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00:16<schoppenhauer2>hi. so I was wondering: what is the current state of debian/kfreebsd?
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01:11<petrol>G'day all, was hoping someone had some time to give me a hand with my debian install. I'm running Debian 9, on a Toshiba Satellite A300 Pro. I'm having trouble installing the fglrx drivers, due to unmet dependencies. There's also a second issue, that during boot it gets stuck for over a minute on "A start job is running for netscript network interfaces and iptables"
01:11<petrol>I know it would normally be better to wipe and re-install, but I've got some vendor software on here that's an absolute pain to install, and I'd prefer to not have to wipe and try to get that installed again
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01:15<petrol>I tried using aptitude, and its first suggested resolution was not installing fglrx (super helpful...!), and the second was uninstalling a tonne of packages, including "linux-image-4.9.0-2" which didn't sound like a good idea....
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01:17<jm_>for help with testing go to #debian-next
01:17<jm_>provide them with this info:
01:17<jm_>!bat
01:17<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
01:18<petrol>whoops, my bad - didn't realize this was the wrong channel. thanks for the point in the right direction
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01:19<jm_>as for second issue, is this the exact message it shows?
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01:21<petrol>yeah, it sure is word for word what it says
01:21<petrol>it stops boot for 1 minute to 1 minute 30
01:22<petrol>I don't know if it's important, but it is just after starting Wicd
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01:23<jm_>ok hard to say what is going on, but if it's about starting /sbin/netscript, that one is a shell script so should be easy to debug, just stick "set -x" as second line in the script (without quotes) and it shall spit out what is going on, might first try to run it after the boot manually - systemctl stop netscript.service followed by start
01:24<petrol>Hmm, i have just been grabbing that apt-cache policy information for the other error, /etc/issue says i'm running Debian GNU/Linux 9, but my sources.list has jessie. i thought 9 was stretch?
01:24<petrol>and no worries, i'll give that a go!
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01:27<petrol>am i still connected, i wonder
01:27<petrol>I did something stupid, i ran that command - not realizing it would drop me off the network
01:27<petrol>at least, wicd said i was disconnected
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01:31<jm_>yeah /etc/issue is probably not updated yet, dpkg -s libc6 will show glibc version and that's usually good enough to indicate which one it is
01:31<jm_>!versions libc6
01:31<jm_>,versions libc6
01:31<judd>Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u11; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u3; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u7; stretch: 2.24-9; sid: 2.24-10
01:31<jm_>compare to the above list
01:32<petrol>oh dear.... maybe i do need to format and reinstall... dpkg-query: error: --status needs a valid package name but 'libc6' is not: ambiguous package name 'libc6' with more than one installed instance
01:32<petrol>that is probably not good....
01:33<jm_>naah just use dpkg -l|grep libc6
01:34<petrol>ahhh it's because of one of those vendor packages which required i386 so i had to enable multiarch
01:34<petrol>yeah, i'm definitely on stretch, 2.24-9
01:34<petrol>should I update sources.list?
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01:35<jm_>no, my recommendation would be to wait for a reply for the fglrx issue in #debian-next, and for the other issue, if you provide the hang output I can take a quick look if you tell where it pauses
01:36<petrol>i'll have to reboot to provide the hang output, i restarted netscript.service but i got no output
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01:38<petrol>it looks like the output went into /var/log/syslog
01:38<jm_>yeah use journalctl -u netscript.service
01:39<petrol>that won't show me where it hung though, would it?
01:39<jm_>nope, but hopefully you will see the output at boot
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01:40<petrol>okay, i'll be back shortly
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01:42<jm_>otherwise it gets trickier
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01:42<petrol>Okay, I'm on my phone now. No output on screen on boot :(
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01:46<jm_>bummer, in that case I would add a new function to the script which prints current time and any arguments it gets then call it in various places to see where the delay is, would be much easier if this hanged after boot too, but I presume it's fast at that point
01:47<petrol>Actually, i just looked at the timestamps of the debug output from the last boot in the syslog, it looks like it all happens within 10 seconds
01:50<jm_>for some that's OK for me it wouldn't be :)
01:50<petrol>It's weird... I couldnt find this issue anywhere on the internet either
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01:51<petrol>Haha for a laptop thats around 8 years old (and wasnt top of the line when it was bought), im not too unhappy
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01:52<Johnny>very good irc network everybody : irc.anonops.com/6697 , how to join anonops irc network: https://newblood.anonops.com , very learnfull and alot help with Linux
01:53<jm_>Johnny: please don't do that here
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01:53<Johnny>sorry just saying
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01:54<jm_>petrol2: looking at the netscript-2.4 package, it's optional so I suspect not many people use it
01:55<petrol2>oh, okay. is it something that's easy to replace...?
01:56<jm_>maybe find out why you have it installed first though - aptitude why netscript-2.4 and then the same for netscript-netfilter, depends which one you have installed
01:59<petrol2>apparently bridgeutils suggests ifupdown, and netscript-2.4 provides ifupdown
02:00<jm_>what happens if you try to install ifupdown instead ?
02:00<jm_>don't proceed, just read what would happen (apt should tell you that)
02:01<petrol2>hah whoops, i didn't read the don't proceed before i hit install
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02:01<petrol2>well it's removing netscript-2.4...!
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02:01<jm_>yeah that was expected since they conflict, I was wondering about other things that would happen
02:02<petrol2>nah, nothing else apparently
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02:02<jm_>ok so maybe one problem is sorted, unless you relied on some netscript functionality
02:02<petrol2>it suggested ppp and rdnssd, but it only installed ifupdown and removed netscript-2.4
02:02<petrol2>oh well, as long as it doesn't break until after i've updated fglrx, i'll be able to live with it until the project that I need this vendor software for is over :P
02:03<petrol2>(as long as it only breaks network....)
02:04<jm_>does radeon driver not work properly for you? why the need for fglrx?
02:04<petrol2>i'm trying to use kicad, but every time i zoom, it takes about 20-30 seconds to re-render what should be simple
02:05<petrol2>according to the kicad bugs list, it's apparently an issue with rendering 2d graphics, and one suggestion was that fglrx had fixed it for someone
02:06<petrol2>https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1003859
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02:42<petrol>jm_: it worked!!!!
02:42<petrol>that boot took ~10s
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02:44<jm_>petrol: that's normal time, I measured mine anywhere from 7.5s up to 8.5s with custom kernel, longer with debian kernel
02:44<petrol>yeah! you're a gentleman and a scholar!
02:45<petrol>It was faster ages ago when I first installed the SSD, but then when i did an upgrade it slowed down to ~2 minutes and i never was able to find a fix
02:45<petrol>ive been putting up with it for ages
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03:49<Pet0r>hi - just wondering if anyone has experience using teql traffic control here? I have a specific scenario I'd like to ask about and it's really hard to find answers for it
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04:03<matt__>hello~ i have an issue installing debian. the installer doesn't recognize my ethernet card, even though it's a supported intel model
04:04<matt__>(it's a I219-LM, which apparently need the driver e1000; but even when i manually select that one from the list, the installer claims i have no ethernet card)
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04:04<matt__>any advice on how to troubleshoot this?
04:05<matt__>if i continue the install without internet, i cannot fix the next problem :)
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04:06<jm_>try using a newer kernel from bpo
04:06<FLD>does the installer have a new enough kernel to support that?
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04:07<matt__>i took the latest image from debian's website, so i (wrongly) assumed so
04:08<matt__>i'll try with a stretch release
04:08<FLD>even the latest image of an old kernel won't change support for new hardware
04:09<Iridos>Pet0r, maybe, mabye not… you might just ask the question anyway… it never hurts to think about a problem in a way that you can formulate a concrete question
04:10<Iridos>matt__, you can use stable and get a kernel from https://backports.debian.org/
04:10<Pet0r>well essentially my ISP does per-packet routing over 2 lines, and I'd like to use teql to do that for the upload (this post seems pertinent - https://serverfault.com/questions/820269/how-to-achieve-per-packet-multipath-routing-on-linux/820458 )
04:10<matt__>i don't get internet access with stable
04:11<Pet0r>but ideally I'd like to pass the connection through the Debian box to my normal router in a way that's as "bridged as possible"
04:11<Pet0r>it's that part I don't know how to do or even *what* I can do as teql may not be bridge-able
04:13<FLD>Pet0r: sounds more like a #networking question
04:13<Pet0r>it is, really, linux + networking
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04:16<Pet0r>I suspect I may not be able to avoid ending up in a double NAT scenario
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04:46<__mike>Hi! I am trying to rebuild php5 following the stable/security updates with different configure flags, but I am struggling to find a repository including everything. I looked at the php/php repository on anonscm but the branches and versions there are not what are distributed for jessie. Next I looked at the php/php5 repository which does indeed have a branch for jessie with the correct version, but missing
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04:46<__mike>the security patches. I then looked at the apache repository, just to be sure I haven't missed anything and there are the branches jessie and jessie-security which correspond to the current distributed versions. Is there anything I can do about PHP or do I have to use the package search and apply patches from the security team myself? Also is there a repository where the security team keeps its patches for
04:46<__mike>every package?
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04:50<petn-randall>__mike: Why are you rebuilding php5?
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04:51<matt__>FLD: thanks for the tip, the install went fine after that
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05:02<peter1138>__mike, apt-get source php5?
05:02<peter1138>(or whatever the package is)
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05:11<__mike>peter1138: Thanks, I know about apt-get source, but wanted to integrate it into another process which does not necessarily run on a debian machine at first, so apt-get source wouldn't be an option there.
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05:19<peter1138>right but apt-get source is how to get the source
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05:21<matt__>is the flashplayer page up to date on debian's wiki?
05:21<matt__>i can't seem to get flash to work
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05:27<__mike>peter1138: Thanks for clarifying that
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05:29<peter1138>i guess developers have another way, maybe find them and ask.
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06:26<c0>hi
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06:27<treaki>hi
06:27<treaki>still nobody an idea about how to fix my nfs problem
06:27<treaki>another thing:
06:28<treaki>i just have on my thinkpad run an live system where i have mounted an ext2 partition i create for data exchange with other systems (bsd, windows 7)
06:29<treaki>before that i used suspend to disk on debian
06:29<c0>your using lenovo thinkpad
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06:29<treaki>normally when i start an live system it will obtain any swap partition to swap its stuff without asking, so the system will not restore after
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06:30<treaki>but it looked like the system just havent used my disk at all on auto
06:31<treaki>so i have done an e2fsck on that exchange partition with reported that the disk is corrupt and then afterwards mounted it to copy some files on, then i unmounted it again and have done a reboot
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06:31<treaki>now back in the from disk restored debian it is still mounted
06:32<treaki>and i can even see the files created. how is that possible?
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06:32<treaki>dose ext2 support simultainulsy access by multiple systems at once?
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06:33<c0>hi_an
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06:51<Iridos>well, isn't that (roughly) obvious? The system you restore still thinks it's mounted… so what can the system do if there's an inconsistency
06:52<Iridos>but seriously… don't do that… that sounds like a really really good way to get a filesystem corruption that will be hard to recover from
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06:53<Iridos>it's like you just write to the disk from outside the linux system during operation
06:56<Iridos>and as to nfs… there's more complete guides around how to set one up than the wiki… you should try showmount -e localhost on the system where you set up nfs and portmapper
06:56<Iridos>and then you should run showmount -e myserver from the machine where you want to mount the dir from myserver
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06:57<Iridos>also, rpcinfo -p
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06:59<treaki>thanks for the info Iridos so far, the porblem is that the portmap package (or what it was named) dosent exist anymore
06:59<treaki>can you suggest me a better guide
06:59<treaki>isnt this the official debian wiki, shouldnt the guide be up to date and working?
07:00<Iridos>dpkg, portmap
07:00<dpkg>portmap is a server converting <RPC> program numbers into DARPA protocol port numbers, used widely by <NFS> and <NIS>. Superseded by rpcbind, removed from Debian post-Squeeze to resolve bug #567502.
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07:01<Iridos>well, it's a wiki… it depends on someone somewhere to care about the page, who is capable of writing good documentation and keeps it up to date
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07:03<Iridos>and I think there was a bigger spam attack some time ago… and a lot of not-so-active accounts were deleted/suspended
07:03<Iridos>so the list of someones shrunk
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07:04<treaki>fsck: /dev/sdXYZ is in use.
07:04<treaki>how to find out by what and kill it?
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07:06<Iridos>it's mounted…
07:06<Iridos>probably
07:06<Guest1138>So I would like to do something out of the norm with debian packages, not sure what is the best channel to ask this, in a nutshell I would like to: A.) Given a list of fully revisioned package names, download these packages from a repo... B.) Given a symbolic release name (e.g. "jessie" or "stretch") and one or more unversioned package name, obtain the latest versions of those package names _and_ their dependencies... and C.) Given a list of fully
07:06<Guest1138>versioned debian package files on disk (downloaded in A) install those packages into a sysroot instead of a live system, as an unprivileged user
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07:07<treaki>no it isnt
07:07<treaki>i have done umount -l /dev/sdXYZ
07:08<grawity>that doesn't actually make sure it's unmounted though
07:08<grawity>it just says "please unmount it as soon as you can"
07:08<Iridos>gtristan, there's a couple of things that cover most of those… like apt-offline
07:08<grawity>which might take a while
07:08<Iridos>dpkg, apt-offline
07:08<dpkg>To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://bit.ly/1UYVX5g . Ask me about <apt-zip>, <apt-walkabout>.
07:08<Iridos>gtristan, also ask the bot about the other ones with e.g. /msg dpkg apt-zip
07:09<treaki>grawity, ok, and how can i now force unmount it
07:09<Iridos>and look at the package descriptions with something like apt-cache show apt-zip
07:09<treaki>and how can i in general find out by what it is in use, how that check of fsck workes and how can i make it my own more verbose so that i see what to kill
07:09<grawity>lsof
07:09<treaki>sudo lsof | grep /dev/sdXYZ isnt working
07:09<gtristan>Iridos, I'm looking at some blog post about apt-offline thanks :)
07:10<treaki>no results
07:10<grawity>grep for the mountpoint, not the disk
07:10<treaki>but it isnt visible under mount anymore
07:10<treaki>and there are also no lines if i grep the mountpoint
07:11<Iridos>treaki, -l is for lazy… that means it appears as being unmounted even though something still had a file open on it and it cannot REALLY be unmounted
07:12<Iridos>you should have done (as root) fuser -m /your/mountpoint and killed any process that still used the mountpoint (fuser can do that but it's good to check what you're killing) and then do a regular unmount
07:12<Iridos>now *shrug*
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07:14<treaki>dose " should have" mean there is no way right now to fix that problem?
07:14<Iridos>well, reboot
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07:14<Iridos>maybe you can still find open files in lsof if you look for the mointpoint path
07:15<Iridos>but I don't know, because why would I ever want to actually go there and make the experience :)
07:16<treaki>that command gives me now a bunch of
07:16<treaki>Cannot stat file /proc/1064/fd/6: Permission denied
07:16<treaki>then a
07:16<treaki>which is impossible
07:16<treaki> /mountpoint/: and all pids i have at all with an rce in the end
07:17<treaki> *last line before that
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07:20<treaki>ah lookes like it showed all usages of my root partition
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07:21<treaki>now i have just mounted it back again, then used fuser and then killed the only one (just a little tail logfilexyz) process left, unmounted it agian and then fsck also worked out
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07:22<treaki>thanks for your help, but i would still like to understand how fsck found out about the usage and how to find out how to find out what to kill to get it freed without remounting it first
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07:24<Iridos>you have to run lsof as root to see everything?
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07:24<treaki>also i have noticed that when i mounting a usb disk using the graphical system (mate) and unmounting it while it is still in use there is an force unmount/eject possibility that workes without killing all the applications
07:24<Iridos>and there are just things that can messed up in the kernel and only a reboot will help
07:24<treaki>it just makes all accesspointers (or how they are called correctly) of that applications invalid.
07:24<treaki>so how to do that using cli?
07:25<Iridos>usually with mounting… usb used to be really horrible with that in the 90ies
07:25<treaki>i have done it as root but still havent got an output while it was half unmounted using umount -l
07:25<Iridos>there is no "force"… there's just the lazy umount that you did with -l
07:25<Iridos>read "man mount" on the -l option
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07:26<vape>Hallo jemand hier der mir helfen kann?
07:26<treaki>but what is than done by mate, it isnt lazy because i can after i used that force do an fsck
07:26<treaki>vape, kommt drauf an wobei
07:26<treaki>vape, wo drückt denn der Schuh?
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07:26<vape>ich hab mich beim debianforum.de regestriert aber bekomm keine Email zur Aktivierung
07:26<vape>japper geht irgendwie nicht bei mir :D ich bin neu in debian ^
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07:27<treaki>ok, aber dir ist schon bewusst das dieser irc channel keinerlei beziehung zum deutschen debianforum hat
07:27<vape>nein, wie gesagt neu ;-/
07:27<Iridos>… and that this is an english-language channel ^^
07:28<jm_>!de
07:28<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
07:28<jm_>maybe try there
07:28<treaki>vape, best well chat in private to dont disturb others about our oftoppic stuff, wird besser sein wenn wir privat chatten um die anderen hier nicht mit der sache zu nerfen
07:29<Iridos>not really, because what he asked is about debianforum.de which isn't even really part of the debian project, I think
07:29<Iridos>or is it
07:29<Iridos>nope, the site itself says it's not
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07:45<ghondaf>is there any body her
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07:46<duclicsic>!ask
07:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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07:48<ghondaf>what if I want to learn hacking from the pigging
07:49<duclicsic>ghondaf: this is a support channel for debian linux, do you have a question about it?
07:49<petn-randall>ghondaf: pigging?
07:49<duclicsic>petn-randall: you don't know about the pigging? ;)
07:50<petn-randall>duclicsic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigging
07:51<satta_>hm, wondering if this is SFW to click...
07:51<duclicsic>it's safe, but it certainly won't teach you about hacking
07:52-!-mode/#debian [+l 821] by debhelper
07:52<ghondaf>ok teach me
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07:52<petn-randall>ghondaf: Swing with the torso, not with your arms.
07:54<ghondaf>look friends I listen to your advice
07:54<ghondaf>go head
07:54<duclicsic>my advice is that unless you have a question about debian, you should probably leave
07:54<petn-randall>ghondaf: So you installed Kali or Parrot?
07:55<duclicsic>parrot i'm guessing
07:55<ghondaf>both
07:55<petn-randall>ghondaf: Which one are you running now?
07:55<duclicsic>oh, good job. you've pretty much nailed hacking then, we can't help you beyond that.
07:55<ghondaf>parrot
07:55<petn-randall>!parrot
07:55<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
07:55<petn-randall>ghondaf: Try there. ^^^
07:56<ghondaf>in terminal
07:56<duclicsic>does parrot ship with an irc client preconfigured to join this channel or something?
07:56<josegatica>hey boys, I'm using Parrot too, but if I wanna know about Parrot I must go to any Parrot channel
07:56<petn-randall>duclicsic: Yes, same for Kali unfortunately.
07:57<petn-randall>josegatica: Yes, you're very attentative.
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07:57<duclicsic>ugh. i'd say someone should reach out to them and ask them to get that changed, but then i suspect that's volunteering myself.
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07:59<ghondaf>ok there is no helping
07:59<duclicsic>no
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08:00<ghondaf>I will go bye
08:00<ghondaf>thank you
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08:00<josegatica>petn-randall: Hi bro. Look, I'm one of the Parrot Ambassador, and obviously I use Parrot and Debian too. In Parrot channel we don't accept ask about another distro or OS, cause Parrot is our business there. Here, only Debian matters
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08:09<peter1138>he's your brother?
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08:13<josegatica>no, but I think that ev'rybody are brothers :D
08:15<treaki>ok folks thanks for your help, i guess i would have to understand the source code to find out why and so, but i guess ill just avoid umount -l in the future and be happy about the unknown magic done by the grafical user interface by completely unmounting removable devices without killing all applications who are using it ...
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08:46<quinerr>hi, i've been stuck at kvm network for a week....
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08:50<quinerr>try to bring up virtio network in 2k3
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08:51<quinerr>also no spice shared directory
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08:55<lindi->quinerr: did you install spice guest tools?
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08:55<lindi->quinerr: ah, sorry, shared directories are not supported afaik
08:56<lindi->quinerr: I just setup samba to 127.0.0.1
08:56<quinerr>lindi-: :(
08:56<quinerr>then how about virtio network?
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08:57<lindi->quinerr: I just use rtl8139 network driver for now
08:57<quinerr>(;_;)
08:57<peter1138>2k3 ;(
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08:58<quinerr>vb even support os2
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08:58<lindi->vb?
08:59<quinerr>iirc
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08:59<quinerr>virtualbox...
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09:00<lindi->Virtualbox is not really part of debian anymore
09:01<lindi->It's in contrib since you need a non-free compiler to build it
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09:03<quinerr>i feel virtualbox provides more comprehensive addons (although nonfree) than kvm/libvirt
09:04<quinerr>so no hope on netkvm? ;(
09:04<lindi->quinerr: just use samba?
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09:04<Mashaboudah>hey what happened ?
09:05<quinerr>samba maybe, but it heavily depends on network....
09:05<lindi->quinerr: surely you can get network working?
09:05<Mashaboudah>sure
09:06<quinerr>only rtl8139 (on virt-manager)
09:06<quinerr>maybe e1000
09:06<lindi->quinerr: what's the problem with that?
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09:07<lindi->?
09:07<quinerr>or i don't know how to (manually) bring up virtio network...
09:07<Ben_To>yo
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09:09<peter1138>virtio network interface is no different, it just needs the drivers to be installed
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09:11<quinerr>all kvm drivers installed
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09:12<quinerr>hmm, gentoo kernel works well on virtio-net
09:12<lindi->quinerr: Why not just use rtl8139?
09:13<quinerr>i only get 5MB/s on rtl8139
09:13<quinerr>that's not good for shared directory
09:13<lindi->quinerr: you really should have stated this in the original question
09:14<lindi->so you just need more performance
09:14<Ben_To>hey, what's happened ?
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09:17<quinerr>ok i'll try to fight against 2k3 and netkvm them, or just stay with e1000...
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09:30<lukefrs>Hello
09:31<lukefrs>noob question, how do i add write permission to a second hard drive?
09:33<lindi->lukefrs: desktop?
09:33<lukefrs>y
09:33<lindi->lukefrs: gnome3?
09:33<lukefrs>cinnamon
09:34<lindi->lukefrs: do you need to move it between computers or is it a permanent drive?
09:34<lukefrs>permanent storage only drive
09:34<lindi->lukefrs: are you using lvm?
09:35<lukefrs>yes
09:35<lindi->lukefrs: would you like to just add the space to your current /home?
09:35<lindi->lukefrs: or do you want it to be a separate mount point like /extra?
09:35<lukefrs>no, it's shared with others distro
09:39<lindi->lukefrs: aha, more requirements
09:39<lindi->lukefrs: do you have the same users on both distros?
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09:42<lukefrs>not really a distro, it was used for windows.
09:42<lindi->lukefrs: what filesystem do you use?
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09:44<lukefrs>I used default settings with encryption
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09:45<lukefrs>i would like to use this drive just like an external drive for backups
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09:45<blast007>except it won't be for backups?
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09:45<lindi->lukefrs: but surely windows does not understand that?
09:46<lindi->lukefrs: I'm just trying to make sure I understand the whole situation before making recommendations
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09:47<lindi->I use external hard disk with encryption. I just created the file systems and encryption with "disk utility" and have it always mount to a stable place in /media/backup where I can then use rsync as root
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09:51<lukefrs>I don't think i'll use rsync yet
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09:52<lukefrs>sorry i'm being confusing
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09:52<lukefrs>i'm planning on using this drive for store big files only
09:52<lukefrs>audio files, videos etc
09:53<lindi->lukefrs: if you use ext4 there you should be able to create directory where your user can write data
09:55<lukefrs>do i have to format the drive to set up ext4?
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11:34<pcareme>hi
11:34<pcareme>Anyone here
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11:43<yulax>debian sounds like a soap band imho
11:43<yulax>lemon scented debian fresh
11:43<petn-randall>I was about to say the same about yulax. Pretty sure it has chlorine in it.
11:44<yulax>yes
11:45<yulax>i fry clean clothes
11:45<yulax>ahem, dry clean :)
11:45<petn-randall>Anyways. Do you need help with Debian, yulax?
11:45<yulax>no.
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12:00<vape>Hello, i search the Debian Testing Disto... who i can find this?
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12:01<petn-randall>vape: You searched Debian testing to find what?
12:01<vape>to download ... sry my english is bad
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12:01<petn-randall>!stretch installer
12:01*petn-randall pokes dpkg.
12:02<vape>by the terminal?
12:02<petn-randall>vape: Are you sure you want to run pre-release software?
12:03<vape>yeah i know.. ;)
12:03<petn-randall>vape: You'd voluntarily beta-test stretch, which is not released yet.
12:03<petn-randall>vape: Is that the reason you want to upgrade?
12:03<vape>stretch is comming march?
12:03<petn-randall>no
12:04<petn-randall>!wwsr
12:04<dpkg>Well... it's starting to get distinctly chilly... Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about <stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help> https://udd.debian.org/bugs/
12:04<vape>eh sry ... 2.5.17
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13:00<TSGeek>Hello, how do i make my iptables rules persistant at reboot with systemd ?
13:01<TSGeek>Because there is a lot of tutorials but i don't know if they are compatible with systemd
13:01<rudi_s>TSGeek: iptables-persistent
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13:02<TSGeek>rudi_s, ok thanks
13:02<rudi_s>np
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13:35<ts78>hi, i remove postgresql-9.5 before running pq_upgradecluster 9.5 main. what can I do now?
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13:40<ts78>"Error: pg_controldata not found, please install postgresql-9.5" is what I get running "pg_upgradecluster 9.5 main"
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13:41<danielsh>hi, when printing from gvim (gtk2 gui), using lpr(1) from cups-bsd, non-latin1 characters are rendered as "¿". I've found https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11954241/unicode-printing-in-vim which says that's unsupported. Is that SO answer up to date?
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13:49<somiaj>danielsh: looks like you need to either use a cups driver or something like paps to convert to unicode
13:49<somiaj>https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/150501/support-for-utf-8-encoding-with-lpr
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13:55<danielsh>somiaj, I'm using the CUPS PDF virtual printer, I assume I don't need a special driver for that.
13:55<danielsh>somiaj, paps did the trick nicely, thanks!
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13:56<somiaj>yea might not be a special driver that would deal with unicode for you, glad paps worked
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14:13<TSGeek>I've got 2 anothers questions with iptables-persistent :
14:14<TSGeek>1) I just have to copy my scripts into /etc/iptables/rules.v[4/6] ?
14:14<TSGeek>2) Do i have a service to enable (i didn't found it with systemctl)
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14:19<localhorst>2) The service is called netfilter-persistent
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14:20<localhorst>1) You apply your script like you would normaly and after you do 'iptables-save > /etc/iptables/rules.v4' or 'ip6tables-save > /etc/iptables/rules.v6'
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14:21<rudi_s>TSGeek: localhorst: To enable it you run: /usr/sbin/netfilter-persistent save
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14:26<TSGeek>localhorst, so i don't have to copy/paste my .sh script
14:26<TSGeek>?
14:27<localhorst>Watch the output of 'iptables-save | more'. It's probably a whole different syntax.
14:27<localhorst>So you don't copy it. Apply your script and run the command rudi_s told us.
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14:32<TSGeek>ok
14:34<rudi_s>TSGeek: Btw. you should not use a Shell script with multiple `iptables` calls to setup your database as this is not atomic. Instead use iptables-save/restore to configure the firewall.
14:35<TSGeek>ok
14:35<lindi->TSGeek: also you should not forget ip6tables
14:35<TSGeek>Yes... but we don't use ipv6
14:36<ts78>"Error: pg_controldata not found, please install postgresql-9.5" is what I get running "pg_upgradecluster 9.5 main". this uprade tutorial did not help as 9.5 is already uninstalled https://dev.to/pauloxnet/upgrading-postgresql-from-95-to-96-on-ubuntu-1704
14:36<rudi_s>(You _can_ use a script which generates the appropriate rules in iptables-restore's format and then run iptables-restore on the result.
14:36<Tjis>you have no ipv6 at all? or you just don't use it? please keep in mind ipv6 might accidentally leave something open if you just ignore it
14:36<rudi_s>TSGeek: Install it?
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14:37<TSGeek>rudi_s, no for the moment it is not planned. We just have to block it
14:37<rudi_s>TSGeek: Ah sorry, wrong nick. But yeah, don't forget ip6tables-restore.
14:37<rudi_s>ts78: Install it?
14:38<TSGeek>rudi_s, it is the same command than iptable to lock all ?
14:38<rudi_s>If the packages are not in the current debian release, update sources.list to include the old release, install it, upgrade, uninstall.
14:39<rudi_s>TSGeek: Lock all? iptables-save for IPV4, ip6tables-save for IPv6. - The /usr/sbin/netfilter-persistent save takes care of both IPv4 and IPv6 rules.
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14:41<TSGeek>rudi_s, yes but is the syntax of ip6tables script the same as iptables ?
14:41<rudi_s>TSGeek: Not the same. They are similar, but there are a few differences.
14:41<TSGeek>Ok
14:41<TSGeek>thank you
14:42<rudi_s>TSGeek: For example -j REJECT --reject-with uses a different names. It's icmp-admin-prohibited in IPv4 and adm-prohibited in IPv6.
14:42<rudi_s>But it will tell you if anything breaks.
14:42<TSGeek>ufw is easier xD
14:42<rudi_s>Well.
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14:43<rudi_s>And have a look at https://thermicorp.de/netfilter/index.html for general information about netfilter/iptables.
14:43<rudi_s>I prefer to use the "real" system and not some wrapper which hides and obscurs the situation.
14:43<rudi_s>(Also it prevents me to have to learn two tools/syntaxes/workflows if I just learn the "real" one.)
14:43<lindi->rudi_s: that means you actually need to understand how everything works
14:44<lindi->which is sometimes quite complex actually
14:44<rudi_s>lindi-: In a way yes, but there are useful abstractions which are not too leaky, and there are abstractions which don't add much value. And I try to stay away from the latter ones.
14:45<rudi_s>And iptables/netfilter is IMO simple enough that it should be learned instead of ufw or similar wrappers. And if you have more complex requirements you'll have to learn iptables/ip rule/etc. anyway.
14:45<lindi->rudi_s: for example I recently realized that if I have eth0 (192.168.3.1/24) and eth1 (192.168.5.1/24) and SSH listening on 192.168.3.1 I can access it also from the eth1 network
14:46<rudi_s>lindi-: Yes, because linux answers ARP requests on all interfaces.
14:46<TSGeek>Yes but i have a problem : we need to make a script for a gaming server that open port when a game server is created and remove port when it finished
14:46<lindi->rudi_s: you don't even need to send ARP requests if you know the MAC address
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14:46<rudi_s>lindi-: True.
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14:47<rudi_s>TSGeek: So what's the issue? In that case you can run a _single_ iptables command to alter your ruleset (and maybe safe it with netfilter-persistent save - although I'm not sure if you need to do that as the server won't surive a reboot I guess).
14:47<rudi_s>The problem is running multiple iptables to prepare the initial firewall rules because that's not atomic and doesn't properly handle errors.
14:47<lindi->rudi_s: I realized this only this month by reading planet.debian.org
14:47<TSGeek>ok
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14:48<rudi_s>lindi-: I haven't known that for a long time either. But that's normal, we always learn more things.
14:48<TSGeek>rudi_s, if i do netfilter-persistant save twice, do the 2nd time will erease the 1st ?
14:49<rudi_s>TSGeek: It stores the current state, so yes, it will "erase" the first by overwriting it.
14:49<Tjis>for all the people switching to stretch soon, consider using nft
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14:51<TSGeek>rudi_s, ok, so there is no danger to have 2 times the same rule ?
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14:51<rudi_s>Tjis: Wouldn't consider that ready yet.
14:52<Tjis>why not?
14:52<Tjis>I'm using it without problems
14:52<rudi_s>Tjis: Why would you consider it stable?
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14:52<Tjis>cause it will be included in the next stable :)
14:52<rudi_s>...
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14:53<Tjis>why do you consider it unstable?
14:53<rudi_s>TSGeek: I'm not sure what exactly you're saying. Lets clarify a few things. First all that netfilter-persistent does is run iptables-save and ip6tables-save and store that in a file, and on reboot it applies those rules with iptables-restore and ip6tables-restore.
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14:53<rudi_s>So it only stores the current state, nothing more.
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14:54<rudi_s>If you run iptables to add more rules (e.g. iptables -A), those rules will be added to the current set of rules and if you run it twice, then you've got two more rules. So of course you have to cleanup those rules sooner or later unless you want to keep them.
14:54<TSGeek>rudi_s, yes, but if i modify a rule (maybe add a port or something else) and i run iptables-save, do it will clean config and re-write it or do it will add it at the bottom of the file ?
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14:55<koollman_>TSGeek: clean config. it saves the current state entirely
14:55<TSGeek>Ok coolm
14:55<TSGeek>*cool
14:55<rudi_s>Tjis: Last time I tested it it has still many missing features, but I guess that got better since stretch. However my biggest issue are the horribly bad error messages. - And for the stable part, IMO it wasn't in use long enough to be considered stable, especially for a firewall.
14:55<koollman_>TSGeek: well, assuming you save to netfilter-persistent file
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14:56<TSGeek>thank you very much koollman_ and rudi_s
14:56<rudi_s>TSGeek: iptables-save _saves_ _the_ _current_ _state_
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14:56<Tjis>rudi_s: for the most part, it uses the same infrastructure as iptables
14:56<rudi_s>It will do nothing else. iptables -A will add rules, and then those added rules will be saved by iptables-save.
14:56<Tjis>should any bugs come up during stretch' lifetime, they will be fixed like any other bugs
14:57<rudi_s>Tjis: Of course, but that's no argument to use it and bugs in stable releases always take quite some time to get fixed. And although it uses the netfilter framework to hook into the kernel network subsystem, the packet matching is completely new.
14:58<Tjis>it's new but it is also trivial
14:58<koollman_>'saves' is maybe too strong a word for iptables-save. it outputs the current state :)
14:58<koollman_>you decide what you do with that
14:59<rudi_s>Tjis: I wouldn't call any kernel code trivial, but a virtual machine least of all.
14:59<Tjis>the fact that all field matches are now done with the same logic, rather than a separate module for every thing, means a lot less room for bugs
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14:59<rudi_s>In the long run yes, in the short run it will also introduce new bugs.
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15:00<Tjis>I very much doubt that the kind of bugs where an ip adress match would fail are still present. Anecdotally, i've been doing just that succesfully for a few months now. I'd be very surprised if such a match would fail sometimes
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15:02<rudi_s>Tjis: I don't doubt that most obvious bugs are gone, but that's not enough for me to consider it stable. But YMMV - anyway, I don't want to argue.
15:03<Tjis>i'll drop it
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15:42<TSGeek>I've got a question : if i have a website on a apache server, how do i show website for 3-4 ip, and don't show website for all others ip
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15:44<blast007>TSGeek: you could configure it to listen on specific IPs instead of on 0.0.0.0. Edit your /etc/apache2/ports.conf configuration file to have multiple Listen lines, one for each IP/port combo you want
15:44<TSGeek>Ok
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15:45<TSGeek>blast007, it will be deny by default
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15:45<TSGeek>?
15:45<blast007>or maybe I'm misunderstanding your question
15:45<blast007>are you wanting to restrict WHO can access your website, not HOW they can access it?
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15:46<TSGeek>blast007, i've got some friend developping a website and they don't want to other people can watch it
15:46<TSGeek>so i want to authorise only their ip to see the website
15:46<blast007>yeah, sorry, my brain went straight to "server with multiple IP addresses". so, forget what I said :)
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15:47<TSGeek>blast007, ok, so how can i lock the website ?
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15:49<blast007>probably some combination of the Require directive https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/mod_authz_core.html#require
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15:50<rudi_s>TSGeek: Or better use basic auth over https then anybody with the password can access it and it won't fail if they use NAT or their IPs change or ...
15:51<TSGeek>Hum or a vpn ?
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16:11<annadane>does debian's recent decision about ftp sites affect things like ftp.countrycode.debian.org in the installer?
16:11<OdyX>Read again :)
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16:11<OdyX>The ftp _protocol_ is removed.
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16:21<ts78>how can I upgrade a postgresql 9,5 cluster to 9.6 without postgresql-9.5 being installed?
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16:55<rudi_s>TSGeek: Why vpn? Authentication is the simplest solution.
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16:55<rudi_s>ts78: Why don't you install it?
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16:55<TSGeek>rudi_s, yes thanks :D
16:55<ts78>rudi_s: it's not available: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/postgresql-9.5
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16:56<rudi_s>ts78: Install it from snapshots.debian.org
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17:04<ts78>rudi_s: thanks, that helped!
17:04<rudi_s>np
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17:20<casawi>ciao
17:21<casawi>please comandi per install kodi v17 su debian 8
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17:22<grove>!it
17:22<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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17:37<ivans>Hi. Whenever I run a program thorugh gksudo it always says I have the wrong password
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18:33<brenlae>hi, i installed debian stretch the other day and i can't seem to get spotify working, allegro 5 doesn't seem to work and neither does sdl2
18:33<brenlae>i'm thinking of going back to jessie
18:33<brenlae>like the sdl libs aren't in /usr/lib
18:33<brenlae>thoughts?
18:36<blast007>testing support is in #debian-next
18:36<brenlae>k
18:36<blast007>and you'd want to provide more info than "doesn't work"
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18:41<pi_>yo
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21:11<matt__>hello~ is the flashplayer page on debian's wiki up to date?
21:11<matt__>i can't seem to get it working
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21:15<somiaj>the flash scripts are having problems in debian, are you wanting pepperflash or normal flash?
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21:16<matt__>i wanted normal flash (to use with firefox, right?) but pepper would be acceptable too
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21:19<somiaj>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=851066
21:19<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/851066 in flashplugin-nonfree (open, security, stretch-ignore): «flashplugin-nonfree: Mismatch between detected and available versions (Download file not available at people.debian.org)»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-01-11; last modified: 2017-04-20.
21:19<somiaj>that's the bug
21:19<matt__>oh i see, it's fresh
21:19<matt__>thank you
21:22<josegatica>somiaj: a good opportunity to contrib :D
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21:31<somiaj>yea, to bad the way the scripts work depend to much on a single matainer.
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21:47<matt__>somiaj: thanks, the link helped me solve the problem
21:50<real007>update-flashplugin-nonfree --install
21:51<real007>irssi is good client irc mat__
21:51<real007>are you there
21:51<matt__>yes ^^
21:51<real007>update-flashplugin-nonfree --install
21:51<matt__>don't worry my problem is solved now
21:51<real007>with this update flashplayer in debian
21:51<real007>ok
21:52<matt__>thanks for helping
21:52<real007>use jessie or streech
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21:52<real007>i use freeBSD Unix and Debian
21:52<real007>both
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21:52<somiaj>that won't work as the script is broken since the matainer has not updated his webpage
21:52<real007>are unix likek
21:52<real007>are unix like
21:52<real007>umm
21:52<somiaj>read the bug report.
21:53<real007>Not are update webpage
21:53<real007>update-flashplugin-nonfree --status
21:54<josegatica>somiaj: I'm thinking in adopt some package soon, so this is a good opportunity
21:54<real007>well i are i am away, dont talk me please, like smoke cigarretes
21:54<real007>not are
21:55<real007>ok
21:56<somiaj>josegatica: The issue is less with adopting the package and more with figuring out a better way to deal with things. Though it maybe that someone needs to take over keeping the file with the meta data up to date.
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22:01<josegatica>you're right man
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