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00:06<troy05>hola que tal
00:07<somiaj>!es
00:07<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
00:08<troy05>ok
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01:19<jinppk>Anyone got experience with Kodi(xbmc) on Debian? Having some issues with audio setup.
01:20<somiaj>I don't know kodi, but do you use pulse or alsa? Do you have your audio set up for that already?
01:21<jinppk>pulse.
01:21<jinppk>It seems like lots of the config is in kodi and in pulse settings. im not sure what i should do
01:21<somiaj>and you have used pvaucontrol or similar and that is working just fine, what appears to be your issue with kodi?
01:22<jinppk>the kodi page says "
01:22<jinppk>REMEMBER: To use passthrough you need to be using 2.0 channel configuration via pavucontrol (e.g. Digital Stereo (HDMI)" http://kodi.wiki/view/PulseAudio
01:23<jinppk>but my receiver says its getting 2.0...
01:23<jinppk>Ill just have to try set it up in pavu and see if that works
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05:34<guardian>hello, I have a Debian box running Debian 7. I want to upgrade to stretch. Am I better of starting over (knowing I tracked everything I installed, how I configured things + etckeeper giving a git log) or am I better of using dist-upgrade?
05:35<guardian>what's your advice?
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05:43<localhorst>The configuration syntax on certain packages may have changed so you may not be able to fully reproduce your former installation procedure. If you do a dist-upgrade you'll notice the changes and get the chance to see a diff of your configs and the newly ones.
05:43<SynrG>guardian: if you do upgrade, you'll need to upgrade to Jessie first, then Stretch
05:43<rudi_s>guardian: I'd dist-upgrade to 8 and then to 9 (stretch) (debian doesn't support skipping versions on updates). - But if your installation is very big (many many packages), then it might faster to reinstall.
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05:44<SynrG>guardian: it sounds like you have let the administration of the current system get away from you and already are thinking you need a fresh start. you should probably listen to your instincts on this one.
05:45<SynrG>i.e. you imply you didn't start fresh with etckeeper on the last install and are not confident you know everything on it has a purpose
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05:46<guardian>I started fresh with etckeeper
05:46<guardian>the box is maintained but I don't host it and life made is so we skipped jessie
05:47<guardian>the box basically does shared hosting for an association/club (not sure about the proper English term) and was working just fine
05:47<guardian>I kept it updated with security updates
05:47<SynrG>ah. i misunderstood, then. if you're confident in the state of the box, there should be no problem doing two upgrades
05:48<SynrG>especially if you kept installs of third party software to a minimum
05:48<guardian>there's no third party, despite mariadb
05:49<SynrG>sounds straightforward. the only other consideration with hosting is if they use a special kernel
05:49<SynrG>or if it is completely stock Debian
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05:50<localhorst>(glibc actually complains about the OpenVZ 6 kernel, which is 2.6.32)
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05:50<guardian>that's the reason I didn't upgrade to jessie
05:50<guardian>not finding a suitable time slot to sync with my buddies hosting the box
05:50<guardian>it's running inside kvm, not sure about what the host runs
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05:52<guardian>also, is it too early to upgarde to stretch?
05:52<SynrG>well, it is not recommended for production systems until released
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05:53<SynrG>you accept certain risks when you install testing, no matter when it is in the release cycle
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05:55<guardian>but we're late/advanced in the release process in this case
05:56<guardian>I would have a last question for now: what's the difference between debian's nginx packages and nginx's nginx packages (hosted on nginx.org) -- it's hard to google this
05:56<SynrG>the risk is less, but not zero
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05:56<SynrG>so it's about your awareness and acceptance of such risks
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05:58<SynrG>as a rule, Debian tends to modify packages as little as possible to integrate them with Debian. but for any given package there is no substitute for looking at the package source
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05:58<SynrG>do you have particular concerns?
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06:00<guardian>nope, just curiosity
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06:11<mihalski_>jesus.. what kind of insane device names is debian using for ethernet devices now? :/
06:11<mihalski_>enp4s0f0:
06:11<mihalski_>is this a new thing?
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06:13<itd>mihalski_: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
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06:15<mihalski_>ok.. thanks.. makes sense.. but that's a really unfortunate and crappy device name :P I wish they had opened for the the old style when there is only one ethernet and one wifi interface
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06:22<itd>mihalski_: You can turn it off, if you don't like it. (You could try this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/134485 )
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06:23<mihalski_>thanks.. but that would only help if it hasn't been detected yet right?
06:24<mihalski_>if it has I'd have to edit the interfaces file?
06:24<mihalski_>or does it retroactively rename the interfaces on a network restart?
06:25<itd>mihalski_: AFAIK the latter.
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06:33<mekeor>(how) can i install debian so that it loads a kernel module (namely, the nouveau graphics driver) before it prompts for the LUKS password of my fully encrypted disk?
06:34<bremner>mekeor: I'm guess you want to look at plymouth
06:34<bremner>which I thought was default on new installs, but *shrug*
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06:38<mekeor>bremner: i thought plymouth is for bootsplash. what does it have to do with loading kernel modules?
06:39<mekeor>mekeor: see https://wiki.debian.org/plymouth#Configuration
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06:40<bremner>well, it would be pretty lame graphical password prompter if it couldn't get graphics working
06:40<bremner>not out of the question that it is indeed pretty lame, of course.
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06:41<mekeor>of course ;)
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09:28<Ilc>hello everyone
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09:33<dvs>zzzzzz
09:34<Ilc>where are you from
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09:37<dvs>what does that have to do with Debian?
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09:38<petn-randall>!chat
09:38<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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10:27<root>hi
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12:21<Tomas>hola
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12:22<bremner>!next
12:22<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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12:58<Symphonic>Hi, I need to report a bug, where I can do this?
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12:58<bremner>!reportbug
12:58<dpkg>reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA>
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13:04<Symphonic>There is a opensource email service for linux users?
13:05<mtn>Symphonic: what do you mean by email service?
13:05<grawity>are you looking for software or a hosted provider?
13:05<Symphonic>I mean a service like gmail but provided bu volountaries
13:05<Symphonic>Or something like
13:06<Symphonic>For example I know that some debian developers can be contacted with the debian domain, but I think that there are some conditions for that
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13:06<grawity>does it have to be free (payment-wise)?
13:07<Symphonic>Yes
13:07<grawity>that really limits your options then
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13:08<Symphonic>For example i know that exists a doman @lists.debian.org
13:09<Symphonic>I need something like that
13:09<bremner>Symphonic: generally somebody has to pay for domain names and hosting.
13:10<bremner>not to mention admining the machines, backup, etc..
13:10<Symphonic>And this? https://www.debian.org/devel/join/
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13:11<grawity>what about it
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13:12<Symphonic>It seems to give a @lists.debian.org domain but idk how it works
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13:15<bremner>Symphonic: if you're serious about contributing to debian, that's great. But if you just want an email address, it doesn't work like that.
13:15<zeta>Symphonic: debian email addresses are mainly for debian developers. there are plenty of freemail providers available that are not google
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13:17<Symphonic>bremner: I'd like to contribute to the debian project, but on free time, cuz I go to college and so on
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13:18<Symphonic>Furthermore i actually doesn't have the skill to program (probably I will gain it in the future) i can report bugs, needed improvements and so on
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13:19<Symphonic>And beta test testing applications in a virtualbox
13:19<Symphonic>But I actually can't be a "good" debian developer...
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13:20<Symphonic>What I need now is a good and open email provider for a debian bugreport
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13:24<bremner>almost any email address will do.
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13:41<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, tanstaafl is "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch", from Robert A. Heinlein's "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" Heinlein, "The cat who walks through walls"
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14:11<rwxr-xr-x>(how) can i load nouveau graphics driver when my debian-installer doesn
14:11<rwxr-xr-x>'t include it?
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14:12<agaida>installing it first will help a lot
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14:13<rwxr-xr-x_>true. the thing is that i only have like ~40 seconds to figure out how to load that driver because otherwise my computer shuts down because i have some (hardware?) issues
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14:14<judd>Package xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (x11, optional) in jessie/amd64: X.Org X server -- Nouveau display driver. Version: 1:1.0.11-1; Size: 304.0k; Installed: 499k; Homepage: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/
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14:27<rwxr-xr-x_>i've been using the netinstall image. i guess, the cd/dvd image contains nouveau?
14:30<blast007>so the computer shuts down after 40 seconds while in the installer?
14:30<blast007>are you running the text installer or the graphical installer?
14:31<rwxr-xr-x_>well, my laptop has some strange issues.
14:32<rwxr-xr-x_>it shuts down after 40 seconds or so if i don't load nouveau in that time
14:32<rwxr-xr-x_>(including, when i stay in the bios)
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14:35<blast007>that has nothing to do with nouveau
14:35<blast007>your laptop is broken
14:35<blast007>probably overheating and shutting down to prevent damage
14:36<rwxr-xr-x_>well, when i load nouveau, everything is fine though
14:37<blast007>why would it shut down after 40 seconds when in the BIOS if it had anything to do with what was loaded or not in your operating system?
14:37<rwxr-xr-x_>so, at least nouveau is some kind of workaround
14:37<rwxr-xr-x_>i agree that my laptop is broken but nouveau seems to be a workaround
14:38<blast007>so fix your laptop
14:38<rwxr-xr-x_>true, but i don't know how. and i can't debug much
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14:39<blast007>clean the vents, make sure the fan(s) are working
14:39<rwxr-xr-x_>i cleaned and checked the ventilators/fans
14:40<rwxr-xr-x_>btw, during those 40 seconds, after the first 10 seconds or so, it starts beeping
14:40<blast007>probably a thermal warning alarm..
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14:41<blast007>you're cooking your CPU/GPU
14:42<rwxr-xr-x_>yeah. but due to nouveau seeming to workaround that issue, and the issue appearing independent of the OS, i'm guessing that it's an hardware-issue with my graphics card
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15:06<EmleyMoor>I'm trying to set up an EASY2BOOT stick using my Debian box but, when it comes time to put the content on the filesystem, it is failing to mount as "/dev/sdo1 is not available" - this causes it to write to the root partition, in the folder /mnt/myusb. It does work OK the first time it is used after a reboot, but goes wrong in this way on second and subsequent uses. What can I do to fix it short of reboot
15:06<EmleyMoor>ing? I am running the fmt_ntfs.sh ...
15:07<EmleyMoor>... script supplied as part of Easy2Boot.
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15:14<lindi->EmleyMoor: what is easy2boot?
15:15<EmleyMoor>See www.easy2boot.com - a way to create a bootable USB stick containing multiple ISOs and the like
15:15<lindi->EmleyMoor: ok, is that somehow related to debian or?
15:16<EmleyMoor>That isn't... it's generic. The Debian issue is that I'm running stretch on the system where it's playing up
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15:16<lindi->EmleyMoor: I don't think at least debian supports booting from something like that
15:17<lindi->EmleyMoor: also this channel is for debian jessie, use #debian-next for stretch
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15:19<EmleyMoor>Ah, hold on, mixing up my release names... it is jessie. This is not "booting from" but making the bootable thing
15:20<EmleyMoor>(and, when it works, it's absolutely fine to boot a Debian installer from)
15:20<lindi->EmleyMoor: anyways what you see sounds like a bug in easy2boot
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15:21<lindi->EmleyMoor: and easy2boot is non-free software which at least I don't really want to help :/
15:21<EmleyMoor>How can /dev/sdo1 both exist and not exist at the same time? It's actually mount that is giving the error
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15:22<lindi->(http://www.easy2boot.com/download/ says you cannot use it commercially)
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15:22<lindi->EmleyMoor: there can be a lot of possible reasons. if you can reproduce the problem without easy2boot then we can try to solve it
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15:22<lindi->EmleyMoor: but I'm not going to run easy2boot :)
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15:23<EmleyMoor>If I had any clue how to reproduce the problem directly I would
15:23<lindi->easy2boot source code does not seem to be available either
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15:24<EmleyMoor>lindi-: As the affected part is merely a bash script, I'm not sure how that's relevant
15:25<lindi->EmleyMoor: well I don't want to debug non-free software here
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15:27<EmleyMoor>Well, I'll see what they say back but I strongly suspect something in Debian
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15:28<EmleyMoor>Surely if it works once it should work more than once
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15:34<EmleyMoor>lindi-: Unless you know a good, equally capable, free alternative?
15:35<lindi->EmleyMoor: I don't sorry, I use separate USB drives
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15:36<EmleyMoor>lindi-: Exactly what I seek to avoid
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15:37<lindi->EmleyMoor: I can understand that
15:37<blast007>I've used syslinux for that before, though I was launching live DVDs and similar, not installer ISOs
15:37<lindi->I usually need to write the software to the USB drive between switching computers since I don't want to risk moving the USB drive between potentially untrusted computers
15:38<EmleyMoor>I used to have a syslinux based one but it played up with at least some scenarios
15:38<lindi->Having read-only USB drives would help
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15:43<lindi->It seems that a newer version of the USB drive that I use has support for read-only mode
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16:08<spacebug^>how can I see if a package is located in main, contrib or non-free if I have all those enabled? And have can I see which packages I have installed from those?
16:09<spacebug^>should I do somethign like 'apt-cache show filezilla' and look at the filename path 'pool/main/f/filezilla/filezilla_3.9.0.5-1_amd64.deb' and the 'main' in there give me a hint?
16:10<blast007>spacebug^: 'apt show PackageNameHere' shows an APT-Sources line
16:10<bremner>spacebug^: the package vrms might be helpful. For an individual package, the Section will tell you non-free or contrib
16:11<spacebug^>thanks bremner and blast007
16:11<blast007>ah, yeah, guess section does. so if it's main it just shows, for instance, 'net' instead of 'contrib/net'?
16:11<bremner>correct
16:12<blast007>k, that's a better way than my suggestion then :)
16:12<spacebug^>oh
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16:12<spacebug^>and for installed packages, can I list those easily somehow? dpkg -l -something?
16:13<bremner>like I say, run vrms
16:13<spacebug^>oh yeah :)
16:14<localhorst>lol, that name's great "Virtual Richard M. Stallman"
16:14<spacebug^>hehe just read that
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16:16<spacebug^>ok so I have non-free unrar and contrib ttf-mscorefonts-installer
16:16<spacebug^>I guess unrar whould be kind of easy to find some free sofware for, but the fonts.. hum
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16:17<ryouma>supposedly this is equivalent to vrms but i have not tested it aptitude search '~i?or(~scontrib,~snon-free)'
16:17<ryouma>(or similar at least)
16:17<localhorst>unrar may be removed from stretch btw
16:17<ryouma>i just use vrms
16:17<localhorst>oh no, it was rar
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16:18<localhorst>I confused those two because both have an open release critical bug.
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16:30<ryouma>rar subformats have issues. at least one cannot be decoded, at least with any tool with rar in the name. patool extract and bsdtar can decode some. this took me a while to discover.
16:31<ryouma>patool extract has no exit code though
16:32<grawity>7z might be able to handle those
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16:33<ryouma>other possibilities include p7zip and unar -- it works but installs a gnustep daemon by dependency -- has lsar ka
16:34<ryouma>but it is not clear if there remain subformats that are impossible
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18:32<whoami|2>meh
18:32<whoami|2>Fuck
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18:33<tavnir>hello
18:34<tavnir>what is the fastest lightweicht linux distro
18:34<amacater>!debian
18:34<dpkg>hmm... debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
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18:35<tavnir>for old laptop
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18:35<amacater>Fastest lightweight? Debian as a base, LXDE / LXQT for a desktop? What's the spec on the laptop?
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18:36<tavnir>512mb ram
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18:36<tavnir>I'll need GUI
18:37<amacater>That's tight on RAM for heavyweight like KDE/Gnome: LXDE / Cinnamon but you might find it tough
18:37<amacater>32 bit?
18:37<tavnir>yes 32bit
18:38<amacater>OK - so most mainstream distros have/are abandoning 32 bit. Debian will support it for Stretch - the next release - but then it will be dropped.
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18:39<amacater>If you can live with command line, you'll do well in that amount of RAM
18:39<eeemsi>amacater: do you have a source for the end of support for 32bit by debian?
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18:40<amacater>Only from release notes and the suggestiion that after Stretch it will be hard to find 32 bit hardware that is less than 10-15 years old
18:41<amacater>The ten year old laptop that's in front of me now has a dead battery in the RTC, for example
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18:41<amacater>And a dead battery such that power management switches it off quickly - every couple of minutes
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18:45<blast007>amacater: are you thinking of this? https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/05/msg00001.html
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19:02<petn-randall>amacater: I think you have to back that claim of i386 being dropped with some source. It's hard to believe Debian to do that since it's the 2nd most used arch AFAIR.
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19:09<amacater>I suspect armhf has as much use as 32 bit i386 these days. The proposal is, I think, for dropping 32 bit after the end of Stretch so for Buster (Debian 10) in a few years
19:09<amacater>Hard to dig that up quickly, but I'll have a look
19:10<amacater>Ubuntu are already talking about dropping 32 bit for 2018 onwards
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19:11<jlaa>Hello, how do i set my browser to run with jack
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20:36<mekeor>can i tell debian-installer to re-use the fully-disk encrypted, LLVM-based partition-table it created itself (because the installer was aborted at some point)?
20:37<mekeor>(i don't want to wait for the installer to write the disk full with random data again)
20:38<ach>come on tell him to mount a LVM
20:40<bremner>mekeor: you can just abort the writing random stuff part, iirc
20:41<mekeor>ah, neat
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22:07<agrecascino>uh
22:07<agrecascino>anyone here
22:08<blast007>lots of people
22:08<blast007>!ask
22:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
22:08<agrecascino>okay like
22:08<agrecascino>so i'm attempting to install lilo
22:08<agrecascino>and so i have my lilo.conf
22:08<agrecascino>and i ran lilo
22:08<agrecascino>and then i immediately kernel panic
22:08<agrecascino>because it can't mount root
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22:11<delx>Wow, I remember lilo..
22:11<delx>Are you installing lilo or elilo?
22:11<delx>Are you trying to do BIOS boot or EFI boot?
22:11<agrecascino>bios
22:11<agrecascino>and regular lilo
22:12<delx>Do you have an initrd? No idea how that even works with lilo.
22:12<delx>Did you try grub?
22:12<delx>It's a bit more automatic so it may just work.
22:13<agrecascino>well yeah
22:13<agrecascino>grub isn't working
22:13<ach>i know in some their is some run for lilo but i forgot it
22:13<agrecascino>the big issue is that lilo appears to be ignoring the initrd option
22:13<delx>lilo can't read filesystems
22:13<ach>oh then it's not what i thought
22:14<g1pi_>agrecascino: check your lilo.conf specifies both root=/dev/something and initrd=/path/to/initrd.gz, and test with "lilo -t -v" before actually installing
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22:21<delx>Does lilo still need the files to be in the first 8GiB of the disk?
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22:25<delx>agrecascino: What problem do you have with grub, that would probably be easier to solve.
22:26<agrecascino>delx, not an xfs inode and read/write outside of paritition
22:26<agrecascino>partition*
22:28<delx>oh damn..
22:28<delx>And there's no possibility to create a small /boot with some other filesystem format?
22:28<delx>It can be on a different disk, even a USB stick
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22:29<agrecascino>can it be after the main part?
22:30<ach>well try apt-get purge lilo apt-get intall lilo
22:31<ach>if you know what i mean
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22:39<agrecascino>delx, how do i make the new partition /boot
22:39<agrecascino>do i just copy the contents over and change the fstab?
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22:41<delx>Do you have an existing installed system? Or are you running the installer?
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22:41<agrecascino>delx, i'm on an existing system
22:42<ach>haha
22:42<ach>and you think you could bust me
22:43<agrecascino>ach, ?
22:43<delx>Do you have any free space that is not being used by an existing partition?
22:43<delx>Unfortunately XFS doesn't support shrinking.
22:44<ach>something funny happend the windows activate shows up again
22:44<ach>fuck you windows update
22:45<ach>yeah well try it with apt-get
22:45<agrecascino>Delta-One, yeah i made an xbox hueg swap partition
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22:45<agrecascino>delx, oops
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22:49<delx>agrecascino: If you have a swap partition then you could delete that and use some of the space for /boot
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22:50<agrecascino>delx, that's what i'm doing right now
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22:53<agrecascino>holy shit it worked
22:53<delx>:D
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22:54<agrecascino>ext3 ftw
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22:55<max>Hello I have a question
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22:57<gry>hi, max
22:59<max>Is it possible to get google chrome on mx linux 32bit
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22:59<gry>would chromium suit you?
23:00<max>I have tried chromium but I dont have the widivindcdrm plugin
23:00<gry>just visit the google chrome linux and download google chrome there
23:01<max>I'll try that. Thank you I am new to linux
23:01<gry>they do not have 32bit though, it is odd, hang on
23:02<gry>they killed 32bit support for linux (http://www.pcworld.com/article/3010404/browsers/googles-killing-chrome-support-for-32-bit-linux-ubuntu-1204-and-debian-7.html for example)
23:02<max>All I am trying to do is watch netflix but I need a plugin in chromium but its not there
23:02<blast007>mx linux is not supported in this channel.
23:03<max>At least I think this is mx-linux. Im not sure
23:03<blast007>https://mxlinux.org/support they have their own forums
23:03<blast007>this channel only supports Debian
23:04<max>Oh I am sorry
23:04<gry>good find, I did not notice that name. thanks blast007
23:04<max>Thank y'all I will poke around their
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23:17<agrecascino>uh
23:17<agrecascino>can someone look up the devuan repo urls?
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23:17<blast007>!devuan
23:17<dpkg>Devuan (https://devuan.org/) is a fork of Debian, meant to avoid dependencies on <systemd>. Not supported in #debian, please see #devuan on chat.freenode.net for support.
23:17<agrecascino> i just need a link and #devuan is pretty dead right now
23:18<agrecascino>like i can't properly access the internet
23:18<blast007>well this is #debian
23:22-!-mode/#debian [+l 760] by debhelper
23:22<ach>see look'n'stop isn't a firewall
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23:27<react>hmm I'll try to find them for you agrecascino
23:27<react>sec
23:29<react>found this agrecascino, https://files.devuan.org/MIRRORS.txt, is that what you're looking for?
23:31<agrecascino>react, thanks
23:31<react>np
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