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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-05-15

---Logopened Mon May 15 00:00:04 2017
---Daychanged Mon May 15 2017
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00:01-!-Q-Master is "Vladimir Berezenko" on #debian-next #debianppc #debian
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03:56<itd>Hi, I'm trying to install python2.7:armhf in an amd64 jessie sbuild environment (on a stretch machine). Setup of sbuild as explained in [1] and [2] worked just fine, but the install fails with [3]. [1]: https://wiki.debian.org/sbuild [2]: https://wiki.debian.org/CrossToolchains#For_jessie_.28Debian_8.29 [3]: https://paste.debian.net/932468/
03:57<itd>(My goal is to build python-axolotl-0.1.39 using the command 'sbuild --host=armhf -d jessie --arch-all'.)
03:58<itd>Where is my error? Thanks. :)
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05:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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05:33<maxb>Hello. I am searching for documentation on Debian kernel SRU ABI compatibility. Specifically, is it a bug or not, when some kernel modules are unable to be loaded due to missing symbols, between "apt-get upgrade" and rebooting?
05:33<pickles>Hello all
05:33<pickles>I have been working on getting debian running in a chroot on my eink kindle paperwhite 3 and am happy to report that I can now successfully launch openbox
05:33<pickles>But my progress has stalled due to the fact i have no keyboard input. Left and right click work out the box, I have installed and launched matchbox-keyboard from autostart but openbox doesn't seem to be listening to my virtual keyboard. Any ideas?
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05:38<contrapunctus>Has there been any progress on removing EME from Firefox in the Debian repos? e.g. this bug report (with no responses) https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=837091
05:38<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/837091 in firefox-esr (open, security, upstream): «firefox-esr: EME DRM extention present and enabled»; severity: serious; opened: 2016-09-08; last modified: 2016-09-08.
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05:42<Komputerfreak>wouldn't it be better to run unattended security upgrades in an default debian installation automatically?
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05:51<itd>Komputerfreak: No. The system might be offline; a user might want to inspect the changes (to see if they fit in h(is|er) strange setup) before applying them; ...
05:52<Komputerfreak>my guess would be if the user has a 'Strange installation' he/she knows how to deactivate the updates
05:53<zeta>contrapunctus: i doubt eme is going to be removed. the cdm on the other hand could be moved into non-free, depending on how firefox handles it
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05:56<contrapunctus>zeta: I see...and does the Firefox-ESR currently in the repos have any proprietary components?
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06:03<zeta>contrapunctus: here's an article on firefox(-esr) and the surrounding debates in debian you might find interesting if you're not familiar with the whole story. https://lwn.net/Articles/676799/
06:04<zeta>as for the exact status i'm not sure, it's best you checked open bug reports against firefox-esr for that
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09:02<petn-randall>Komputerfreak: It would throw an error if the machine isn't connected to the internet, so that would cause unexpected problems. As always "KISS", if you need any extras you can install it yourself.
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09:09<Komputerfreak>some line 'ERROR: Couldn't download security update. Reason: ...' in the logs each day should be acceptable imo - when everybody else gets an up-to-date system.
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09:13<Komputerfreak>or just a question in the installer so everybody can chose what they like ;-)
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10:23<ritesh>what is this
10:23<ritesh>can u explain it
10:24<ritesh>????
10:24<bremner>!chat
10:24<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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10:24<ritesh>my system is not updating..??
10:24<ritesh>what to do .....??
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10:25<bremner>ritesh: how are you trying to update it?
10:25<ritesh>sudo apt-get update
10:26<bremner>and what happens then?
10:26<ritesh>reading package lists done
10:27<bremner>ritesh: note that "update" and "upgrade" or "dist-upgrade" are different things. You likely want to do "apt-get upgrade" after "apt-get update", if there was no error
10:27<ritesh>okk thankss
10:27<ritesh>for help
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10:28<ritesh>if any problem occurs i can ask here.......anytime...???
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10:29<bremner>if you're running debian, then yes
10:29<ritesh>what is parrot os kali linux and what is debian ..........i dont know well ..??
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10:30<bremner>!parrot
10:30<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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10:33<grove>!kali
10:33<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
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11:49<EmleyMoor>I've got a "stuck" notification from Chrome on my screen - what's behind it reacts when clicked. How do I clear it?
11:50<somiaj>stuck? Does this appear to be something from your de/wm?
11:51<EmleyMoor>somiaj: "stuck" as in "can't see a way to make it go away. Can only "maybe" that last point
11:51<EmleyMoor>Ah, closing Chrome has cleared it
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11:53<CutMeOwnThroat>killing (or quitting) the process is usually the only way (that I know if)
11:53<EmleyMoor>They are usually closable in their own right
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11:56<somiaj>EmleyMoor: oh the notification doesn't say 'stuck', it just is a window that stays around. Does this only do this with chromme? What about chormium?
11:58<EmleyMoor>somiaj: Last I checked, chromium was a bit on the "old" side... but will have another look. As for "Does this only do this with chrome?", it more "not even" does it with Chrome... this is the first time I've ended up with a non-shiftable.
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11:59<somiaj>,v chromium
11:59<judd>Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 58.0.3029.81-1; sid: 58.0.3029.96-1; experimental: 59.0.3071.47-1
11:59<somiaj>EmleyMoor: debian provides a more recent chromium for security updates. It isn't the most current, but version 57 isn't that old.
11:59<EmleyMoor>May well be worth another look then :-)
12:00<somiaj>if you use flash or widevine you may find the google-chrome packgae nicer
12:00<EmleyMoor>Ah... that's what I'm running, and I do use Flash
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12:02<somiaj>you can get flash in debian, but the scripts are currently broken. widevine you need the google-chrome
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12:03<grawity>surprised that debian packages it
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12:10<mnuhmnuh>somiaj: i see "stuck" app windows hanging around some too. eventually (minutes), they get cleaned up and disappear. mate.
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12:50<bishop>hello
12:51<bishop>I'm trying to get Debian EDU SkoleLinux running well on this dell inspiron 1720
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12:51<bishop>I'm having trouble with flashplugin-nonfree installation
12:52<bishop>https://bpaste.net/show/f722413e98f0
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12:52<bishop>it's failing to download the tar.gz from fpdownload.adobe.com, the file doesn't exist where it thinks it is
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12:53<bishop>any help resolving this? both where to find the file and how to redirect the install operation to the correct place?
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12:59<bishop>I can see there have been bug reports about it but I am failing to find a resolution
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12:59<bishop>any workaround?
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13:00<captnfab>bishop: a workaround is to manually install the tar.gz in your system or your user's plugins directory
13:01<captnfab>another is not to use flash anymore ^^"
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13:02<bishop>:D I'm trying to set this laptop up for my nephews to do their home-schooling work.. they use a service called time4learning that uses flash, I'm just trying to help my sister set them up with a working machine
13:02<zeta>bishop: there's also pepperflashplugin-nonfree for chromium
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13:02<qxt>is there a way to factory reset a "iphone" with debian? Normally I would use something like heimdall-flash with android
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13:04<qxt>... really hating apple right now even though I never owned a product of theirs.
13:04<bishop>ok I'm downloading the tar.gz from adobe. I want it to be available to all users, is there a plugins director that will give everybody access?
13:04<bishop>directory*
13:04<captnfab>zeta: I think pepperflashplugin-nonfree doesn't work anymore on amd64
13:05<zeta>:(
13:05<spacebug^>qxt: you can do that from within the phone
13:05<captnfab>since google doesn't bundle flash anymore in chrome/amd64
13:05<bishop>zeta: I had actually encountered this problem in the past and remember trying pepperflashplugin-nonfree and failing, then proceeding the way I'm doing it now, by downloading the tar.gz .. I just can't remember where the plugins directory is now :D
13:06<Komputerfreak>there was a freshplayer plugin, i think this worked last time someone asked
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13:07<qxt>spacebug^, will that fully factory reset the phone? My sister got a used iphone off of ebay. I know nada about apple stuff.
13:08<bishop>ls
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13:08<bishop>oops.
13:08<Komputerfreak>want to see all the users in the chat? ;-)
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13:09<bishop>I'm looking for my plugins directory :D
13:09<captnfab>I think it's .mozilla/plugins/
13:10<bishop>thanks!
13:10<Komputerfreak>as far as i remember it was called pepperflash-freshplayer-plugin or similiar and had to be installed from backports
13:10<spacebug^>qxt: It will
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13:11<qxt>spacebug^, do you need pass phrases etc to do a full reset?
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13:12<spacebug^>qxt: only if "Find my iPhone" is set, then you need the previous owner to give you the password, otherwise you should be able to just do a factory reset
13:12<mnuhmnuh>somiaj: stretch, yes. 32 bit on a xeon. sneaking up on a do it right this time reinstall.
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13:13<spacebug^>qxt: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/ht201274 Now thats about it for Apple support here :)
13:14<qxt>spacebug^, nice I Ill take a look into it.
13:14<blast007>bishop: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=851066#30
13:14<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/851066 in flashplugin-nonfree (open, security): «flashplugin-nonfree: Mismatch between detected and available versions (Download file not available at people.debian.org)»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-01-11; last modified: 2017-05-08.
13:14<somiaj>there is a bug in xorg, where sometimes it won't get rid of windows of dead processes until something triggers some event, one second
13:14<somiaj>mnuhmnuh: ^^
13:14<bishop>blast007: I got it working just now, by downloading it from adobe and putting it in the mozilla plugins folder
13:15<somiaj>https://bugs.debian.org/855206
13:15<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/855206 in xserver-xorg-core (forwarded, upstream, fixed-upstream): «When a process quits, xorg sometimes leaves a zombie window»; severity: minor; opened: 2017-02-15; last modified: 2017-05-01.
13:15<blast007>bishop: in ~/.mozilla/plugins/ ? that's just for that user
13:15<bishop>nope I put it in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins :D
13:15<mnuhmnuh>somiaj: i've seen dead/hung xman wins hang around for minutes.
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13:16<bishop>I googled where is mozilla plugins directory and remembered from last time i hit this problem
13:16<bishop>thanks folks I'm out of here!
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13:17<mnuhmnuh>bishop: last time i tried, it was all handled internal to firefox. install/surf available plugins.
13:17<somiaj>mnuhmnuh: that bug started out in fvwm, but seems it is in xorg, it could explain why windows with no process hang around.
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13:21<jelly>how do i propose a bug fix be added to s-p-o? #751636 in particular
13:21<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/751636 in openssh-server (closed): «ssh sessions are not cleanly terminated on shutdown/restart with systemd»; severity: important; opened: 2014-06-14; last modified: 2017-03-06.
13:22<mnuhmnuh>somiaj: the *nix gawds back in the old days decided everything but kitchen sink, over manageability. cf. xterm. i agree with their decision. sometimes frustrating, but correct.
13:22<jelly>(unfixed in jessie)
13:22<bremner>jelly: generally file a bug against release.debian.org, choose jessie-proposed-updates (I think)
13:22<jelly>thanks!
13:22<bremner>jelly: but that will want a targetted upload with only that bug fixed
13:22<bremner>(compared to jessie)
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13:23<jelly>I'm fine with it going anywhere as long as it gets fixed
13:24<bremner>well, the main point is somebody has to make such an upload, usually involves backporting a fix
13:24<jelly>and it's not a security issue, just a big annoyance that can get you cut off from a remote system
13:27<jelly>lots of existing jessie-pu bugs there, one of those will be a suitable template
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13:47<terrible>can i delete this repo from my source.list
13:47<terrible>deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org jessie main non-free
13:47<terrible>?
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13:48<lindi->terrible: who added it?
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13:49<grillon>hi there
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13:53<terrible>lindi-, i added but now i want to install something but with these repo i get a older version of the package a want to install so what i did was put a # at the begin of the repo and i add this one deb http://http.debian.net/debian jessie-backports main with this one i get the version that i want is that good?
13:55<lindi->terrible: how many sentences is that?
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13:57<terrible>lindi-, i sorry do you dont understand me?
13:57<lindi->terrible: it's very difficult to understand when you have such a long sentence indeed
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13:58<lindi->terrible: Anyways, I think it depends on what package you are installing
14:00<terrible>lindi-, but it is safe to remove de.multimedia from my repos list
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14:01<lindi->terrible: the only problem I can think of is that if you have installed some packages from that repo you won't be getting any updates to them anymore
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14:02<terrible>lindi-, that is what i want to know
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14:03<terrible>lindi-, so there is a way to know what programs were installed from that repo??
14:03<lindi->terrible: sort of
14:04<lindi->terrible: 1) remove the repo 2) apt-get update 3) apt-show-versions | grep -v uptodate
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14:04<terrible>lindi-, for what is that all about?
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14:05<lindi->terrible: which step?
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14:07<terrible>lindi-, dam i have to good thank anyway i figure out later
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14:07<lindi->ok, you might want to join #debian-es for help in Spanish
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14:54<linux7>anybody here who knows how to put the ''openbox'' desktop in debian jessie with the gnome desktop ?
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14:55<dboles>what do you mean "with"? you can't use them simultaneously
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14:56<dboles>i have lxde/openbox on a jessie netbook but it doesn't have gnome parallel installed (as the machine is horribly slow)
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14:56<linux7>hmm that is what i thought too dboles
14:57<dboles>i mean, probably someone has tried to meld a third-party window manager onto gnome, but i doubt it ends well
14:57<linux7>well maybe it is possible
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14:58<linux7>in the login screen with debian jessie with the gnome desktop you can choose an installed desktop enviroment
14:58<linux7>maybe it is possible , i can try it , but maybe my debian is going to crash then
14:58<dboles>maybe "it" is possible, if you first clarify what "it" is! do you just want to have lxde/openbox as another available choice?
14:58<linux7>yes
14:58<dboles>right, that should be fine
14:59<linux7>how to install it ?
14:59<dboles>i'm going to take a wild, left-field, outrageous guess here
14:59<linux7>ok.... :)
15:00<dboles>sudo aptitude install lxde
15:00<dboles>seems like the easiest way to get openbox but also the rest of a desktop environment, so you can have a window manager and a way to open windows
15:00<dboles>or any windows worth opening ;)
15:01<linux7>hmmm for sure i make backup of my files :)
15:01<linux7>if my debian crashes :P
15:01<dboles>always!
15:01<dboles>but i don't see much potential for any bad stuff
15:02<linux7>ok i first make backup :P
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15:02<dboles>the two desktops don't have much overlap in terms of files used, other than the obvious stuff like .desktop files etc
15:02<linux7>of my files :P
15:02<dboles>i always forget i have 3 DEs on this machine
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15:03<dboles>previously used KDE and XFCE, can't remember in which order - now GNOME
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15:03<linux7>yes i have debian jessie gnome too at the moment
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15:03<dboles>i'm using unstable
15:03*dboles kicks self out of channel
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15:03<linux7>and i want to remove gnome and put the lxde/openbox in it
15:04<dboles>it should work perfectly well; adding/removing DEs is something folk do all the time
15:04<linux7>ok
15:04<linux7>here we go.....
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15:06<linux7>it's downloading the enviroment (in root terminal)
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15:07<linux7>spooky haha , last summer i did the Kali linux repository in my debian jessie ahaha , no crash , but i don't recommend that :)
15:07<linux7>it was an sort of kali / debian at the end :)
15:08<linux7>ok
15:08<linux7>it's unpacking the enviroment now
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15:09<linux7>it's done.
15:09<linux7>reboot dboles now ?
15:10<linux7>be right back (i hope :P )
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15:17<linux7>dboles
15:17<linux7>LXDE is working
15:17<linux7>openbox is not working :(
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15:18<dboles>in what way is it not working
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15:19<linux7>well if i click in the login screen on openbox and i type my password , nothing is booting
15:19<linux7>if i reboot and click on lxde the debian jessie is booting
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15:20<dboles>like i said
15:20<dboles>a window manager like openbox is not immediately useful without a way to tell it to manage windows
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15:21<dboles>which is what a desktop environment provides
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15:21<linux7>yep
15:21<dboles>what you are seeing is probably a normal result of that
15:21<linux7>too bad i like openbox
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15:21<dboles>let me make it clear: LXDE is a DE that uses OpenBox as its WM
15:21<dboles>so by using LXDE, you get to use OpenBox
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15:22<dboles>problem solved?
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15:22<linux7>1 sec
15:23<linux7>yep indeed
15:24<dboles>so then you get a shell with a taskbar, launcher menu, system tray, etc - meaning that you have a way to open windows for openbox to manage
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15:24<dboles>first window to open is the openbox config file, then get ready for nearly infinite customisability!
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15:25<linux7>ok
15:25<linux7>thank you for helping me
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15:25<dboles>no prob, enjoy!
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15:26<aura>Which browser should i use in debian?
15:26<linux7>yes :)
15:26<linux7>aura : firefox 53.0.3
15:27<linux7>download it from the mozilla firefox website
15:27<dboles>i had great fun using openbox and still miss some aspects of how configurable it is, though i'm fine with gnome too. (i do miss being able to configure double clicking on a horizontal or vertical edge to maximise in that direction... and quarter tiling, but apparently gnome is due to get that before too long)
15:27<dboles>,v firefox-esr
15:27<judd>Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 45.9.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 45.9.0esr-1; stretch: 45.9.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; experimental: 52.1.0esr-1
15:27<dboles>use backports
15:28<dboles>that way you know it's been tested and works on jessie
15:28<dboles>or, hey https://mozilla.debian.net/
15:28<dboles>3 million years on google
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15:29<dboles>so you could pick esr52 (extended support release) in the list and it'll show you how to install it
15:29<aura>i'm already using firefox but i'm getting problems with audio :(
15:29<dboles>what problems
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15:30<aura>http://paste.debian.net/932599/
15:30<aura>glitches
15:31<dboles>when? for all audio, or just some sites, or?
15:31<aura>youtube videos
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15:32<dboles>are you using the html5 player, or flash?
15:32<aura>html5
15:32<dboles>right answer ;)
15:32<aura>i'm flash clean
15:32<dboles>which firefox version?
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15:33<aura>45.9.0
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15:33<aura>could it be the kernel?
15:33<dboles>i think this is the last of the basic info that was missing: has it always glitched or did it only start recently?
15:33<aura>i've never been able to set it up correctly :(
15:34<dboles>dang
15:34<sicelo>you're using jack? sure your config is good?
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15:34<linux7>dboles
15:34<linux7>how to get the oxygen icon's in lxde ?
15:34<aura>i've disabled and killed pulseaudio, currently running alsa-jack
15:35*dboles googles lxde change icon theme
15:35<dboles>https://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXAppearance
15:35<sicelo>configured correctly? latencies can be problematic with jack on bad config
15:35<dboles>aura: i'm using same version on jessie and have no issues, but not using jack so can't comment much further
15:36<linux7>i remember that dboles from Kali linux with the lxde
15:36<linux7>total forgot that haha :)
15:36<sicelo>any reason you're not using pulseaudio btw?
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15:37<aura>i've read a usefull guide about it
15:38<aura>though i still have errors
15:39<sicelo>aura: the problem is in figuring out the correct values for *your* system ... someone else's values may not work well for yours
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15:39<sicelo>that's the problem with jack (well ... i love jack too)
15:40<aura>alsaplayer works fine
15:41<aura>I thought it may be the browser
15:41<sicelo>what are your machine specs?
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15:41<aura>hardware? I'm using an external audio interface
15:42<aura>uu
15:43<aura>could it be the video card?
15:44<aura>now that i think about it i'm getting these glitch on videolan as well
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15:44<sicelo>by the way your log does not really say much unfortunately, which makes helping difficult.
15:45<aura>i have a nvidia 780ti, didn't install any drivers
15:45<sicelo>but as dboles mentioned, FF does not really have a problem
15:45<dboles>if you're getting the same issue on other apps, that points to the sound setup overall, not any one app itself
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15:47<aura>does nvidia graphics card require some drivers in order to work fine?
15:48<qxt>aura, most graphics cards that are newish do need drivers.
15:49<aura>bug found
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15:49<aura>still videos play fine without autio
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15:51<sicelo>your jack config is suspect. that's where you should focus your efforts
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15:51<dboles>bug found? where?
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15:52<aura>sicelo what should i do to fix jack?
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15:53<sicelo>not easy to answer - i don't know what's up with your machine/setup - start with minimal settings
15:54<sicelo>which guid are you following by the way?
15:55<rory1>I cannot get my hp DY651A (A three button mouse with no scroll wheel) to scroll when I move the mouse and hold down the middle mouse button, but my finnicky serial 3 button mouse and my 3 button trackpoint do it just fine
15:56<aura>sicelo http://marzen.de/Holger/pulseaudio_and_jack/
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15:58<rory1>Is there anything I can do to change my middle button to scroll like my trackpoint and my serial mouse?
15:59<linux7>dboles
15:59<yulax>rory1: see xinput rules
15:59<linux7>this is so much better :)
16:00<dboles>linux7: yeah it's pretty great! one of these days i'll download lxde/openbox on my main machine and see what's new
16:01<linux7>with the netinstall .iso of debian jessie you can install lxde/openbox with 1 click on the mouse dboles
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16:01<dboles>too bad i use unstable on said machine :P
16:01<sicelo>aura: if you're using qjackctl, you should be able to see the number of xruns - tweak the values to get the lowest possible number of xruns
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16:01<linux7>oh yes ofcourse :)
16:01<linux7>but i must NOT remove the gnome desktop , dboles ?
16:02<linux7>i don't think that's an good idea
16:02<linux7>because the gnome desktop was the first desktop in this installation
16:02<dboles>there's no reason you can't remove it, but if you think you might want to go back to it, it's hardly worth removing, unless you're running out of disk space or whatever
16:03<linux7>hmm i have enough disk space
16:03<dboles>debian is well enough maintained and tested that theres not going to be some mystical rule that you must always keep installed whatever DE you originally chose
16:03<rory1>There we go
16:03<rory1>it's inverted
16:03<rory1>but there we go
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16:03<dboles>don't wait for us to tell you how to un-invert it, then
16:04<linux7>yep the orgiginally chose indeed dboles
16:04<linux7>i don't remove gnome then
16:04<linux7>it was the first chose.
16:04<dboles>no, what i meant was that it being your first choice is irrelevant
16:04<dboles>and there is no reason that you cannot safely remove it
16:04<linux7>indeed
16:04<linux7>i remember it from last summer.....
16:04<linux7>you are right :)
16:05<dboles>personally i probably wouldn't bother as it might be useful later, but it won't hurt if you do remove it
16:05<linux7>''gnome runs on the background now'' something like that
16:05<dboles>no gnome component should run if you are not using gnome
16:05<linux7>hmmm i let it stay for sure :)
16:06<dboles>if something does keep running when you are in another desktop environment, and it's something that gnome started for you (i.e. it's not something you added yourself), then that's probably bug worthy
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16:06<linux7>indeed
16:07<linux7>my god i have for my feeling the entire distrowatch in my virtualbox
16:07<linux7>linux house here :P
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16:10<uaaaaaaaargs>Hoi - trying to install flash-nonfree on a new jessie, but I get a wget error. Now, I was doing some googling, but the information is "all over the place", aka where to put the .so if I download the PAPI from adobe directly. I am just after reinstalling debian as I messed it up big time and i don't want to break it again, so, what'll be the best to do?
16:10<uaaaaaaaargs>my government requires flash for the "secure communication" website :s
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16:11<linux7>you have the .deb file from debian.org uaaaaaaaargs ?
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16:11<linux7>that is correct
16:11<linux7>the wget is broken in that .deb file
16:12<uaaaaaaaargs>nope, just ran sudo apt-get install
16:12<dboles>"I get an wget error"
16:12<dboles>...which is?
16:12<dboles>a 404 perhaps?
16:12<uaaaaaaaargs>ERROR: wget failed to download https://fpdownload.adobe.com/get/flashplayer/pdc/24.0.0.186/flash_player_npapi_linux.x86_64.tar.gz More information might be available at: http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
16:12<linux7>same here uaaaaaaaaaaaargs
16:12<uaaaaaaaargs>I thought about pepper flash, but I am unsure, I somehow "remember" that pepper is "outdated"
16:13<uaaaaaaaargs>stupid revenue ^^
16:14<zeta>uaaaaaaaargs: somebody else had success with this https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=851066#30 today for firefox
16:14<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/851066 in flashplugin-nonfree (open, security): «flashplugin-nonfree: Mismatch between detected and available versions (Download file not available at people.debian.org)»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-01-11; last modified: 2017-05-08.
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16:15<uaaaaaaaargs>hm, firefox might be an alternative I can get this one page to work (I'm using chromium otherwise)
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16:16<linux7>pepper does't work for me uaaaaaaaaaaaargs
16:16<zeta>if you're lucky it works for both browsers, but i haven't tried it myself
16:17<zeta>assuming chromium hasn't killed that plugin interface
16:19<blast007>uaaaaaaaargs: thre's a workaround here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=851066#30
16:20<blast007>sorry, someone else already mentioned that
16:20<blast007>:)
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16:21<zeta>blast007: yeah, i thought i was remembering this problem and scrolled up to what you said
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16:22<uaaaaaaaargs>just looking at that, not sure how to "Register the plugin:" as im not sure where the linebreaks go :s
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16:23<uaaaaaaaargs>No linebreak is the answer *lol*
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16:24<uaaaaaaaargs>cool, that works fore firefox! Thanks folks, your help is greatly appreciated, as alwasy. I don't know what id be doing without this chatroom :)
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17:03<mrb>Hi Everyone, could someone help me regarding my video drivers on a thinpad with a fresh installation of Debian Jesse? Would be highly appreciated. Cheers
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17:03<keep>boots
17:03<keep>aa
17:03<zeta>mrb: ask your question
17:03<keep>oi
17:04<keep>speak portugês
17:04<mrb>Thanks for you response Zeta. I have cinnamon running in software rendering mode.
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17:05<mrb>I have got the thinkpad e450 with the dual graphics.
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17:05<hgjkkjjk>yo
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17:07<dboles>methnks dpkg should just automatically fire !ask every time someone says only a greeting
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17:08<piper>that would be a mess
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17:08<mrb>I have tried all the steps in the wiki what concerns the intel laptop drivers and the ATI drivers, but it did not really worked out. With the ATI drivers and a restart I have bricked the machine and I had to recover it from advanced mode.
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17:09<mrb>The core problem is partially that this system runs an intel graphic card and a ATI R7 as well...
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17:10<zeta>https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo#Hybrid_Graphics only mentions stretch. i'm uncertain whether a backported kernel will work
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17:10<mrb>So in case you could help me out that would be great.
17:10<dboles>piper: lol probably
17:10<zeta>and i don't have any experience with hybrid amd graphics, maybe someone else does
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17:11<mrb>I have seen that article, but did not dare to go down on that road, none the less I'm running jesse
17:11<mrb>In case stretch would solve my graphics troubles I would be open to upgrade
17:11<mrb>I would like to think most of my applications would run
17:13<mrb>I have got a fresh install no obstacles or data migration needed...
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17:15<zeta>mrb: it appears that new mesa is also available backported to jessie, so if you want you can give that a shot and upgrade both mesa and the kernel
17:16<zeta>dpkg: tell mrb about bdo kernel
17:16<zeta>or try stretch if you like
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17:17<piper>mrb: what does lspci -nn | grep '\[03' say
17:17<mrb>so that sounds like to me that I can't lose much
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17:17<mrb> lspci -nn | grep '\[03'
17:18<mrb>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Integrated Graphics [8086:1616] (rev 09)
17:18<mrb>05:00.0 Display controller [0380]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Topaz XT [Radeon R7 M260/M265] [1002:6900]
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17:18<mrb>that is magic it did not bring both card up
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17:18<mrb>till now
17:19<piper>is that a dell, toshiba ?
17:19<zykotick9>mrb: if you try with a v does it show both? "lspci -vnn | grep '\[03' "
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17:20<piper>that command should show both
17:20<zykotick9>mrb: or if that still fails, what about "lspci -vnn | grep -i vga"?
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17:20<piper>[5/15/17 5:18 pm] <mrb> till now i take/read that it shows both
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17:21<zeta>they did paste two lines each containing a graphics card
17:21<zykotick9>piper: mrb sorry - i missunderstood, piper's command DID show both.
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17:22<mrb>pretty much. it is a thinkpad e450
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17:28<mrb>One sec
17:28<piper>mrb: do you have firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-misc-nonfree installed
17:28*piper really not up to date with intel or amd cards
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17:31<mrb>To Sum up the situation V1:
17:31<mrb>Core problem: Debian Jesse 8 Fresh Installation with Cinnamon running in software rendering mode on a Lenovo Thinkpad e450. This machine has two video cards:
17:31<mrb>root@thinkpad:/home/mrb# lspci -vnn | grep -i vga
17:31<mrb>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Integrated Graphics [8086:1616] (rev 09) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
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17:33<piper>mrb anything over 2 lines please use paste or you'll get kicked because of flood
17:34<mrb2>Sorry for the flood... I just pasted the results...
17:34<mrb2>noted
17:35<dboles>debhelper: harsh but fair :P
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17:35<piper>mrb2: we actually need the link for the paste :)
17:36<mrb2>in a moment
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17:43<mrb2>https://codeshare.io/5okp0Y
17:43<piper>one thing i do know the R7 m260 is a volcanic island card
17:44<mrb2>What is a volcanic island card?
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17:45<piper>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Radeon_Rx_200_Series
17:47<mrb2>Certainly. In effect what would be the translation of that to my debian linux with cinnamon effect for the making the gpu work?
17:49<CompWizrd>i just replaced an ATI HD 6450 in my work desktop with an RX 460, the flickering and graphical corruption annoys me, but i'm running SID so i get to keep all the pieces. :)
17:49<mrb2>I think I have to offer a beer to get this puzzle solved
17:50<piper>mrb2: i have to google foo, i run sid
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17:51<mrb2>so it might be a solution to upgrade and see what happens?
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17:51<piper>mrb2: what drivers have you installed if any ?
17:51<mrb2>none what so ever
17:51<piper>or firmware
17:51<piper>ok
17:51<mrb2>I have failed with the installations suggested in the wiki
17:52<mrb2>either for the ATI or Intel drivers
17:52<mrb2>Whit the ATI drivers I have bricked the system
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17:52<mrb2>I had to start it in advanced mode. Now I have got a fresh installation.
17:53<mrb2>None the less the current system have not seen any drivers.
17:53<piper>mrb2: try this, then reboot apt install firmware-amd-graphics xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu xserver-xorg-video-ati firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-misc-nonfree
17:54<mrb2>ok
17:54<mrb2>should I add the non-free repo fist?
17:54<piper>mrb2: yes, if you haven't done so already, my bad, like i said i run sid ;)
17:55<mrb2>:)
17:55<mrb2>okay
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17:56<piper>mrb2: if it fails, just purge all you installed ;)
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17:58<petn-randall>CompWizrd: That's fairly recent hardware, don't expect it work properly until the next few kernels.
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17:59<mrb2>I have added the none free repository, 'unable to locate packages' in the 'apt install firmware-amd-graphics xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu xserver-xorg-video-ati firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-misc-nonfree' command.
18:00<piper>apt update first
18:00<mrb2>has been done
18:00<CompWizrd>I figured as much, it's much better than the old HD 6450 was though :)
18:01<CompWizrd>two 1080p screens and a 1440p screen was murdering that card
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18:01<piper>mrb2: hmm try apt-get install instead
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18:01<mrb2>apt-get install same
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18:04<piper>hmm mrb2 does it look like deb http://site.example.com/debian stable main contrib non-free
18:05<mrb2>Hit http://httpredir.debian.org jessie/non-free Translation-en
18:05<mrb2>on: apt-get update
18:05<mrb2>one of the last hits
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18:06<CompWizrd>didn't httpredir get discontinued recently?
18:06<piper>mrb2: can you paste your sources
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18:06<mrb2>1s
18:06<CompWizrd>though users shouldn't see a change apparently
18:06<piper>CompWizrd: http://httpredir.debian.org/ still works
18:07<CompWizrd>works, but it's a redir now :)
18:07<mrb2>https://codeshare.io/5wyDPx
18:07<piper>well i use incoming any ways
18:09<piper>mrb2: comment out lines 7 & 8 and try again
18:10<mrb2>ok
18:10<piper>5 i would do too, but that is me
18:10<piper>hell, 14 & 15 basically anything ftp
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18:14<mrb2>I have got to know about discontinuing the ftp services, but on the site and in the installer provided options it is still pretty much present
18:14<mrb2>So what would be an ideal conf for europe?
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18:14<piper>ftp is dead in debian https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170425
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18:15<mrb2>piper: it remained the same. unable to locate package
18:16<mrb2>So ftp will be shot down in November 1.
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18:24<piper>mrb2: sorry had to take a call
18:25<piper>mrb2: what does this give you apt install firmware-amd-graphics
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18:27<mrb2>'E: Unable to locate package firmware-amd-graphics
18:27<mrb2>'
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18:35<piper>mrb: apt install xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-radeon if that gives errors try changing your sources, unless someone see's something in your sources that i don't see
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18:43<mrb>https://codeshare.io/5wyDPx updated
18:44<mrb>maybe a restart?
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18:46<piper>hmm, well, been installed all this time, i don't now what comes installed in stable, been about 2 decades since i last used stable
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18:47<mrb>and how is sid working out for you?
18:48<mrb>can you operate without major disturbances?
18:48<piper>mrb: can you disable the intel card in bios
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18:49<mrb>if I can recall correctly I'm not sure if I have the option
18:49<piper>i have no problems in sid, but, if you break it, you keep the pieces, you have to know how to fix it
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18:50<mrb>but that certainly narrow down the chances to install at least one good card at least
18:50<piper>the freeze helps for newer people
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18:50<piper>mrb: i have no experience with a laptop nor dual cards, i have no use for either
18:50<cockroach>i just upgraded a system to stretch and now it boots to emergency mode after saying "A start job is running for dev-sda2" for a while. After pressing ctrl-d it boots normally and mounts sda2 correctly. any idea what's wrong there?
18:51<piper>cockroach: check you fstab and run blkid and make sure it fstab matches blkid
18:51<piper>run blkid as root
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18:51<mrb>piper: I'm going to check the bios and restart see you in a bit
18:52<piper>mrb: ok, i am going for a beer and a smoke
18:52<cockroach>piper: i don't have ids in fstab, i have device names (eg. /dev/sda2 /home [...])
18:52<mrb>enjoy
18:52<mrb>same here
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18:53<piper>cockroach: well your going to have to figure that out, it's much better using uuid for reasons like this, or take notes on what is what
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18:53<cockroach>piper: hmm yeah, to me sda2 is rather more intuitive than some random ID. but I guess I can give it a try
18:55<piper>cockroach: it might be a little time consuming but i am sure you will figure it out, you can try and comment it out in fstab one by one
18:55<piper>cockroach: did you install another distro or change drives
18:55<cockroach>piper: no, neither
18:56<piper>hmm, odd, very common when installing another distro to a different partition
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18:57<piper>cockroach: still chek fstab matches
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18:58<cockroach>piper: i replaced the sda2 entry with a matching UUID but the result is the same, I get the knight rider animation while it tries to find the partition
18:59<cockroach>then, after hitting ctrl-d, it boots normally
18:59<piper>yes, i know what your talking about ;)
18:59<cockroach>:)
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19:00<mrb>piper: nothing changed after the restart. In the BIOS I have not found anything graphics related. There were no settings to disable one or another
19:00<piper>cockroach: i kinda have mine like this as example UUID=0236d812-1bda-4b81-846a-19dff5d663b0 /disks/disk3part1 ext4 auto,users,rw,exec,relatime 0 0
19:00<esaym153>is exim4 still supposed to be installed by default on Stretch? (because I just installed stretch and I don't have anything for an MTA)
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19:02<cockroach>piper: mine says "UUID[..] /home xfs noatime,discard 0 2"
19:02<piper>mrb: i am out of ideas https://www.google.com/search?q=xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu#q=R7+m260+and+xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
19:02<newhere911>hey guys
19:02<cockroach>hi
19:03<piper>cockroach: is that a seperate home partition ?
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19:03<cockroach>piper: yep
19:03<piper>ouch
19:03<cockroach>why ouch?
19:04<cockroach>it's a bit old school, admittedly. :)
19:04<piper>well, i am one of the oddballs that don't recoomend that, but i am nobody, i don't use one
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19:06<piper>and some use it system to system with so many changes in configs it mess things up, but, that is me
19:06<piper>or distro to distro or worse ubunto to debian etc
19:06<cockroach>yikes, who would run ubuntu?
19:06<cockroach>:)
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19:07<piper>cockroach: i hear ya, but you'd be suprised what i have seen
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19:07<cockroach>piper: heh I suppose I would
19:08<piper>i haven't ran xfs in like forever, when i did it was my mythtv server
19:08<cockroach>still, it's strange that it wouldn't be able to mount that
19:08<cockroach>I use it pretty much for everything
19:08<piper>something had to change during the upgrade
19:09<cockroach>indeed. it boots normally if I use the old (sysvinit) entry
19:09<cockroach>so I suppose it's somehow related to systemd
19:09<mrb>thanks piper: will try to uoga
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19:10<mrb>upgrade and try oveú
19:10<piper>mrb: soory couldn't help more ;(
19:10<piper>sorry even
19:10<mrb>no worries
19:11<mrb>this sounds like issue requiring some rare black magic
19:11<piper>ja true
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21:14<jack>how do I install qt4 libs on stretch?
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21:27<dvs>jack, apt-get install qt-sdk
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21:40<jack>dvs: ok so its actually a specific qtmobility thing that doesnt seem to be a package
21:41<jack>qtmultimedia5-dev is the qt5 dep
21:41<jack>but for some reason this app uses both qt4 and 5 libs
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21:59<jack>dvs: i figured out my problem qmake5 is hidden somewhere and not the defautl qmake
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22:00<dvs>good
22:01<robr4f_debian>sorry, dvs, what is qt-sdk ?
22:01<robr4f_debian>what does this package do ?
22:02<dvs>robr4f_debian, install everyting qt4
22:02<robr4f_debian>sorry, dvs, didn't understand that...
22:03<dvs>robr4f_debian, installs everything related to Qt4
22:03<robr4f_debian>and it requires 270 MB files
22:03<dvs>it's big!
22:04<robr4f_debian>yes, dvs, in fact. oh, ok, sorry for my ignorance, but what does qt4 do ?
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22:04<dvs>robr4f_debian, why are you trying to install something you don't know what it does?
22:05<robr4f_debian>no, I'm not intended to install it, just would like to know what does it do in debian or any linux distro...
22:05<robr4f_debian>can't you explain me that ?
22:06<blast007>apt show qt-sdk
22:06<dvs>robr4f_debian, it is a programming framework to create gui applications, like KDE.
22:06<robr4f_debian>ok, blast007, thanks for hint !
22:06<robr4f_debian>I see dvs, thanks for information :)
22:07<robr4f_debian>used blast007 suggestion here, now I undertand this tool, thank you blast007 and dvs !! :)
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22:22<white_so`>whois l
22:22<white_so`>whoise dondelelcaro
22:23<sney>!irc primer
22:23<dpkg>"A Short IRC Primer": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html . See also "The IRC Prelude": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html
22:24<white_so`>I need debian mentor
22:26<sney>white_so`: do not private message people without permission
22:26<sney>if you have a question, ask it
22:27<white_so`>I'm trying to become Debian maintainer. I'm looking for someone.
22:27<sney>ah, the channel for that is #debian-mentors
22:28<white_so`>I see, thank you!
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22:41<Loeb>Did something change with the vfio-pci driver lately? I haven't updated my kernel but it's missing from the drivers folder in /sys/bus/pci
22:41<Loeb>On deb testing, all I've done is ran apt-get upgrade
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22:42<sney>testing support is in #debian-next, but maybe there was a kernel upgrade
22:42<Loeb>ty
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22:57-!-demo [~demo@189.202.86.200.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #debian
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22:58-!-csotelo is "realname" on #debian-es #debian
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22:59-!-contrapunctus is "unknown" on #debian
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23:01-!-brians_ is "brian" on #oftc #qemu #debian-voip #ceph
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23:07-!-shiki is "Unknown" on #debian #debian-next
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23:23-!-dardevelin_ is "realname" on #debian #debian-next #luakit #debian-mentors #kernel-outreachy
23:25-!-dardevelin__ [~dardeveli@198.119.249.5.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #debian
23:25-!-dardevelin__ is "realname" on #debian #debian-next #luakit #debian-mentors #kernel-outreachy
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23:31-!-bnw is "realname" on #debian-next #debian #debian-zh #dot
23:31-!-mortalius__ [~mortalius@AAmiens-654-1-128-188.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
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23:32-!-Tempesta [Tempesta@0002028b.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian
23:32-!-Tempesta is "ChoiKyuSang" on #debian #smuxi
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23:40-!-pi_ is "Your Name" on #debian #smuxi
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23:49-!-claw is ",,," on #debian-lts #debian #debian-kde
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23:51-!-robr4f_debian [~debian_r4@201-95-4-157.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
23:52-!-mode/#debian [+l 727] by debhelper
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23:56-!-Horachi [~Horachi@70.15.146.160.res-cmts.eph2.ptd.net] has joined #debian
23:56-!-Horachi is "realname" on #debian #debian-boot #debian-systemd #tor #debian-next #otr #debian-apt
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23:58-!-awal1 is "realname" on #debian-next #debian
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