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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-02-24

---Logopened Fri Feb 24 00:00:58 2017
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00:46<tepas>hola
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00:53<scootergrisen>How can i use my network DNS settings system wide instead of just in GNOME?
00:53<scootergrisen>If i use Xfce then its not using the same network settings.
00:54<scootergrisen>I want to specific a DNS server manually
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01:08<somiaj>scootergrisen: is it gnome is using network-manager and xfce is using wicd?
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01:08<scootergrisen>I dont know
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01:08<scootergrisen>Can't they just use the same setting some how?
01:08<somiaj>I am trying to see why the desktop would affect network settings.
01:08<somiaj>well you should probabaly use a single method to configure your network, there are multiple tools for this.
01:09<scootergrisen>What can i use so that it will use same network setting on everything i run?
01:10<scootergrisen>Also in gnome-boxes/virtual box i would like to use the same network setting if possible
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01:10<somiaj>scootergrisen: the only thing I can think of is one is using network-manager and one is wicd, but you would have to double check that is the case. If that is the case disable one of them.
01:11<somiaj>you could also just configure your network with the /etc/network/interfaces file and not use a gui tool.
01:11<somiaj>as for the guests, you'll have to copy/configure each guests network if you want to change the default dns settings. Also if it is only dns settings you are worried about, there is resolvconf or openresolv that can take control of your /etc/resolv.conf file
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01:14<scootergrisen>Ok i try it out. Thank you.
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02:39<tpe_>Hi guys. I am observing strange issues since a few weeks. We have 8 nodes á 10 OSD's. If one node goes down for planned maintenance tasks (with noout) everythings stucks with massive impact. Blocked io requests, etc. What could potentially be wrong here?
02:39<tpe_>Sorry, wrong channel :)
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04:39<ptman[m]>help? I'm getting E: Release signed by unknown key (key id 7638D0442B90D010) from debootstrap
04:39<ptman[m]>I did fetch debian-archive-keyring.gpg from a jessie installation and fed it to debootstrap using --keyring=
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04:39<ptman[m]>trying to debootstrap stretch
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04:41<itd>ptman[m]: for stretch please ask in #debian-next :)
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04:46<jm_>does apt-key list it?
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04:54<ptman[m]>itd: thanks
04:57<ptman[m]>jm_: I'm not running debootstrap on a debian system, but systemrescuecd
04:57<ptman[m]>jm_: but I gave --keyring=debian-archive-keyring.gpg-from-jessie to debootstrap
04:59<jm_>ahh so during installation
04:59<ptman[m]>yes
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05:07<ptman[m]>ok, found it digging on another debian system
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05:10<ptman[m]>can't just give debootstrap --keyring=debian-archive-keyring.gpg
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05:11<ptman[m]>need to gpg --import debian-archive-keyring.gpg and then debootstrap --keyring=/root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg
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05:56<hiq[m]>I would like to upgrade from Jessie to Stretch. I have reviewed the RC- bugs in BTS affecting Stretch, and none of them seem to be a deal-breaker for me. Apart from these, are there other caveats I should be aware of, and that would not be listed in the BTS? For instance during the upgrade, like some dependency problems and so on. In short, is the BTS exhaustive w.r.t. to upgrade from stable to (frozen) testing?
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06:00<petn-randall>hiq[m]: There are probably a few bugs that might have not been found, but upgrading at this point should be fairly straight-forward.
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06:03<hiq[m]>petn-randall: yeah with the freeze I was counting on that. Thanks!
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06:15<Flandre>I'm a newbie using Jessie with a hardly working wifi adapter, looking to use a new module to see if it has any effect. Could I get some help understanding what I need to do to make this compile? https://github.com/chunkeey/rtl8192su
06:18<jm_>why do you want to use that instead of the one debian provides?
06:19<Flandre>I'm using a DWA-131 rev.A which seems to be known to have issues holding a connection. It drops to ~30kb/s over LAN soon after initally connecting. Would the new module have any chance of fixing that?
06:20<Flandre>The hardware works, at least in Windows, but it has trouble in linux.
06:20<jm_>well you'll need to ask the author(s) -- what it needs looks to be linux-headers for your kernel etc.
06:22<itd>Flandre: Did you install any firmware for that device?
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06:24<Flandre>jm_, I was hoping to try this in a VM before asking, the part about kernels built from wireless-testing.git is what's over my head. I'm not sure what that means.
06:26<jm_>Flandre: it means building a kernel from this tree http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/linville/wireless-testing.git
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06:26<jm_>Flandre: try newer kernel first
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06:37<Flandre>itd, Looking in my firmware, I already have some relevant firmware, which I think was installed initially.
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06:42<itd>Flandre: Looking at https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x I guess you need firmware-realtek (which is backported so you get something fairly new, if required).
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06:44<Flandre>That's what I have actually, the Debian installer prompted for it to be loaded on removable media.
06:46<itd>Flandre: Then I'd suggest that you first try the backported firmware version. :)
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06:47<Flandre>Ah, I see there's a seperate backport for that, sorry I'm 48 hours fresh to this.
06:47<Flandre>I'll give that a go.
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06:48<Flandre>Will also attempt to update kernel to a backport and compile from that.
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06:48<itd>Flandre: No worries. "/msg dpkg bpo" if you want.
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06:51<sobczyk>hi, why boost-python1.63-dev (or older ones) do not contain postinst script or the rtupdate for python, when debian/rules state it should be installed?
06:53<jm_>libboost-python1.63-dev is only in sid, at least ask in #debian-next if you think you should use sid
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06:58<pakos>hello :)
06:59<itd>pakos: Hello.
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07:03<sobczyk>jm_: I mentioned earlier versions to because 1.61 and 1.62 have the same problem
07:03<sobczyk>do debian-next is not the issue here, but the build process
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07:05<jm_>sobczyk: none of that is in jessie, please continue in #debian-next
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07:07<sobczyk>...
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07:08<sobczyk>boost 1.55 is, and has the same problem
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07:50<Phryq>hi, can someone tell me how to install VeraCrypt?
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07:53<hiq[m]>Phryq: did you take a look at VeraCrypt's website?
07:53<Phryq>I just tried sudo apt-get install vera, that seemed to work, but I don't see it anywhere
07:53<Phryq>ya, their site has a download, a .tar.bz2 file
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07:54<Phryq>I've downloaded it an don't know what to do with it, but thought it would be in the Debian repo, no?
07:54<Phryq>Isn't it safer getting from the repo?
07:54<Phryq>https://veracrypt.codeplex.com/releases/view/629329
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07:55<itd>Phryq: AFAIK veracrypt is not in a debian repo.
07:55<hiq[m]>yes it would be, if it were packaged, but I don't think it is the case. If you do apt search veracrypt, you will see a list of related packages though
07:55<Phryq>So am I better off using LUKs?
07:55<hiq[m]>one of them, zulucrypt-gui, may provide what you need
07:55<hiq[m]>depends on your needs
07:55<Phryq>oh, so I can apt-get that?
07:56<hiq[m]>oh sorry it's in testing/unstable
07:56<Phryq>so not secure
07:57<hiq[m]>testing/unstable has little to do with secure/unsecure
07:57<Phryq>so using unstable software is safe as far as being spied on?
07:57<Phryq>e.g. if I use TorBrowser beta?
07:58<itd>dpkg: testing
07:58<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical!
07:59<Phryq>so how can I get LUKs then? I'm trying sudo apt-get LUKS
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07:59<Phryq>please, I am a lowly noob
08:00<doubledutch>zulucrypt has terminal interface iirc
08:00<Phryq>oh, I can't handle that
08:00<Phryq>I need GUI
08:00<doubledutch>I guess zulucrypt-gui is a frontend
08:00<jm_>installer can create encrypted fs for you
08:01<Phryq>So I guess Debian's repo is a bit over-rated, eh?
08:01<Phryq>I just want to open an encrypted container
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08:02<doubledutch>Phryq, Debian's repos are solidly rated.
08:03<Phryq>but have no GUI encrypted containers
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08:05<Phryq>so to install a binary I use sudo tar --directory=/opt -xv f <file>.tar.[bz2|gz]
08:05<Phryq>I just replace the word directory with the file's directory?
08:06<Phryq>but I keep the -- and = ?
08:06<jm_>you'll need to follow their instructions, here we don't support stuff that's not in debian
08:07<Phryq>shoot. I'm dead then.
08:07<Phryq>I'm too dumb for this, haha
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08:09<jm_>then find online resources that can help you, i.e. http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/encrypt-data-in-linux-with-veracrypt-an-alternative-to-truecrypt
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08:14<Phryq>so what *is* in the Debian repo?
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08:21<hiq[m]>you can use "apt search" to figure out, or browse the debian packages on the web: https://packages.debian.org/stable/
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09:46<Flandre>Now that I've updated my kernel, I'm having some difficulty figuring out how to install https://github.com/chunkeey/rtl8192su. I'm not sure if "make load" is supposed to do anything more than just move some files around in its own folder, and "make install" gives "No rule to make target 'install'. Stop."
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09:57<itd>Flandre: Did you try to use the firmware from backports?
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10:00<Flandre>I did, although that was actually the same firmware as the standard.
10:02<Flandre>Although the standard does include a folder in /lib/firmware titled RTL8192SU which is my chipset, while the backport doesn't.
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10:45<annadane>what would be the proper way to replace thunar with dolphin? apt install dolphin and then apt remove thunar?
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12:41<LoZioNe>salve a tutti
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12:44<LoZioNe>ho bisogno di una delucidazione sull'installazione del driver Nvidia su Debian9.Ho aggiunto i sordenti contrib non-free e ho dato l'update,la cosa strana è che anche avendo 8MB di rete che girano per casa non scarica rapidamente dal server,vado ad una media di 1,7 kB/s è normale?
12:45<LoZioNe>scusate,mi sono dimenticato di salutare entrando nel canale ^^
12:45<mtn>!it
12:45<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
12:46<LoZioNe>tnk's
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13:51<X-dX>Hi, I want to start using Debian. I used Rufus to make a bootable USB, but I get an error saying it does not support 6.2.9200.sp0 - What could I do to fix this?
13:51<mtn>!rufus
13:51<dpkg>rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
13:52<mtn>X-dX, use win32diskimager to make the usb
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13:53<X-dX>Got it, I'll try that. Thank you!
13:53<annadane>!next
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14:15<gordon24>How come I connect an external display (via HDMI) my screen on my laptop blacks out. I don't know how to get the display to come back up.
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14:17<dboles>what kind of laptop is it? I know some machines with 2 external ports will disabled the internal screen if both are used, though i haven't heard of any doing that if only 1 port is used
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14:19<gordon24>I have a Dell Inspiron 5720
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14:21<gordon24>Debian detects both my built in display and the HDMI ports.
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14:22<gordon24>I don't know if the fact that my laptop has Intel graphics for low end stuff and NVIDIA for more high end graphics.
14:23<przemoc>hi! why https://packages.qa.debian.org/s/shadow.html doesn't show anything about 4.2-3+deb8u3 release?
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14:26<przemoc>and https://sources.debian.net/patches/shadow/1:4.2-3+deb8u3/ gives 404
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15:48<MXD>So, whatever I did, I did badly. I have a command line. Not sure what to do with it, and I don't see a way to get boot up windows instead. Help?
15:48<somiaj>are you botted into debian right now as a dual boot and have windows installed on that machine?
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15:49<scootergrisen>Do anyone know of a program like QuietHDD for Windows, but for Linux instead? That can stop the harddrive from parking the read/write heads way to often?
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15:50<MXD>Windows was installed from the start. Right now I'm in the command line. I can login with the user I made, but I'm not sure how to proceed.
15:50<somiaj>scootergrisen: I think hdparm can modify that
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15:50<somiaj>MXD: install the os-propber package, apt-get install os-probper, then it should detect your windows install and allow you to select it from the grub boot menu
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15:52<MXD>Permission denied and asks if I'm root.
15:52<somiaj>you have to run that command as root
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15:53<somiaj>do you know the root password you setup for the debian system you installed?
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15:53<MXD>Yes. But it never asked me for a special user during install that I recall.
15:53<MXD>How do I logout of the user I'm using now to try for root?
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15:55<MXD>Ah, just type logout. Should have figured. Ok let's see...
15:55<dboles>scootergrisen: hdparm
15:55<dboles>scootergrisen: flags -B and -S are probably what you want
15:56<dboles>scootergrisen: my netbook has one of those awful wd blue or green (idk) drives, which by default would turn itself off after a minute or something ridiculous, and it was constantly spinning up and down
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15:57<MXD>Somiaj - how do I find out my root login name?
15:57<dboles>scootergrisen: iirc you have to do a bit of trial and error to find the right combination of -B and -S that reliably fix the problem
15:57<scootergrisen>If i use "sudo hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda" and then go look in GNOME disc GUI the GUI show the old setting. Not the 254 i just set it to
15:58<scootergrisen>In gnome-disks program
15:58<dboles>maybe some daemon or other rubbish is interfering
15:58<dboles>what i said worked for me on jessie with lxde
15:58<dboles>let me dig out the specifics
15:58<somiaj>MXD: it is 'root', or just run 'su' and enter in your roots password.
15:59<scootergrisen>I just wonder if something is wrong with gnome-disks since it does not seem to use the setting i just set with hdparm.
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16:00<MXD>Somiaj - unable to locate package
16:00<scootergrisen>The problem is not spinddown its that the head it being parked just for no reason. So it makes a little swiping sound
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16:01<dboles>scootergrisen: apm encompasses that too afaik
16:01<scootergrisen>Yeah i think its APM to
16:01<somiaj>MXD: do you have interet on that machine? It seems your sources aren't setup
16:02<MXD>I do have wi-fi. I can also get a direct cable from the router if needed.
16:02<przemoc>follow-up to my earlier messages about passwd upgrade: https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2017/msg00046.html (in short: CVE-2016-6252 CVE-2017-2616), but I think it should be visible somewhere on https://packages.qa.debian.org/s/shadow.html or https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/shadow
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16:05<dboles>scootergrisen: so this is what i came up with for my situation, and it worked there, but i do not know how it will interact with a different DE as you are using
16:06<parazyd>YOUR KERNEL IS A PIECE OF SHIT
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16:06<somiaj>MXD: if the system is on the network already (trying ping 8.8.8.8 then hit ctrl-C after you see you get pings) then you just need to set up your sources.list
16:07<somiaj>!jessie sources.list
16:07<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
16:07<dboles>scootergrisen: https://paste.gnome.org/pltdgegcy
16:07<somiaj>MXD: once your sources.list are setup you can apt-get install os-prober which shoudl detect your windows install and let you boot it again
16:07<dboles>scootergrisen: ofc, the unit file lives in /etc/systemd/system
16:08<somiaj>woudln't it be in /lib/systemd/system unless it has been copied over for user modifications?
16:08<MXD>Somiaj - network unreachable
16:08<ilya>docker.io package on debian sid has broken dependencies, how do i find the maintainer of the package? is the right place to ask?
16:08<somiaj>MXD: okay you need to configure your network. I don't have time to walk you through this, but a cable network will be far easier than wifi as you are most lilkey missing non-free firwmare.
16:09<somiaj>ilya: packages in sid may not be installable, usually broken depends is not considered a bug in sid.
16:09<MXD>Got it. I'll try.
16:09<dboles>ilya: => #debian-next
16:09<somiaj>ilya: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#FAQ -- scroll down to 'if package foo is uninstallable, isn't that a bug?'
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16:10<scootergrisen>Ok thanks i will see if it comes again on reboot.
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16:10<ilya>thx i will check #debian-next
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16:10<scootergrisen>I dont know where it add it in /etc/systemd/system
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16:11<dboles>scootergrisen: standard process for adding a unit file then registering it as a service
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16:11<dboles>but borschty in #gnome may have a nicer way to do this
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16:12<dboles>(though it will probably involve installing a unit/service in either case)
16:16<Speed2u>Hmm i got alot of spam in pm from this server, can i block private messages with a mode or something?
16:17<somiaj>Speed2u: Unwanted private messages? /umode +R
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16:20<Speed2u>somiaj: yes exactly, spamming me about other servers etc.. Tried your command but it doesn't work eighter [22:17:37] UMODE Unknown command
16:21<somiaj>Speed2u: yea that was from freenode, guess oftc doesn't have that flag.
16:21<somiaj>Speed2u: mayb ask #oftc or ask in a channel about your irc client, see if there is a way to disable messages for it
16:23<Speed2u>oh ok, yes i had the same problem at freenode too but there i use the /mode (nickname) +R but it doesn't seem to work here. Thank you anyways, i'll ask in #oftc if it countinues
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16:25<somiaj>Speed2u: yea seems ofct does'nt have the same user modes for that as freenode, maybe #oftc will have more details on the modes availble
16:27<scootergrisen>How do i get the APM value with hdparm?
16:27<scootergrisen>I can set it with -B but how do i get it?
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16:31<rno>hi! a few weeks ago, someone here was searching a simple sound recording gui. I can't remember the nick though. finding there are really few options, I made a simple sound recording app with ogl/oal/glut, running without gnome or kde.
16:32<rno> I made a debian jessie binary package: https://itryhttps.dynv6.net/?page=glo_rec/00cover.en.htm It's extra simplistic. I made and tested it with a 32bit debian. I don't know if it works with a 64bits system...
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16:40<dboles>scootergrisen: i just use sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep Advanced
16:40<dboles>(there may be a less rubbish way, but i don't remember it)
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16:45<scootergrisen>Odd. If i use gnome-disks to set a value i can see the change with hdparm -I. But if i set the value with hadparm -B gnome-disks still shows the old value.
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17:08<dboles>isn't that explained by what borschty said? :
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17:08<dboles>"gnome-disks probably just queries udisksd/storaged for the current values and that probably assumes that it is the only program managing those" - i thought he meant that udisks just loads the value in its config, rather than the real current
17:09<dboles>whereas going the other way, hdparm always loads the real current value
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17:38<Diogenes>Good evening.
17:38<Diogenes>I just upgraded my system to full Debian Testing.
17:38<somiaj>that help with your video card issues?
17:38<Diogenes>It did! XD
17:39<Diogenes>Thanks for asking. XD
17:39<Diogenes>Anyway, anyway, new problem, a minor one.
17:40<sney>testing support is officially in #debian-next, btw
17:40<Diogenes>What does that mean? O_O
17:40<Diogenes>What is debian-next?
17:40<Diogenes>Ah!
17:41<Diogenes>Got it.
17:41<Diogenes>Ok, I'll go there then. Thanks.
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18:20<MXD2>Hi, could someone help me how to solve a network is unreachable problem? Last I understood it was something to do with my install not installing tthe non-free firmware.
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18:33<somiaj>MXD2: do you have a wired connection you can use?
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18:34<MXD2>@somiaj - Yes, the computer I'm on now. I can use that. I'll switch to mobile chat if needed.
18:35<somiaj>Well I was hoping you could just connect your system to a wired system. There is a chance if you plug a cat-5 ethernet cable into your debian machine it will connect itself to the network.
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18:36<somiaj>MXD2: cat /etc/network/interfaces if you see an allow-hotplug eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp, it should automatically connect to the network if you plug a wire into it. Note eth0 may have a differerent name, but the rest shoudl be there
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18:37<MXD2>I did try that. Nothing happened. It didn't seem to care about the cable.
18:37<MXD2>Oh. let me try what you wrote now.
18:37<bill-auger>if you are using debian the wicd should handle connections
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18:38<bill-auger>messing with /etc/interfaces is not advisable if you use a network manager
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18:40<bill-auger>if your problem is a missing firmware then you need the firmware or a new network card
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18:41<somiaj>I got the understanding they were just loading into a console, not a desktop. It would be easier if MXD2 was using a desktop
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18:41<Mdx>Somiaj - it says no such file or directory.
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18:42<somiaj>Mdx: you should have an /etc/network/interfaces file, are you positive you typed it correctly?
18:43<somiaj>Mdx: are you loged into a desktop or just in a text console?
18:43<Mdx>cat etc/network/interfaces
18:43<Mdx>I'm on text console as root
18:43<bill-auger>i warn - you really do not want to edit /etc/interfaces
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18:43<bill-auger>especially if you dont know why cat etc/network/interfaces fails
18:44<Mdx>@bill at this point anything is helpful.
18:44<somiaj>there is no /etc/interfaces file
18:44<somiaj>Mdx: what is the output if 'ip a'
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18:45<bill-auger>or ip link
18:45<Mdx>Lots of words. I can screenshot...Unless you want me to tell you of a certain oortion
18:45<bill-auger>Mdx: did someone tell you you needed firmware
18:46<somiaj>Mdx: the whole output is just much easier to deal with then trying to get the info you need
18:46<somiaj>bill-auger: Mdx has a wired connection, trying to set that up to get firmware
18:46<bill-auger>if ou are missing firmware then no amount of configuration is going to help
18:46<bill-auger>ah ok - good plan
18:48<Mdx>Ok, buy what specific area should I post? I have looked and eth0. I'm not sure what parts are relevant. Or do you need me to type all of it?
18:48<bill-auger>Mdx: how many entries does ip a report?
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18:48<bill-auger>it has eth0 listed?
18:48<Mdx>lo*
18:48<bill-auger>only lo ?
18:49<bill-auger>then your driver is not loaded
18:49<Mdx>1. Is lo and has numbers next to it. 2. Is eth0
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18:49<bill-auger>ok thats good eth0 is the wired connection in the back of the PC
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18:50<bill-auger>does it say something like BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP or NO CARRIER
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18:50<somiaj>Mdx: do you know how to use nano?
18:50<somiaj>though it is still strange you don't have an interfaces file, lo should at least be listed in there and being brought up
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18:51<somiaj>Mdx: what version of Debian are you running?
18:51<bill-auger>the interfaces file is there - look closely ...
18:51<bill-auger> why cat etc/network/interfaces fails
18:51<Mdx>For eth0 (broadcast, multicast) MTU 65536 qdusc noqueue state unknown mode default group default
18:51<Mdx>Then some hex numbers.
18:51<Mdx>No idea what nano is
18:52<somiaj>Mdx: a text editor
18:52<Mdx>8.7.1 network install minimal
18:52<somiaj>Mdx: you should still have an interfaces file, ls /etc/network, what is that output
18:53<bill-auger>but if wicd is in control you most likely do not want to touch that file
18:53<Mdx>Cannot access. No such file or directory.
18:53<bill-auger>wicd has a command line interface i would look into that first
18:53<somiaj>bill-auger: from a minimial netinstall none of that could possibaly be installed
18:53<Mdx>What should i type down?
18:53<somiaj>Mdx: ok does 'ls /etc' work
18:53<bill-auger>there is no /etc/network folder that pretty seruous
18:54<Mdx>la /etc shows a bunch of thunga
18:54<somiaj>Mdx: dpkg -l netbase
18:54<somiaj>you should see ii netbase as the last line
18:55<somiaj>Mdx: also dpkg -i initscripts
18:55<Mdx>I do
18:56<somiaj>netbase creates the /etc/network directory, the fact that you don't have it says somethign is strange about your install
18:56<Mdx>Error processing archive initscrupta
18:56<somiaj>Mdx: it says 'ii netbase' at the bottom, not other letts
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18:56<Mdx>No such file
18:56<bill-auger>can you wipe ouyt and re-install ?
18:56<somiaj>Mdx: soryr my bad, dpkg -l initscripts
18:57<somiaj>Mdx: I suggest a reinstall with a firmware installer
18:57<somiaj>!firmware images
18:57<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>.
18:57<Mdx>Iirc netbase was the last for the netbase command you gave
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18:58<somiaj>Mdx: you are missing some core files for reasons I don't know. There is a good chance that firmware installer will be able to detect your wifi and use it during the install. If not use the wired connection during the install to get a desktop
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18:59<Mdx>Alright I'll try the link and reinstall. Thank you for the help so far.
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19:09<MDX_>@somiaj @bill - Regarding the firmware I'm downloading, am I going to treat it like a boot and use win32disk?
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19:10<somiaj>correct, just use win32diskimager to copy it to your usb drive like you would any debian installer
19:10<MDX_>got it
19:10<somiaj>this is only unoffical has debian likes to keep non-free software out of the offical installers due to the DSFG, it is craeted by debian
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19:20<MDX_>@somiaj - its asking me to make a new hostname. I take it this new one is going to overwrite my previous install?
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19:21<somiaj>MDX_: correct, you want to format the old install and do a completely new one
19:21<ach>no if you register in dns maybe the dns server gives it a new hostname
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19:21<somiaj>ach: that may be domain name there
19:23<ach>no the dmain name is what the dns server stores normale and or you can have both host and domain name
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19:24<ach>but usually it makes no sense have domain name without an hostname
19:26<ach>like you cou secret domainname dns servers can contact each others
19:26<ach>*can
19:26<somiaj>I thought the hostname was more in terms of the machine and domain name is what other machines see you, though maybe domain name is reserved for fully quilified domain names.
19:27<ach>in the simplest host is a single ip and domain one broadcast
19:28<ach>or one range
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19:37<ach>somiaj is right
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21:39<annadane>on debian stable, how do i know when to upgrade the kernel? my assumption is to just leave it alone and have it auto upgrade when it does
21:40<annadane>i assume it'll be in stretch
21:40<annadane>(as a default)
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21:45<sney>annadane: newer kernels for debian stable are available from backports.debian.org if you need some newer features, otherwise just make sure you have the linux-image-$(uname -m) metapackage installed and you will get auto updates for security/bugfixes etc
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21:46<annadane>i just now discovered that the wiki has a KernalFAQ page
21:47<annadane>(but thank you)
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21:59<ax>Hey ! I'm trying to get Bluetooth to work on my laptop, and as said here : https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/MSI/GS60#Bluetooth , I have to patch the Kernel. From what I've read elsewhere, I'm told I have to recompile the kernel and do heavy stuff in order to do so. Is there another way ?
22:01<sney>ax: the date on that bugreport is 2 years ago, so the information may be out of date
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22:14<ax>Actually, when I boot, there's a message that says : "[ 8.779735] Bluetooth: Loading patch file failed". So perhaps my kernel is already patched ? 2 years ago when I got this laptop I had to install this : https://github.com/kvalo/ath10k-firmware/tree/master/QCA6174/hw2.1 in order to make wifi work. I have since updated Debian, and I read somewhere that the Kernel now natively supported my wifi card. I have indeed seen errors show up when I boot such as
22:14<ax> "firmware failed to load" since I update, even though wifi is working. Perhaps I do need to unpatch the kernel ? But I wouldn't know how.
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