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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-02-25

---Logopened Sat Feb 25 00:00:00 2017
---Daychanged Sat Feb 25 2017
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00:16-!-kmshanah is "Kevin Shanahan" on #debian
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02:04-!-josh-debian-testing is "josh" on #debian-au #debian-next #debian-kde #debian
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02:27-!-user is "realname" on #debian
02:27-!-user is now known as Guest1605
02:28<Guest1605>hi
02:28<Guest1605>hello
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02:28-!-namosca is "purple" on #debian #kernelnewbies
02:28<Guest1605>whats this?
02:29<Guest1605>i am new to this tell me some thing about this
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02:32<dtw>This is a chat.
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02:35-!-amiconn is "Jens" on #debian-next #debian
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02:37-!-legaume is "legaume" on #debian #Corsair
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02:56-!-cyb3rt0n is "realname" on #debian
02:56<cyb3rt0n>hi
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04:05-!-viccuad is "Víctor Cuadrado Juan" on #debian-vim #debian-multimedia #debian-qa #debconf #debian-reproducible #debian-mentors #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian #kernelnewbies
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04:14-!-viccuad_ is "Víctor Cuadrado Juan" on #debian-vim #debian-multimedia #debian-qa #debconf #debian-reproducible #debian-mentors #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian #kernelnewbies
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04:46-!-sunilmohan_ is "Sunil Mohan Adapa" on #freedombox #debian-blends #debian-boot #monkeysphere #debian-js #debian-in #pere #osdg-iiith #debian-webapps #debian-reproducible #debian-arm #debian
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07:33<babylon>quick question, will stretch still efficiently perform on older hardware? i have old netbook now still running jessie for last 2 years... possible to upgrade to stretch without losing a lot performance? thanks
07:34<babylon>fyi, I am always using xfce as DE
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08:03<bill-auger>depends what you consider "older" hardware
08:04<bill-auger>i am running debian/testing on a core2duo now
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08:05<bill-auger>IMHO "older" hardware would be the 32bit CPUs like pentium4 celleron
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08:07<bill-auger>it is your DE that has the biggest impact on performance - debian will probably run just fine on a celleron with something light like openbox or LXDE
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08:15<babylon>bill-auger: it's worse :) it's a asus eeepc 1000he with Intel Atom N270/N280 cpu and 2gb ram... bottleneck is clearly the cpu
08:15<bill-auger>i had one of those - those are quite capable
08:15<babylon>will look into openbox on jessie to see if it increases performance, if so, I will try to upgrade to stretch
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08:16<bill-auger>quite more powerful than a celeron
08:16<babylon>ok, will give it a try, thanks :)
08:17<bill-auger>try LXDE first - LXDE installs openbox - then you can select openbox from the login screen
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08:18<bill-auger>you will little or no perfarmance difference going from debian 8 to 9 if you keep the same DE
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08:43<FLD>how do you handle the situation where /boot runs out of space while trying to install a kernel image?
08:43<FLD>apt becomes deadlocked in that scenario
08:44<FLD>you can not purge existing kernels and you can not install the one you tried to install
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08:47<TobiX>FLD: Delete old iniramfs first?
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08:48<FLD>ah, so manually delete old initramfs so i can 'apt-get -f install' the failed install
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08:49<FLD>yeah, that worked
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09:02<chrishell>hello out there, where are the md5sum's of the netiso files I can download from this site: https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/#netinst-stable ?
09:03<grawity>see http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/
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09:22<chrishell>thank you
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09:34<BugByte>Hi
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10:06<userkarlix>i createt in the past, i thin 3 years ago, with debian live a live cd. But the project is as i now no more supported. I there another way to crate its own live cd?
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10:17<bill-auger>userkarlix: does it need to be debian?
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10:17<bill-auger>thats basically what knoppix is for - look up knoppix
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10:24<ytdebian>I want to upload my own package.
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10:25<mrabood>I have trouble opening brootat
10:25<mrabood>portat
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11:58<kennel>hello
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12:00<calippso>hello
12:01<kennel>calippso Brazil?
12:01<kennel>calippso banda de musica aqui brega rasgado
12:01<calippso>kennel: boha cara
12:01<petn-randall>!chat
12:01<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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12:01<calippso>nao mais falo
12:01<kennel>†calippso† uahauahuaha
12:02<kennel>ok dpkg
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12:08<real007>hello all, i am of Barcelona someone user debian use freeBSD?
12:08<real007>need firewall to freeBSD
12:08<real007>i have iptables
12:08<real007>but i unknow how make firewall with ipfw
12:09<real007>someone people reply
12:09<real007>nothing
12:09<mtn>real007: are you using debian, with the freebsd kernel, or are you using freebsd?
12:09<mtn>real007: try being patient, too
12:09<kennel>real007
12:09<real007>not write in hardisk was use of 3.4 to 4.3
12:10<kennel>real007 use pfsense
12:10<real007>will buy other portable computer and write
12:10<kennel>aplience in FreeBSD
12:10<real007>kennel yo use freeBSD?
12:10<real007>kennel yoU use freeBSD?
12:10<kennel>‡real007‡ yes
12:10<real007>umm
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12:11<real007>i cant query to you
12:11<mtn>!freebsd
12:11<dpkg>i heard freebsd is NOT better than Debian, and it is not worse. It is just different. Admittedly one might be more interested in using FreeBSD as a server OS rather than as a desktop workstation. http://www.freebsd.org/ ##freebsd on irc.freenode.net. For the Debian port, ask me about <kfreebsd>.
12:11<mtn>real007: not support in this channel
12:11<kennel>I change for aplience pfsense
12:11<real007>dkpg dont like talk of freeBSD, go room of freeBSD
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12:14<real007>i have this firewall
12:14<real007>iptables -F
12:14<real007>killall rpcbind
12:14<real007>rpc.statd
12:14<real007>#proteccion cokies
12:14<real007>echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syncookies
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12:23<real007>someone people speak spanish or portugese
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12:24<mtn>!es
12:24<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
12:26<real007>dpkg gracias pero se hablar ingles, speak english, latin, catalan, spanish, and was speak portuguese, i am with irssi to irc.sapo.pt
12:26<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, real007
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12:30<pawel>hi guys
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12:36<Loidt[m]>Hi
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12:42<scootergrisen>How do i run the same command on all files in a folder?
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12:42<zykotick9>scootergrisen: for i in * ; do foo $i ; done
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12:45<scootergrisen>Thanks. But are there not an easier way and is quick to write?
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12:46<scootergrisen>Like something like command | grep ls -1 or something
12:46<scootergrisen>ls -1 shows a nice list
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12:51<[6667]ShapeShifter>i thought that said global security update
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14:19<debianinstal>I wish to install debian, but I have a probelm. At the install time, the installer screams at me a thing related to.... missing firmware.
14:19<arlecchino>what comand i need to use to open .msi file ?
14:19<petn-randall>arlecchino: You probably need windows for that.
14:19<Kafei>debianinstal: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ try one of these, maybe
14:19<debianinstal>I tried to install from an .iso image which is LIVE and NON-official
14:19<Kafei>Or just download firmware-nonfree after installing
14:20<petn-randall>debianinstal: Yeah, use the firmware installer if you need firmware to complete the installation.
14:20<petn-randall>!firmware installer
14:20<dpkg>Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>.
14:20<debianinstal>yes that one, from that link. from there is the .iso
14:20<petn-randall>debianinstal: ^^^
14:20<arlecchino>a way to install .msi files on linux ?>
14:21*debianinstal reading links ^^
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14:22<petn-randall>arlecchino: You could try to use wine to install windows programs, but I recommend finding a Linux alternative instead.
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14:26<arlecchino>petn
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14:26<arlecchino>i find how to open .msi file but i can install
14:26<arlecchino>http://imgur.com/a/b50eY
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14:28<petn-randall>!goal
14:28<dpkg>Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
14:28<petn-randall>arlecchino: ^^^
14:28<luizromario>Hello, all. After updating Debian a few moments ago, my nvidia driver won't load. It says something like "driver nvidia is already registered". How can I solve this?
14:28<petn-randall>arlecchino: I guess the error message explains it: You need to install Windows Vista or higher.
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14:30<debianinstal>thank you, I hope firmware problem will be solved.
14:30<petn-randall>luizromario: Updating from what to what?
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14:35<luizromario>petn-randall: Jessie to jessie, it was just a regular update
14:35<luizromario>Just normal apt upgrade
14:36<luizromario>It updated the kernel and the video driver, among other things
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14:41<mtn>luizromario: did you try a reboot?
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14:42<luizromario>I'll try that
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14:47<luizromario>Rebooting didn't help
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14:50<luizromario>I still get the same "driver nvidia is already registered message@
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14:55<luizromario>Hm, after uninstalling the nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver and trying to install it again, I found that there are some broken packages
14:55<petn-randall>luizromario: Where do you get this message?
14:56<petn-randall>luizromario: Oh, in that case, please provide:
14:56<petn-randall>!bat
14:56<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
14:56<luizromario>petn-randall: At boot and when I try to modprobe nvidia
15:01<luizromario>petn-randall: Any tool to help me copy/paste in a tty?
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15:02<zykotick9>luizromario: with a mouse? try gpm. for other cases, try screen/tmux for more advanced, copy/paste text options.
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15:07<petn-randall>!pastebinit
15:07<dpkg>A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
15:07<petn-randall>Ah, they left.
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15:08<real007>petn-randall you use jessie or streech
15:08<real007>i have sources.list of jessie
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15:22<binwunder>hola
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15:22<dark>ciao
15:22<binwunder>como estan por
15:22<zykotick9>petn-randall: after reading the short-backlog, i realized that luizromario was looking for a !pastebinit type thing, but remember some site that used nc (netcat) with regular terminal commands... cat/ls/etc but by the time i found the http://www.termbin.com/ link they had already left. pastebinit can be configured to use debian's pastebin, do you know if it's that way be default? or does it use <pasteb
15:23<zykotick9>in.com>?
15:23<dark>sto bene
15:23<real007>loquor in lingua latina
15:23<real007>no parlare italiano
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15:23<lostatwork>!it
15:23<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
15:24<real007>salvete cuicumque, nomem mihi ivanus est
15:24<binwunder>español
15:24<real007>ego loquor in lingua latina, quare lingua morta est
15:24<dark>ubi major minor cessat
15:25<real007>Quaeso ne hoc haddas malum
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15:25<real007>idignos amoribus juventuti meritriciis interdicere
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15:26<Guest1709>!list
15:26<dpkg>guest1709: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.7.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
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15:26<admin>hi bro
15:26<binwunder>no entiendo
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15:27<admin>за что?
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15:27<zykotick9><from the try it and see department> default for pastebinit from debian http://paste.debian.net/916783/ :)
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15:37<[o_O]>!t <admin> за что?
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16:16<r_rios>Hello, all. I'm the person having problems with the nvidia drivers after an update. So, it turns out the package conflicts came from a couple of packages from jessie-backports. I disabled it and now there are no package conflicts
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16:18<r_rios>But the driver still won't load. I tried uninstalling all nvidia-related packages and install them again, but it didn't help. I still get the "Driver 'nvidia' already registered" message
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16:18<r_rios>Also, when modprobing, I get a "Could not insert 'nvidia-304xx-legacy': No such device" message
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16:19<r_rios>The previous kernel version was 3.16, I think. It was updated to 4.9.
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16:32<diefi>I'm a little confused about "$XDG_CONFIG_HOME" as per definition it should be "~/.config" yet if I call the set variables this link is missing. My problem right now is a problem with a python program that uses $XDG_CONFIG_HOME to get information on where to save the config file, and come back empty handed. What is the best solution for that? Editing the .py where it uses XDG_CONFIG_HOME or add that manually to debian?
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16:33<somiaj>If $XDG_CONFIG_HOME is not set you should look in the standard places in the script
16:34<somiaj>is the script using python-xdg, does this not look in the standard places too?
16:35<diefi>this is the file that should point to the config file https://github.com/streamlink/streamlink/blob/master/src/streamlink_cli/constants.py
16:36<diefi>as you can see it uses os.environ.get("XDG_CONFIG_HOME", "~/.config") to define where the config file should be located
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16:39<r_rios>So, it seems nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver isn't compatible with Linux 4.9. What now?
16:39<joeseph>is there any way to up a live-debian to a gnome version >3.14, to test?
16:39<r_rios>Should I just use nouveau?
16:40<somiaj>diefi: so you have XDG_CONFIG_HOME="" somewhere so that isn't setting it to the default value? I don't seem to have XDG_CONFIG_HOME defined on my system, so unsure what is defining it
16:41<r_rios>(I'm saying that because I booted into 3.16, reinstalled the driver and it worked normally, so I'm almost sure it has something to do with the kernel version)
16:41<somiaj>r_rios: use nouveau and wait for nvidia to update it to work with the newer kernels.
16:41<somiaj>,v nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver
16:41<judd>Package: nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 304.134-0~deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 304.134-0~deb8u1; jessie-backports/non-free: 304.134-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 304.134-2; sid/non-free: 304.134-2
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16:41<somiaj>r_rios: have you tried the backports legacy driver, it may be updated already
16:41<diefi>somiaj according to this it should point to $HOME/.config
16:41<diefi>https://specifications.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/latest/ar01s03.html
16:42<somiaj>joeseph: in theory yes, but it would require you building a custom live image which isn't that straight forward using live-build.
16:42<r_rios>somiaj, I'll try that. How do I install it?
16:43<somiaj>diefi: it says if it is not set it should default to $HOME/.config
16:43<somiaj>diefi: but this isn't the shells job, this is the job of the program that sees it is not set or empty. It seems that os.enviorn.get doesn't default if it is empty, might need to put an additional check in there.
16:43<diefi>somiaj, so my question is, if its supposed to be default, why is it nowhere set in debian itself?
16:44<somiaj>diefi: programs should default correctly, so it should really need to be set in the enviorment if the user doesn't need to change the location.
16:45<somiaj>diefi: there are lots of enviorment variables you can set to change behavior from the default, but they shoudln't need to be set to get default behavor.
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16:45<somiaj>derfel_: s/should need to be set/shouldn't need to be set/
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16:47<r_rios>The nouveau driver works, but it's rather glitchy
16:47<diefi>somiaj, sorry if I sound like a broken record, but how should a program request from debian, what the current setting for that location is if the variables are nowhere defined in debian?
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16:49<somiaj>diefi: the program should set this. Just like you have XDG_CONFIG_HOME = os.environ.get("XDG_CONFIG_HOME", "~/.config") to default, might want to add a check if XDG_CONFIG_HOME == "": XDG_CONFIG_HOME = "~/.config"
16:49<somiaj>diefi: I would think python-xdg might already have libaries for this.
16:50<somiaj>but I don't know it that well.
16:50<somiaj>a python channel might have better advise for how to correctly default enviroment variables that are not set or blank.
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16:54<joeseph>samiaj: TY. reason is I wanted to look at some of the more popular themese but majority of them seem to be for 3.20 and up..
16:55<diefi>ok thx
16:57<r_rios>somiaj, How do I install the backports version? I get a lot of conflicts when I try to do that
16:57<joeseph>Also, if anyone knows, I get more than occasionally, freezes/lockups of the desktop when a video plays in firefox. I have to poweroff, or if I can wait, Ctrl-Alt-F1 to the console which I hae purposely left a root shell running so I can explicity kill the firefox process which I always note the PID of as soon as I launch it for this specific reason. (It can take a couple of hrs for the system to actually respond to the req t
16:58<somiaj>r_rios: can you please paste the full output of the command you run at paste.debian.net. Should just be apt-get -t jessie-backports install nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver
16:58<joeseph>This happens on deb-live vers 8.6, 8.7.1, with XFCE or GNOME.. (flash is installed. Could be a flash video, html5 video or YouTube video that sets it off) If any1 has any insight on this 'd love to hear it
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16:59<somiaj>joeseph: stretch release is ont he way (it is under a full freeze), you could isntall a test system to try out the new things, or just wait for the release, live iamges will be made then
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17:00<luizromario>somiaj: https://paste.debian.net/916799/
17:00<somiaj>joeseph: could be a video driver issue?
17:00<joeseph>somiaj: perhaps. not sure how to diagnose. This is an acer aspire notebook.. about 6 years old..
17:00<joeseph>I'd assume the drivers are mature
17:01<r_rios>somiaj, that worked
17:01<somiaj>luizromario: what was the command you typed? okay
17:01<r_rios>I was trying to specify the version
17:01<somiaj>joeseph: what card? What drivers are actually being used? After you are able to get your system back is there anything in the xorg logs, dmesg, or .xsession-errors that could give an idea what is going on?
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17:05<r_rios>somiaj, I managed to install the backports driver, thanks
17:05<joeseph>somiaj: good q.. any quick way to see video card?
17:05<r_rios>But the same error occurred
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17:06<r_rios>I think I'm out of luck in this case. Should I just stick to the 3.16 driver?
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17:07<joeseph>Feb 23 01:57:12 localhost kernel: [ 2.199035] agpgart-intel 0000:00:00.0: Intel HD Graphics Chipsetet
17:08<joeseph>Feb 23 01:57:13 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0[1147]: (--) intel(0): Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) HD Graphics
17:09<joeseph>Feb 23 01:58:04 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0[1147]: (II) intel(0): EDID vendor "LGD", prod id 52993
17:09<joeseph>Feb 23 11:28:29 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0[27031]: (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so
17:10<joeseph>Feb 23 11:28:29 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0[27031]: (II) intel(0): [DRI2] Setup complete Feb 23 11:28:29 localhost gdm-Xorg-:0[27031]: (II) intel(0): [DRI2] DRI driver: i965
17:11<joeseph>...grepping thru messages
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17:12<joeseph>gotta step out, thanks somaij. ill look at responses lil l8r
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17:24<r_rios>Yeah, the 4.9 kernel also came from the backports repo, so I'm just going to disable the repo
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18:12<[o_O]>!linux
18:12<dpkg>it has been said that linux is closed
18:13<[o_O]>!LDPS wireless
18:13<sney>!msg the bot
18:13<dpkg>Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . Also ask me about <judd>, which is another bot and window into the Ultimate Debian Database.
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18:39<noe>help... https://paste.debian.net/916835/
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18:41<xmaka>there is no 'playonlinux' at debian
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18:42<noe>hmm... but here it is https://packages.debian.org/jessie/playonlinux
18:42<xmaka>sry is wasn't correct
18:42<noe>no problem bro
18:42<xmaka>it is there but you need the 'contrib' repository
18:43<noe>oh okay
18:43<noe>thank you
18:43<xmaka>np
18:44<xmaka>noe, !contrib
18:44<xmaka>hmh.
18:44<xmaka>dpkg, contri
18:44<dpkg>xmaka: no idea
18:45<xmaka>dpkg, contrib
18:45<xmaka>dpkg tell noe contrib
18:45<xmaka>i give up.
18:45<noe>I will use this https://blog.mypapit.net/2011/08/how-to-add-contrib-and-non-free-repository-in-debian-gnulinux.html
18:45<xmaka>could work
18:46<[o_O]>!s contrib linux debian
18:46<jhutchins_wk>I get the grub command prompt, if I set it up to boot within grub (root, linux, initrd, boot) I get "error: no suitable graphic mode found/booting blind mode"
18:47<jhutchins_wk>Never does open a display.
18:47<[o_O]>http://askubuntu.com/questions/27513/what-is-the-difference-between-debian-contrib-non-free-and-how-it-corresponds
18:48<noe>it seems that I already have contrib, as it is duplicate
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18:49<noe>interesting loop here to be investigated, but I should go to sleep
18:50<[o_O]>Loop?
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18:51<noe>well - you wish to install playonlinux -> then you need contrib -> but I already have contrib -> on debian website the package exist -> in repros there is not -> on playonlinux there is but for WHEEZE or Lenny etc, but not for Jessie
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18:52<noe>so, yes, it is kina like a loop, "you can see it but you can not touch it = use it"
18:52<[o_O]>I keep Hearing that Mint is better then debian personally
18:53<xmaka>noe, paste your soures.list
18:53<jhutchins_wk>.
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18:54<[o_O]>!s debian Jesse install playonlinux
18:54<noe>xmaka, here it is https://paste.debian.net/916838/
18:54<itd>jhutchins_wk: "Never does open a display." -> After grub nothing happens (no visible output change)?
18:54<xmaka>noe, try to add contrib to line 5&6
18:54<[o_O]>https://packages.debian.org/jessie/playonlinux
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18:56<[o_O]>might find some help on https://www.playonlinux.com/en/topic-13558-PlayOnLinux_on_Debian_Jessie.html forum
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18:57<noe>nope. that is not a viable resolution.
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18:57<noe>not wheezy
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18:57<[o_O]>well
18:58<noe>to old, deprecated, obsolete
18:58<[o_O]>even if i like the wording i must say
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18:58<[o_O]>sorry that about mint?
18:59<noe>hey, I just installed debian
18:59<[o_O]>debian needs to update alot if you ask me
18:59<noe>I had gentoo before.
18:59<[o_O]>i hear from debian pros that debian has internet errors
18:59<[o_O]>in were other lnux packages have expanded behond
19:00<blast007>[o_O]: if you prefer Mint I bet they have their own IRC channel
19:00<noe>eerything is buggy and has spikes
19:00<[o_O]>however debian is goof
19:00<[o_O]>good
19:00<[o_O]>lol
19:00<[o_O]>i have my own irc server :P
19:01<[o_O]>i have debian o one computer
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19:01<noe>these days
19:01<noe>kids dont do irc
19:01<noe>kids do youtube and fb.
19:02<itd>dpkg: chat
19:02<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
19:02<noe>yes I have a debian suport question. can you help me dpkg?
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19:02<blast007>that's a bot
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19:02<noe>is there a playonlinux package for Jessie or not?
19:03<itd>judd: versions playonlinux
19:03<judd>Package: playonlinux on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 4.1.1-1; jessie/contrib: 4.2.5-1; sid/contrib: 4.2.10-2; stretch/contrib: 4.2.10-2
19:03<noe>I know, but he dosen't know that
19:03<itd>noe: Yes.
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19:03<[o_O]>really if i were you i still say that in your problem that the support from the forum group of playonlinux
19:03<blast007>there is. you have to enable the contrib repository.
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19:03<[o_O]>might be better for your situation
19:03<noe>good.
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19:03<blast007>!contrib
19:03<dpkg>[contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ [jessie|stretch|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>.
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19:03<TheWest>hey
19:03<noe>so, if there is a package in "contrib" and I have "contrib", why apt and aaptitude and synaptic will NOT find it?..
19:04<itd>noe: Did you do a "apt-get update"?
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19:04<blast007>noe: basically, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list lines to say "main contrib" instead of "main", and then run 'apt update'
19:04<TheWest>everyone have program
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19:05<noe>it is working
19:06<noe>I have done what blast007 said and it is there now
19:07<itd>jhutchins_wk: Never had your problem, but from what I understand you could try to boot in text mode. (See https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#gfxpayload)
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20:06<jhutchins_wk>Grub goes straight to the prompt, never displays a menu.
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20:24<joeseph>Any1 know how to determine specifically which video chipset is in my laptop, and if there are updated video drivers for it?
20:24<somiaj>lspci should list the chipsets you have available
20:26<joeseph>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) 00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset HECI Controller (rev 06)
20:26<joeseph>sound correct?
20:27<somiaj>sure, lets get some more details, do 'lspci -nn' and on that line get teh actual pciid, it will look something like [10de:1184]
20:28<joeseph>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Contr oller [8086:0046] (rev 02)
20:29<somiaj>,pciid 8086:0046
20:29<judd>[8086:0046] is 'Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'i915', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0046
20:29<somiaj>silly bot, thinks everything uses the snd-hda-intel module
20:30<somiaj>joeseph: anyways, intel is fairly well supported and should be working just fine. I doubt you need to do anything, but tehre is an upgraded kernel and xserver-xorg-video-intel for intel cards in jessie-backports
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20:31<joeseph>somiaj: being this is a live 8.7.1, I proly won;t be able to upgrade those system things.. ?
20:31<somiaj>I'm unsure how new that card is, but I woudln't think you would get much from any of those upgrades. What is your issue that makes you think you need to upgrade?
20:31<joeseph>oh.
20:32<joeseph>Also, if anyone knows, I get more than occasionally, freezes/lockups of the desktop when a video plays in firefox. I have to poweroff, or if I can wait, Ctrl-Alt-F1 to the console which I hae purposely left a root shell running so I can explicity kill the firefox process which I always note the PID of as soon as I launch it for this specific reason. (It can take a couple of hrs for the system to actually respond to the req t
20:32<joeseph>This happens on deb-live vers 8.6, 8.7.1, with XFCE or GNOME.. (flash is installed. Could be a flash video, html5 video or YouTube video that sets it off) If any1 has any insight on this 'd love to hear it
20:32<joeseph>This is an acer aspire notebook.. about 6 years old..
20:32<somiaj>does this happen on an installed system or only the live system?
20:32<joeseph>runnning live system
20:33<somiaj>live systems run in memeory, and usb can be slow, if you fill up your memeory it can lag it out
20:33<joeseph>I see.. but I mean, the whole desktop (system) will freeze.lock up, randomly, when any video plays.
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20:34<joeseph>If I try to CRTL-AltF1 to a console, it may take hours before it responds
20:34<joeseph>....it will.
20:34<joeseph>then I can type kill <PID> for firefox and all is better
20:34<joeseph>(typing the kill cmd takes 10 minutes)
20:34<joeseph>this has ocurred many times
20:35<somiaj>firefox is a terrible memeory hog, as I suggeted earlier check dmesg for errors that are hapening, but if this is runnign on a live system it could just be memeory issue. How much memeory is on that system?
20:35<joeseph>4gb
20:35<joeseph>would dmesg or messages contain clues of what occurs?
20:35<somiaj>that should be okay, but it is sounding like memeory or i/o issues due to not having a swap
20:35<somiaj>it might, it could be io issues
20:36<joeseph>k.
20:36<joeseph>so you surmize that this likely wouldnt occur on an installed system.
20:37<somiaj>Depends on how much ram firefox is eating up, but with a swap drive and not running off of usb and fully in memeory might help
20:37<joeseph>gotcha
20:37<somiaj>watch your memeory usage during this, that should at least let you know if that is a problem. Look for some io bottle neck that is pausing your system.
20:38<joeseph>yeah, I could leave the system monitor opened i suppose.
20:38<somiaj>maybe use youtube-dl and other means to get videos that wont' eat so much in the browser.
20:39<joeseph>it's so random tho. It could happen two times in one day (with regular daily use) and then just not occur for several days, even a week or 2
20:39<joeseph>..and not just you tube,., could be just a video inside of someones twitter feed that sets it off.
20:40<joeseph>..and it's not like I go back to the errant video and it locks up again,,. the video will play just fine after I "recover" from the freeze
20:40<joeseph>totally random.. and always due to some video playback when it occurs.
20:41<somiaj>the fact that you can recover makes it seem less like video/glx issue and more a io bottle neck somewhere
20:41<somiaj>video playback is io/memeory intensive compared to other stuff you may be doing.
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20:45<joeseph>interesting.. I'd had thought, being in the 20-teens and not the 90's any more, that a system, even live, with 4gb of RAM would not exhibit such random, low-level system issues.
20:45<joeseph>basically, just web browser is running,
20:45<joeseph>couple cli's, notpad.
20:45<joeseph>very basic
20:46<joeseph>yeah, alot of tabs in ff, like 10
20:46<joeseph>but still
20:46<somiaj>I've seen live systems lag a bit (not like you described) just due to usb2 being slow to load stuff off of. Once it is in memeory it is fine, but there is a lot of other stuff in memeory.
20:46<joeseph>.. yeah, USB boot/system device, USB mouse, and builtin wireless adapter.. thats it
20:47<joeseph>..its literally 2 or more hours before the system responds to the CtrlAltF1.. sometimes Ill just reboot.
20:47<joeseph>..kill FF, and system is back likenothing happened
20:48<somiaj>keep checking things until you get some error/message that looks like the culprit
20:48<somiaj>Any reason you run off of live systems and not just install debian?
20:48<joeseph>yeah.. ill grep messages for errors next time it occurrs.
20:48<joeseph>..actually I can see now since I haven;t power cycled and had one occurrence.
20:49<somiaj>well I have to head out, google is a good place to start look up error messages
20:49<joeseph>I like the "temporary-ness" of it, for privacy..
20:49<joeseph>..and I haven't the space ATM on the HD anyway,.. have to move of bunnch of vid's then I can resize Win7
20:50<joeseph>..but it's cool to try diff flavors of linux out using YUMI
20:51<joeseph>I've only been messing with deb and ubuntu mostly.. alas I know they're much the same
20:51<joeseph>I should try gentoo or suse or something. maybe fedora.. see if I get the same issue
20:52<joeseph>...just that I feel like, Deb (ubuntu) are most supported distros.. nmaybe Im wrong
20:52<joeseph>thanks for hep somiaj.. take care
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23:06<rangergord>what is the Debian policy on packaging a tool that is FOSS, but intentionally has limited features, to promote a paid non-FOSS full version that would be a separate download from a 3rd party website? Would Debian be OK with menu entries that are grayed out with a "Only available in Pro version" tooltip? I couldn't see anything about this in the package policy document on the website.
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23:06<rangergord>Example: a note-taking app whose FOSS community edition allows inserting text, but the non-FOSS paid edition allows inserting images, audio, etc
23:07<rangergord>Would such a tool ever make it into the main repos?
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23:09<lostsoul>need some help. i'm trying to copy the file from download folder by highlighting it, right click and scroll to copy to, however it only allows me to copy to the home. why is that?
23:09<themill>there are precedents for community editions but they tend not to advertise like that. crippleware isn't great for the community
23:09<rangergord>themill: what are some of those precedents?
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23:10<themill>train wrecks like openoffice, mysql, java and virtualbox come to mind.
23:10<themill>They have something in common though....
23:10<rangergord>themill: how can you show people what features are missing from the community edition without graying out menu entries? A popup at startup would feel more obnoxious IMO.
23:11<themill>would *also* be obnoxious.
23:12<rangergord>themill: how would you do it then?
23:12<themill>I wouldn't.
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23:12<themill>crippleware isn't great for the community
23:12<rangergord>what if you can only afford to take time off work and write this tool, because you think you might recoup the money
23:13<themill>I have more respect for the Debian community than to shove things like that down their throats and then play crack dealer
23:13<rangergord>idk, I certainly appreciate Pycharm Community Edition by Jetbrains, and I'm glad they give it for free.
23:13<rangergord>as FOSS
23:14<rangergord>I feel like it's a good thing for the community
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23:14<themill>pycharm is not free software
23:14<rangergord>PyCharm Community isn't in the main Debian repos...so I was thinking maybe this was against policy
23:14<rangergord>ooh, you're right, I thought it was FOSS
23:15<rangergord>no wait, it is. Apache 2!
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23:17<themill>I can't see that anywhere
23:18<rangergord>That's what Wikipedia claims. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PyCharm Their github is here but I don't see a LICENSE file: https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community/tree/master/python
23:18<rangergord>http://www.jetbrains.org/display/IJOS/Ultimate+Edition+vs.+Community+Edition
23:19<rangergord>that was linked in a FAQ on their website about PyCharm. So I think PyCharm is just a subset of IntelliJ.
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23:26<themill>with no licence grant and previously published statements to the contrary, it's not going anywhere just yet
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