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---Logopened Wed May 03 00:00:21 2017
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00:03<Ronicus>is the package not listed as gpg ?
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00:08<Ronicus>This makes no sense
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00:09<likcoras>Ronicus: it's 'gnupg'
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00:10<Ronicus>ah thanks likcoras
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00:26<xyzone>Can I request nonfree packages somewhere?
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00:39<somiaj>xyzone: debian provides both contrib and non-free packages, they are just in seperate repos
00:39<somiaj>!non-free
00:39<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
00:40<somiaj>xyzone: you should just need to append 'contrib non-free' to the end of your debian soruces after main
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00:40<somiaj>!non-free sources
00:40<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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00:46<xyzone>somiaj, I know. that's not what I'm asking. I'm asking if packages not in the repos can be requested
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00:48<somiaj>file a Request to package bug
00:48<somiaj>https://wiki.debian.org/RFP
00:48<somiaj>I don't see why you can't do that for non-free packages, but I would make that clear and it may not get much response.
00:50<xyzone>I would think so
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00:51<somiaj>you do have to make sure the non-free license allows debian to redistribute it.
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01:02<mnuhmnuh>xyzone: install anything you want in /usr/src (build from upstream sources), but don't expect Debian to support it if Debian doesn't. Debian may eventually, but no promises.
01:03<xyzone>mnuhmnuh, yes but compiling isn't practical sometimes
01:03<mnuhmnuh>xyzone: install anything you want in /usr/local/src (build from upstream sources), but don't expect Debian to support it if Debian doesn't. Debian may eventually, but no promises.
01:03<mnuhmnuh>xyzone: gee, life's hard. deal with it. you want easy? sorry.
01:04<xyzone>ok dad
01:04<mnuhmnuh>:-)
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01:07<mnuhmnuh>xyzone: it does work. i was using afio for years when Debian was diddling over its "freeness", but make && make install from sourceforge tarballs worked fine.
01:07<xyzone>can't do it on a tiny ssd
01:08<mnuhmnuh>/usr/local is a feature that all Linuxes, incl. Debian handles.
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01:10<mnuhmnuh>xyzone: sure you can. "the cloud" does Linus's backups for him. smaller stuff than that's trivial.
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01:21<mnuhmnuh>xyzone: admittedly, some stuff is way complicated/difficult to learn to build yourself. those you need to bang your head on more than others. meh.
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02:13<stooj>Does anyone know if there is a terminal than can show whitespace as a character? Something like emac's whitespace-mode for a console.
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02:28<mnuhmnuh>stooj: od -c
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02:34<stooj>Hmm... Sorry mnuhmnuh - I maybe wasn't clear. I would like a terminal emulator that will display `ls·-a` when I type `ls -a`
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02:39<stooj>Or can I wrap stdin and stdout in od?
02:40<itd>stooj: Not sure how hard that would be, but: (copy, rename and) modify your current terminal font and replace the whitespace character with something else.
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02:42<stooj>itd: Thanks - I'll have a play around; that might be a feasible option.
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03:14<stooj>Hah! itd - that was a lot easier than I expected and works really well, thanks! I personally hate it, but it might solve the issue :)
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03:41<itd>Is there a semantic difference in including/omitting the '-' in '!tell world -about topic'?
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03:45<jelly>itd: "-about" will not inform the issuer of the command what it did via PM, "about" will
03:46<itd>jelly: Got it, thanks.
03:47<jelly>dpkg, tell itd -about TIAS
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03:48<jelly>"about" shows the content of factoid to you as well. "-about" just tells which factoid it sent. I must have misremembered.
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03:51<itd>jelly: Thanks again. :)
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06:49<thegmanrocks>hi people :)
06:49<thegmanrocks>tell me if I better ask the question to lxc irc, but maybe someone have tried using lxc-attach on unprivileged containers (on debian) my problem seems related to env variable like the path being not correct, so I can't run apt-get install thing for example, has anyone an idea about this ?
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08:05<gtristan>So I just did `apt-get install debootstrap`... on stretch, and it installed something; but I have no `debootstrap` command in my PATH, any idea where it went ?
08:05<Brigo>gtristan, are you root
08:05<Brigo>it is in /usr/sbin/debootstrap
08:06<gtristan>Brigo, ah there it is, I looked in /sbin but forgot to check /usr/sbin
08:06<gtristan>thanks
08:06<Brigo>gtristan, np
08:07<gtristan>Is there more in depth docs than https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap ?
08:07<gtristan>I'm curious if I can selectively decide what top level dependency packages to use
08:07<gtristan>i.e., can I debootstrap without installing every single repo package ?
08:08*gtristan suspects it's normal to do this with a minimal list of packages
08:08<petn-randall>Wouldn't have happened with the /usr merge.
08:08*petn-randall hides.
08:09<gtristan>:)
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08:10<gtristan>Looks like debootstrap has --include, --exclude and --components
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08:10<gtristan>I guess I better just experiment
08:12<delx>petn-randall: Go further! /bin and /sbin should be merged too. Just like Arch :)
08:13<petn-randall>delx: I tend to like to keep them separate, so I don't autocomplete to commands I can't use.
08:13*gtristan thinks /usr merge is mostly interesting for read-only /usr partition
08:14<delx>gtristan: Also that.
08:14*gtristan can also *cough* run ifconfig fine as a regular user
08:14<delx>Was going to say the same thing.
08:14<delx>The /bin and /sbin split seems not useful.
08:15<petn-randall>gtristan: Only for output though. Same for 'route'. Yeah, it's always been this messy.
08:15<delx>For many of same reasons as /usr
08:15<delx>Do we move all these commands from /sbin to /bin when they gain abilities that make them useful to non-root?
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08:17<petn-randall>delx: 'ip' runs fine as non-root and is in /bin/, those are the only two command I can think of that are useful as non-root.
08:17<delx>lsmod
08:18<delx>Sometimes modinfo
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08:18<delx>I do tend to use ip instead of ifconfig and route these days, but they still serve to illustrate the point :)
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08:19<gtristan>Is is possible to use debootstrap and exclude the kernel and init system ?
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08:19<gtristan>like, if you wanted to just create an SDK or runtime
08:20<delx>gtristan: I think by default there is no kernel with debootstrap
08:20<delx>You have to install it if you want one. Also a bootloader.
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08:20<gtristan>ah
08:20<delx>Neither of these are in the base system. Debian-installer adds them for you.
08:20<delx>But if you use debootstrap directly you will not get them.
08:20*gtristan is running a minimal debootstrap, so will discover as I move along
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08:21<gtristan>empty boot directory :)
08:22<gtristan>sweet, that was quick... ok this shows potential for the crazy things I want to do with it :D
08:22<delx>Yeah, debootstrap is great.
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08:48<T99>hey guys i have Debian with the KDE desktop , how to get sound out of the laptop ?
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08:49<T99>i have only sound with my sony headphone at the moment
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08:49<BillKGR>T99, launch alsamixer via console and make sure that the output source isn't muted
08:49<T99>hmm ok
08:49<T99>brb
08:50<T99>1 second
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08:50<lindi->BillKGR: isn't it using pulseaudio?
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08:51<BillKGR>lindi-, I have never used KDE so it might also be pulseaudio or a combination of both
08:52<T99>yep
08:52<T99>thanks guys
08:52<T99>Debian and Linux for ever :)
08:52<T99>it worked :)
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08:53<BillKGR>T99, was is muted in alsamixer or the source wasn't selected on pulseaudio?
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08:54<T99>i don't know
08:54<T99>but it worked :)
08:54<T99>thank you :)
08:54<BillKGR>T99, np :)
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08:55<T99>great IRC network is this
08:55<T99>LINUX is put the fun back in your computer :)
08:56<T99>stupid windows.
08:56<T99>:)
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08:56<BillKGR>Both operating systems are good enough for their indented use, never go full fanatic
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08:57<T99>indeed
08:57<T99>but i use linux operating systems for almost 5 years now
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08:57<T99>then you don't know better :)
08:57<T99>LINUX :)
08:58<T99>speak you later guys.
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09:08<areedi>Will all the binaries in jessie-proposed-updates be recompiled when Debian 8.8 releases this weekend? Or will they just be moved over?
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09:27<pron>i am still not sure if lunix is cheaper to use as work desktop with vpns etc :{
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09:27<pron>time one spends performing satanic rituals to get stuff working is significant still :|
09:28<encomjones>but that is all part of the fun
09:28<pron>work*
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09:29<Stummi>who ever said "linux is cheaper" fooled you
09:29<pron>there is always that free argument
09:29<pron>and always have been
09:30<Stummi>free as in freedom or as in free beer?
09:30<Stummi>linux is free as in freedom. Free as in free beer is it only if your time doesn't has any worth to you
09:30<pron>thats usualy not being told
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09:30<pron>unless its stalmans speach
09:30<pron>or smth
09:30<pron>=)
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09:31<pron>well everyones tiem who cn deal with linux issues usualy is worth something
09:31<pron>:D
09:31<pron>then you multiply that with time spent
09:31<pron>and hey free macbooks everywhere
09:31<pron>!
09:31<pron>:D
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11:12<acald3ron>how can i make pptd server auto start in boot ?
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11:15<duclicsic>acald3ron: tried 'systemctl enable pptpd' ?
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11:17<acald3ron>duclicsic, Synchronizing state for pptpd.service with sysvinit using update-rc.d...
11:17<acald3ron>Executing /usr/sbin/update-rc.d pptpd defaults
11:17<acald3ron>Executing /usr/sbin/update-rc.d pptpd enable
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11:19<itd>acald3ron: Is that a question?
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11:23<acald3ron>i got: service pptpd status that is running.
11:23<duclicsic>well you'll want to test it now right? so you'll want to reboot...
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11:34<acald3ron>duclicsic, thanks it work. i have flush iptables.
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13:24<bedto>Hi, I want to know when kde connect is updated, because since last year the version 1.0 is released and in my desktop no.
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13:26<petn-randall>bedto: 1.0 will be in the next stable release, being stretch.
13:27<bedto>petn-randall you mean debian 9?
13:27<petn-randall>bedto: yes
13:28<bedto>Perfect
13:28<bedto>thanks Randall
13:29<petn-randall>bedto: It should be out some time this summer.
13:29<petn-randall>When It's Ready™
13:29<blast007>The "stable" part of debian at least partially refers to the versions of software not changing within a release. So, with some exceptions, new versions of software aren't added until the next major release.
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13:33<bedto>It's near summer. thanks Randall
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13:35<bedto>Thanks Blast007, I don't knew why stable is debian, now I understand I made unstable debian
13:35<bedto>jajajajajaja
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13:39<bedto>How can i be consultant in my country? Which are the requirements?
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13:40<petn-randall>bedto: Consultant in which sense?
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13:41<larjona>bedto: https://www.debian.org/consultants/info
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13:42<larjona>That's for appearing in the list in the Debian website. You can still be consultant with your own requirements too.
13:42<larjona>(If you don't care about appearing in the list of consultants in the Debian website)
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13:43<bedto>Randall: Offer my profesional services, in install and suport the software
13:43<bedto>Thanks larjona
13:45<bedto>Larjona, for me it's ok appear in debian website
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14:05<grim>hello gents
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14:07<grim>yo guys
14:07<grim>im gay
14:07<grim>SIKE BOI
14:07<BillKGR>what a time to be alive
14:07<grim>hell yea
14:07<koollman>that's not an interesting characteristic here. what's your prefered editor, now ... that's the real thing
14:08<mtn>heh
14:08<BillKGR>sublime here
14:08<mtn>sublime is gay????
14:08<BillKGR>if grim says so
14:09<grim>lol
14:09<sney>!ot
14:09<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
14:09<grim>i didnt even expect anyone to respond to that
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14:09<grim>i just said it as a joke
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14:10<grim>is anyone using Kali here?
14:10<BillKGR>hacking questions incoming
14:10<grim>naha
14:10<grim>nah
14:10<grim>i just wanted to know
14:10<sney>if you guys don't have debian support questions you should probably join #moocows instead
14:10<sney>this isn't a chat channel
14:10<sney>eventually you'll get muted if you keep it up
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15:23<klez>Hi all, I'm having a dependencies problem which I seem unable to resolve. Here https://pastebin.com/B69sFEUK is the output from aptitude. This doesn't happen on another machine I have jessie installed on. Any pointer? Thank you all
15:27<encomjones>do you have any 3rd party repos enabled ?
15:27<encomjones>and your problem lies right here libgl1-mesa-dev : Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx (= 10.3.2-1+deb8u1) but 13.0.6-1~bpo8+1 is installed.
15:27<klez>nope, just free, non-free and backports
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15:28<klez>yes, I see that's the problem, but trying to uninstall that uninstall most of the system (from xorg up)
15:28<klez>is 13.0.6 from backport?
15:30<encomjones>possible or you had testing or unstable enabled
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15:31<klez>encomjones, this is my sources file https://pastebin.com/ANhgnGKN
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15:32<encomjones>yeah just backports in there
15:34<klez>is there a way to know which installed packages come from backports?
15:36<TobiX>klez: apt-show-versions
15:36<encomjones>yeah somehow you got Stretch's version of libgl1-mesa-glx
15:37<encomjones>the fact that is has bpo8 means it is a backport
15:38<Walex>klez: it is a bit complicated. When a package is installed which archive it came from is not recorded.
15:38<klez>uhm...
15:38<klez>for now thanks all, I'll have to investigate this further
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15:39<Walex>klez: however, if you do 'apt-cachw show ...' *often* backported packages have some distinctive attribute, like that "bpo" in the name someone mentioned.
15:39<TobiX>klez: The problme here is that you have parts of mesa from backports installed, now you try to install something new which needs a new mesa package, which is resolved from stable...
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15:40<TobiX>klez: Maybe try "apt install -t jessie-backports libgl1-mesa-dev"
15:41<klez>TobiX, at this point I'm installing libsfml-dev from backports, I don't care about the version
15:41<TobiX>Ah, that would also work ;)
15:41<klez>thanks anyway for your help, tonight I learned my system is messed up badly :)
15:42<encomjones>not horribly bad
15:42<encomjones>just needs some fixing
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15:42<klez>encomjones, even python seems to come from backports now
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15:44<klez>encomjones, here https://pastebin.com/rHVBQ3Sb
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15:44<encomjones>everything does cause stable it stale when it is released
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15:45<klez>I don't even remember why I'm using backports anymore
15:47<encomjones>i use it for a few packages
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16:13<Komputerfreak>hi, what's up?
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17:59<Bubblelover06>Hello
18:00<Komputerfreak>hi
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18:00<Bubblelover06>do you like minecraft
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18:01<Bubblelover06>Anyone like minecraft
18:02<Bubblelover06>Hello
18:02<Bubblelover06>anyone like minecraft
18:02<blast007>!chat
18:02<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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20:25<inkbottle>If a package fails to upgrade, bug severity is important or serious?
20:26<inkbottle>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=837036 this suggests serious
20:26<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/837036 in gitolite3 (closed, upstream, sid, fixed-upstream): «gitolite3: uninstallable without . in @INC»; severity: serious; opened: 2016-09-08; last modified: 2016-10-12.
20:26<inkbottle>serious description speaks only about policy...
20:26<inkbottle>Sooo... I'm not sure...
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20:27<inkbottle>the bug above is only an example
20:28<inkbottle>where they say severity: serious because "Justification: uninstallable"
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20:39<inkbottle>Because I have to say what "must" or "required" directive that would violate; actually I have to give the section in the manual...
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20:41<somiaj>depends on why it fails to upgrade. Failing to upgrade from a jessie version to a stretch version is an rc bug, so serious
20:41<somiaj>failing to upgrade some version that is no longer in debian to the current version might only be serious.
20:42<somiaj>sorry important.
20:42<somiaj>I think there is policy about packages being upgradable under most circumstances, (i.e. reproducable)
20:43<inkbottle>somiaj: it is failing to install from (sorry) testing to testing
20:43<inkbottle>I didn't thought the testing vs stable would come here
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20:44<somiaj>Can you reproudce it, does it only fail from some version that is no longer in testing, so it really only affects people currently using testing? To me it sounds important, because I don't see it as being an RC bug.
20:44<somiaj>does it only fail under a very specific setup, naimly the one you are using?
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20:45<inkbottle>oH, yes; but RC bugs are critical
20:45<somiaj>I thought serious was an rc bug
20:45<somiaj>but important is not.
20:47<inkbottle>I think it might be serious (the failure to upgrade); and it fits the reason you gave above "upgradable under most circumstances"
20:47<inkbottle>I have to find the section
20:49<inkbottle>I think I'll put it to important, it will be easier
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20:50<somiaj>note, if it only affects upgrade from an older version that is no longer in testing, but it upgrades from jessie just fine, I would not make it an rc bug
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20:52<inkbottle>No, it is not this case, it is the "bad" case, where it affects everybody
20:53<inkbottle>but I wont find the "section", so I say important only
20:53<inkbottle>the maintainer will put it to serious if he wants
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20:55<inkbottle>somiaj: but it seems, looking that bug (837036), that justification "uninstallable" makes the bug serious
20:56<inkbottle>But I do "important" nevertheless
20:56<somiaj>the matainers will change the priority as they see fit, so it is okay if you aren't right. Classify it based on what you think it is
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21:10<inkbottle>reportbug --mode=standard ask for a section number in the debian policy manual; typing "serious" with a keyboard is not an option
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21:38<nr>Hey guys. I'm running Debian Jessie and trying to install flash-nonfree. Due to Adobe moving things around the scripts can't wget the .tar.gz from Adobe, but I can do it manually. How do I feed my flash.tar.gz someplace where the flash-nonfree.deb can find it?
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21:43<w00dsman>there's a workaround, but afaik it's not in the deb itself
21:44<w00dsman>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=851066
21:44<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/851066 in flashplugin-nonfree (open, security, stretch-ignore): «flashplugin-nonfree: Mismatch between detected and available versions (Download file not available at people.debian.org)»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-01-11; last modified: 2017-04-30.
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21:44<w00dsman>look for message #30
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21:48<nr>OK, unpacked the .deb and fixed the script to point to a fixed folder and I have placed the adobe flash tar.gz there. Do I just tar.gz the folder back and then run dpkg -i ?
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21:58<tayrone>hi
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21:59<w00dsman>i meant the part where you just install it normally, then unpack the actual adobe targz and manually copy the libflashplayer.so to where it's supposed to go
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22:01<nr>w00dsman: Yeah, I just did that, it worked! Thanks for the suggestion. My way was hacking the .deb a bit
22:01<w00dsman>no problemo
22:02<fpro>hello, I'm in the process of stapling together a new computer. Should I setup LVM for an SSD?
22:02<nr>fpro: Desktop?
22:02<fpro>yes
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22:02<nr>fpro: IMO LVM seems like overkill. Just go with ext4 . I assume your data is stored elsewhere and this is just OS/applications?
22:03<fpro>I'm going to use kernel 4.10 because the processor is a ryzen 1700 if that makes any difference
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22:04<fpro>the ssd is the only hard drive
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22:04<nr>fpro: Sorry for suggesting the obvious, have a good backup system. I'm not seeing anything in what you're suggesting that'd benefit from LVM
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22:05<fpro>nr: alright :) I wasn't sure either
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22:07<nr>fpro: Take a look at FreeNAS for some kind of longer term storage solution. It uses ZFS which is amazing and Network-Attached-Storage IMO should be the norm for everyone since computers, SSDs, HDDs can fail without warning
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22:09<delx>fpro: I like using LVM for all desktops
22:09<delx>It gives you the flexibility to later on create a separate fs for say /var/lib/docker
22:09<fpro>I'm eventually going to throw in a 1tb hard drive for backups/downloads and things. this is going to be my every day machine
22:10<delx>Assuming you're using ext4 on top of the LVM you can then grow/shrink these logical volumes at will
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22:10<delx>IMO the only downside is a little extra complexity during setup.
22:10<fpro>any downside to having just a single partition?
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22:12<delx>Less flexibility.
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22:12<delx>If you decide you want docker, or postgres, etc on a separate filesystem you have to edit your partition table
22:13<delx>All your partitions have to be contiguous on disk, and changing the layout requires a reboot.
22:13<delx>Eg if I have [root, var, home, docker, postgres]
22:13<delx>Assume there's free space somewhere on the disk
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22:14<delx>If I'm using LVM I can shrink or grow any of these without moving any data or rebooting.
22:14<delx>I don't even have to unmount the fs
22:15<somiaj>fpro: give and takes, single partition is easier to manage, but harder to deal with if you want to reinstall.
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22:19<delx>Do you envision wanting to put files on multiple filesystems and shrink/grow them? Are you thinking of adding extra disks and do you want these to all appear as a single logical filesystem?
22:19<delx>If so, consider LVM
22:19<delx>If those things sound like too much effort, or not useful to you, then use a regular partition :)
22:20<somiaj>I personally use two partitions, / and /home, just to seperate my user data from system data.
22:20<somiaj>There is lots of different ways to do things, and a lot depends on design and use case.
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22:38<fpro>I've never really thought about it. at the moment I just want a stable setup :)
22:39<somiaj>single partition is the simplest and won't require any other tools like lvm
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22:43<fpro>does kernel 4.10 need to be manually built?
22:43<somiaj>at this time yes, if using jessie 4.9 I think will be the last kernel supplied to it via jessie-backports
22:44<somiaj>stretch will release with 4.9, but after the release, newer kernels will be provided to stretch via stretch-backports
22:44<somiaj>unusre if any kernels will be supplied to jessie via jessie-sloppy-backports
22:45<fpro>woohoo. I've never done this before, time to really funk stuff up
22:48<somiaj>I would just use the 4.9 kernel, most won't need anything in the 4.10 kernel at this time.
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22:51<fpro>the cpu is a ryzen 1700, which 4.10 apparently has the best support for
22:52<fpro>my goal is to run qemu eventually with another unmentionable os for games
22:53<fpro>I dont do the game stuff enough to merit going back to that mess
22:55<somiaj>that is fine, I think stretch is barely getting to have all the libaries needed to give a vm full access of a video card.
22:55<somiaj>steam offers many games for linux and wine works in some cases.
22:56<somiaj>If you are a little more picky about the games you get, you can game in linux okay.
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22:59<fpro>I've already tried to run it in wine but I haven't had any luck. but pci passthrough looks promising
23:00<fpro>which I want to try once my new machine has been stapled togethert
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