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00:07*^Satyr^ mutters about ext4 being default FS
00:07<^Satyr^>hmm, Debian doesn't set up /boot as seperate from / by default?
00:08<AlexLikeRock_>nop
00:08<^Satyr^>how solid is btrfs these days? been a while since I followed it
00:08<AlexLikeRock_>you can make a seperate partition by you own
00:09<^Satyr^>I'm going to run this up the 'default paths' for now. But I am going to change the fs defaults
00:09<^Satyr^>(as in fs-type)
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00:10<^Satyr^>tempted to move to btrfs. Tried it when it was beta and it seemed nice enough
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00:13<somiaj>^Satyr^: it is usable, some still think it needs more time. I suggest sticking with ext4 as it is comparable for many things.
00:14<somiaj>So higher chance of loosing data than ext4, but still fairly relaiable (or low chance of data loss)
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00:15<^Satyr^>I found xfs to be solid enough
00:21<somiaj>zfsonlinux is the current one I see lots of talk about
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03:00<ACTRN>hi guys
03:01<ACTRN>i need help with a simple script .sh
03:01<txtd>About to go to bed. Ask quick!
03:01<ACTRN>if i run it from double click, after script finish the terminal closed.... how can i do to have terminal open after istruction ?
03:02<ACTRN>i use debian 8 lxde
03:02<ACTRN>this is simple script test
03:02<ACTRN>nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24 | tee /home/user/Scrivania/nmap_result.txt && sleep 30
03:02<txtd>'read' th ebash built-in function (man bash-builtins), can do this.
03:03<txtd>*'read', the bash built-in...*
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03:03<ACTRN>man bash-builtins ?
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03:04<txtd>read -p "Press enter to continue"
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03:05<ACTRN>how can i put it in the script ?
03:05<ACTRN>nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24 | tee /home/user/Scrivania/nmap_result.txt && sleep 30
03:08<Komputerfreak>append
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03:10<txtd>'man' is the console manual page viewer. 'bash-builltins' is a manual page available in the viewer. If you go to the command line and type 'man bash-builtins' you can see the documentation on the 'read' built-in function to learn what switches control its behavior.
03:12<ACTRN>closed again.....
03:12<ACTRN>:-(
03:14<ACTRN>nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24 | tee /home/user/Scrivania/nmap_result.txt && read -p "press enter to continue"
03:14<ACTRN>?
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03:15<Komputerfreak>try it in a terminal
03:16<ACTRN>after done close terminal....
03:16<txtd>You will be better off running this from a shell (aka terminal aka console) window until it is doing what you want, so you can see whatever errors it is generating before they leave the screen.
03:17<ACTRN>in the terminal work....
03:18<ACTRN>ok, if i add #!bin/bash now ask me " press button to conitnue
03:18<ACTRN>but i can't continue in the terminal session....
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03:19<txtd>Nighty night... gotta go now.
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03:19<ACTRN>Komputerfreak, after finished script close terminal
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03:34<spacebug^>ACTRN: for gnome-terminal you can do somehting like: gnome-terminal -x /bin/bash -c "/bin/ls & /bin/bash"
03:36<spacebug^>ACTRN: or for xterm: xterm -e '/bin/bash -c /bin/ls & /bin/bash'
03:36<ACTRN>xterm / lxterminal ?
03:36<ACTRN>after that i put my istruction ???
03:36<spacebug^>you put your script instead of /bin/ls
03:37<ACTRN>ok, i try it now
03:37<spacebug^>xterm -e '/bin/bash -c /path/to/your/script & /bin/bash'
03:37<ACTRN>thank you
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03:37<ACTRN>i need to have a single script that do all istruction after double click
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03:39<ACTRN>i see, seems to work but, i need " terminal still open " because i need to get istruction of "sh script " with up key!
03:39<ACTRN>in this way i can modify after lunch for different istruction
03:40<ACTRN>without write entire script again!
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03:40<ACTRN>in your example, work but i can't reach script istruction....
03:40<spacebug^>I'm not sure about what you ask for
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03:43<grove>ACTRN: When you doubleclick a script (what DE are you using by the way?) no shell is started (your script might start one, but that will be for it), there's nothing that can keep running to make the windowmanager realise the window shouldn't be closed.
03:44<ACTRN>can we do simple script that "after double click" stamp on terminal the istruction only ???
03:44<Komputerfreak>if you want to modify the script, just copy the file ...
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03:46<grove>ACTRN: I recall (from when I used DE's, but that was years ago) seeing "run in terminal" as an option for a shortcut, that will make the DE start the terminal which might give you the effect you're looking for
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03:50<Komputerfreak>if think the terminal is closed because of eof
03:50<spacebug^>running my line the xterm stays open after the command has run
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03:52<Komputerfreak>yes but i think the bash you call is closed
03:52<Komputerfreak>so there is no way to go up with the arrow keys
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03:53<spacebug^>oh, missed that part of the question
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03:57<grove>spacebug^: Understandable, it wasn't in the original question, ACTRN just mentioned it later, and I maintain the belief that what he's trying to do is fundamentally impossible
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04:00<spacebug^>so what ACTRN needs is history for non-interactive shell commands ran in a new window? Does not seem so easy but this pages has some help about it: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14204556/history-of-non-interactive-shell-commands
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04:01<spacebug^>but that wil not make up arrow work, just a list of the histry of commands.. hum
04:01<Komputerfreak>maybe feed the lines of the script to an interactive shell line by line?
04:04<Komputerfreak>is there a way to create some hybrid input from a file and the keyboard?
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04:58<Komputerfreak>another question is if this is really necessary ...
04:58<Komputerfreak>seems a lot of effort for an easy-to-replace feature
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05:24<ACTRN>hi Komputerfreak
05:25<ACTRN>i have an old hp 6530b and i installed debian 8 lxde
05:25<ACTRN>work good but no wireless detected....
05:25<ACTRN>can you help me ?
05:25<ACTRN>i see the forum http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/getting-the-internal-wireless-card-on-hp-6530b-laptop-to-work-on-debian-2-6-24-4-a-688958/
05:26<ACTRN>i download firmware and copy in /lib/firmware but not work....
05:26<ACTRN>any idea ?
05:27<jelly>ACTRN, you'll want to reboot after putting the right firmware in the right place
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05:28<jelly>ACTRN, which wireless card is it?
05:28<jelly>!what's my wireless
05:28<dpkg>Install the hwinfo package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ , or ask me about <whats my hardware>. See also <wireless>.
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05:32<ACTRN>i can't see nothing in the screen
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05:33<ACTRN>after install hwinfo
05:33<ACTRN>/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan
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05:33<ACTRN>get a little work and close istruction...
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05:34<ACTRN>https://pastebin.com/r4QahV7p
05:34<ACTRN>is my wireless card
05:35<ACTRN>any help appreciate :-)
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06:59<Komputerfreak>what does lspci say? what does ifconfig -a as root say?
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07:00<ACTRN>http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/b/broadcom-sta/broadcom-sta-dkms_6.30.223.248-3_all.deb this is the firmware but not work after installation....
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07:03<Komputerfreak>what is the error?
07:04<ACTRN>tg3_tso.bin missing
07:04<ACTRN>in lib/firmware
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07:06<Komputerfreak>it seems to be in firmware-linux-nonfree: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/firmware-linux-nonfree/filelist
07:06<Komputerfreak>did you install it?
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07:22<ACTRN>ok install nonfree packa
07:22<ACTRN>but not wireless working....
07:22<ACTRN>fix all error, already install the driver package but driver wireless not work....
07:23<ACTRN>when pc boot up i see wl0 is up
07:24<ACTRN>https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx
07:24<ACTRN>i have kernel 3.16.0-4
07:24<ACTRN>do you think not work ?
07:25<abrotman>did you reboot after instaling thte driver?
07:25<ACTRN>yes
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07:29<zulu>when clicking a link in thunderbird, it tells firefox already running, where do I fix that for link to open in new tab of firefox instance?
07:30<codepython>hi
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07:31<codepython>just use chrome lmao
07:31<codepython>im new to debian how do i install wine
07:32<zulu>@codepython: #> apt-get install wine
07:32<codepython>and it says codepython is not in the sudoers file
07:32<zulu>do this as root
07:32<zulu>su
07:32<codepython>how to fix that
07:32<codepython>how can i must i boot into root
07:32<codepython>from the debian login
07:32<zulu>just type su
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07:33<zulu>and your root passwd
07:33<codepython>kk
07:33<codepython>i just need notepad++
07:33<abrotman>ACTRN: did you check dmesg ?
07:33<Tjis>notepad++? when debian has a great amount of wonderful editors?
07:33<Tjis>I feel sad now
07:34<ACTRN>no how can i do ?
07:34<codepython>i do not know anything about debian installed yesterday
07:34<abrotman>codepython: notepad++ for what?
07:34<abrotman>ACTRN: type "dmesg | less" .. look for some information about your driver/wifi
07:34<codepython>i code html and javascript thats why abrotman
07:35<ACTRN>ok i see, already see and download properly driver...
07:35<ACTRN>but not working after install driver
07:35<abrotman>codepython: there are editors for web development in Debian
07:35<Tjis>try gedit, or if you're in kde, kate
07:35<codepython>i feel safer using a vpn whilst eathernet
07:35<Tjis>it is similar to notepad++
07:35<abrotman>or anjuta or bluefish
07:35<codepython>ethernet
07:35<abrotman>judd: info bluefish
07:35<judd>Package bluefish (web, optional) in jessie/amd64: advanced Gtk+ text editor for web and software development. Version: 2.2.6-2; Size: 261.5k; Installed: 779k; Homepage: http://bluefish.openoffice.nl; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/bluefish
07:36<Tjis>or vim or emacs ;)
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07:36<abrotman>ACTRN: can you paste.debian.net the contents of /var/log/dmesg ?
07:37<piper>you install wine like this https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian
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08:02<ACTRN>is empty these file!
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08:02<ACTRN>abernard,
08:02<ACTRN>abernard, the file not have any line....
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08:05<abrotman>no, it has lines
08:07<ACTRN>i have opened as root with vim and it hasn't file.....
08:07<ACTRN>i have opened as root with vim and it hasn't line...
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08:11<sicelo_>is there a tentative release date for stretch known yet?
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08:12<sicelo_>asking because i will be moving to a place with bad internet (expensive too) - i would have liked to install the latest stable by the time i leave (May 30)
08:12<sicelo_>or what would be a suggested way forward in my situation?
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08:13<sicelo> i am no expert in debian, but can reasonably maintain the system
08:15<bremner>sicelo: it's probably fairly safe to install stretch now; #debian-next can help you if you decide to go that way
08:15<ACTRN>abrotman, https://pastebin.com/kGtTHrK7
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08:16<ACTRN>abrotman, see dmesg out https://pastebin.com/kGtTHrK7
08:16<sicelo>thanks bremner
08:16<ACTRN>impossible.... run all the scheme say.....
08:16<sicelo>let me go to that chan
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08:17<zykotick9>sicelo: <your experience might be MUCH different> but after spending two days trying to get working 3D on (two different systems) I returned to stable. best of luck!
08:17<abrotman>ACTRN: and you have wired internet now?
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08:17<piper>zykotick9: what do you mean "working 3d"
08:18<abrotman>ACTRN: can you pastebin "lspci -nn" into paste.debian.net ?
08:18<sicelo>zykotick9: actually i use sid on my laptop, so i guess i'll be fine
08:18<zykotick9>piper: i used OpenArena and MAME as tests, both run fine (on both systems) on stable - and both are UNPLAYABLE on stretch... intel & nvidia systems - same outcome.
08:18<ACTRN>ok
08:19<sicelo>i'd have liked to go with sid on the desktop too, but i also need it to be reliable as it provides a couple of services i need
08:19<piper>zykotick9: i have no problems with them and steam + wine
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08:20<zykotick9>piper: i'm glad. personally, i consider stretch "not close to releasable" - so i'm glad others are having different experiences.
08:20<piper>zykotick9: also my favorite skyrim
08:20<ACTRN>sorry
08:20<ACTRN>abrotman, i pastebin error dmesg wait i load correct file
08:20<piper>zykotick9: what nvidia driver do you have and how did you install it ?
08:21<zykotick9>piper: both nouveau & nvidia-legacy (installed using debian wiki method) had same broken result...
08:21<ACTRN>lspci -nn https://pastebin.com/d3hTSCzc
08:21<zykotick9>piper: but the issue is the same with my intel i915 graphics as well...
08:23<zykotick9>piper: <sidenote> i have an old (non-up-to-date) stretch install, which 3d graphics are fine on an intel machine right now - so at one point, it DIDN'T have the issue i'm getting now?!?!
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08:24<piper>zykotick9: well, nouveau is probably your problem and i wouldn't game with intel period, i use NVIDIA 375.39 on my main GeForce GTX 970 and legacy 304 on another with a gt 9700
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08:24<piper>correction gt 7900
08:25*piper has first cup of coffee
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08:26<zykotick9>piper: hehe, ya i'm a "retro-gamer" <- on both hardware & software fronts ;) it's a GeForce 310M (aka GT218M) that i'm using on the nvidia system - so nouveau/legacy are my options on stretch.
08:26<piper>zykotick9: my grandkids play more than I, but, I do get into it ;)
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08:28<ACTRN>this is dmesg https://pastebin.com/aBgcywEL
08:30<abrotman>dpkg: BCM4312
08:30<dpkg>The Broadcom BCM4312 (PCI ID 14e4:4315) is a PCIe 802.11g wireless LAN chipset with a low-power PHY. It is supported by the <b43> driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <contrib> and install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package to provide. Alternatively supported by <wl>. PCI ID 14e4:4312 uses a BCM4311 chipset, which requires the firmware-b43-installer package instead. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx
08:31<piper>zykotick9: is that a Optimus GeForce 310m ? if so have the wrong drivers, you would need https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee
08:31<ACTRN>this is the guide that i have done!
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08:32<ACTRN>abrotman, already do these....
08:33<zykotick9>piper: no, it's not Optimus...
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08:35<piper>zykotick9: hmm ... is this a desktop or laptop ?
08:35<amacater>In a similar situation: I installed a bare command line base install of debian - then rebooted and installed non-free firmware bumblebee-nvidia and primus and nvidia-driver
08:36<zykotick9>piper: i'll answer with "in between" ;) it's a Lenovo Q150 - more laptop then desktop (but no screen).
08:36<amacater>If that fails, trying to probe the card, you might need to reboot and add acpi=off or similar - the nvidia installer will warn you
08:36<amacater>Only once you've done that, install a desktop
08:37<piper>zykotick9 if the command lspci -vnn | grep '\''[030[02]\]' outputs two lines, then you likely have a optimus laptop
08:37<zykotick9>piper: one line output.
08:37<piper>ok ;)
08:39<ACTRN>abrotman, the problem i see with rfkill list
08:39<ACTRN>i have hardware button
08:39<ACTRN>that not work....
08:39<ACTRN>do you know how can unlock these ?
08:40<abrotman>when you hit the button, does anyting appear in dmesg ?
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08:43<ACTRN>no
08:43<abrotman>how did you check?
08:44<abrotman>which driver did you install?
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08:44<abrotman>dpkg: BCM4315
08:44<dpkg>The Broadcom BCM4312 (PCI ID 14e4:4315) is a PCIe 802.11g wireless LAN chipset with a low-power PHY. It is supported by the <b43> driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <contrib> and install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package to provide. Alternatively supported by <wl>. PCI ID 14e4:4312 uses a BCM4311 chipset, which requires the firmware-b43-installer package instead. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx
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08:44<abrotman>bleh, okay
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09:57<polohpi>hi all
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09:58<polohpi>i try to set an vpn by using a .ovpn file. but when i choose it, the network manager windows close and then nothing
09:58<polohpi>any idea ?
09:58<polohpi>i use cinnammon as desktop environment
10:00<sicelo>no idea about cinnamon (or any other DE) + openvpn, but, does your .ovpn work fine when used with openvpn on command line?
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10:02<polohpi>i have not tryed this
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10:02<polohpi>but when i was on linux mint that worked perfectly fine
10:02<polohpi>with the same files
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10:03<sicelo>i'd guess there'll be a log somewhere that can help you figure out what the problem is now
10:03<polohpi>hmmm ok
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10:05<polohpi>logs are in var/log/syslog ?
10:06<sicelo>yes, and journalctl
10:08<blast007>At least for Gnome, there is also the 'network-manager-openvpn-gnome' package that actually gives you the network manager GUI for OpenVPN VPNs. Perhaps Cinnamon needs it as well being based on Gnome 3?
10:09<polohpi>i already have it
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10:11<polohpi>https://paste.debian.net/932282/
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10:11<polohpi>those are the lines that appears when i try to open the ovpn file
10:12<polohpi>that was in the syslog file
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10:16<blast007>polohpi: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=726935
10:16<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/726935 in network-manager-gnome (closed, patch, confirmed): «network-manager-gnome: nm-connection-editor segfaults when importing .ovpn config»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-10-20; last modified: 2016-10-21.
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10:18<polohpi>oh
10:18<blast007>the fix looks to be in Stretch, but not Jessie
10:18<polohpi>so it ll be bring to debian 8 ?
10:19<blast007>no
10:19<blast007>8 is Jessie
10:19<polohpi>hmm ok
10:20<Komputerfreak>if ovpn is the same as a conf file you could try just running openvpn <filename> as a test
10:20<polohpi>so what can i do ?
10:21<blast007>you may also be able to manually add the OpenVPN VPN instead of using the .ovpn file
10:25<polohpi>ok but the ovpn contained a lot of settings
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10:36<not_an_expert>hi, i realize thar xinetd is not installed by default on debian jessie... is it right?
10:37<sicelo>sure
10:39<sicelo>at leat even on my wheezy it is not installed
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10:56<not_an_expert>ok, right then
10:56<not_an_expert>tku
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10:59<pron>not_an_expert: u got inetd tho imop
10:59<pron>imo
11:00<pron>amm well looks like no
11:00<pron>pardon
11:00<sicelo>:)
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11:22<Komputerfreak>my guess is you have to enable it manually because of security issues - it is only installed if really needed, unlike on many desktop computers.
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11:23<Komputerfreak>it is not installed on my system either
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11:27<uhoreg>FWIW, I think systemd can provide the same functionality as (x)inetd
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11:53<nuovolnx>hello everybody, in mate desktop on debian 8.8 when I select the speaker I don't hear anything. Why?
11:53<nuovolnx>https://postimg.org/image/63rwot6lx/
11:53<nuovolnx>https://postimg.org/image/a0mdgcfot/
12:01<blast007>what kind of speakers and how are they attached?
12:05<nuovolnx>blast007, creative 5.1
12:05<blast007>with analog connections?
12:06<nuovolnx>blast007, I heard all sounds in youtube, firefox and other applications
12:06<nuovolnx>blast007, exactly
12:06<blast007>oh, so it just doesn't work with the "test" buttons?
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12:08<nuovolnx>blast007, exactly
12:08*dboles racks brain about solving this problem before
12:10<Komputerfreak>uhoreg, sicelo: I never understood the purpose of inetd to be honest - why not just run the services you need?
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12:36<kscal>hello
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12:37<notas>hi guys
12:37<notas>i have a question
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12:38<dboles>then by all means
12:38<dboles>!ask
12:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:38<notas>i need to config l2tp client in my debian 8.8
12:39<notas>do you know someone client
12:39<notas>network manager l2tp?
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12:41<notas>my english is very bad
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13:06<guardian>hello, is there a document that highlights the differences between installing with debootstrap and installing with debian installer netinst iso?
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13:10<bremner>uh. not really, but if you have to ask you should probably be using the installer
13:10<bremner>guardian: what makes you think you want to use debootstrap?
13:10<guardian>zfs on rootfs
13:11<bremner>ah, so I'd be surprised if that was supported by the installer, so you're kindof on your own.
13:12<guardian>indeed
13:13<guardian>which tickles my curiosity about details I usually don't care about much :)
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13:13<spacebug^>can you run an X server inside an LXC? And can you connect to it somehow?
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13:15<grawity>depends on whether you want it to have actual hardware access
13:15<bremner>guardian: debbootstrap requires a running system, and a mounted disk paritition. It doesn't do anything about things like initrd or grub
13:15<grawity>or just a dummy display
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13:17<spacebug^>grawity: I don't relly need any ..hum.. darn.. to drunk to get the english word for it. I don't need and graphic 'speed'.
13:17<bremner>acceleration
13:17<spacebug^>thanks bremner :)
13:17<spacebug^>I'n not even sure I will need X
13:17<spacebug^>probalby only going to use it for webserver.. just wanted to know if it was possible
13:18<grawity>it's possible, although why in the world would a webserver need X?
13:18<bremner>running stupid java programs
13:19<grawity>set up an xdummy/xvfb/xvnc then
13:19<grawity>still though, wat
13:19<spacebug^>grawity: no, the webserver would not need it. t was more a thought if I wanted to run other applications on another container
13:20<spacebug^>Like I'm running FAH in an KVM right now.. that has a graphic interface even though you can change everythign from commandline
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14:16<terrible>hi when i try to install flashplayer in debian jessie i get this error http://paste.debian.net/932311/ any help??
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14:18<dboles>looks like the Adobe v24 updates page recommends to update to v25 asap
14:18<dboles>and presumably they took the old installer down while not considering that packages may still be linking to it
14:20<terrible>dboles: so how can i install flashplayer in debian jessie
14:20<terrible>?
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14:30<Komputerfreak>do you absolutely need it or maybe html5 videos are sufficient?
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14:31<terrible>Komputerfreak: i really need it cause some website that i use to visit require flashplayer
14:31<Komputerfreak>flash is getting a little outdated imo
14:31<Komputerfreak>ok
14:32<dboles>terrible: sorry, dunno, i installed on my jessie box a while ago (though now i think all the sites i visit use html5 anyway)
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14:35<terrible>dboles: but there still out there some website which require flashplayer
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14:35<dboles>terrible: i am well aware of that; my point is that i personally don't use those websites, so i can't speak whether the version that i installed before adobe took it down, even still works
14:36<Komputerfreak>you could use the official installer from adobe probably, but this would surpass the package system
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14:37<Komputerfreak>so to do it the 'debian' way you will have to wait for someone more knowledgeable
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14:39<jmcnaught>terrible: take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/Freshplayerplugin which is about a Debian package that uses the pepperflash plugin from Chrome for Firefox: https://wiki.debian.org/Freshplayerplugin
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14:40<jmcnaught>terrible: you basically just need to install it from jessie-backports (most of that page outlines compiling from source, not necessary now that there's a package)
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14:44<terrible>ok what i just did was download the tar file from the adobe website extract it and copy the file libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and it is working now
14:44<terrible>is that good??
14:44<terrible>i mean it doesnt damage my system?
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14:46<dboles>not any more than any other copy of flash player ;)
14:46<jmcnaught>terrible: no that's not a good way of doing things
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14:46<jmcnaught>it won't be automatically updated.. also you should almost *never* write directly to anything in /usr except for /usr/local
14:47<jmcnaught>aside from /usr/local (which is its purpose) everything in /usr/ should only be managed by .deb packages
14:47<dboles>oops, yeah
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14:48<jmcnaught>if you really wanto to install it from a tarball instead of the simple to use pepper flash plugin i linked above, put it in your ~/.mozilla/ so it only effects your user (still far from ideal)
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14:51<terrible>jmcnaught: ok i didnt know that
14:51<terrible>so pepper flash plugin is my solution
14:51<jmcnaught>terrible: or at least the best one it seems, besides never using flash again ☺
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14:54<terrible>jmcnaught: yes i notice flash is out of date and also have many bugs linux user normally doesnt use flash
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15:05<jmcnaught>terrible: adobe stopped developing it for a long time on linux, and chrome/google's pepperflash was the only up to date option (feature wise at least), which is why work went into making that plugin available for chromium and firefox users on Debian
15:05<jmcnaught>now i think adobe has changed their policy with linux flash, but ideally we would let it die except for archive purposes ☺
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15:07<babylon>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gp100/gr/sw_method_init.bin for module nouveau
15:07<babylon>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gp100/gr/sw_bundle_init.bin for module nouveau
15:07<babylon>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gp100/gr/sw_nonctx.bin for module nouveau
15:07<babylon>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gp100/gr/sw_ctx.bin for module nouveau
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15:07<dboles>jmcnaught: i thought adobe had got you there
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15:07<babylon>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gm206/gr/sw_nonctx.bin for module nouveau
15:07<babylon>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gm206/gr/sw_ctx.bin for module nouveau
15:07<babylon>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gm206/gr/gpccs_sig.bin for module nouveau
15:07<babylon>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gm206/gr/gpccs_data.bin for module nouveau
15:07<babylon>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gm206/gr/gpccs_inst.bin for module nouveau
15:07<babylon>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gm206/gr/gpccs_bl.bin for module nouveau
15:07<babylon>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gm206/gr/fecs_sig.bin for module nouveau
15:07<babylon>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gm206/gr/fecs_data.bin for module nouveau
15:07<babylon>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gm206/gr/fecs_inst.bin for module nouveau
15:07<babylon>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gm206/gr/fecs_bl.bin for module nouveau
15:08<babylon>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gm206/acr/ucode_unload.bin for module nouveau
15:08<babylon>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gm206/acr/ucode_load.bin for module nouveau
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15:08<babylon>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gm206/acr/bl.bin for module nouveau
15:08<zeta>babylon: stoooop
15:08<babylon>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gm204/gr/sw_method_init.bin for module nouveau
15:08<babylon>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gm204/gr/sw_bundle_init.bin for module nouveau
15:08<babylon>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gm204/gr/sw_nonctx.bin for module nouveau
15:08<dboles>!ops babylon
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15:09<babylon>http://paste.debian.net/932324/ i am using nouveau
15:10<dboles>what happened was your irc client is not cool enough to replace long pastes with pastebin links :)
15:11<babylon>I uninstalled firmware-linux-nonfree but no go, same errors when updating initramfs
15:11<babylon>dboles: seems there is a war going on on OFTC :)
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15:22<babylon>what I do not understand is that it complains about nvidia firmware when I am using nouveau
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15:28<piper>babylon: what nvidia card do you have ?
15:29<babylon>something budget from the age of the dinosaurs :)
15:29<babylon>02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [GeForce 210] (rev a2)
15:29<babylon>piper ^^
15:30<babylon>nouveau worked perfectly with 3.16 kernel in jessie
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15:33<piper>thanks ;) any reason why you want nouveau ? i find it very buggy
15:34<bremner>well, it's free software, so there's that.
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15:34<babylon>like bremner said, and it always worked fine
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15:34<babylon>it's just giving me all this warning when i upgrade my kernel and initramfs gets updated
15:35<cheapie>firmware-misc-nonfree seems to be the package you want, probably.
15:35<bremner>babylon: i'm just going afk, but note that firmware != driver
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15:35<bremner>so it could be nouveau needs non-free firmware; I remember the free radeon driver does for some cards
15:36<piper>babylon: and bremner yes, i get that, don't blame you there but googling foo is not good with maxwell and above, perhaps a 4.10 kernel can help
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15:37<piper>black screen being a big challange with this
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15:42<babylon>cheapie: spot on man :) thanks a lot! all warnings gone
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15:43<babylon>it's strange it wasnt required for 3.16 kernel though
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15:43<piper>babylon: i thought above you said that was installed and assumed you uninstalled [5/13/17 3:11 pm] <babylon> I uninstalled firmware-linux-nonfree but no go, same errors when updating initramfs
15:44<piper>ah non-free firmware
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15:44<piper>firmware-misc-nonfree **
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15:45-!-tomaw is "Tom Wesley <tom@tomaw.net>" on #gcc #virt #ceph #debian-offtopic #suckless #ovirt #oftc-staff #perl #slackware #debian #debian-es #gentoo #bitlbee #tor #awesome @#oftc #moocows #linode #oftc-status #supybot #irssi #freenode #admin #thrustvps
15:45-!-JStoker is "JStoker" on #debian-qa #debian-boot #debian-mirrors #debian-blends #uml #debian #debian-fr #kernelnewbies #oftc #moocows #linode #debian-sayhi #debian-xen #fai #debian-irc
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15:47-!-frostyfrog_ is "Archlinux? I have a few of those lying around here" on #debian-mentors #debian
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15:55-!-tomaw is "Tom Wesley <tom@tomaw.net>" on #sd #linux #help #tor-project #osm #gcc #virt #ceph #debian-offtopic #suckless #ovirt #oftc-staff #perl #slackware #debian #debian-es #gentoo #bitlbee #tor #awesome @#oftc #moocows #linode #oftc-status #supybot #irssi #freenode #admin #thrustvps
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15:58-!-noahm is "Noah Meyerhans" on #awesome #kernelnewbies #debian #debian-boot #debian-cloud #debian-mirrors #debian-perl
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16:13<Nick```>:o im actually still connected?
16:13<blacksyke>Seems so!
16:14<Nick```>i connect via tethering... not normally this stable
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16:15<Nick```>aaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway
16:15<Nick```>bye
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16:21<skx_netb>any idea why flash player is stuck for a while already one v24?
16:22<skx_netb>latest version is v25
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16:28<zykotick9>bremner: <sidenote> ati is "open source" not "free software" as it requires non-free firmware for 3D...
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16:30<zykotick9>bremner: <update> i was wrong! there are a few ati/amd cards that work with 3d now, in a free manner. https://h-node.org/videocards/catalogue/en/1/1/Advanced-Micro-Devices-AMD-nee-ATI/undef/works_with_3D/undef/video-card-works/undef
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16:36-!-Defaultti is "Defaultti" on #vserver #pentadactyl #tor #debian #love #openttd #gcc #powerdns
16:36-!-mgv is "Marius Gavrilescu" on #debian #debian-offtopic #debian-perl #apparmor #fonbot +#mindcoding
16:36-!-gusnan is "Andreas Rönnquist" on #debian-nordic #debian.se #debian-ftp #debian-mentors #debian #debian-next #debian-systemd #debian-cd #debian-devel-changes #debian-arm #debian-games #debian-i18n #debian-www #alioth #debian-perl #debian-boot #debian-qa #debian-publicity #debian-multimedia #debian-gnome #debian-desktop #debian-gnupg
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16:42-!-arlen is "arlen" on #moocows #debian-next #debian #tails #otr #tor #subgraph #g7 #help #oftc #linode
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16:48-!-SCHAPiE is "SCHAPiE" on #qemu #linux #gcc #debian-nl #debian #virt #suckless #ck #archlinux #C
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17:01*zeljko_ say Alo
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17:01-!-miguemoya is "purple" on #debian #debian-devel-es #debian-es
17:09<zeljko_>
17:13<dboles>!ask
17:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:44-!-avelardi is "Anthony Velardi" on #python #tor-project #qemu #oftc-staff #debian #tor @#oftc #moocows @+#linode #oftc-status #ubuntu @#linode-staff-jousting
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18:35<Komputerfreak>what is the difference between set and export?
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18:35<Komputerfreak>when setting an environment variable
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18:38<dboles>export makes the set value available to subshells; set doesn't
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22:17<lin>hi
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22:45<blastwave>is there a special chan for PowerPC or can I ask here ?
22:46<blastwave>I have a PowerMAC G5 with the 970MP cpus and gcc 4.9.2 tosses a "gcc: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault (program cc1)"
22:46<blastwave>can I get a newer gcc from sid or stretch ? This is jessie on this powermac
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23:04<blastwave>test
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23:07<mnuhmnuh>is there a smart debian way to rebuild manpages correctly? I see a lot that look horrible, if readable, in both pinfo and xman.
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23:07<blastwave>? I have no idea what pinfo or xman really are .. but man man works
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23:08<blastwave>have you run catman yet ?
23:09<mnuhmnuh>blastwave: i have not, tx, reading up on it. it's been a while since i've dealt with this. :-)
23:09<blastwave>at least a decade for me too
23:09<blastwave>first thing that crossed my mind however I am probably wrong
23:10<blastwave>however when you do man strftime that works right ?
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23:15<mnuhmnuh>blastwave: mostly correct; lots of high-bit(?) chars still uglify it. same w. cp; bad paragraph wrapping, etc.
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23:15<blastwave>what locale are you using ?
23:15<blastwave> echo $LC_ALL
23:15<blastwave>en_US.utf8 ??
23:17<mnuhmnuh>blastwave: catman, no effect. $LOCALE=""; $LC_ALL=""
23:17<mnuhmnuh>huh.
23:17<blastwave>for giggle try LC_ALL=en_US.utf8 man strftime
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23:21<mnuhmnuh>blastwave: i'm a little shocked i haven't seen a need for those to be set yet. this box's been slowly in the making for about a year now.
23:21<mnuhmnuh>not in my .bashrc yet
23:21<mnuhmnuh>weird.
23:21<blastwave>wouldn't hurt to make a locale setup script in /etc/profile.d
23:22<blastwave>one of the things I generally do is setup the really basic POSIX stuff in a script there
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23:23<blastwave>sorry .. just flailing along here trying to understand the problem
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23:28<mnuhmnuh>blastwave: i figure if i learn something, it's not wasted time. i now have a /etc/profile.d/locale :-)
23:28<blastwave>make sure that thing is a script and is executable
23:29<blastwave>I suggest that is sets your PATH and a few env vars like LC_ALL won't hurt
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23:29<blastwave>however it make be better to hit the basics like LANG, LANGUAGE, LC_TIME, and a few others .. one sec
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23:30<blastwave>LC_COLLATE LC_CTYPE LC_MESSAGES LC_MONETARY LC_NUMERIC LC_TIME
23:30<blastwave>those are the ones assured to work everywhere in the POSIX specification
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23:35<mnuhmnuh>blastwave: none of the others in there are executable, nor do they contain shebangs (#!/bin/bash).
23:35<blastwave>well .. they should .. really
23:36<blastwave>anything in the /etc/profile.d dir will be executed at login
23:36<blastwave>please see /etc/profile
23:36<blastwave>at the bottom of that you will see if [ -d /etc/profile.d ]; then <-- if the dir exists then
23:37<blastwave>then it calls for i in /etc/profile.d/*.sh; do <-- run everything in there that is a foo.sh
23:37<blastwave>so make sure it is a shell script ending in .sh and it will be run
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23:42<mnuhmnuh>blastwave: didn't notice that, tx. will do. i see "locale" reports lots of those populated, but not LC_ALL. :-) LANG=en_CA.UTF-8, LANGUAGE=en_CA:en (?), LC_CTYPE="en_CA.UTF-8", ...
23:42<blastwave>well LC_ALL is sort of a catch all .. best to set the locale correctly and then not need to worry about it
23:43<blastwave>strangly this is done better in the commercial UNIX releases but debian is pretty damn good
23:43<blastwave>are you sure about en_CA.UTF-8 ??
23:43<blastwave>run locale -a
23:44<blastwave>that will report all the locale support you have installed
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23:45<blastwave>the supported stuff is listed in /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED
23:45<mnuhmnuh>blastwave: C, C.UTF-8. en_CA.utf8, POSIX. i'm in canuckistan (Canada).
23:45<blastwave>strangely it lists en_CA.UTF-8 but locale -a reports en_CA.utf8
23:46<blastwave>okay ... you may have best success with POSIX or C is the same thing or en_CA.utf8
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23:47<blastwave>just about all code work I do is in C locale and then everything else is en_CA.utf8 because then everything seems to work great that way
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23:52<mnuhmnuh>blastwave: i've been unsuccessfully trying to grok utf-8 for more than a decade now. i'm uni-lingual Anglo, using Linux of all things (ASCII? what's that?).
23:53<blastwave>well .. to be honest we were doing well with 7 bits for a few decades
23:53<blastwave>then the world grew
23:54<blastwave>so now we need the euro currency character and umlots and the Norwegians and oh hell .. everybody in Korea and China and Japan and ...
23:54<blastwave>so we need more bits to make that all work
23:54<mnuhmnuh>yeh, all them furriners showed up with working code, umlauts, and accent graves.
23:54<blastwave>actually utf-8 is really simply once you see the bit patterns
23:54<blastwave>let me ask you a question .. just a few questions .. k ?
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23:55<blastwave>you are perfectly happy with seven bit ascii right ?
23:55<blastwave>where we all know that 0x41h is the capital letter A
23:56<blastwave>we all know that we can hold down the shift key and we get lower case letter a 0x61h
23:56<mnuhmnuh>blastwave: no, I like seeing unmlauts, et al, even if i can't make/use 'em. no prob. with that here, just display correctly pls.
23:56<blastwave>well the utf8 char set is still just a massive superset of ye old ascci
23:57<blastwave>or think of ascii as a tiny itty bitty subset
23:58<themill>mnuhmnuh: how are things displayed incorrectly?
23:58<blastwave>regardless what do you see here ---> Bérénice
23:58<themill>(screenshot?)
23:59<mnuhmnuh>blastwave: yup, i'm in favour of utf, just wish i saw manpages correctly formatted, yada yada. does paste.d.o accept screenshots? will check.
23:59<blastwave>hrmmm .. are you using xterm ?
23:59<themill>picpaste.com
23:59<blastwave>also ---> Isabellê St. Pìerre
23:59<blastwave>are you seeing accents and such in that name ?
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