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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-04-26

---Logopened Wed Apr 26 00:00:25 2017
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01:14<harindu> /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie
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02:13<monsterweb>hello
02:13<monsterweb>could someone help me mount a raid 0 intel storage volume ? -- it's currently not even being recognised as a disk
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02:17<jm_>what kind of intel raid?
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02:19<monsterweb>jm_ it's setup via the bios
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02:19<monsterweb>intel super storage
02:19<monsterweb>it's a raid 0
02:19<jm_>monsterweb: this http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/44694.html ?
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02:22<monsterweb>jm_, thank you - I did not understand all of that - but basically it's probably not possible due to the reasons listed in the article correct ? (although I don't have a leveno)
02:23<jm_>monsterweb: well if you can change it to AHCI mode then it will work but that means no RAID
02:23<monsterweb>yeah
02:23<monsterweb>shame
02:23<monsterweb>thanks a lot anyway
02:24<jm_>no problem
02:24<monsterweb>saved me a lot of time ;)
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03:11<ladjym>hey
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03:12<ladjym>oui
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03:15<ladjym>yo
03:15<ladjym>plook
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03:17<ladjym>hey
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03:18<jean__>heyy
03:19<jean__>ya qui
03:19<jean__>kosss
03:19<jean__>gfgr
03:20<duclicsic>!ops spam
03:20<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: duclicsic complains about: spam
03:20<jm_>maybe !ask would be better, or !fr
03:21<duclicsic>is "gfgr" french?
03:21<jm_>no, but oui is
03:21<jelly>a highly compressed dialect
03:21<jean__>yo
03:21<duclicsic>hey, hit enough random keys and you're bound to make a word eventually. oh well.
03:22<jean__>hi
03:22<jean__>how are you
03:22<jean__>???
03:22<duclicsic>jean__: do you have a question about debian linux?
03:22<jelly>jean__: very well. Note that this is a support channel, if you want to chat we have #debian-offtopic or #moocows
03:23<jean__>no
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03:24<jean__>arturo
03:24<arturo>jean__
03:26<jean__>bien ou quoi
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03:26<jm_>jean__: as noted before, please stay on topic -- Note that this is a support channel, if you want to chat we have #debian-offtopic or #moocows
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03:34<jean__>yo les sberbes
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03:34<jean__>yo
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03:35<jean__>yo
03:36<bonnem>yo
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03:36<jean__>bien ou quoi
03:36<bonnem>trkll et toi
03:36<bonnem>oklm gros
03:36<jean__>oklm gros
03:36<bonnem>hey jean
03:36<jean__>oui
03:36<bonnem>jean le jean
03:36<bonnem>jean look yoann
03:37<jean__>c la streeet
03:37<bonnem>ah bro on est la
03:37<jean__>ya qui dans se chat???
03:37<jean__>hello
03:37<jean__>holla
03:37<bonnem>ce chat *
03:38<bonnem>ce chat*
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03:45<jean_>heyyyy
03:45<jm_>please stay on topic or I will ban you
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03:46<jean_>hello
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03:46<jean_>holla
03:47<jm_>this is your last warning - this is not a chat channel
03:47<jean_>jm
03:47<jean_>what
03:49<jm_>join other channels if you want to talk to people (as was pointed out before - #debian-offtopic or #moocows), this channel is limited to debian support only
03:49<Tjis>...there is a #moocows? why was I not informed
03:49<jm_>your moo skills are probably lacking!
03:50<Tjis>lies. my moo skills are perfectly satisfactory. all the cows say so ;)
03:50<Tjis>but lets not be too social
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03:51<jean_>hey
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03:53<duclicsic>jean_: do you understand what you have been told? this is not a chat channel, unless you have a question about debian please take it to one of the aforementioned channels.
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03:54<jean_>oki bro
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05:23<CyberJacob>It's just hanging and not doing anything...
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06:40<MarkL1>do you know how to use the text wrap on gedit? the default text editor of gnome?
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06:41<itd>MarkL1: What do you mean by "use"?
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06:41<itd>MarkL1: "use" == "enable"? https://askubuntu.com/a/602985
06:41<MarkL1>enable yes
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06:46<MarkL1>thanks
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06:48<MarkL1>I should install the debian initial page to then choose the partition I want, I forget the name of that software, can you tell me how to do?
06:49<MarkL1>grub2
06:49<MarkL1>if I well remember
06:49<jm_>grub is boot loader
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06:49<itd>MarkL1: What do you want to do?
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06:50<MarkL1>opensuse has installed its own boot loader but it bother me, I want install the Debian boot loader because I use Debian 99% of the times
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06:52<jm_>you will get the chance to do that at the end of debian installation, make sure you install grub to /dev/sdX not /dev/sdX1
06:52<jm_>or 2 or 3 ...
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06:53<MarkL1>sure, it should be on sda if I well remember
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06:53<itd>jm_: But from withing debian it's grub-install, right?
06:53<itd>s/withing/within/
06:54<jm_>itd: yeah if you want to manually install it
06:54<MarkL1>yea, I want that opening the pc, Grub appear and ask me which OS I wanna choose and Debian should be the first option
06:54<itd>MarkL1: Oh, you want to change the order of the entries?
06:54<jm_>you could also modify currently installed grub config to do that for you
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06:56<MarkL1>ok I could try to do that without reinstall another grub, thanks
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06:59<jm_>just edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg (although probably best to edit /etc/default/grub and change GRUB_DEFAULT=0, then rebuild grub.cfg «update-grub» in debian - this relies on constant order in grub.cfg)
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09:52<will>Alguien habla español?
09:52<petn-randall>!es
09:52<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
09:52<petn-randall>will: ^^^
09:52<will>OK
09:52<will>Gracias
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10:18<Asara>hello all, does debian (jessie) not use/respect the HOSTALIASES environment variable?
10:19<petn-randall>Asara: Ask your real question.
10:19<petn-randall>!asl
10:19<dpkg>rumour has it, asl is #del#
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10:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:19<Asara>petn-randall: that is my real question? I am setting HOSTALISES, doing a wget, and it doesn't resolve the IP
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10:22<petn-randall>Asara: What is the exact line you're using to test it?
10:22<Asara>wget hostname
10:22<petn-randall>Asara: And how did you set HOSTALIASES?
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10:23<Asara>literally i am doing 'echo X.X.X.X hostname > file, export HOSTALIASES=file, wget hostname'
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10:26<duclicsic>doesn't seem to work for me either
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10:28<petn-randall>Asara: Debian's glibc does support it. See 'man gethostbyname'. I don't know if wget uses this deprecated function, though.
10:29<Asara>same issue with curl, ping
10:29<itd>https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/104511
10:30<petn-randall>Asara: Did you check if they use the deprecated glibc function?
10:30<Asara>and if that is the case, is there any other way to set a temporary hostname without using root/editing the /etc/hosts file
10:30<petn-randall>^^^ finally we're at your real question.
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10:30<Asara>lol that is the purpose of HOSTALIASES no?
10:30<Asara>regardless, i guess that is my real question.
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10:30<Asara>sorry for wasting your time petn-randall
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10:32<petn-randall>Asara: Is there a reason you don't/can't edit /etc/hosts?
10:32<Asara>its being done in an integration environment via jenkins, and i don't want to give jenkins the ability to edit /etc/hosts. I could do some sudo hackery and just give it the ability to run specific commands but I am looking for a cleaner way
10:33<petn-randall>I see.
10:34<Asara>HOSTALIASES seemed like the cleanest way, but that doesn't seem to work on debian
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10:36<petn-randall>Asara: It does work for those applications that use the deprecated function calls. I'm guessing wget updated their code quite a while ago.
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10:36<Asara>fair. Is there any non-depricated way of achieving this same functionality?
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10:37<Tjis>you could use a wrapper program that replaces getaddrinfo with your own version. that's probably too much work though
10:37<petn-randall>Asara: I can't find a simple way to accomplish that with the new function calls. My approach to this would be to provide the right lookups via DNS, either via the common DNS server, or by running one on the jenkins machine.
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10:38<petn-randall>dnsmasq has a quite simple interface for that, for example.
10:38<s1rus>join /#opspain
10:38<petn-randall>Asara: Are the needed lookup entries constantly changing?
10:38<Asara>petn-randall: yeah constantly changing
10:39<Asara>its all disposable servers and the turnaround on them is <20 min each
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10:39<petn-randall>I see, fair point.
10:39<Tjis>if they are disposable servers why can't you deploy with an alternative /etc/hosts?
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10:39<Asara>the tests are all occuring via the jenkins server
10:40<Asara>so i am spinning up aws instances, deploying code to them, testing against them, destroying them
10:40<Asara>that testing against them is based on ssl certs, which require me to set up dns enteries
10:40<petn-randall>yikes
10:40<Tjis>so why can't you spin up an aws instance with a correct /etc/hosts
10:41<Asara>the /etc/hosts need to be changed on the jenkins machine itself
10:41<Asara>since it is connecting to the aws instance
10:41<Tjis>ah
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10:42<petn-randall>Asara: I'd then go with dnmasq on jenkins. You can provide a simple /etc/hosts-like file, and just point everything not answered by that to your upstream DNS server.
10:43<petn-randall>Asara: Probably a little more work than just setting an env var, but should be not too much work (effectively editing 2 files for your needs).
10:44<Tjis>.. but to set up your own dns server you'll need to modify /etc/resolv.conf or /etc/nsswitch.conf
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10:44<Tjis>which is probably not doable if /etc/hosts can't be touched
10:44<gspr>Hello. I'm packaging an upstream that provides C++ header files as well as a Python extension based on it. The Python extension is built *without* the use of the normal Python build tools. I'm a bit confused as to how I can have dh provide me with the correct "Depends: " stanza for the Python linked against.
10:45<gspr>Upstream's Python interface ends up being a single cpython shared object
10:45<petn-randall>Tjis: *once* though. Asara could then let jenkins edit /home/jenkins/hosts which is sourced by dnsmasq.
10:46<Asara>that seems like the best solution
10:46<Asara>thanks a lot petn-randall
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10:48<petn-randall>Asara: Sorry we couldn't find a simpler solution, looks as though the glibc devs made it harder. :/
10:48<itd>gspr: Packaging for debian? Try #debian-mentors. Not for debian? Give #packaging a shot. (In case you don't get an answer here. ;))
10:48<gspr>itd: Debian. Thanks. Moving there.
10:51<Asara>no stress. Better than giving my ci/cd root access :)
10:52<Asara>and i'll idle in here, hopefully i can be useful to someone else
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11:44<usr>Hello. Shall i update Debian 8.7 kernel to 4.10.12 or better keep original version from box?
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11:45<somiaj>any reason you need 4.10.12+ I would suggest using the 4.9 from backports
11:45<somiaj>the 3.16 kernel that comes with jessie is the suggested kernel and I would use that if that kernel works for your needs.
11:45<usr>thanks, i already have 4.9 .... bpo
11:46<somiaj>newer kernels are proivded via jessie-backports for cases you need a newer kernel (hardware issues mostly), and I would just stick the 4.9 there as that is already proivded for you
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11:46<somiaj>you would have to roll and manage your own custom builds if you want newer than that.
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11:46<usr>i just face problem with amd video driver on 3.16, from box there is no install
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11:52<somiaj>that is common, but I wouldn't expect much difference in terms of that in 4.9 vs 4.10 (unless you have some speical case)
11:52<somiaj>and if 4.9 isn't sufficent you now have to roll your own kernel wich may or may not be worth the effort.
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12:54<TheSuperGeek>Hi
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12:54<TheSuperGeek>I want to lock down an user : i want that he can only read files from his directory
12:55<TheSuperGeek>From his home. I want that he can't look at /*, just /home/[user_name]
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13:00<captnfab>you'll have to chroot him
13:00<captnfab>:)
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13:01<blast007>TheSuperGeek: what kinds of things are they going to be doing? just uploading/downloading/editing files to/from their home directory?
13:02<TheSuperGeek>blast007, it is on a server, we want to give access to some user on ssh but we don't want that the can watch config files, websites code....
13:03<petn-randall>TheSuperGeek: Should they be able to log in?
13:03<blast007>doesn't really answer my question
13:03<TheSuperGeek>I don't know
13:04<TheSuperGeek>I think, access and execute java files
13:04<blast007>how are they going to execute java files if they can't access anything outside of their home directory?
13:04<Brigo>TheSuperGeek, containers is what you are looking for.
13:04<blast007>presumably the java runtime is not stored in their home directory
13:04<jelly>they probably also need to execute a jvm
13:05<jurek4321>
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13:05<TheSuperGeek>Yes... i don't know, it's the project manager that asking me impossible things :D
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13:06<jelly>ask for a more precise specification, including exact command lines
13:07<TheSuperGeek>Lock all folders... just need java -jar [file.jar]
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13:21<retrospectacus>what Brigo said
13:22<Brigo>retrospectacus, thank you mate, at least anyone who cares :-D
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13:30<Megaf>guys, how do I make a release the default one when using apt, instead of having to use -t flag all the time
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13:31<avar>Megaf: See http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html
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13:31<blast007>what releases are you mixing?
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13:31<Megaf>blast007, unstable with experimental
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13:33<captnfab>you want to use experimental as default ?
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13:33<captnfab>is it for crash-testing? ^^"
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13:34<grove>experimental is not a distribution, it's a repository of packages that might not work together, using it as default is frankly a stupid idea
13:35<captnfab>I'd say "unwise" :)
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13:35<Megaf>I'm not asking if it's unwise or wise
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13:36<Megaf>I understand what experimental is
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13:38<captnfab>hence my question :) is that for crash-testing? anyway, you got your answer. Raise the priority of experimental, and you're done (and so might very well be your system after the first full-upgrade)
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13:39<captnfab>there's also APT::Default-Release that you can set in apt.conf
13:41<captnfab>not sure it accepts rc-buggy/experimental, but I think it does
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13:42<michel>Hello
13:42<michel>How does Debian sync time with time servers?
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13:43<michel>I saw that Debian Jessie uses NTP, but didin't see NTP on Stretch. What does Stretch use?
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13:47<retrospectacus>,v ntp
13:47<judd>Package: ntp on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2+deb7u7; jessie: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u2; jessie-security: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u2; sid: 1:4.2.8p10+dfsg-1; stretch: 1:4.2.8p10+dfsg-1; experimental: 1:4.2.8p10+dfsg-1+exp1
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13:49<Wigo0101>Hi there, I noticed something strance on debian Xface desktop (Jessie up to date)... Can anyone crosscheck it..... here is the recipt....... put a big file on the desktop like a movie...... creat an empty folder on the desktop...... drag and drop the big file in the folder.... debian stars to copy the file..... wait a little and stop the copying.... at that point you should have a half copied file in the folder....... now select the big file on
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13:50<retrospectacus>Wigo0101: you got cut off at "select the big file on". Use less ellipsis
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13:53<retrospectacus>michel: ^ stretch does have ntp. If you are having trouble installing it, go to #debian-next (the stretch channel) and elaborate.
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13:58<Huita>Hello! A noob question about crontab
13:58<Wigo0101>Re sending
13:58<Wigo0101>Hi there,
13:58<Wigo0101>I noticed something strance on debian Xface desktop (Jessie up to date).
13:58<Wigo0101>Can anyone crosscheck it. Here is the recipt.
13:58<Wigo0101>Put a big file on the desktop like a movie.
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13:58<Huita>So i put this into crontab: 0 * * * * python /home/deb/stories/request.py > /tmp/log 2>&1
13:58<Huita>this is supposed to run my script every hour
13:58<Huita>but nothing happens
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13:59<petn-randall>Huita: #1 reason scripts fail is because environment vars like $PATH don't get set in cron.
14:00<petn-randall>Huita: for example, cron will simply fail because it doesn't know where to find python.
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14:03<mc68040>Huita: you want to run /home/deb/stories/request.py as user python? if not there is the user field missing
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14:06<Wigo0101>Re sending, could you please crosscheck the following problem on Debian : https://justpaste.it/15yk2
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14:16<Huita>petn-randall: about $PATH - where do i set it? I thought path means i need to write full paths in python file itself
14:16<somiaj>Huita: depends, if this is a $PATH you only need in the python script, set it in the script.
14:16<petn-randall>Huita: Yes, but your cron line doesn't use the full path to python: 0 * * * * python /home/deb/stories/request.py > /tmp/log 2>&1
14:17<Huita>mc68040: well, no, but in order to use python scripts in plain old terminal i just use "python /etc/etcetcetc/py.py" and it werks
14:17<Huita>but i get your idea
14:17<somiaj>oh a cron issue, don't assume any $PATH in cron and use full paths. But if scripts need a $PATH you can set it in the script.
14:17<somiaj>if the script is set chmod +x, you only need the full path to python in the shebang, #!/usr/bin/python
14:17<somiaj>and then just call the script, no need to call python to run it.
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14:19<Huita>hmmm shebang is there but i didn't set chmod x
14:19<Huita>will try, thanks
14:19<Wigo0101>Do you see this message ? I have been kiked out just before... (just to be sure)
14:19<Huita>also, about the > /tmp/log 2>&1
14:19<Huita>can this whitespace be an issue?
14:20<Huita>does the log folder have to exist?
14:20<Huita>should there be any files or it will write print outputs in new files instead?
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14:20<somiaj>Huita: you have to give the exact file you want it to write to, it will fail because you are trying to write the data to a directory
14:21<somiaj>so if you want it to write to /tmp/log/mylog, use that. If you want this log file to change, you may need the script itself to output to the logfile, and not do the redirect inside of cron
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14:21<Huita>i see
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14:21<Huita>thanks
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14:24<Wigo0110>Re sending, could you please crosscheck the following problem on Debian : https://justpaste.it/15yk2
14:25<petn-randall>Wigo0110: No need to ask every 10 minutes. Have you tried reproducing the issue with a new user?
14:27<Wigo0110>petn-randall : Sorry for the flood... I got ejected. Was not sure if my messages were still delivered. No I did not try. I will try It
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14:53<konfusius_>Hi folks, good evening. Quickly connecting to ye as I am puzzled beyond repair. I have two domains hosted on a specific hoster. I cannot for the life of me connect to my ftp (yet alone log into the wordpress page wp-admin) on my debian and, even when just opening the url i most of the time get a "server could not ebe found" or similar
14:54<konfusius_>The exact same details (auth et cerea) working perfectly fine on iOS and three different macOS systems, so I am afraid I have, at some stage, fecked up my network confoguration on the debian
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14:55<konfusius_>I trieddpg-reconfigure for all the "network" packages, turned eth0 of and on (with ifconfig), verified my resolv.conf is ok and also cleared ARP cache.
14:55<konfusius_>My /etc/interfaces (?) looks fine as well...
14:55<somiaj>you have installed an ftp server on the debian machine, this won't be done by default.
14:55<konfusius_>Anyone has an idea how to reset my network config or what might be causing this? I just tested this in a new user and have exactly the same issue in there :s
14:56<konfusius_>Hm ... I might have doen so when building filezilla from source, could that be the reason?
14:57<somiaj>unsure, but it it is hard to follow what your issue is. Simplify it to the problem.
14:57<somiaj>1) is your network on the debian machine up.
14:57<somiaj>2) can you ping your network from your machine, can you ping the outside world from the debian machine.
14:57<konfusius_>Network works fine, I am connected with it this moment
14:57<konfusius_>I can even ping the domain I try to ftp to
14:57<localhorst>connected with what?
14:57<somiaj>so ftp is the issue? Do you have an ftp server installed and configured?
14:57<konfusius_>conencted with wifie and ethernet
14:57<somiaj>if so which one, check it is running and has the ftp port open.
14:58<konfusius_>but i don't think it is ftp because this specific url doesn't open in browser either...
14:58<konfusius_>*wifi
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14:59<somiaj>do you have a webserver running?
14:59<konfusius_>not on the debian, no
14:59<b4n4n4_s1lva>yes
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14:59<b4n4n4_s1lva>why?
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14:59<somiaj>so then you won't get anything to open with a webbrowser, but try to focus on one small thing. If the network is up and running and ftp is the issue, do you have an ftp server installed? if so what one?
14:59<phillipsjk>b4n4n4_s1lva, this channel has 8290 people in it.
15:00<phillipsjk>*820
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15:00<localhorst>--
15:00<blast007>somiaj: sounds like the site and ftp work fine from other devices, just not from their debian machine
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15:00<konfusius_>I don't think so (ftp server), at least I cannot locate anthing in apper / apropos fir ftp ---
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15:01<konfusius_>Yeah, the url work fine, ftp work fine. I can literally enter the details into machine one, connect, no problem, disconnect, same details on the debian, fails to connect
15:01<localhorst>The debian is your local desktop machine?
15:02<konfusius_>entering the url in chromium or firefox on deboan resolves in "cannot open page", meanwhile on the other devoces I don't have any problem
15:02<konfusius_>yes
15:02<konfusius_>debian 8 with KDE
15:02<konfusius_>gnutls in latest version
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15:03<somiaj>blast007: I'm not really sure what the issue is, but to me sounded like they wanted ftp on the debian machine.
15:03<localhorst>Can you browse any other websites?
15:03<konfusius_>yes, everything else is absolutely no problem. Literally just my own domains and only on this laptop
15:03<somiaj>konfusius_: check 'cat /etc/resolv.conf' does this have a valid nameserver in it, can you ping domain names, ping google.com and get it to turn into an ip address?
15:03<petn-randall>In tradition of recent news:
15:04<petn-randall>!ftp must die
15:04<dpkg>FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html. The Debian project will cease offering mirrors via FTP on 2017-11-01 https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170425
15:04<blast007>it sounded like there were trying to access the ftp/http of a remote system, and were not able to from their Debian machine
15:04<somiaj>sounds like a routing issue, if this machine cannot get to paticular machines ip address, there maybe a routing issue in your network (not the machine itself)
15:04<blast007>or a DNS issue
15:04<somiaj>blast007: yea I missunderstood, I thought they were trying to connect to the debian box with ftp.
15:05<somiaj>well other places work just fine, so it maybe just a dns issue with the local machines.
15:05<konfusius_>resolv.conf has the comodoe dns server, ping google.com no problem, dig google.com no problem :/
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15:05<localhorst>Can you dig your own domain? Do you get the expected result?
15:05<konfusius_>i played around with ifconfig some time (manual static IP) as I tried to tftp a bricked router, but that should be gone...
15:06<blast007>can you resolve the DNS of the site you're trying to connect to, and does the result match what the other systems show?
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15:06<konfusius_>yes, resolves correctly without problem
15:06<blast007>and you can ping it?
15:07<konfusius_>yep
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15:07<konfusius_>opening it in a browser is "inrmittent"
15:07<konfusius_>*intermittent
15:07<localhorst>Can you connect to your web server with curl?
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15:08<konfusius_>as in curl domain.tld ?
15:08<localhorst>yes
15:08<localhorst>That would try to access http://domain.tld
15:08<konfusius_>then yes ^^ not to the ftp.domain.tld (but I didn't auth)
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15:08<konfusius_>working no problem
15:09<localhorst>Have you played around with configurations/ssl on your web server?
15:10<localhorst>What's your domain?
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15:10<hnaa>I'm trying to boot debian from a sd following this guide https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/C201 Does anybody know how to verify the installation? It doesn't boot
15:10<localhorst>You may have cached some bad results or some good ones in the other browsers.
15:10<konfusius_>No, i didn' play arouind with that
15:10<konfusius_>arbitrary-khaos.com
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15:11<konfusius_>hold ... something is realyl weird here
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15:11<konfusius_>Apper gave me filezilla 3.9.xx despite me having built from source ...
15:12<konfusius_>so I just removed the filezilla client from apper and that seems to be the issue ...
15:12<somiaj>!don't break debian
15:12<dpkg>methinks dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
15:13<somiaj>konfusius_: ^^ be careful when installing stuff locally vs from debian packages. Issue can arise, one thing is to try to stick to debian provided packages.
15:14<konfusius_>I know, and I realyl wanted to :s but there was some need for the latest filezilla, which I now can't remeber... I migh roll it back though and try to go back to stable
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15:33<konfusius_>Anyways, thanks a million lads! I shall join back in soon, enjoy!
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16:27<Aaron_>hey I just download it the package, Anope
16:27<Aaron_>and such
16:27<Aaron_>how Do I add my self as a root
16:27<Aaron_>from the IRC,
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16:33<Caesar-EW>Hello. I'm trying to get SPI and GPI, GPO to work on a VIA EPIA-M920.(https://cdn.viaembedded.com/products/docs/epia-m920/user_manual/UM_EPIA-M920_v206_161117.pdf) I found some information in the kernel driver database, but I can't find any prebuild modul. CONFIG_GPIO_VX855: VIA VX855/VX875 GPIO. Must I build a new kernel or is there a way to just build thise module? Does anybody have some linkes or ideas on what to search on. I don'
16:33<Caesar-EW>t find much on VIA mainboards :(
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16:40<Huita>so i put a python script into crontab, but it uses requests and gives errors. how do i install requests for that python that is used by script? pip install says it's already installed for other python instance, anaconda one
16:41<lindi->Huita: you need to provide the script and the errors you get
16:41<lindi->Huita: or some minimal testcase at least
16:41<Huita>well, log says this:
16:41<Huita>Traceback (most recent call last):
16:41<Huita> File "/home/deb/stories/request.py", line 25, in <module>
16:41<Huita> from requests import session
16:41<Huita>ImportError: No module named requests
16:41-!-Huita was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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16:42<Huita>welp
16:42<Huita>Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/deb/stories/request.py", line 25, in <module> from requests import session ImportError: No module named requests
16:42<Huita>crontab entry is this:
16:42<Huita><Huita> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/deb/stories/request.py", line 25, in <module> from requests import session ImportError: No module named requests
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16:42<itd>dpkg: paste
16:42<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
16:42<Huita>er... more like this 0 * * * * /home/deb/stories/request.py >/tmp/log/loggie 2>&1
16:43<itd>Huita: ^ read and remember. :)
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16:43<itd>Caesar-EW: You could try #debian-embedded.
16:43<Caesar-EW>itd: Thanks I will try:)
16:43<Huita>yeah well. so anyway, pip install requests says this: Requirement already satisfied (use --upgrade to upgrade): requests in ./anaconda3/lib/python3.5/site-packages
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16:44<Huita>aaand schebang is this: #!/usr/bin/python
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16:45<lindi->Huita: apt-get install python-requests?
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16:46<lindi->Huita: or do you actually want to use some virtualenv?
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16:47<TheSuperGeek>I installed cpufreq to improve my core i7 performances by set myself if i want "performance" or "powersave" and system monitors like htop shows a stronger cpu usage when idle when i use "powersave".... strange isn't ?
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16:48<lindi->TheSuperGeek: perfectly logical, if the cpu is slower then it takes more time to do the same computation
16:48<TheSuperGeek>Ok :)
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17:02<Huita>so... how do i install packages/modules for specific python? "which python" gives me default python path. if i use it in shebang, it's all fine. however, what if i wanted to use, say, default /usr/bin/python ? pip install only installs for current python shown by "which python"
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18:25<bill-auger_>there are separate specific packages for python 3
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18:38<edgelordman>How should i modify /etc/sudoers file?
18:39<edgelordman>Ist debian 8 jessie
18:41<somiaj>visudo
18:41<ivans>edgelordman the command man visudo has some info.
18:41<somiaj>edgelordman: what do you need to modify? What is your goal?
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18:51<edgelordman>I want to add myself as a sudoer
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18:52<edgelordman>Should i only modify this file with visudo?
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18:56<likcoras>edgelordman: it is _possible_ with other tools, but visudo makes sure you don't accidentally screw up and lock yourself out or something. So why not?
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18:58<somiaj>edgelordman: if you just want to give yourself full sudo permisions add yourself to the sudo group, 'adduser username sudo' then logut and login,
18:58<somiaj>no need to edit the suders file
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19:00<edgelordman>Ty
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19:03<edgelordman>Another question, Is there a command to activate my touchpad?
19:06<somiaj>it should be active by default. Is there a hard siwtch on your machine that turns it off, if not you may have to figure out why xorg didn't set it up as an input device.
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19:08<edgelordman>Its not a hard switch problem, how should i install it then?
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19:11<edgelordman>I use an asus ROG laptop, no gnu/linux distro beside ubuntu had recognised my graphic card or touchpad
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19:19<edgelordman>Also i can not determine my touchpad type with egrep command
19:19<ivans>lspci?
19:20<ivans>edgelordman this might involve new prorprietary drivers. You can check backports or the nonfree area
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22:17<Guest1249>no
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22:17<Guest1249>soy de Latino
22:18<Guest1249>hblo espanol
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22:19<Guest1249>alguien que hable espanol
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22:21<annadane>!es
22:21<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
22:21<aprendiz>oi
22:21<annadane>Guest1249, ^
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22:21<Guest1249>perfecto
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22:27<xyzone>So I am unable to reboot or shutdown debian stretch after some updates a while back. The journal says this when I try "systemd[1]: Requested transaction contradicts existing jobs: Transaction is destructive."
22:28<annadane>xyzone, stretch questions go in #debian-next
22:28<xyzone>annadane, already did hours ago, nobody there
22:29<annadane>be patient, then
22:29<xyzone>I can't stay logged in forever
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22:31<annadane>xyzone, you could try the main debian user mailing list, it's fairly popular
22:31<annadane>debian-user@lists.debian.org
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22:43<acheron-b>any thoughts on whats the best desktop environment for Debian?
22:43<xyzone>MATE
22:43<acheron-b>obviously cinnamon isn;t it
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22:45<annadane>acheron-b, a) this is a support channel... i'd say go to #debian-offtopic
22:46<annadane>ignore the a), i was going to add a b) but never mind
22:46<annadane>also don't crosspost
22:46<acheron-b>thanks for being so kind asshole
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