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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-04-22

---Logopened Sat Apr 22 00:00:19 2017
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03:39<samantha->i'm trying to mirror a small private debian repo because the online version is broken such that apt-get rejects it. is there a howto on how to do this with nothing but tools like wget? when i do a wget mirror, it follows the "Parent Directory" link on the repo and i wind up grabbing the entire site, which is enormous and stupid.
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09:30<FLD>are debian build directories supposed to be reusable? is there some command that gets them in clean state after building?
09:30<FLD>because "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us" is failing with 63 x "dpkg-source: error: unwanted binary file:"
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09:42<bremner>that sounds like a bug in the package
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09:42<bremner>##packaging (personal) or #debian-mentors (for debian) might be more help fixing it.
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09:45<FLD>bremner: the clean-hook is supposed to return the build dir back to a state where it can be re-built?
09:45<bremner>well, technically it's not called a hook, but yes
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09:47<FLD>ah, well there were multiple things preventing a rebuild in this case (llvm-toolchain-4.0), so i just opted to start from a fresh copy
09:48<FLD>sadly it's a really long and debilitating build and a desktop :(
09:48<FLD>on a desktop*
09:49<FLD>a good excuse to get up for some exercise while its building :)
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10:04<jarbas>Olá?
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11:29<PS>?
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11:30<bremner>!ask
11:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:46<Mrfai>I wonder why fai 5.3.6~bpo8+1 is not in jessie-backports.
11:46<Mrfai>I got this mail on apr, 20th
11:46<Mrfai>ai_5.3.6~bpo8+1_amd64.changes ACCEPTED into jessie-backports->backports-policy
11:46<Mrfai>fai_5.3.6~bpo8+1_amd64.changes ACCEPTED into jessie-backports->backports-policy
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11:48<Mrfai>but this version is not listed in the package tracker
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11:53<penguin>thank you :)
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11:55<padski>dpkg thanks
11:55<dpkg>padski: de nada
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12:46<uramhoaH>i installed debian9 and now i'm trying to jump on the "testing" train.. reading a wiki page which says i should edit my sources.list
12:46<uramhoaH>but it's not very clear to me what exactly i should have there
12:46<petn-randall>uramhoaH: If you're running debian 9 you're already on testing ... in that case, thanks for beta-testing our pre-release software! :)
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12:47<uramhoaH>uh
12:47<uramhoaH>i actually installed debian "stable"
12:48<sney>8!
12:48<sney>dpkg: stable->testing
12:48<dpkg>Remember that Debian 9 "Stretch" is still pre-release and that security support will not always be timely. Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <stretch release notes> http://deb.li/ipf4z . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch". apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade.
12:49<uramhoaH>hm
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12:49<sney>if you have questions about a specific step, please feel free to ask. but also know that as a testing user you are expected to know some basics.
12:51<uramhoaH>okay, ignore the numbers i mentioned, i installed this: debian-stretch-DI-rc3-amd64-DVD-1.iso
12:51<sney>ok, you're already on testing.
12:51<uramhoaH>and so far i've only opened synaptic once and disabled the "cdrom" source thing, and now i opened sources.list and i see "stretch"
12:52<uramhoaH>but from the wiki i had the impression that i need to change "stretch" to "testing"
12:52<sney>nah, don't do that
12:52<sney>that is unless you want some pretty violent surprises about ~1 month after debian 9 releases
12:53<uramhoaH>ideally, i don't want surprises
12:53<uramhoaH>tbh i asked a person what linux to try, and he recommended me debian "testing"
12:54<sney>at that time, the 'testing' branch will be unfrozen and accept packages from sid, and start being developed into debian 10. right now, the testing branch is close to release so it's very usable. but it's pretty rough at the beginning
12:54<uramhoaH>but he's a h4x0r and probably assumes that i am equally capable as him
12:54<sney>haha
12:54<sney>well, right now is the best time to use testing, so have fun.
12:54<uramhoaH>okay, so i keep the sources.list the way it is then
12:55<sney>yes
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12:58<uramhoaH>one question about debian.. what is in charge of the mouse? i use LXDE on ubuntu14 and on debian, and the mouse and keyboard settings in debian seem to not apply at all
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12:59<grove>And if you have question about testing they technically still belong in #debian-next
12:59<sney>^
12:59<uramhoaH>oh, sorry, i thought i was there x_x
12:59<sney>desktop environment settings dialogs should work. if they don't, that's a bug.
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13:00<uramhoaH>the dialog itself "works" .. but i think there is something else that overrides it (since i also installed a few other desktops, mate, cinnamon..)
13:01<sney>let's take this to -next
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13:08<casawi>caio
13:08<casawi>come cambiare lingua si debian9
13:08<sney>!it
13:08<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
13:09<casawi>dpkg debian it dormoni
13:09<dpkg>casawi: I don't know, could you explain it?
13:09<sney>parla inglese?
13:10<casawi>ow to change the language debian9
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13:10<sney>https://wiki.debian.org/ChangeLanguage
13:11<bremner>also, #debian-next, probably
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13:17<casawi>sney thanax
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13:28<casawi>sney ?
13:29<casawi>How to install wireless drivers
13:29<sney>http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
13:30<sney>you probably just need firmware
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13:31<casawi>-bash: aptitude: comando non trovato
13:31<casawi>problem bash
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13:32<sney>apt-get install aptitude
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13:32<casawi>dpakg
13:32<casawi>yes
13:32<sney>https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.it.pdf basics
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13:34<casawi>dpkg --get-
13:34<dpkg>casawi: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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13:36<Battaglin>whens "stretch" out as stable?
13:36<Battaglin>..and hi :-)
13:36<mtn>Battaglin: 2017
13:37<Battaglin>no eta month?
13:37<mtn>Battaglin: no
13:37<Battaglin>roger thnx
13:38<txtd>Watch the release-critical bug list graph. Watch the trend line, predict the zero-crossing point, and the date will be near there.
13:40<casawi>sney please How to install this pizza
13:40<casawi>https://wiki.debian.org/HowToIdentifyADevice/CPU
13:40<casawi>Look at the link
13:41<casawi>Gnomes's System Information (Hardinfo in Menu Applications/System Tools, from package:hardinfo) has an information page on the processor.
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13:42<txtd>Battaglin: https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/, https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/graph-month.png, green line
13:43<Battaglin>so all release critical comes to 0
13:43<Battaglin>its out...
13:44<txtd>In theory you would hope so. But "In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is."
13:46<txtd>So, probably more like "near enough to zero, let's stop polishing this turd and ship :-)"
13:46<Battaglin>what I meant was, could it be released even if not all-critical issues are resolved
13:46<annadane>no
13:46<annadane>it's why stable is stable
13:46<Battaglin>good :-)
13:46<sney>casawi: what?
13:47<casawi>se
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13:49<sney>casawi: vai su #debian-it e attesa, non capisco voi
13:49<casawi>ok
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13:54<nmmachado>Is http://linux-drivers.net safe/
13:54<nmmachado>Is http://linux-drivers.net safe?
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13:55<annadane>you should be installing things from your repository and not random internet sites, nmmachado
13:55<nmmachado>but dont have driver for my Monitor
13:57<nmmachado>I have Samsung Monitor Model: S19A300B
13:58<bremner>mostly, monitors don't need drivers
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13:58<bremner>nmmachado: perhaps you can begin at the beginning and tells what makes you think you need a driver for your monitor
13:59<annadane>hmm, why is page up and home on my keyboard not working in the terminal?
13:59<annadane>this is KDE'S konsole
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14:00<annadane>oh i may need to just configure shortcuts
14:00<nmmachado>yes, I tell to make driver for linux.
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14:00<nmmachado>I call to Samsung
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14:01<annadane>there's apparently no setting for it
14:01<annadane>also, nmmachado, you need to be more specific
14:03<annadane>page down gives me the tilde key, what the heck did i do to the terminal?
14:04<nmmachado>What the command to start automatic configure?
14:04<annadane>i'm sure i can figure this out myself, never mind
14:04<annadane>nmmachado, saying you called samsung doesn't mean you need a driver
14:05<annadane>is your monitor currently working?
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14:05<sney>annadane: maybe $term is something weird
14:06<nmmachado>work but only 640x480
14:06<nmmachado>resolution
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14:06<sney>gpu, not monitor. probably need firmware
14:07<annadane>can you paste the output of "dmesg | grep firmware" to paste.debian.net and link it here?
14:08<nmmachado>I copy and paste the command and nothing.
14:08<annadane>without the quotation marks
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14:10<annadane>sney, trying to find the location of $term so i can edit it, any ideas?
14:10<sney>it's probably set in .profile or .bashrc or one of those. it might be $TERM
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14:14<nmmachado>What the command is automatic configure?
14:14<annadane>nmmachado, i asked you to give us the output of dmesg | grep firmware
14:14<nmmachado>Dont have nothing
14:14<nmmachado>I try again.
14:14<annadane>i don't think there is a command for automatic config
14:15<sney>I think the right question is "what gpu?"
14:15<nmmachado>nothing, don't have output
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14:19<sney>nmmachado: what gpu is it, do you know?
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14:22<annadane>if you don't know, try lspci -vnn | grep VGA -A 12
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14:23<annadane>the interesting thing is that page up/down work on man pages but in the regular terminal they don't work
14:24<annadane>i haven't been able to diagnose $term yet, though i found some entries
14:24<nmmachado>NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 7025
14:24<nmmachado>Is it correct/
14:24<nmmachado>?
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14:25<sney>old enough that nouveau should support it, hrm
14:25<annadane>i think i might have found a solution to my problem, anyway
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14:28<sney>the nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver package supports it officially, though
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14:28<nmmachado>but my monitor dont work correct is Samsung
14:28<sney>it's not the damn monitor
14:29<sney>monitors don't use drivers
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14:29<sney>even in windows, the most "driver" you get for a monitor is a color utility
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14:29<sney>if your computer is showing the wrong resolution, the problem is the gpu.
14:29<annadane>i was going to say
14:29<annadane>https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Drivers
14:29<nmmachado>How I configure my screen to 1024x768 in the gnome dont work.
14:30<annadane>seems 340.125 and 340.65 support it
14:30<sney>enable non-free and 'apt install nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver'
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14:30<nmmachado>ok fix.
14:30<sney>hmm, the support list on nvidia.com didn't include the 7025 when I just checked
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14:31<nmmachado>How configure I my resolution to 1024x768?
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14:31<annadane>we're trying to determine what to install, nmmachado
14:32<sney>once you install the driver, your resolution will auto-detect. if you want to change it after that, the gnome desktop tools will work
14:32<nmmachado>How do I configure my resolution to 1024x768?
14:32<annadane>please don't spam questions
14:32<nmmachado>ok
14:32<nmmachado>detect only 640x480
14:33<annadane>we know, you told us
14:33<sney>annadane: http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverresults.aspx/77224/en-us vs http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/51453, the older one definitely has it but the newer one doesn't have it listed
14:33<nmmachado>tks at the moment.
14:33<sney>nmmachado: enable non-free and 'apt install nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver'
14:34<nmmachado>ok
14:34<sney>do you know how to enable non-free?
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14:34<nmmachado>no
14:34<sney>!non-free sources
14:34<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
14:35<annadane>so basically just add non-free to every line that exists
14:35<annadane>alongside "main"
14:36<annadane>(which you'll need to do as root)
14:36<sney>is any of the nvidia stuff contrib? I would include that one too, to be safe
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14:36<annadane>^
14:37<annadane>actually, it may not be every line, sorry
14:37<sney>yeah, nvidia-installer-cleanup is in contrib and iirc that's a dependency
14:37<sney>won't break anything by putting it on all of them
14:37<annadane>^
14:38<annadane>nmmachado, if you go to https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList and scroll down to "example sources list" you'll see what we mean
14:39<annadane>specifically the "If you also want the contrib and non-free components, add contrib non-free after main"
14:39<annadane>so log in to root, type editor /etc/apt/sources.list and add those, then type aptitude update and then apt install nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver
14:40<nmmachado>I run the command this driver is installed.
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14:40<annadane>okay. if you still can't get the resolution you want it may require a restart (not certain)
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14:41<nmmachado>Message: ok I restart now, see you later.
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14:41<annadane>i said "if" it's not working
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14:42<annadane>but whatever
14:42<annadane>now to fix my terminal woes :D
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14:48<nmmachado>Work only with 640x480
14:49<nmmachado>How do I configure 1024x768?
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14:54<annadane>nmmachado, first of all let's check that you installed the package properly. what's the output of dpkg -l | grep nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver ?
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14:59<nmmachado>ii nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver 304.134-0~deb8u1 amd64 NVIDIA metapackage (304xx legacy version)
15:00<nmmachado>Ok?
15:00<annadane>yeah, it's there
15:00<annadane>just making sure
15:02<annadane>sney, any ideas?
15:03<annadane>i'm wondering if an xorg config file needs to be made, per https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Installation
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15:04<annadane>or following the more specific steps like aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver
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15:13<annadane>what i would generally suggest is following the detailed list of instructions rather than just installing that one package but i'm not sure
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15:51<SantaFe>i am trying to set my default sound profile to analog output with pavucontrol but every time the machine power cycles it returns back to hdmi output. does anyone know a solution for this?
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16:17<nmmachado>Hi I fix but dont work 1366x768 resolution.
16:23<spacebug^>SantaFe: which DE are you using?
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16:26<SantaFe>debian jessie
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16:27<spacebug^>SantaFe: SantaFe with gnome?
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16:27<SantaFe>spacebug^: yes gnome 3.14.1
16:27<spacebug^>SantaFe: them you should just use the sound settings in system
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16:32<SantaFe>spacebug^: same issue, when the sound profile always reverts back to hdmi
16:32<SantaFe>is there a way to make the change permanent?
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16:35<spacebug^>SantaFe: it should be. Hum.. I would search internet for "pacmd" , a cli program to change PA stuff
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16:36<spacebug^>SantaFe: like https://askubuntu.com/questions/14077/how-can-i-change-the-default-audio-device-from-command-line/14083#
16:39<SantaFe>spacebug^: thanks
16:40<spacebug^>SantaFe: you could also try #pulseaudio on Freenode (another IRC network)
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19:58<mihalski_>I just installed debian on a Mac mini.. I modified the apt sources list in an effort to get non-free firmware and now it's telling me that I have duplicate entries but for the life of me I cannot see them.. is there anyone who could help me understand the problem? I have nothing in the apt sources.d directory
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20:02<mihalski_>wow.. this channel has become VERY quiet since the last time I was here many years ago
20:02<yulax>mihalski_: rude
20:02<mihalski_>how is that rude?
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20:02<yulax>post sources lidt to paste.debian.net pls
20:03<Tjis>mihalski_: check under /etc/apt/sources.list.d
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20:03<yulax>it's rude because you waited 4 minutes to complain nobody was here. people are not on irc all the time
20:04<mihalski_>that wasn't a complaint
20:04<mihalski_>it was a statement of fact
20:04<mihalski_>when I used to come here the channel was always streaming at hast one message every few seconds
20:04<mihalski_>24/7
20:04<mihalski_>http://paste.debian.net/928910/
20:04<mihalski_>nothing sources.list.d
20:05<mihalski_>I was following this as an example
20:05<mihalski_>https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list
20:05<Tjis>mihalski_: you got duplicates
20:05<mihalski_>so then those 2 code blocks are NOT supposed to be used at once and are seperate?
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20:05<mihalski_>ok.. I get it..
20:05<Tjis>just use the bottom part
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20:06<mihalski_>so drop the first source
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20:06<yulax>you have jessie several times.
20:06<Tjis>drop everything before line 10
20:06<Tjis>and it should be fine
20:06<mihalski_>what's the difference between deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie-updates main and deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main ?
20:07<Tjis>security gets its changes faster
20:07<yulax>you might also want to consider some of the apt transports such as apt-transport-tor and apt-transport-https fwiw too
20:07<mihalski_>so it's just a propagation thing?
20:07<yulax>security is rlly important
20:07<yulax>yes, propagation
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20:07<Tjis>the normal repositories don't allow immediate upload of an updated package iirc
20:07<mihalski_>it's also even more dependant on when you run apt-get update I guess :P
20:08<yulax>not all mirrors are equal and security is pretty critical
20:08<Tjis>it has to go through some staging first
20:08<user>weuw
20:08<mihalski_>thanks.. I was trying to remember th name of the package.. apt-transport-https is it
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20:08<yulax>you can also do automatic updated and upgrades
20:08<Tjis>what is the point of apt over https?
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20:08<mihalski_>I would be interested in automatic upgrades limited to the security repository
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20:09<yulax>unattended upgrades might be what you are looking for
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20:09<mihalski_>yes.. is that a thing you can limit to just security updates?
20:09<yulax>yed
20:09<yulax>yes
20:10<mihalski_>because I may not want my 3rd party database repository to automatically upgrade :P
20:10<mihalski_>cool.. I'll google it
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20:14<mihalski_>hmm.. when I was originally installing the installer prompted me for Broadcom-bc43xx drivers..so I've just installed firmware-b43-installer.. I don't expect anyone here to know.. but just in case you do.. is that all that is necessary to install to get wifi working? I had no idea how/where to get the driver during the install so I don't know if it goes on to
20:14<mihalski_>install other stuff as a result
20:15<mihalski_>might need to do a reboot to see if it makes a difference
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20:21<hubot_>Hi!
20:22<hubot_>How can I contribute to Debian?
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20:29<ryouma>fix bugs etc. i think there's a page for ideas for stuff you can do on the debian wiki.
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20:32<pedron>hola?
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20:43<mihalski_>thanks all for your help with the apt sources list
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20:47<awal1>hubot_, https://www.debian.org/intro/help
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20:50<mihalski_>ugh.. just had a bit of a scripting fail.. I don't seem to have /etc/lsb-release
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20:52<mihalski_>there's a package that lets you search for which package a file belongs to even if you don't have it installed.. does anyone remember that that is?
20:53<Reset1985>hi
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20:53<awal1>mihalski_, are you talking about apt-file?
20:53<mihalski_>I might be! I was remembering it as apt-find
20:54<mihalski_>thanks!
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20:56<mihalski_>I would NEVER have guessed this
20:56<mihalski_>debian-edu-config: /etc/lsb-release
20:57<mihalski_>but why do I need to install all that stuff just to have the /etc/lsb-release file?
20:57<mihalski_>or is apt-file just giving me the first match?
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21:01<mihalski_>apparently it should also be in base-files which I have installed
21:01<mihalski_>but it's not
21:01<mihalski_>is this a bug?
21:01<hubot_>I have to go
21:01<hubot_>Good night
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21:02<mihalski_>I think it must be a bug.. trust me to install at a time when this is an issue :/
21:03<mihalski_>"why is /etc/lsb_release missing on debian" is a common google search term it seems
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21:04<mihalski_>unfortunately it breaks a bunch of scripts/instructions for how to do things
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21:06<mihalski_>just installed lsb-release but that seems to have nothing to do with the file
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21:10<mihalski_>I guess the hallmark of linux is still unexpected difficulties :/ at least I don't have to recompile the kernel every few days now :P
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22:01<fingal>hey all, I have a quick question about how to edit the Pulse Audio Sound files...
22:01<fingal>Is this the right area to post in?
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22:04<awal1>!ask
22:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
22:04<awal1>fingal ^
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22:08<mihalski_>anyone know how I can install/generate the /etc/lsb-release file for the current Debian release?
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22:17<jmcknight>mihalski_: do you need this file in particular?
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22:24<mihalski_>I come across many scripts of the type
22:24<mihalski_>echo "deb https://repos.influxdata.com/${DISTRIB_ID,,} ${DISTRIB_CODENAME} stable" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/influxdb.list
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22:25<mihalski_>they are preceded by
22:25<mihalski_>source /etc/lsb-release
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22:26<mihalski_>so I don't know for sure.. but I know it failed without it
22:27<jmcknight>mihalski_: what i know about lsb_release (the command) is that its output is generated on the fly
22:27<jmcknight>i think the actual script is /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/lsb_release.py
22:28<mihalski_>so what happened to the file? many install instructions seem to depend on it
22:28<mihalski_>and what does it even look like?
22:28<jmcknight>i don't think it's generated or needed since most people use the command
22:28<jmcknight>but if you need to create one for the sake of appeasing a script, check this
22:28<jmcknight>https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1459929
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22:32<mihalski_>that looks good.. but it's missing a debian one.. I've been googling but haven't been able to find one
22:33<mihalski_>seems people have been having this problem for years
22:33<mihalski_>https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/180776/how-to-get-debian-codename-without-lsb-release
22:33<mihalski_>plus everybody's apt-sources instructions just assume you have it :/
22:34<jmcknight>just cook up your own based on the formatting in that forum thread and match it to the debian version you're using
22:35<mihalski_>just need to make sure it actually generates the correct sources.list files
22:36<mihalski_>perhaps there's another package that contains DISTRIB_CODENAME..
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22:36<mihalski_>which I assume would be jessie
22:37<jmcknight>install lsb-release then run lsb_release -a
22:38<jmcknight>or cat /etc/issue
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22:42<mihalski_>just tried it on a raspbian system with lsb_release installed and the output it gives would match that script either.. what's with the ${DISTRIB_CODENAME} ?? is it some sort of leftover from the past?
22:43<mihalski_>wouldn't match rather
22:44<jmcknight>code name is release name
22:44<jmcknight>jessie, stretch, etc.
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22:52<mihalski_>are there environmental variables installed by default that contain that? /etc/debian_version has the number, /etc/ios-release bashes it in with the version
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23:00<mihalski_>gah.. 21mb just to install usb-release
23:03<jmcknight>it's generated on the fly via the lsb_release command which is a python script that reads a bunch of system info
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23:14<mihalski_>yeah but the systems I might need to install it on download at 12kb/s
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