick
11:58<awal1>xfce in stertch/sid works perfectly for multimonitor
11:58<awal1>jessie version I don't know
11:59<freeza45>ok well thanks anyway, im looking for diffferent modes other than extended and mirrored right now
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11:59<freeza45>that might be my problem
12:00<freeza45>i want extended but also 2 separate entities
12:00<awal1>an old WM like fvwm works perfectly for dual monitor, why not a modern one like xfwm :P
12:00<freeza45>yeah i know - it worked ok til i got a new VGA cable
12:00<awal1>check lxrandr
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12:09<lostsoul>hello. i need help upgrading from wheezy to jessie. during upgrade, i encountered that photomagick was out of date or some such error and the installation just stuck there.
12:09<brennino>hi, I set custom max-file-size and max-request-size on /usr/share/tomcat7-admin/manager/WEB-INF/web.xml but everytime tomcat is updated I have to edit the file again
12:09<brennino>is there a way to make the change update safe?
12:09<petn-randall>lostsoul: Can you post the errors you got?
12:09<petn-randall>!bat
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12:09<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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12:09<petn-randall>lostsoul: Ideally all of the above. ^^^
12:10<lostsoul>petn, i need to reinstall to get that screen again. hold on.
12:11<lostsoul>well, it said something to the nature after installation, the application will be removed.
12:12<lostsoul>then it just stops there. i don't know if i should just keep waiting or what
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12:14<petn-randall>lostsoul: Not much I can help without seeing the error message you got.
12:14<lostsoul>petn, probably better to just do a fresh install?
12:14<petn-randall>lostsoul: petn<tab>
12:14<lostsoul>petn-randall, sorry, not very good using irc.
12:16<lostsoul>reason for upgrade: so that i can use newer version of chrome.
12:16<petn-randall>lostsoul: I can't really give you any suggestion unless you provide the error you got. The message you recall is very generic and is something you even get on successful upgrades.
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12:20<lostsoul>petn-randall, are you running the latest version? if so, what are some of the enhancements that you can tell?
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12:21<petn-randall>lostsoul: How would that help with your problem?
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12:22<lostsoul>none, i guess. i think i'll just do a clean install.
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13:15<rsmith>On one of my virtual machine the name of the root user is rOot (with one capital O). Have I been hacked?
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13:18<brennino>rsmith, you are the only one with root access on that machine?
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13:20<rsmith>yes
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13:23<rsmith>When I use su, it logs on as rOot, and apparently works exactly like root
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13:24<rsmith>the /etc/password entry says "ROot:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash"
13:24<tomg>has your computer been broken into? yeah it looks like it
13:24<tomg>did you leave ssh on with a null password or password of "password"?
13:24<brennino>check your /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow... maybe you can see some tracks or clues...
13:25<rsmith>no, but I have students as regular users
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13:25<tomg>there's a root checking package that works pretty well, you can try unhide.rb
13:25<rsmith>passwords are randomly generated with 14+ characters
13:26<rsmith>thanks!
13:26<brennino>:P students :PPP
13:26<tomg>it could because of the recent double free hole... the Linux kernel isn't always secure if someone already has a regular user account
13:27<tomg>how do you manage to log in if the root username is capitalised? isn't that case sensitive?
13:27<rsmith>ssh to a regular user, then used su
13:27<rsmith>at first I was curious why it didn't work logging in as root
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13:27<brennino>if they have phisical access to machines, remember to set a grub password or something similar because they can boot from grub into a rescue runlevel and do whatever they want... :PP
13:29<rsmith>can't apt install because of "unknown user root". Ha! Will update /etc/passwd
13:30<rsmith>Actually, it may not be a hack
13:30<nullsign>no root user? ... server has gone full-retard
13:30<rsmith>I may have opened /etc/passwd in vim by mistake and hit the u key for uppercase
13:30<rsmith>The root entry is the first line in the file
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13:31<rsmith>and I uppercased the first two characters
13:31<brennino>yes, but students can install backdoors, they are like plague... if they are machines just for student fun I bother but if they have access to net or some sort of data or privileges I will treat them as compromised and rescue from backup or fresh install
13:31<tomg>rsmith, that actually makes perfect sense
13:31<tomg>the part about editing with vi. did you know you're supposed to use vipw and vigr for editing the password and group files?
13:31<rsmith>Yeah, I'm going to migrate student data to a new machine
13:31<brennino>mmmmm
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13:32<rsmith>tomg: didn't know about vipw
13:32<rsmith>I didn't edit the file on purpose, though
13:32<tomg>it can use any editor, not just vi. set EDITOR or VISUAL appropriately
13:33<brennino>I have to leave, have a nice day, bye
13:33<rsmith>thanks all!
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13:37<tomg>and thank you, rsmith, I learned a few things too
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14:09<detrout>I'd like to update python-rope to the latest upstream version and to switch to pybuild to ship a python3 version. (the packaging is currently using cdbs)
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14:10<detrout>Should anyone review my changes before I try pushing to git or releasing a package?
14:10<detrout>(I haven't touched it before, but it seems out of date... being at standards version 0.3.9.5
14:10<detrout>And I want rope for elpy
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14:22<real007>hello all people, i am catalonian man 41 years, least pretend at least 6 or 7 years less
14:22<real007>someone people speak spanish and use freeBSD 11.0?, i use both
14:22<real007>someone people talk
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14:22<real007>hello all
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14:23<annadane>!ask
14:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
14:23<real007>please reply
14:23<somiaj>real007: this is a debian support channel, do you have a question about debian?
14:23<real007>umm
14:23<annadane>!es
14:23<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
14:23<real007>i make apt-get upgrade
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14:23<annadane>also this is for debian, not freebsd
14:23<real007>and not run, say me in console error with amavis
14:23<real007>i use debian jessei 7.1
14:24<real007>in this moment, also use freeBSD is good Unix, better debian
14:24<annadane>okay
14:24<real007>both
14:24<real007>talk of mate and xchat with debian jessie 7.1
14:24<annadane>jessie isn't 7, though
14:24<real007>was use Unix of 20 years ago
14:24<annadane>(7 is wheezy)
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14:25<annadane>but anyway, go ahead and ask any questions you have
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14:25<real007>have problems to upgrade jessie
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14:26<real007>say me in console "error with amavis-daemon"
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14:26<real007>and not upgrade with apt-get dist-upgrade
14:26<lindi->real007: can you paste the full console output to http://paste.debian.net/ ?
14:26<real007>umm
14:26<real007>okey go smoke cigarrete, i'm away
14:26<real007>ok
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14:28<real007>dpkg you are boot i speak 5 languages, english, latin, spanish, catalonian language, portugese
14:28<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
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14:29<annadane>dpkg is a bot, real007
14:29<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, annadane
14:29<real007>i have webcam
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14:29<real007>not are bot
14:29<somiaj>real007: please stay on topic, which is debian support. Debian jessie is also not 7.1. If you are having an issue upgrading please provide the full output
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14:29<somiaj>use paste.debian.net
14:29<real007>ok
14:29<real007>go smoke, i'm away, are in yotube hear music of kylie minogue, my princes
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15:16<arlecchino>terminal comand to install a new browser please ?
15:16<annadane>apt install <browser>
15:17<arlecchino>thx
15:17<annadane>where <browser> is what you want to install
15:17<annadane>ie for firefox, apt install firefox
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15:18<arlecchino>not work
15:18<arlecchino>error
15:18<arlecchino>Reading package lists... Done
15:18<arlecchino>Building dependency tree
15:18<arlecchino>Reading state information... Done
15:18<arlecchino>The following additional packages will be installed:
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15:18<[6667]ShapeShifter>[]Country: Dominica
15:18<[6667]ShapeShifter>[]Address:800 Second Avenue, Suite 400H, New York, NY 10017
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15:19<[6667]ShapeShifter>[]Phone Contact: (212) 949-0853
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15:20<annadane>this... is not the right channel for that
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15:23<arlecchino>apt get install browser
15:23<arlecchino>not work
15:24<arlecchino>another terminal comand to install a beowser ?
15:24<arlecchino>in terminal ?
15:24<annadane>what browser do you want to install?
15:26<arlecchino>chromium
15:26<annadane>so type: apt install chromium
15:26<arlecchino>hmm
15:26<arlecchino>now work
15:26<arlecchino>i try apt-get update first and new work meh thx
15:26<michael_>apt-get install chromium?
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15:35<Diogenes>Good evening. Open GL is not functioning in my computer, I believe, because my Radeon Graphics Card isn't being used.
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15:35<Diogenes>This is the result of the "lspci -v" command: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/18f7b232/
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15:36<Diogenes>As it can be seen, there is no "Kernel driver in use" for the Radeon R7
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15:38<Diogenes>I used to have the testing version of xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:7.8.0-1 and xserver-xorg-video-ati 1:7.8.0-1 installed, and it would work.
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15:39<Diogenes>But this is a new install, literally one of the first things I'm doing with this new system, I picked up the version available in backports, and dowloaded the firmware-amd-graphics as well as suggested by the package.
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16:21<annadane>i'm trying to eject my external hard drive but it gives me "operation already pending", and it's apparently already unmounted because next to eject i get the mount option
16:22<annadane>device or resource already busy, more specifically
16:23<annadane>when i try to click on it is also fails to mount, citing operation already pending
16:23<annadane>it*
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16:26<newDeby>i installed the latest Debian 8 stable with LXDE. it comes with openjdk 7. how can I force an upgrate to openjdk8?
16:26<newDeby>*upgrade
16:26<jrtc27>enable jessie-backports and install openjdk-8-jre
16:27<jrtc27>,v openjdk-8-jre
16:27<judd>Package: openjdk-8-jre on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 8u111-b14-2~bpo8+1; sid: 8u121-b13-3; stretch: 8u121-b13-3
16:28<annadane>i'm tempted to just restart the computer because it would just force an end to whatever process is running - i'm not burning anything, it shouldn't matter - but it seems rash
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16:31<newDeby>ok. thank you, jrtc27, I'll try that
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16:32<annadane>oh hey, it sorted itself out
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16:33<newDeby>another stange thing is when I run the "free -m" command http://pastebin.com/raw/B5Y60Mfz
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16:34<newDeby>before switching to Debian, I used Lubuntu. the line "-/+ buffers/cache:" looks new to mee. and the first used value seem too big
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16:35<newDeby>is because I did not setup a swap partition?
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16:47<jrtc27>newDeby: the 2597 is what is currently in use; the 389 is what is currently in use when you ignore caches. similarly 1250 is what is in use, but 3458 is what you could have if you just discarded all caches.
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16:48<gianlu_ka>hello i have a question
16:49<gianlu_ka>who can answer me?
16:49<jrtc27>!ask
16:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:49<gianlu_ka>I have a problem with gnome sound recorder
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16:51<gianlu_ka>i can't install it
16:51<gianlu_ka>what's the command line to do?
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16:52<lshemesh_>hey guys i've been banging my head all day trying to get a netboot debian installation to load a preseed file and no matter what i do it doesn't seem to want to read the file and auto install. I've read tons of online docs and am not sure where the issue lies. Anyone know what types of things I should be looking out for?
16:56<newDeby>gianlu_ka: sudo apt install gnome-sound-recorder
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17:04<Payl>Hi guys, I'd like to update libvirt-bin to 1.3.3 or newer, however I can't find newer version of stretch/sid, how should I proceed? I was able to update qemu-kvm to 2.5+ from stretch (I do all this to do pci-e passtrough on nvidia gpu - i need to fake not being hypervised to it, hence version)
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17:06<lindi->Payl: mixing packages between distros is not a good idea in general
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17:07<lindi->Payl: 1.3.3 has not been packaged for debian at all yet so I'm afraid there are no easy solutions
17:07<Payl>lindi-: 'just' qemu-kvm and libvirt-bin ;). I know this is not good idea, especially if aren't too good in this stuff, however my whole debian setup is "experimental" in nature to test pci-e pass...
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17:09<Payl>lindi-: ah, too bad, well i guess i'll need to use older workaround that decreases performance for now. Where can i check if 1.3.3+ is packaged yet?
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17:09<lindi->Payl: packages.debian.org
17:11<Payl>lindi-: those are official repos, maybe there is unofficial repo where i can find it? :P
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19:07<Diogenes>Nope.
19:08<Diogenes>The settings where erased, but the menu stays the same.
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19:09<Diogenes>Hm...
19:09<Diogenes>Nut maybe I should`ve run that command from the terminal
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19:11<Diogenes>I ment like in AltF2
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19:11<Diogenes>But that doesnt make much sense...
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19:47<Diogenes>Hello
19:48<Diogenes>My wifi internet connection is sort of weak, and the dmesg seem to suggest missing firmware for iwlwifi.
19:48<Diogenes>Here:https://paste.debian.net/hidden/7a8743d3/
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19:49<Diogenes>"Direct firmware load for iwlwifi-7265D-23( and 24,25,26).ucode failed"
19:51<Diogenes>I was looking over here - https://github.com/OpenELEC/iwlwifi-firmware/tree/firmware - to recover these parts,
19:51<Diogenes>but the stop shy of 22.upart
19:51<doubledutch>The signal is weak?
19:51<doubledutch>Your internet is slow, Diogenes? Do you have a cellphone on you that can see the Wi-Fi?
19:52<Diogenes>I have a tablet nest to me.
19:52<Diogenes>next*
19:52<doubledutch>Do you see full Wi-Fi signal there?
19:53<Diogenes>I do. Three bars.
19:53<doubledutch>I believe the "missing firmware" would be more of a functional thing then a speed optimization thing.
19:53<doubledutch>Like if it was broken, it wouldn't work, but it is working, right?
19:53<Diogenes>It is, it is.
19:53<doubledutch>There's a website I like called http://speedof.me that's like speedtest.net without all the overhead/bloat
19:54<doubledutch>That can benchmark your internet speeds and thus could point out a wi-fi bottleneck if there is one.
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19:56<dvs>!iwlwifi
19:56<dpkg>The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N) and 802.11ac adapters. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>, <iwl7000>.
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20:20<freeza45>...so im back
20:20<freeza45>can anyone help with an xrandr problem?
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23:33<Diogenes>Good night.
23:34<Diogenes>Are there any Australian or Chinese users on?
23:34<Diogenes>It's still day for you guys, right?
23:35<Diogenes>... hello darkness my old friend...
23:35<Diogenes>Anyway!
23:35<Diogenes>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/10fb30a1/
23:36<Diogenes>Gnome is not recognizing my Cintiq at its setting windows, though you can see that my machine recognizes there's a Wacom plugged in... And a Wacom drive running over there...
23:37<Diogenes>What's holding it from doing 1+1=2?
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