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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-04-19

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01:00<evsystem>hey
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01:01<evsystem>stop
01:02<evsystem>greetings
01:02<evsystem>I am from Indonesia
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01:03<OERIAS>some is sending me a ton of pms
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02:13<Lullaby>piper, you on?
02:14<Lullaby>HELP: I can't the sound driver installed. alsa
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02:16<jm_>alsa drivers come with the kernel, you don't install them separately
02:17<Lullaby>jm_, really... so if I have sound they are good?
02:19<Lullaby>jm_, I know the drivers can be downloaded from realtek site.
02:19<iflema>Lullaby: do you have sound without them?
02:20<iflema>or are you missing something?
02:20<Lullaby>iflema, yeah, just. There is an option to run the alsa service, but ticked or not there is no difference. Just wondering if they are working.
02:21<jm_>Lullaby: yeah if you have sound all is OK, or is there some issue with it?
02:21<iflema>ticked?
02:21<Lullaby>iflema, a check box.
02:21<iflema>lool
02:22<Lullaby>jm_, Okay. Sound is good.
02:23<iflema>Lullaby: what distro are you on. Vanilla Debian?
02:23<Lullaby>iflema, birdy
02:24*iflema i got little birdy legs.. the birdy legs the birdly legs
02:24<iflema>never heard of it
02:24<Lullaby>is that a song?
02:24<iflema>Lullaby: somehting like that...
02:25<iflema>what do the folks at birdy have to say about this "check box"
02:25<iflema>Lullaby: is it a testing releae you are on
02:26<iflema>or a "stable" release?
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02:28<iflema>oh ok
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02:29<qirex>hi
02:30<iflema>o/
02:32<Lullaby>iflema, its parrot, stable...
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02:32<Lullaby>was having more issues with debian
02:32<Lullaby>vanella
02:33<iflema>the parrot project
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02:34<iflema>Lullaby: so you had issues with outdated (vanilla) debian
02:34<qirex>Can i ask here for some instructions or anything about problems?
02:34<iflema>qirex: yes... Probably best to stick to Debian
02:34<aser>C i ask some problems?
02:34<iflema>aser: GO!
02:34<Lullaby>iflema, i guess
02:35<iflema>Lullaby: parrot is based on Debian unstable
02:35<aser>blackubuntu is debian's son?
02:35<Lullaby>iflema, its workig fine atm
02:35<iflema>Lullaby: just saying
02:35<qirex>I have an application i wanna use but it seems does not work for 64bit OS
02:36<aser>i386?
02:36<iflema>i cant belive im gonning to say this.... have a poke around ##linux
02:36<iflema>note the double hash
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02:38<qirex>I just installed the program called playonlinux for Debian 64bit but it seems not working
02:38<Lullaby>qirex, what program/game are you trying to run?
02:38<towo^work>playonlinux is only a gui manager for wine
02:39<aser>You can try install 32bit OS
02:39<iflema>qirex: just ask every half hour or so if nobody answers... someone might turn up... I have no idea. I use windows for windows stuff
02:39<towo^work>aser, nonsense
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02:40<qirex>Well on 32bit works fine i know for sure
02:40<qirex>i know its gui
02:40<towo^work>wine works good on 64bit, given all needed i386 packages are installed
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02:40<qirex>but its easy to use to manage bunch of wine versions
02:40<qirex>i cant do that manually
02:40<qirex>its very complicated
02:40<awal1>playonlinux is a gui for download some games for wine, I think so
02:41<qirex>no
02:41<awal1>well, I don't use wine so just guessing
02:41<qirex>it is to manage different versions of wine
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02:41<qirex>which is so called compatibility layer
02:41<qirex>you are able to install windows applications on linux
02:42*iflema whoops... wrong network
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02:43<qirex>however something is wrong on 64bit debian with this gui for wine
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02:44<towo^work>qirex, as long as you don't tell, what exact problem you have, no one can and will help
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02:45<qirex>well thats the problem the gui playonlinux is not able to manage or use the versions of wine somehow
02:45<qirex>i can just install them
02:46<qirex>and when i try to install app the program gives error msg
02:48<awal1>I tried wine in the past, I'm like "pretty sure", playonlinux is just for install games easily for wine, not for manage/configure wine. wine you start/run it via a terminal emulator: wine command
02:48<awal1>if you are looking for a gui for manage wine i think it isn't available in debian
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02:49<awal1>ubuntu have it
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02:49<awal1>...buntu specific
02:49<towo^work>awal1, wrong
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02:49<towo^work>awal1, playonlinux manages multiple wine-versions
02:50<awal1>towo^work, probably yeah
02:50<towo^work>and apps too
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02:50<towo^work>qirex, you have multiarch enabled on your system?
02:51<qirex>i dont know
02:51<towo^work>then you have not
02:51<towo^work>becaues it's not done automagic
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02:52<qirex>how can i do that
02:52<towo^work>qirex, you could read it in the wiki
02:53<awal1>well, I was completely wrong :D http://wiki.playonlinux.com/index.php/Main_Page
02:54<awal1>sorry ,
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03:53<qirex>I'm back
03:54<qirex>I was having a problem with another application already installed
03:55<qirex>It was a pain to remove so to be able to update the system
03:56<qirex>so what i think i did is i added i386 architecture and updated but i did nothing further
03:57<qirex>but many new packages was listed
03:57<qirex>...
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04:11<petn-randall>qirex: That sounds like something I'd expect.
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04:18<qirex>well i dont know what to do any further
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04:32<petn-randall>qirex: Go traveling, see the world, find love, have children, die of old age. Just a suggestion.
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04:35<qirex>What is this have to do with installing playonlinux on Debian 64bit
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04:37<jm_>if you want help then ask more specific questions
04:37<petn-randall>qirex: Ah, now we're getting closer to your problem. So you added the i386 architecture to your system, and you have playonlinux installed. What is stopping you from using it?
04:38<petn-randall>qirex: If for example it's throwing an error, you could show us the command + output via http://paste.debian.net.
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04:40<qirex>I installed playonlinux but it's unable to manage wine versions or install any software on any of them
04:41<qirex>no matter 32 or 64bit wine versions
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04:42<qirex>the only version showing some activity is the one installed from the system which is needed to activate the program on the first place
04:42<qirex>then someone here suggested to find out what is multiarch
04:43<jm_>so basically, the issue is with playonlinux not debian?
04:44<qirex>i dont know the issue but on a 32bit system is working fine
04:44<qirex>on 64bit it is not
04:45<qirex>is it the program perhaps may be i dont know
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04:46<petn-randall>!doesnt work
04:46<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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04:49<aser>hello?
04:49<Stummi>my dog doesn't work. She's just laying there all the day begging for food and scratches
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04:50<aser_>Has Chinese?
04:50<aser_>I has some ask
04:51<aser_>my kily installed error
04:51<Stummi>just ask
04:51<Stummi>kily?
04:51<aser_>how to solve
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04:51<aser_>yes kily
04:51<Stummi>what is a kily?
04:51<aser_>kali
04:51<aser_>...
04:52<Stummi>!kali
04:52<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
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04:52<aser_>all right
04:52<aser_>thank you
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04:56<grove>!cn
04:56<dpkg>如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助,請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道,連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明,或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作!
04:57<grove>(but an appropriate channel is probably better, I don't expect chinese-speaking debian users to know/care more about kali than we do)
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07:22<aidalgol>How do I make sure polkit is set up properly for my X session when I'm just using a bare window manager?
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07:23<Brigo>aidalgol, how do you started the X?
07:23<aidalgol>Brigo: startx from a VC
07:24<Brigo>aidalgol, then probably it is unsetting.
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07:26<aidalgol>I *think* what I'm after is an agent, since systemd is already running, and AIUI, that handles polkit now.
07:26<aidalgol>The program virsh is giving me this error: "error: authentication failed: no agent is available to authenticate"
07:26<aidalgol>Does my assessment sound about right?
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08:08<mb>hi, looking for a pam limits.conf expert here
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08:11<mb>I have a problem with www browser swap memory thrash
08:11<Guest688>hello mb
08:11<mb>hello Guest
08:12<petn-randall>mb: It's custom to just ask your question and then someone who knows the answer will respond (be patient, the answer might take an hour or so).
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08:13<mb>TY petn-randall
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08:15<petn-randall>mb: Don't msg people, see the topic.
08:15<petn-randall>mb: You still have to ask your actual question.
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08:17<petn-randall>!ask
08:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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08:45<madaboutjessie>hello, can you please give me some help with modsetting?
08:45<madaboutjessie>I need to change terminal TV mode
08:46<madaboutjessie>i think it is in pal and i need tro set it to NTSC
08:47<petn-randall>madaboutjessie: Which OS?
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08:47<madaboutjessie>Debian jessie
08:47<petn-randall>madaboutjessie: On a RPi?
08:47<madaboutjessie>base installation
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08:48<madaboutjessie>i dk what RPi is, remote procedure interface??
08:48<petn-randall>raspberry pi
08:49<madaboutjessie>not at all why you aask that?
08:49<madaboutjessie>is a desktop
08:49<madaboutjessie>a p4m800 for sure
08:50<madaboutjessie>with a nvidia 5200 gpu
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08:52<madaboutjessie>I know there are a lot of solutions on forums but it gets me confused that i dont need nor want to install xorg, and every solutions are for corg
08:53<peter1138>back in the day you could use svgatextmode to change the text console, but that's long obsolete.
08:54<madaboutjessie>I use fbset
08:54<madaboutjessie>an setterm
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08:54<mb>on ircii, how does one retrieve conversation history: say I want to see what madaboutjessie's question was?
08:55<madaboutjessie>mb i repeat it
08:55<madaboutjessie>i desperately need to change tv mode on terminal
08:56<madaboutjessie>of a base installation
08:56<madaboutjessie>i think that tv format is pal but i need to be ntsc
08:56<madaboutjessie>ot however actual tv mode is not proper
08:57<mb>base installation my specialty, but not pal/ntsc. why can't you use vt100 or tty?
08:57<madaboutjessie>im unsure if i need to install x related drivers since im not using X at all
08:58<mb>aren't you using a vga connection?
08:58<madaboutjessie>yes i do use one
08:58<madaboutjessie>for the monitor
08:58<madaboutjessie>but tv output is supervideo
08:59<madaboutjessie>im trying to mke an embedded system here
08:59<madaboutjessie>reusing an old mobo as video center
08:59<mb>ohhhh that's well beyond my ken
08:59<madaboutjessie>video player or watever you call it
09:00<madaboutjessie>also beyond mine
09:00<madaboutjessie>thats why for now all i have is a base system with a wrong tv mode
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09:01<mb>so you have two outputs, one vga, one tv?
09:01<madaboutjessie>on kernel log it says kms set tv mode to 0
09:01<mb>what's supervideo?
09:01<madaboutjessie>exactly
09:01<madaboutjessie>svideo
09:02<madaboutjessie>at a time where there was no dvi svideo was all it were
09:02<blast007>madaboutjessie: is that using the proprietary nVidia driver?
09:02<madaboutjessie>i tell you on a seccond
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09:03<madaboutjessie>im using libdrm-nouveau2
09:03<madaboutjessie>is the only thing i use
09:04<madaboutjessie>I think that kernel fb driver work better than nvidia driver
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09:05<mb>I once fiddled around with this problem (not exactly this but...) and found that there was a svga driver util toolset back before wheezy
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09:05<madaboutjessie>at least it set proper tv format
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09:06<mb>if you need nVidia hardware on your embedded system, your $$$ will be thru the roof before you leave go
09:06<madaboutjessie>then the problem is on the conector interface and not on the tv format?
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09:07<madaboutjessie>you said that because of energy consuming?
09:07<mb>are you unable to source vga type screens?
09:08<madaboutjessie>thats a fact im not even beeen able to find what my outputs are called
09:08<blast007>madaboutjessie: I see mention of a kernel boot option called nouveau.tv_norm here: https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/nouveau/2012-November/011589.html
09:10<madaboutjessie>xrandr: cant open display
09:11<mb>all the embedded hardware out there is vga
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09:11<madaboutjessie>(im on a telnet now)
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09:12<madaboutjessie>i saisd embedded system not hardware
09:12<mb>your costs for nvidia-ntsc will price you out of the market
09:12<mb>bye
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09:12<madaboutjessie>hopw do i properly invoke xrandr on a telnet session=
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09:13<blast007>telnet? do you mean SSH?
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09:13<madaboutjessie>i mean telnet
09:13<blast007>eww
09:13<madaboutjessie>telnet protocol
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09:14<peter1138>yeah, tv_norm=NTSC-M looks relevant
09:14<madaboutjessie>i use telnet because i think it simplier than ssh
09:14<peter1138>it's not
09:14<peter1138>well it is but not in ways that matter
09:15<madaboutjessie>yes looks good but i also wanmt to know why xrandr cant find its outputs
09:15<peter1138>xrandr is for xorg
09:15<madaboutjessie>ok
09:15<peter1138>i'm not sure how you intend to play back video without x, tbh
09:15<madaboutjessie>then i should edit boot conf
09:15<madaboutjessie>is an old mobo
09:16<madaboutjessie>i need to maximize efficiency
09:16<madaboutjessie>x is to much luxury for a system thatrs only supposed to output video
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09:17<peter1138>hmm, mplayer has fbdev output i suppose
09:17<madaboutjessie>fb is much faster
09:17<peter1138>not realy
09:17<madaboutjessie>vlc also
09:17<peter1138>it'll be unaccelerated for video, but i'm not sure what the 5200 has in way of video decoding anyway
09:17<madaboutjessie>--no-fb-tty
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09:18<vezult>I seem to be running into file descriptor limits on Debian 7.11 (squeeze)
09:18<vezult>I've modified /etc/security/limits.d/couchdb.conf
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09:18<vezult>raising the hard/soft limits there..
09:19<vezult>but if I su - couchdb....ulimit -a still shows the default of 1024
09:19<vezult>am I missing something?
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09:20<madaboutjessie>newbie question how do i (securely) edit kernel boot conf??
09:21<madaboutjessie>If its grub.conf i would like top set whatever on a new entry
09:22<peter1138>edit /etc/default/grub
09:22<peter1138>(then run update-grub)
09:22<madaboutjessie>thanks
09:22<madaboutjessie>how do i add a new entry?
09:22<vezult>madaboutjessie: /etc/grub.d/
09:23<madaboutjessie>so i can boot if everythiong goes wrong
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09:24<madaboutjessie>you are contradicting each other /etc/default/grub or /etc/grub.d ???
09:24<vezult>madaboutjessie: you want /etc/grub.d
09:25<vezult>if you look at /boot/grub/grub.cfg...
09:25<vezult>you'll see it identifies where certain bits are sourced
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09:26<vezult>in /etc/default/grub, you can set some env vars which are used for various purposes
09:26<vezult>but you can't do actual grub config there
09:26<madaboutjessie>i sligtly get it
09:27<madaboutjessie>grub.d has all the boot options
09:27<madaboutjessie>and i should edit custom
09:27<vezult>yes
09:27<madaboutjessie>lets give a try...
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09:28<madaboutjessie>why are there numbered??
09:28<vezult>ordering
09:29<vezult>if you added a 39_custom, it would be included before 40_custom
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09:30<madaboutjessie>can you be more explicit? if i have a 40_custom all i have to do is add "nouveau.tv_norm=NTSC-M" ?
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09:33<madaboutjessie>however that is what i did
09:33<blast007>if you just want to verify that the option works, you can edit the boot line from the grub menu at bootup
09:33<blast007>boot command*
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09:35<madaboutjessie>how do i do that?
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09:36<madaboutjessie>damn im a windows expert
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09:43<vezult>madaboutjessie: I believe there is an "advanced" option a boot time
09:43<vezult>select it, and it shows you all the available boot options
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09:44<vezult>then you can select your favorite one, and edit using the key-sequence indicated
09:44<vezult>I'm drawing a blank on what it is, at the moment. crtl-e, perhaps?
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09:49<blast007>I think you hit 'e' to edit the boot command. It tells you at the bottom of the grub menu.
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09:54<madaboutjessie>yes e
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09:55<madaboutjessie>but i already edited /etc/grub.d/40_custom have i screwed the entire system?
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10:04<vezult>OK, so apparently 7.11 doesn't use pam_limits.so by default, for su
10:04<vezult>jessie does.
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10:17<madaboutjessie>what is the easiest and simplest way of doing a full backup?
10:18<madaboutjessie>I only need one instance or snapshop
10:18<madaboutjessie>shot*
10:19<acald3ron>hard drive o files only ?
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10:21<madaboutjessie>not sure i only need a bacup so that i can restore the entire system if i screw it up
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10:23<madaboutjessie>like replacing everything wwith the backup once it is scewed
10:23<blast007>take an image of the disk
10:24<madaboutjessie>how do I mount that image later?
10:25<madaboutjessie>do the image ocupy the same space as the disk?
10:25<madaboutjessie>I mean do I need 80 gb to store an image of a disk of 80gb??
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10:27<madaboutjessie>and wehat about the running processes the devices andeverything elñse that is m,ounted??
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10:27<madaboutjessie>that are surely not needed
10:28<madaboutjessie>if not unconvenient
10:28<petn-randall>!qotd126
10:28<dpkg><helios> sorry for my english: I was rushing on my prompt (silly me!) and just stopped in time an "rm -rf /etc"...but I deleted all /etc/init* files and dirs <asg> helios: restore from backups. <helios> asg, backups?
10:29<petn-randall>madaboutjessie: It depends on what level of backup you want to make, and how the restore procedure should be.
10:30<petn-randall>madaboutjessie: Simplest way is to just mount a LV snapshot of the root filesystem and copy the data. Or just copy the relevant files by hand.
10:30<blast007>madaboutjessie: a disk image would take up whatever the size of the disk is and you would do it offline, so there's be no "running processes"
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10:30<petn-randall>madaboutjessie: You only want a full disk backup if you want to be able to do a bare metal recovery.
10:31<madaboutjessie>i only want to save time reinstalling and reconfiguring
10:32<blast007>bare metal recovery images are generally how embedded systems handle it
10:32<petn-randall>madaboutjessie: Then I'd use something like rdiff-backup to make backups of relevant data.
10:32<madaboutjessie>so i think im needing a backup of the system files and the configurationm files only
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10:32<madaboutjessie>what im not sure is how a backup works since in windows its not tre same as making a copy of the files
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10:33<madaboutjessie>how is it on linux?
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10:34<madaboutjessie>can i make copy of a disk on another and have the system working from the copy the same as if the original?
10:34<grove>Backups can be many things
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10:35<madaboutjessie>is it a backup on linux the same as a copy of the files??
10:36<grove>As backups can be many things, that question doesn't make sense. It depends on how you make the backup.
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10:36<grove>My backups are basically copies of the files (and a ton of hardlinks)
10:36<blast007>and even on Windows there are many types of backups
10:37<madaboutjessie>windows has the "system restore" magic
10:37<blast007>Windows has many things
10:37<petn-randall>madaboutjessie: That's not really a backup, it's a copy on the same HDD.
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10:37<petn-randall>(it wouldn't be a backup by my definition)
10:37<madaboutjessie>i think no copy c: d: will work a backup on windows
10:38<blast007>madaboutjessie: I'd suggest you do a bit of research on backups....
10:38<madaboutjessie>in theory i only have one hdd at the moment
10:38<madaboutjessie>i did but added not much light on it
10:39<blast007>then try harder
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10:40<madaboutjessie>for what i saw you MUST know what are the relevant files and folders on linux and im still on the way of learning which implies i need a backup
10:40<madaboutjessie>by the time i know all that i will not need a backup that much...}
10:41<petn-randall>madaboutjessie: A backup should be on a separate device that is physically offline during normal operation. So if you burn data on a DVD and store it away, it's a good backup. Just copying it somewhere on the same HDD is a bad backup, since a dead HDD will also kill your backup.
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10:44<madaboutjessie>can you tell me what happens if a make an entire copy of one disk at the file:// level to another and try to boot from that copy?
10:46<madaboutjessie>Its more probably that i mess with the installation than insering i disket drive power plug into the hdd pins petn-randall
10:46<madaboutjessie>it has not to be perfect it just need to work for an unexperienced user
10:47<madaboutjessie>"out of the box"
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10:47<petn-randall>madaboutjessie: There is no "out of the box" about backups, since there are different failure modes you might want to consider when doing them.
10:47<madaboutjessie>i smash the /etc folder more than i smash my hard disks
10:48<petn-randall>madaboutjessie: If you make a file level copy it won't be bootable, since you won't be copying the grub boot loader.
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10:48<madaboutjessie>the failure mode this time is the clasical problem behind the keyboard
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10:49<petn-randall>madaboutjessie: So you make a copy of /etc/ to /root/mybackups. You accidentally wipe the whole disk. Where are your backups then?
10:49<madaboutjessie>i can instal grub again and conffigure it
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10:49<lefreut>hey guys
10:49<madaboutjessie>rm -r /
10:49<lefreut>found the strangest thing on a client machine
10:50<madaboutjessie>even thunar wipes everything whith just a pressing a key!!key
10:50<lefreut>they use a winbind for authentication (pam + nss), the ad server got migrated so the winbindd authentication is broken...since when you try to log as root and type two times a bad password it works
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10:51<lefreut>i'm kind of puzzled of what could cause that
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10:53<madaboutjessie>petn-randall, i dont have the CIA files its not that much, i just want that minimum security, how often is a entire disk wiped out; does that happen without an rm -r, format, or delete partition if it is some bug that linux have just tell me
10:54<petn-randall>madaboutjessie: Ever heard about dying HDDs? They die after a few years of usage.
10:55<madaboutjessie>newer sata hdd may be, i have ides that have YEARS, i also sold ide of only 1gb and still working
10:55*petn-randall shrugs.
10:56<petn-randall>Anecdotal evidence doesn't discredit the fact that even manufacturers define MTBF for their disks.
10:56<madaboutjessie>yes they will die at some point
10:57<madaboutjessie>is evident
10:57<madaboutjessie>i lost a few ones
10:57<madaboutjessie>like three or four in all my life
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10:58<madaboutjessie>really what i need is to save time from reinstalling, not protecting any valious system since theres not so valious but the time inverted on installing
10:59<madaboutjessie>if tyhe disk fails... bad luck i did the try
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11:00<madaboutjessie>so lets i copy / on /bkp and once i fucked the system i restore /bkp on/ ?
11:01<madaboutjessie>then i reinstall grub and pass grub mkconfig? thats all??
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11:03<petn-randall>madaboutjessie: For most things, yes. If you for example have databases like MySQL that are being written to, such a backup would be inconsistent.
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11:04<petn-randall>madaboutjessie: You probably have to fixup /etc/fstab if the filesystem UUIDs changed.
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11:06<petn-randall>madaboutjessie: If you don't care about all those things, just use a backup GUI tool like deja-dup.
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11:11<qirex>what if the chinese guy probably mean Ubuntu Kylin?
11:11<qirex>...
11:14<blast007>madaboutjessie: if this is for end-users, make a custom installer ISO that can be written to a flash drive or CD/DVD and have it set up the system for them
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11:46<likcoras>Hm, update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree fails with "mv: cannot stat ‘unpackchrome/opt/google/chrome/PepperFlash/libpepflashplayer.so’: No such file or directory", what am I missing?
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11:51<itd>likcoras: maybe bug #841373?
11:51<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/841373 in pepperflashplugin-nonfree (closed): «mv: cannot stat 'unpackchrome/opt/google/chrome/PepperFlash/libpepflashplayer.so': No such file or directory»; severity: critical; opened: 2016-10-20; last modified: 2017-01-16.
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11:52<likcoras>Ah, unstable.
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11:56<DeVault>dpkg is stuck at upgrading openssh-server, been at it for a good 20 Minutes now, anyone know what's going on there?
11:56<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, DeVault
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12:02<itd>DeVault: Not with what you told us. (You could start with /msg dpkg bat or reading your log files.)
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12:03<cruncher>DeVault, and what distro are you using?
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12:05<DeVault>Debian Weezy. itd: The log file literally only says " 2017-04-19 12:01:45 configure openssh-server:amd64 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u4 <none>"
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13:11<tepas>hola
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13:37<BrainError404>Hi, in the past I've downloaded the linux kernel from the backports because I had problem with some drivers, now I've downloaded also the linux-headers from the backports and tiried to install the virtualbox-dkms
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13:38<BrainError404>However the virtualbox-dkms won't compile, it prints out this error: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/81b1dc90/
13:38<BrainError404>This is the make output
13:38<towo`>vbox 5.1.8 will never compile against kernel 4.9
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13:38<towo`>install vbox from backports too
13:39<BrainError404>towo: Oh, thanks
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13:40<itd>dpkg tell BrainError404 about localized errors
13:42<localhorst>dpkg tell localhorst about localized errors
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13:42<itd>dpkg tell localhorst about selftell
13:43<localhorst>sorry, I should've known that
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13:44<conn>Hello...
13:44<conn>Anyone here using Parrot?
13:44<itd>localhorst: no worries
13:44<itd>dpkg: parrot os
13:44<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
13:45<itd>conn: ^
13:45<BrainError404> BrainError404: dpkg localized errors
13:45<BrainError404>(19:40:12) dpkg: are you smoking crack?, BrainError404
13:45<BrainError404>._.
13:45<conn>itd : Got it thank you...
13:45<itd>BrainError404: Don't include the
13:45<itd>'dpkg'.
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13:50<BrainError404>How can I export the language to english in a single terminal session?
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13:52<itd>BrainError404: 'export LC_ALL=C' should work.
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13:59<retrospectacus>You do not need to address dpkg when you are already in a private message. Just say localized errors.
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14:42<madaboutjessie>it took me a lot but at last im able to watch color tv from my Debian distro
14:42<madaboutjessie>debian is too badly documented
14:43<madaboutjessie>I had to use an arch linux guide
14:43<blast007>doubt it was a distro specific documentation issue
14:43<blast007>arch does a very nice wiki that tends to be relevate to more than just arch
14:44<madaboutjessie>read the upper no it wasnt
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14:44<madaboutjessie>luckly yes
14:44<blast007>arch is just too well documented :)
14:44<blast007>what was the final solution?
14:45<madaboutjessie>i would be using arch if it not be so difficult (to me) to configure X drivers on arch linux
14:45<madaboutjessie>both distros have pros an cons
14:45<madaboutjessie>arch is well documented whilst debian is easuier to use
14:46<madaboutjessie>also grub should have a more friendly interface
14:47<madaboutjessie>solution was editing grub to add nouveau.tv_mode=NTSC-M to kernel parameters
14:48<madaboutjessie>but there have ben a long while since i last managed to edit a grub an d never got experienced
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14:49<madaboutjessie>As a newbie a think that linux has lots of things for me but lacks a lot of other
14:50<madaboutjessie>theres things that yoyu could wonder as a piece of cake that theyre not
14:51<madaboutjessie>Editing grub, changing modes and making backups should be easier or at least better documented
14:51<madaboutjessie>by the way what is murga.linux ?
14:51<blast007>do you mean tv_norm not tv_mode?
14:52<madaboutjessie>murga.linux.com
14:52<madaboutjessie>i dont remember
14:52<blast007>cuz that is documented on the nouveau page: https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/KernelModuleParameters/
14:52<madaboutjessie>tv_norm , yes
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14:55<madaboutjessie>So well that as a newbie after writting tv_disable on the stdin, trying sudo tv_disable and su root nothing happened
14:55<madaboutjessie>i mean it says nother to were to write all that
14:57<madaboutjessie>Im a experienced user in general and i can manage with some time to solve that, but most of our sisters surely couldnt and also any normal windows user
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14:57<blast007>these aren't "newbie" settings.
14:57<madaboutjessie>*nothing
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14:57<madaboutjessie>thats the paradox because are basic things
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14:58<madaboutjessie>more4 soon than late you will have to deal with one of those
14:58<blast007>modern hardware don't generally have S-Video outputs
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14:58<madaboutjessie>you mean that if id have dvi ourput i wouldnt have to do kernel modsetting?
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14:59<blast007>you wouldn't have to change a kernel paramater to control PAL vs NTSC TV output
14:59<madaboutjessie>i mean i would have propper norm on tv out of the box?
15:00<blast007>you wouldn't have TV output
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15:01<madaboutjessie>so tv mode is not properly detected because of svideo? how is that that i woulnt have tv output? then better that i haver svideo and not dvi!
15:01<blast007>modern cards are going to have mostly digital outputs, with maybe a single analog VGA or a mixed DVI-I
15:01<madaboutjessie>that at least i have tv output
15:01<madaboutjessie>i dont understand
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15:02<madaboutjessie>since dvi is not analog?
15:02<madaboutjessie>it is not isnt it?
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15:07<madaboutjessie>i miss alt+ascii compositing while on x so much, copying and pasting a single character is humiliating
15:07<madaboutjessie>"Ñ"
15:08<madaboutjessie>alt+165
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15:17<cruncher>madaboutjessie, you can use unicode codes
15:17<blast007>madaboutjessie: DVI-I can support both analog and digital. DVI-D is digital only. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface#Connector
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15:25<madaboutjessie>then id also have to deal with tv norm
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15:26<madaboutjessie>cruncher, i dont like unicode
15:26<madaboutjessie>neither i know how to use it
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15:26<madaboutjessie>nor even its codes
15:26<cruncher>then how do you know you dont like it?
15:27<cruncher>anyway, dont answer to that
15:27<blast007>madaboutjessie: no, it won't, because it's not a TV/HDTV output
15:27<madaboutjessie>because i lied i know how to use it
15:27<blast007>the tv_norm stuff is going to apply to S-Video or component outputs (and maybe composite)
15:27<madaboutjessie>or i have an idea at least
15:27<madaboutjessie>ctrl+u?
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15:29<madaboutjessie>blast are there modulators whith dvi inputs? how do you set a closed circuit with dvi?
15:29<blast007>no idea what that means
15:30<madaboutjessie>blast007, you dont have to know that
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15:31<madaboutjessie>a modulator is a device that converts a raw video signal into an uhf channel
15:31<madaboutjessie>i wonder how to do that with dvi
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15:32<blast007>still talking about output to an alalog TV set?
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15:32<blast007>analog*
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15:32<madaboutjessie>not that all im comparing
15:33<madaboutjessie>i use analog because im used to and i have older tvs
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15:33<madaboutjessie>also i already have an analog circuit installed
15:34<Pavr>did you get it to work. i remember you from this morning.
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15:34<madaboutjessie>how is it done digital video distribution nowadays?
15:35<madaboutjessie>yes luckly i achived that
15:35<madaboutjessie>i had to ad a kernel parameter to grub
15:35<blast007>distribution in what sense? to a series of displays in a location? or you talking about distributing content over the internet?
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15:35<madaboutjessie>nouveau.tv_mode=NTSC-M
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15:36<blast007>(in either case, it's probably no longer on topic for the channel, reall)
15:36<blast007>really*
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15:36<madaboutjessie>the first one blast007
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15:36<madaboutjessie>you are right its not a topic
15:36<blast007>probably stuff like HDBaseT and various splitters
15:36<madaboutjessie>for now im done
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15:38<madaboutjessie>rj45 is the new rca
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15:41<Guest737>Welcome to #debian, what's your problem?
15:41<Guest737>May I help you?
15:42<grove>Who are you talking to?
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15:43<Guest737>Hee grove!
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15:44<Guest737>My kinux doesn't work properly )-:
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15:51<grove>So he joins, ask if he can help, and leaves quickly after saying he has a problem himself? That makes sense, or something...
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16:00<wongon>hey guys, I'm playing around with apache2 on my local debian box. in the conf file, I see: ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/error.log, but how do I find out which directory that file is at?
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16:01<Pavr>I don't know where apache defines that but my best guess is that your logs is in /var/log/apache or var/log/apache2
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16:02<Pavr>it's defined in /etc/apache2/envvars
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16:30<wongon>ok, thanks. Another question, in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/other.com.conf I have it's document root to be /var/www/other.com, and there is an index.html file in that dir. I also have made a '127.0.0.1 other.com' entry in the /etc/hosts file. I'm expecting that when I hit 'other.com' on my browser, that it will show the contents of /var/www/other.com/index.html, but it is showing the contents of /var/www/html/index.html instead. I'v
16:30<wongon>a2ensite and verified that it created the symlink /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/other.com.conf -> /etc/apache2/sites/available/other.com.conf, and I've restarted apache2. Is there something I'm missing?
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16:33<wongon>oh, I see a: avahi_entry_group_add_service_strlst("other") failed: Invalid host name in the error log during the restart... Not sure how to resolve
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17:17<itd>wongon: In case you need some reading material: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-handbook/sect.http-web-server.en.html
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17:39<tony>can someone tell wich file i need to edit to get rid of the prompt that asks for a cdrom
17:39<tony>when installing something
17:39<localhorst>/etc/apt/sources.list
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17:40<wongon>thanks, will look
17:40<localhorst>If it's not there it may be in a file inside of /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
17:40<tony>thanks local
17:41<tony>k
17:41<tony>ill check both. thank
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17:41<ppple>anyone?
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17:41<ppple>Hi tony-
17:42<blast007>ppple: do you need help with Debian Linux?
17:42<ppple>:p
17:42<ppple>do you know how to debootstrap blast?
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17:43<tony->deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8.7.1 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 lxde-CD Binary-1 20170116-10:59]/ jessie main
17:43<tony->is that the line i need to comment out?
17:44<blast007>yes
17:44<tony->thanks
17:44<blast007>and then after you do that and save, run 'apt-get update' so it removes that from the database
17:45<tony->cool. thanks
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17:59<jcrowgey>i'm having input method issues with ibus and gnome, any experts here? anyone know of an active channel i should use to ask about ibus and gnome?
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19:53<alkali>Hey. Is this a good place to ask about the use of Debian?
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19:54<alkali>Never mind, I found #help
19:55<alkali>Waiting to see if someone answers there :P
19:55<gry>here is a better place. what is the problem?
19:55<alkali>Cool! :)
19:55<alkali>I think I have a rather simple question:
19:55<gry>the #help guys can help with technical problems but they are general, not debian focused
19:55<gry>yes
19:56<alkali>What is the best way to format a new internal drive in a debian system?
19:56<alkali>I know I can boot the install DVD, but I am wary of doing anything that may unintentionally corrupt my existing system
19:57<alkali>I'm confused as to what the debian installer uses too. I read "parted", but "partman" is the recommended partitioner in the Debian wiki
19:58<alkali>neither seems to be accessible through the path on the command line, or through desktop manager menus
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20:00<alkali>I should probably say partition/format
20:00<LordRyan>i know this isn't really debian-specific, but does anyone know how to not make dpkg error when installing resolvconf when using docker? /etc/resolv.conf is marked readonly by docker.
20:01<blast007>tried not installing resolvconf?
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20:02<LordRyan>I guess that would work.
20:02<LordRyan>I'm trying to see if that's an option.
20:03<agaida>https://docs.docker.com/engine/userguide/networking/configure-dns/
20:04<LordRyan>agaida: i'm in a situation where i'm using docker to test a deployment of something, that also works on qemu, bare machine, etc.
20:04<LordRyan>so i can't have docker-specific config.
20:04<LordRyan>the build system doesn't allow configuring docker anyways, because of that reason.
20:04<LordRyan>but I might just remove resolvconf.
20:04<agaida>then it might be that docker isn't the right tool
20:04<LordRyan>honestly i'd rather use qemu
20:05<LordRyan>but docker is faster and produces the same result.
20:05<LordRyan>well, the same up until then.
20:05<agaida>yeah - but with the limitation that some files are under control of docker
20:06<LordRyan>one, as far as i am aware, that affects anything.
20:06<LordRyan>but i'm gonna just remove it for my testing. so \o
20:06<agaida>nah - only name resolving
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20:07<LordRyan>it should be installed already on barebones machines and isn't needed on docker, so i should be fine with removing it.
20:08<alkali>Nobody knows about partitioning?
20:08<agaida>i never used resolvconf - so i can't say anything about
20:08<sney>alkali: the "use the whole disk" option suggested by the debian installer is appropriate for the vast majority of installs
20:08<sney>alkali: although, are you asking about sharing the disk with another OS?
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20:09<alkali>sney: I've fumbled a lot with the installer. I used the expert text mode install, so if I can get into the partitioner the way I did during the install, I'm good.
20:09<alkali>shey: My question is rather what is the best way to get into the same partitioner.
20:10<sney>sorry, I just re-read your question. you have a debian system already, and you're adding a hard drive?
20:10<alkali>shey: Would booting the install DVD be a good idea, if i want to keep my main disk just the way it is?
20:10<alkali>shey: Yup
20:11<alkali>shey: Or should I apt-get parted? partman? and run it on the non-OS drives through the desktop?
20:11<sney>don't bother with the installer in that case. parted will do the job, or fdisk if it's under 4TB and you don't care about GPT
20:12<alkali>I'm confused about that... The Debian Wiki says to use partman. But I read about parted all the time
20:12<sney>there's even a gparted if you prefer to point and click. not installed by default so you will need to grab it with apt-get
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20:12<alkali>which did I use during expert text mode install?
20:12<sney>partman is the partition manager in the debian installer, I've never seen it used outside of that
20:13<alkali>I can't seem to find it in the apt repository either
20:13<sney>yes, it's only an installer component, not a standalone program
20:13<alkali>I see
20:13<sney>better to learn and use parted
20:14<gry>not sure why not install gparted and use its wonderful gui buttons to do everything; took like 2 mins for me to format a usb drive the other day
20:14<alkali>How careful should I be while learning to use it? Will it give proper warnings before writing any changes to disk for example?
20:14<gry>there is also kpart for kde users
20:14<gry>yes it will give you warnings. you can screenshot them and ask us to confirm
20:14<alkali>Ok, cool :)
20:15<sney>yes, and assuming your new disk is a different size from your old disk it should be fairly clear which one you are editing
20:15<alkali>Yes, I believe it will be
20:15<alkali>gparted is a gnome frontend for parted?
20:15<alkali>Or gtk?
20:15<sney>gtk
20:16<alkali>I see
20:16<alkali>And it has the same functionality?
20:16<sney>yes, it uses the same library
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20:16<alkali>Cool :)
20:17<alkali>I tried starting parted now, from a command line.
20:17<alkali>I see it is part of GNU
20:17<gry>from commandline it is more challenging than gparted
20:17<gry>but you would be able to get help with both here
20:17<alkali>Excellent! :)
20:18<alkali>Then I have the answers to my questions
20:18<alkali>Thanks for all the help!
20:18<alkali>take care :)
20:18<gry>ok. good luck
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20:22<alkali>The gparted I find with apt is called "GNOME partition editor", not GTK. But it's still the right one, right?
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20:25<gry>yes
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20:56<alkali>Cool :)
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20:58<LordRyan>alright so dumb question
20:58<LordRyan>what is the purpose of resolvconf
20:59<somiaj>LordRyan: it lists the nameservers your machine uses to turn a domain name into an ip address
20:59<LordRyan>and it's essential, isn't it?
21:00<LordRyan>non-replacable?
21:00<gry>well you could compile a kernel without ulimit and it probably wouldn't fall over. but you would have to do it by hand, i don't think you can remove it using the debian package manager or config settings
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21:00<gry>probably configuring umlimited ulimits would be the easiest
21:01<somiaj>It is a config file, if should be tehre, but if it isn't, you can just create it. System can run without it, it just can't resolve domain names (unless they are in /etc/hosts)
21:01<somiaj>LordRyan: ^^
21:01<gry>wait that was a wrong channel, ignore what i said
21:01<LordRyan>somiaj: but the package `resolvconf` - is that just config?
21:01<LordRyan>gry: can do :P
21:02<somiaj>LordRyan: oh sorry, I missunder stood you. I thought you meant /etc/resolv.conf the file...
21:02<LordRyan>no, i mean the package. :P
21:02<LordRyan>i'm having issues where the package tries to overwrite the file, I think?
21:03<LordRyan> docker: ln: cannot remove '/etc/resolv.conf': Device or resource busy
21:03<somiaj>LordRyan: resolvconf and openresolv are packages that manage that file. Various programs will try to manage/write to resolv.conf, and that package can be used to control this behavior.
21:03<LordRyan>that's from running `apt` in docker.
21:04<somiaj>LordRyan: that sounds like an issue with the filesystem /etc on the system.
21:04<somiaj>LordRyan: i'm unsure how docker works, but try to say 'touch /etc/testfile' and then rm that file, see if you get similar errors.
21:05<somiaj>LordRyan: but that is how resolvconf works, it makes /etc/resolv.conf a link and then controls the file it links too.
21:07<blast007>LordRyan: resolvconf reads the various dns-* options in /etc/network/interfaces and writes out an /etc/resolv.conf file. If docker takes care of /etc/resolv.conf then you don't need resolvconf.
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22:01<LordRyan>somiaj: the specific file is RO
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22:03<LordRyan>somiaj: but if I control the file myself then I don't need the package?
22:03<somiaj>the package is not needed
22:04<somiaj>it is there to offer a way to control it in some cases.
22:04<LordRyan>Cool!
22:04<LordRyan>Thx.
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