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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-05-06

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01:33<anshul>hi
01:33<anshul>first time here
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01:35<hitman>anyone
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02:20<lechatnoir>So I've still got a blinkered video card (radeon) and 1 very poorly installed shiny new kernel.
02:20<lechatnoir>(Panic at boot -- couldn't mount root FS.)
02:21<lechatnoir>For some reason there doesn't seem to be an initrd generated for it...
02:21<somiaj>this was with using 'make deb-pkg' from the kernel soruce?
02:22<lechatnoir>somiaj: No. make-kpkg
02:22<somiaj>and when you isntalled the .deb it didn't gernate the intrid? I vaguley recall make-kpkg having a flag for the intrid, did you include that?
02:23<lechatnoir>somiaj: It's been about a decade since I've built anything. No, I didn't specify to build an initrd. Sort of assumed that might happen.
02:23<lechatnoir>Let's see what make deb-pkg does... That's a kernel target now, correct?
02:23<somiaj>look at man make-kpkg and the --initrd option, seems that is required to put the hooks in the install scripts
02:24<somiaj>yes if you have all the build tools installed, you should just make menuconfig, and once it is configured, make deb-pkg
02:24<somiaj>as I said that is far more matained these days, unsure how quickly make-kpkg keeps up with changes in the build process.
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02:25<lechatnoir>somiaj: Right. I'm just trying to get back up to speed here.
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02:26<lechatnoir>Lessee what happens when I run make deb-pkg....
02:27<lechatnoir>Oh dear, it's doing make clean. This ... could be a while then
02:28<lechatnoir>BTW, recipe for crashing video is: Boot into Xorg, log in to Cinnamon desktop, launch two terms (top and .xsession-errors). Fire off glxgears
02:28<lechatnoir>Takes ~10 - 30s to start glitching.
02:28<lechatnoir>And ... make seems to be creating a tarball, which is promising. That should save roughly 183 minutes of compile time....
02:29<lechatnoir>... or not, as I see CC and AS happening. Sigh.
02:30<lechatnoir>I did remember to pass on '-j 4' this time. (Yes, on a Core Duo -- I'm an optimist, if not an optimiserist.)
02:32<lechatnoir>I also got to skip all those pesky config questions this time...
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02:36<lechatnoir>And it appears that we're not compiling every bloody architecture this time....
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02:38<lechatnoir>is there a decent console-mode passsword safe for Debian? I've installed passwordsafe, but that's GUI.
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02:42<lechatnoir>Purged that bad kernel....
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02:44<lechatnoir>(sorry)
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03:04<priyobrata>hiii
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03:12<lechatnoir>Still compiling
03:12<lechatnoir>Also still trying to (re)learn how to drive irssi
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03:13<Komputerfreak>does irssi support ssl?
03:14<Komputerfreak>seems it does
03:14<lechatnoir>Komputerfreak: Yes.
03:14<Komputerfreak>cool
03:14<lechatnoir>Komputerfreak: You've got to specify it in your configfile though.
03:14<lechatnoir>I'm trying to sort how to get it to set/specify nicks as I join servers. Also thought that I could be on two or more servers at the same time, though I'm not getting that sorted.
03:15<lechatnoir>OFTC seems to have the active #debian chat, but #xorg, #ati, and #radeon are at freenode.
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03:16<lechatnoir>You can specify your connection and nick on the commandline, but not (AFAICT) in the configfile. Which is _very_ poorly documented.
03:17<Komputerfreak>i tried irssi in the past, but I remember having configuration issues as well
03:17<lechatnoir>Komputerfreak: I mostly have an old session on another box which ... does what I want it to do though I couldn't tell you why or how.
03:17<lechatnoir>bbiam
03:18<awal1>weechat more featured
03:18<Komputerfreak>mabe you could use screen to switch between multiple irssi instances
03:20<Komputerfreak>does weechat support the console? if yes i will give it a try
03:21<strm>not by default
03:21<strm>via script though, yes
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03:27<Komputerfreak>ok i will take a look later
03:27<Komputerfreak>thanks
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03:33<lechatnoir>Komputerfreak: Well, I've got screen running now _anyway_, though yeah, there's that.
03:34<lechatnoir>Ah: ^X to toggle servers. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/irssi
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03:41<lechatnoir>I'm now confusing myself
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04:32<maxior>Hi
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07:47<lin_>how do i decrypt a luks during the debian istallation? i cannot find the crpytsetup command
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07:58<Ionic>I'm going crazy... I'm trying to create a debian chroot managed by schroot on a CentOS 7 box. debootstrapping worked fine, but if I enter the chroot via schroot -c and reconfigure all packages, changes to /etc/group are gone when I next go into the chroot
07:59<Ionic>other settings, like the timezone, stick, though
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08:01<Ionic>ah, sounds like https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=565613
08:01<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/565613 in schroot (open, moreinfo): «overwrites customized /etc/passwd and /etc/group»; severity: important; opened: 2010-01-17; last modified: 2013-03-22.
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08:17<Ionic>and setting setup.nssdatabases is supposed to get rid of that copying according to schroot-faq
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09:30<gayanw>If I'm to setup auto mounting of removable devices on my newly installed netinstall Debian, what package you guys do recommend, pmount, usbmount, udisks .. ?
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09:33<hardwin>hi folks
09:34<hardwin>Are there any web developers here?
09:35<blast007>do you have a specific Debian support question?
09:35<hardwin>nope
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11:12<guardian>hello I have a noob question: what are iso hybrid images? compared to standard isos?
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11:12<debianfan>hey everybody
11:13<zykotic10>guardian: hybrid images can be used on both CD/DVD media as well as USB flash media.
11:13<debianfan>wich .deb file i must download for the firmware for the WIFI from debian.org ? i have debian jessie the latest with the KDE plasma desktop
11:14<guardian>non hybrid images can't be used on USB?
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11:15<debianfan>i tried this file : firmware-iwlwifi_0.43_all.deb and then as root dpkg -i , but it does't work
11:15<guardian>does "can be used" mean booting, writing files to disk / persisting them to USB ?
11:15<zykotic10>guardian: not natively, some conversion is required.
11:15<lindi->debianfan: that depends on your wifi hardware model
11:16<debianfan> HexChat: 2.10.1 ** OS: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64 ** Distro: Debian 8.7 ** CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-6006U CPU @ 2.00GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 380MHz ** RAM: Physical: 3,6GiB, 80,3% free ** Disk: Total: 454,6GiB, 86,3% free ** VGA: 8086:1916 ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH ** Ethernet: 10ec:8136 ** Uptime: 5m 36s **
11:16<lindi->debianfan: that does not say anything about wifi
11:16<debianfan>i know
11:16<debianfan>i thought maybe it helps
11:16<musca>guardian: hybrid-images do contain a full filesystem. There is no writeable space left.
11:17<musca>!hybrid iso
11:17<dpkg>Since the 6.0 "Squeeze" release, Debian installation images for x86 systems - e.g. <netinst>, <CD1>, DVD1 - are hybrid images. These can be written directly to CD or HD Media (e.g. USB thumbdrive) without further preparation. See http://www.debian.org/News/project/2010/14/#hybrid for details. See also <install debian>, <usb install>.
11:17<debianfan>lindi , you know how i can find information about my wifi adapter in my debian ?
11:17<lindi->debianfan: lspci
11:17<debianfan>ok i try.
11:18<guardian>musca: thanks, so it's all about the content of the iso making it possible to boot from usb, am I getting this right?
11:18<debianfan>lindi:
11:18<debianfan>00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Device 1904 (rev 08)
11:18<debianfan>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 1916 (rev 07)
11:18<debianfan>00:04.0 Signal processing controller: Intel Corporation Device 1903 (rev 08)
11:18<debianfan>00:14.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation Device 9d2f (rev 21)
11:18<debianfan>00:14.2 Signal processing controller: Intel Corporation Device 9d31 (rev 21)
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11:19<musca>guardian: yes. theese images contain a partitioning schema. including UEFI system partition and whatnot.
11:19<debianfan>i'm sorry :)
11:19<debianfan>i made pastebin : https://pastebin.com/wynvWNBZ
11:19<guardian>musca: thanks
11:20<lindi->debianfan: IRC doesn't really support pasting multiple lines
11:20<debianfan>most IRC networks not indeed lindi :)
11:20<lindi->debianfan: so you have RTL8188EE wifi
11:20<debianfan>see the pastebin lindi: https://pastebin.com/wynvWNBZ
11:20<debianfan>ok
11:21<debianfan>and you know how to activate the RTL8188EE lindi ?
11:22<lindi->debianfan: firmware-realtek is probably what you need
11:22<debianfan>ok
11:22<debianfan>i can download it from debian.org lindi ?
11:22<debianfan>thanks for your help btw
11:22<lindi->debianfan: I recommend using apt-get
11:22<debianfan>ok i try
11:23<guardian>is there a difference in terms of what's installed between debootstrap and debian installer?
11:23<debianfan>hmm what is the name of the package you think lindi ?
11:23<lindi->guardian: there is
11:23<lindi->debianfan: it's "firmware-realtek"
11:23<debianfan>ok :)
11:23<lindi->debianfan: see https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-realtek
11:23<guardian>lindi-: do you know how I can find out which differences there are?
11:23<debianfan>thank you :)
11:23<lindi->debianfan: I hope you understand that this is non-free stuff which is not officially part of debian
11:24<debianfan>ok.
11:24<lindi->guardian: I don't know a way to get a complete list unfortunately
11:24<debianfan>this laptop is brand new lindi :)
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11:24<musca>!tell guardian -about debootstrap
11:24<debianfan>i destroyed windows 10 with put the secure boot on disable and put the secure boot keys on disable too in my BIOS
11:25<debianfan>i run linux for almost 4 years , i don't like windows.
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11:28<debianfan>lindi , this is what happend when i did dpkg -i with the firmware-realtek .deb package: https://pastebin.com/ctAu3tHh
11:29<itd>dpkg: localized errors
11:29<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install»
11:29<itd>debianfan: ^
11:29<debianfan>yes itd ?
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11:31<itd>debianfan: ^ == Please read the message above.
11:31<lindi->itd is assuming that your irc client shows most recent messages at the bottom :)
11:31<debianfan>ok i understand itd
11:31<debianfan>i going to reboot now.
11:32<debianfan>to see if it worked :)
11:32<debianfan>be right back.
11:32<debianfan>and thanks alot for the help
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11:34<itd>lindi-: Oh, good point! :)
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11:38<debianfan>thanks alot lindi and itd :)
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11:38<debianfan>wifi works :)
11:39<debianfan>thanks alot lindi-
11:39<debianfan>:)
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11:39<debianfan>with the - is your nick :)
11:40<debianfan>wifi is working , always good help on this irc network of debian
11:41<debianfan>i going to eat , i will rejoin in a few hours.
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12:06<liqudddd>Hi. Im on debian jessie cinnamon. How can I clear all user data from this OS, if I wanna seel my PC without changing OS ? Like user configs, clear /home directory (but not delete it), skype credentials,and so on ? Thanks
12:06<liqudddd>sell*
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12:10<itd>liqudddd: Why not deleting your user and (then) your home directory?
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12:11<liqudddd>itd Ah, I see. Will that clear everything personal from the OS ? If i remember correctly,you can create a new home directory when you create another user,right ?
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12:12<LinuxIsFreedom>hi
12:12<itd>liqudddd: Each user has its own directory in /home, yes.
12:12<liqudddd>itd thanks
12:13<itd>liqudddd: (Depending on your paranoia you should consider using something like secure-delete from a live boot to delete everything and reinstall debian afterwards.)
12:14<liqudddd>Yes, was thinking of that too, but also my lazyness in this matter equals my paranoia. But hey, i might actually do it. Thanks again
12:14<LinuxIsFreedom>does secure-delete overwrite everyting with random data?
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12:16<itd>LinuxIsFreedom: Either that or something similar (try reading the output of `apt-cache show secure-delete`).
12:18<itd>liqudddd: Then do it. Better (a bit) safe(er) than sorry. ;)
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12:26<FLD>news says 8.8 is released but i guess it takes a while for it to hit all the mirrors?
12:26<LinuxIsFreedom>probably
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12:32<winb___>My laptop will not wake up from suspend mode when I open my lid. I can not wake it with any buttons. How can I fix this?
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12:32<winb___>This happen both in Debian and Ubuntu. I have reset my bios settings
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12:33<winb___>It will suspend when I close the lid, but i can't seem to wake it up again
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12:37<itd>winb___: What happens when you try to turn you laptop on again (with a short press off the power button)?
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13:33<guardian>is there a quick tl;dr summary on apt-get vs aptitude vs apt?
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13:42<itd>dpkg: tell guardian -about why aptitude
13:42<itd>dpkg: tell guardian -about why not aptitude
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13:50<amacater>apt has largely replaced apt-get ; difference between apt and aptitude is largely dependency resolver details
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13:56<uso>is there a way to forcibly shot down a service with systemd?
13:57<uso>--force seems to have no effect with systemctl stop
13:57<uso>s/shot/shut/ :)
13:58<uso>shot down would be goot too, though :)
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14:00<localhorst>most relevant difference: aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers!
14:00<somiaj>you could just kill the service. systemd may restart it, but maybe it would respond better
14:00<itd>uso: Maybe 'systemctl kill foo.service'? :)
14:01<somiaj>aptitude has better search capabilities and a curses gui (as differences from apt)
14:01<uso>somiaj,itd: it's a socket service
14:01<localhorst>Maybe I've never used aptitude the right way but I can find more results with apt-cache than with aptitude.
14:01<somiaj>then mask the service, it won't trigger on the socket.
14:02<somiaj>localhorst: apt-cache searches names and descriptions, while aptitude only names by default
14:02<somiaj>aptitude has way more filters though. https://aptitude.alioth.debian.org/doc/en/ch02s04s05.html
14:02<itd>uso: shutdown as in 'disable on boot' or shutdown as in 'end a running process'?
14:03<uso>itd: shutdown as 'to be able to start it again without booting the system'
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14:14<uso>ok, it's working now, so my guess is systemd does not properly shut down the socket, so I have to wait for the socket timeout before I can reuse it, making systemctl restart useless
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14:35<winb___>itd: nothing
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14:38<guardian>thanks itd
14:38<guardian>& amacater
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14:53<musca>guardian: debian release notes do suggest to use apt-get for the process of upgrading to a new release
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14:55<musca>because users achieve the results more predictably, i think
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14:56<guardian>oh ok
14:56<guardian>thanks for telling me
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14:57<musca>!release notes
14:57<dpkg>Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes . See also <wheezy->jessie>, <install guide>.
14:58<guardian>is it possible to apt-get install zfs-dkms with netinst iso?
14:59<sney>like, inside the netinst environment? I don't think so, because dkms requires a build environment
14:59<guardian>this afternoon I read tutorial explaining how to install ZFS on rootfs but they all debootstrap. I was curious whether it was possible to have a shell with debian installer, partition myself, install zfs-dkms package then let installer finish
15:00<sney>you could probably build the modules on a separate debian system and copy them over, along with the zfs/spl util packages, maybe
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15:00<sney>debootstrap is pretty straightforward though so this is just adding complexity
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15:02<guardian>I'm still unsure what debian installer installs vs debootstrp
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15:04<sney>the installed product is essentially identical, the debian installer just runs some utilities on top of it
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15:14<guardian>I have a different kind of question
15:14<guardian>I'm looking into upgrading a box that is running wheezy. Back then I intalled etckeeper
15:14<guardian>in 2014, I committed the following change: added 'mkdir -p /var/run/php5-fpm' to /etc/init.d/php5-fpm
15:14<guardian>does anyone remember why when upgrading from squeeze to wheezy one had to manually mkdir /var/run/php5-fpm?
15:15<guardian>how would you harvest e.g. the debian bugtracker to know more?
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15:32<Demian>'Good evening, folks - looking for osme advice as I am flabbergasted. I recently had some issues with my network and thus double chekced the /interfaces. Now, I don't know what is exactly wrng hre, but for my wifi connexction I _always_ have to run sudo dhlient -r && sudo dclient wlan0 beforew i can get to the internet, despite succesfully connecting to a wifi network (I have tested two differnet wireless network). I think I had the same with eth0 but did
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15:34<localhorst>guardian: /var/run is a symlink to /run. /run is mounted as tmpfs and empty when booting. Folders are created by systemd or your service after booting or when the service is starting.
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15:36<localhorst>guardian: It was a release goal for wheezy to make /run a tmpfs for volatile files. So either yout init file has to mkdir it's run file or systemd does that.
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15:39<localhorst>guardian: If your package doesn't create it's own run dir, which it hopefully does by now, you can manually add the mkdir in the init file or you preferably can create a specific file in /etc/tmpfiles.d/ to instruct systemd to create the directory.
15:40<guardian>it seems on stretch, the system creates /run/php7.0-fpm in which there's the .sock fiel
15:40<musca>Demian: IRC 255 character limit cut your message after ... same with eth0 but did
15:42<localhorst>guardian: I think some services didn't account for the /run change or you installed php from another repository so you needed to add a mkdir. Somehow I needed to add an entry inside tmpfiles.d for mysql.
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15:43<localhorst>guardian: If in stretch the package creates everything by default you don't need to add an mkdir anymore.
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15:44<guardian>stretch being around the corner I'm tempted to go from wheezy to stretch (with an intermediate dist-upgrade to jessie) but consolidate and assert everything works for stretch
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16:08<Demian>musca: Oh, I just mentioned that I had somethinw similar with eth0 but didn't try in the last couple days :/
16:13<lna->The new Debian 8.8 will be out in 20 minutes i read
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16:13<somiaj>8.8 isn't too new, if you have been keeping up on security patches you should be running close to that anyways.
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16:14<lna->somiaj: ah alright
16:14<somiaj>!point release
16:14<dpkg>Point releases are updates to <stable> and <oldstable>, incorporating security fixes and resolving grave bugs. You can upgrade to the latest point release by referencing a Debian <mirror> in /etc/apt/sources.list, then "aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade". See <8.7>, <7.11>. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases/PointReleases
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20:04<bobpaw>hallo
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20:05<bobpaw>I was wondering where I should go to ask about using the 'talk' command locally/join #bobpawisrad
20:05<bobpaw>hello
20:05<bobpaw>how am i
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21:32-!-themill changed the topic of #debian to: Debian Stretch frozen 2017-02-05; /msg dpkg stretch freeze; /msg dpkg jessie->stertch; /msg dpkg install stretch | Stable: Debian Jessie /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg 8.8; /msg dpkg install jessie | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog
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21:47<yulax>there is a typo in the title
21:47<yulax>msg dpkg jessie->stertch;
21:47<yulax>what is this stertch?
21:47<yulax>is it a new beer brand?~
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21:53<xgstudio>Hello~
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22:02<themill>yulax: yeah, just noticed; thanks
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22:05<iKarith>stertch, the next Debian release. Follows up jeesie :)
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22:12<yulax>Bus;Rest;Box;Jambon;Kitchen sink;Tater;Foosty;Sergeant;Ech;Many;Wheeze;Sneeze;Cheesy;Stertch;Mustard;Blueseye;Sickd
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22:57<Keled>que saben hacer
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