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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-05-18

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01:11<gtristan>So I did `apt-cache rdepends systemtap-sdt-dev`, and there is nothing that depends on systemtap-sdt-dev, apparently
01:12<gtristan>However, when using this package list at the top https://bpaste.net/show/e41f05d13b68 ... to run debootstrap... systemtap-sdt-dev is added
01:12<gtristan>Why is that ?
01:12<gtristan>And more importantly, I have tried --exclude=systemtap-sdt-dev on the debootstrap command line, but it _still_ gets added
01:13<gtristan>How can I rid myself of systemtap-sdt-dev ? (please :D)
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01:18<jm_>liblttng-ust-dev depends on it, are you using that?
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01:19<gtristan>hmm
01:20<gtristan>looks like my apt-cache is not responding anything for either of those with `rdepends`
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01:20<gtristan>jm_, but it's indeed in my list... lemme check why I added that
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01:21<gtristan>looks like I added that package because of https://git.gnome.org/browse/jhbuild/tree/modulesets/gnome-sysdeps-3.26.modules#n1217
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01:22<gtristan>hrm, so ideally I want to keep it around, but, I dont want the broken /usr/bin/dtrace which systemtap-sdt-dev gives me :-S
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01:23<gtristan>maybe I can still have it, but somehow configure the installation so that /usr/bin/dtrace is not used by default ?
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01:25<jm_>if you have another package providing it then perhaps look at diversions, man dpkg-divert
01:29<gtristan>I dont think there is another package providing it
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01:30<gtristan>My issue is by default, when I build glib, it tries to use it, and passes -fPIC to it, then the build fails; so I'd just prefer to not have it
01:30<gtristan>However, *maybe* I could divert it to something else
01:30<gtristan>just to make sure it's never found or used
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04:38<david>lol
04:38<david>eila
04:38<spunky00>porcodio
04:38<david>dio cane
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04:38<spunky00>madonnastregahbvhfuvuncugvuihwevujwbre
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04:48<itd>Where can I complain about /msg spam?
04:48<illwieckz>same :/
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04:48<illwieckz>that's annoying, got 5 in a row
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04:49<pags>yea, heaps of spam going on
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04:50<petn-randall>itd, illwieckz, pags, report it to #oftc.
04:50<Lobster22>itd if you repost the spam in #oftc...they can see and kill the bot..
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04:50<Ganneff>if you post spamlines again, you are quite stupid and get yourself kicked
04:50<petn-randall>Also: https://www.oftc.net/UserModes/
04:50<Ganneff>dont do it
04:50<petn-randall>A +g or +G would help.
04:50<pags>id be flooding the channel report all that
04:51<matrix>hey can help me cracking code of blockchain
04:51<petn-randall>matrix: How is that relevant to the channel topic?
04:51<matrix>may be
04:52<illwieckz>not
04:52<matrix>i going to do that
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04:54<petn-randall>!next
04:54<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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04:59<itd>all: Thank you. :)
05:00<Lobster22>Ganneff your such a cute teddy bear
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05:01<Ganneff>someones suicide happy?
05:01<Lobster22>suicide?
05:02<Lobster22>Ganneff calm your tits down
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05:08<lenard>Hi, were there any recent discussions about this? https://grsecurity.net/passing_the_baton.php
05:09<lenard>AFAIK Debian ships the latest test patchset
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05:19<itd>lenard: https://www.corsac.net/?rub=blog&post=1587
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05:24<lenard>itd: Thanks
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05:32<petn-randall>Anyone getting spammed: "/mode <yournick> +G" should do the trick.
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05:43<jm_>hehe I looked up user modes when spams started and discovered +G :P
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06:37<witchesgrass_>hweloo
06:37<witchesgrass_>kali user?
06:37<zeta>!kali
06:37<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
06:38<zeta>^^^ you will find kali users there
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08:29<urajoo>Have a question, I downloaded and installed debian 8 and my GUI's particularly GNOME (the updated one) freezes on me. Could it be my driver? Any tips on how to fix? I don't know why but at startup it say "no controller found" I don't know if that's related. Thanks
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08:35<petn-randall>urajoo: What graphics card do you have?
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08:35<urajoo>I was also going to ask how to find this in the terminal :/ lol sorry i know it's something somethig grep | lol
08:36<petn-randall>urajoo: You can run 'lspci -nn' as root, and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net.
08:37<urajoo>6] (rev b1)
08:37<urajoo>02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation C79 [GeForce 9400M] [10de:0863] (rev b1)
08:38<urajoo>sorry I didn't see your last message lol
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08:39<zeta>urajoo: did you mean to paste one or two lines? we got one and a little bit
08:40<urajoo>urajoo@debian:~$ isusb
08:40<urajoo>bash: isusb: command not found
08:40<urajoo>urajoo@debian:~$ sudo lspci -nn
08:40<urajoo>[sudo] password for urajoo:
08:40<urajoo>00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: NVIDIA Corporation MCP79 Host Bridge [10de:0a82] (rev b1)
08:40-!-urajoo was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
08:40<zeta>welp
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08:44<urajoo>http://paste.debian.net/933003
08:45<urajoo>sorry I didn't know how to use it...
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08:49<gtristan>So I have weird linkage problems when trying to build on top of a debian base, the issue arises when I install libraries onto that base which already exist in my debootstrapped copy
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08:50<gtristan>This is a tricky problem so sorry if I have not understood the problem completely, first I have tried adding my own 00-priority.conf to /etc/ld.conf.so.d with the /usr/lib directory listed, so that everything I build into /usr/lib should take precedence over anything else on the system
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08:50<gtristan>Sadly this only works up until a certain point
08:51<gtristan>Now I've tried configuring my build software so that everything tries to install into /lib/${linux-gnu-triple}
08:51<gtristan>Or /usr/lib/${linux-gnu-triple}
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08:52<gtristan>Now thats fun, I get a bit further; but for some whacky reason; when I install glib with --libdir=/lib/${linux-gnu-triple}, then I get to override libglib, but libgobject and others stay at the old version (cause debian has them in /usr/lib/${triplet} instead)
08:52<gtristan>Very strange
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08:56<piper>urajoo: your best bet is probably https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver as nouveau just doesn't cut it for many
08:56<urajoo>Hey guys switched from mint, then bodhi, now debian 8, most of my GUIS will freeze at times for about 30 seconds, GNOME in particular freezes almost immediately, here is my graphics card. Can someone help?
08:56<urajoo>http://paste.debian.net/933003
08:57<gtristan>looks like source package has an install file that says "usr/lib/${DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH}/libglib*.so.* lib/${DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH}", yay lets put things all over the place :)
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08:57<gtristan>Any rationale at all behind splitting things up between /lib and /usr/lib ?
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08:58<piper>urajoo: your freezing just won't happen in gnome, most likely all de's
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08:58<gtristan>maybe things in /lib are useful for an initramfs while /usr/lib is more full blown ?
08:58<gayanw>can anyone tell me the value of the key 'browser.download.importedFromSqlite' in firefox-esr about:config?
08:58<urajoo>yeah they all freeze, but GNOME freezes immediately and permanently
08:59<piper>urajoo: did you see my post above about legacy 340
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09:00<urajoo>No I'll look
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09:00<urajoo>Yeah I didn't see that. Thanks I'll check it out and get back later. I appreciate your help
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09:01<gayanw>Anyone here using firefox-esr?
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09:01<piper>gayanw: i run firefox nightly, it is set to true ;)
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09:02<gayanw>piper: but in mine it's type String
09:02<itd>gayanw: Why do you ask?
09:02<gayanw>I accidentally reset it and forgot to copy the original value
09:03<gayanw>it did have some value not the default
09:03<petn-randall>gayanw: Mine is "true". But just just right-click then "reset".
09:03<gtristan>Ah... nailed it, finally; I needed to really hammer that linker though: A.) ld.so.conf configuration... B.) LDFLAGS=-L/usr/lib C.) LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib
09:03<piper>browser.download.importedFromSqlite modified boolean true just hit reset
09:04<gtristan>missing any one of those, causes crazy
09:06<gayanw>piper: it is already reset and have status:default, type:string and have no value
09:06<gayanw>before resetting it had some value, which i dont remember
09:08<gayanw>i had some problems with downloading. so I reset those. no big deal though
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09:09<piper>well, i don't know what the default is in ff-esr, your going to have to make your own under status, right click > new mine is modified under type mine is boolean and value is true
09:11<itd>gayanw: It is a bool.
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09:11<itd>gayanw: If it is not either true or false it is assumed to be false.
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09:11<itd>gayanw: It is only set in this function: https://sources.debian.net/src/firefox-esr/45.9.0esr-1/toolkit/components/jsdownloads/src/DownloadIntegration.jsm/?hl=209#L209
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09:13<itd>gayanw: So if any value other than true (type bool) causes trouble try what piper suggested and set it to true.
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09:15<piper>yeah ff-esr might be different, i am using Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:55.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/55.0 ID:20170517100341 CSet: 6e3ca5b38f7173b214b10de49e58cb01890bf39d
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09:16<gayanw>itd: piper: thank you both. I'll keep it to the default and see : )
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09:17<piper>gayanw: yeah, thats about the best you can do, hell, backup or screenshot shit before changes is always a great practice ;)
09:18<gayanw>haha. will do next time
09:18<piper>but, not doing so is also experience gained (fixing it)
09:18<piper>:)
09:19<piper>i've been on nightly since day one, i know nothing else ;)
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09:20<gayanw>My first time here at #debian. Quite new to debian as well.
09:20<piper>gayanw: welcome to debian :)
09:21<gayanw>piper: ty : )
09:22<gayanw>I don't like to update. so will stick with esr
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09:49<Komputerfreak>it would be good to install the security update if possible
09:49<Komputerfreak>so hackers can not use the security holes programmers already found and published
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09:52<petn-randall>Komputerfreak: How does that relate to firefox ESR though?
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10:20<Komputerfreak>firefox should also be updated i suppose
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10:27<piper>Komputerfreak: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq/
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10:28<piper>Komputerfreak: and no-one forces you to use esr ;)
10:28<piper>or firefox ;)
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10:29<petn-randall>Komputerfreak: ESR *does* get security updates, just no feature updates.
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10:30<Komputerfreak>yes - but it is all for naught if you don't apply them ^
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11:39<linux7>guys i need help
11:39<linux7>how to put the sound ON in the LXDE desktop in debian jessie ?
11:40<bremner>running pulse audio or no?
11:40<linux7>i want sound out of my speakers
11:40<linux7>alsaguimixer is not working
11:41<linux7>* alsamixergui
11:41<blast007>!not working
11:41<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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13:05<QuakerOates>hi all
13:05<QuakerOates>am wondering if any1 can help with a hp proliant gen9/debian question
13:05<blast007>possibly
13:06<petn-randall>QuakerOates: Only if you ask :)
13:06<QuakerOates>to install debian on proliant gen 9 server do i need eufi support or can i disable on the server and boot in legacy mode?
13:06<QuakerOates>thx :)
13:06<blast007>Debian 8 can do either
13:06<blast007>just can't do Secure Boot
13:07<petn-randall>QuakerOates: Both works, you can install Debian in legacy mode or in EUFI mode. You just can't switch after installation.
13:07<QuakerOates>ok
13:07<QuakerOates>great
13:08<QuakerOates>i just wondered if there is any performance benifit having eufi enabled
13:08<QuakerOates>i have another question and hope its last one :)
13:09<petn-randall>QuakerOates: No performance difference, it's only relevant for booting. I'd go with UEFI mode, though.
13:09<QuakerOates>just grabbing the image i took with install error
13:09<QuakerOates>petn-randall ty for clarifying, helps alot
13:10<petn-randall>QuakerOates: What error did you get?
13:10<QuakerOates>i have deb install on the proliant dl380 but during install complain about driver/firmware install of my 8 nics
13:10<QuakerOates>1 x 4port broadcom card
13:10<QuakerOates>and 1 x 4port intel card
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13:10<petn-randall>QuakerOates: You can try using the netinstaller with firmware.
13:10<QuakerOates>just finding image
13:10<blast007>!firmware images
13:10<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. From Debian 9 "Stretch", DVD1+firmware is also available.
13:10<petn-randall>!firmware installer
13:11<QuakerOates>ok
13:11<QuakerOates>yea read a little about that
13:11<QuakerOates>problem is
13:11<QuakerOates>the server is not exposed to internet
13:11<QuakerOates>and also download as recommedned in wiki debian article the firmware driver
13:11<blast007>then just install without network connectivity and add the firmware afterwards from a USB stick
13:13<QuakerOates>i did that
13:13<QuakerOates>although
13:13<QuakerOates>usb stick part
13:13<QuakerOates>i cant get right
13:13<QuakerOates>so i have the drivers tar extracted ot usb now
13:13<blast007>should be a .deb, not a tar.gz
13:13<QuakerOates>but down know how to trigger the install of the firmware
13:14<QuakerOates>hmm
13:14<QuakerOates>debian 8.8.0 is what ive installed
13:14<blast007>which broadcom is this?
13:14<QuakerOates>one min
13:14<QuakerOates>need to dig this info out
13:14<QuakerOates>laptop bit slow
13:15<blast007>'lspci -nn' should get you the info
13:16<blast007>https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-bnx2 <-- and then see if it's listed here
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13:17<QuakerOates>blast007 yes
13:17<QuakerOates>bnx2 drivers
13:17<QuakerOates>so iread this
13:17<QuakerOates>https://wiki.debian.org/HP/ProLiant
13:17<blast007>k, then download the .deb from https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/firmware-bnx2x/download
13:17<QuakerOates>and downloaded these http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-nonfree_0.43.tar.gz
13:17<QuakerOates>nics are
13:18<QuakerOates>HP Ethernet 1Gb 4-port 331i Adapter - NIC & HPE Ethernet 1Gb 4-port 366FLR Adapter
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13:20<QuakerOates>what do i do after download
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13:20<blast007>if 0.43 is supposed to work, jut get the .deb then
13:20<QuakerOates>now that deb is insatleld?
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13:20<QuakerOates>and dont have net access on the box
13:21<QuakerOates>deb=debian os
13:21<blast007>copy the .deb to a USB, put it into the server, mount it, and then 'dpkg -i /path/to/usb/firmware-bnx2x_0.43_all.deb'
13:21<QuakerOates>cool
13:21<QuakerOates>thx blast007
13:21<QuakerOates>that was the magic steps/commands i needed
13:21<QuakerOates>will give it a shot
13:22<blast007>and then reboot afterwards so that it loads the firmware
13:22<QuakerOates>also thanks petn-randall and others :)
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14:15<spacebug^>Ok, so I'm having trubles with network and getting the container to start. My .config/lxc/defalt.conf => https://pastebin.com/7NF2SVgX my /etc/lxc/default.conf => https://pastebin.com/rYuPQMRd my /etc/lxc-net => https://pastebin.com/0DeAxaVg
14:15<spacebug^>what am I doing wrong?
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14:44<Hoovsenberg>Hello, I've got myself a little situation; my notebook has a remote control, and I want to make the KEY_NEXT and KEY_PREVIOUS work; evtest tells me they are recognized, but no shortcut input window recognizes them
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14:46<Hoovsenberg>I've thought about making them work as KEY_NEXTSONG and KEY_PREVIOUSSONG, because those are recognized multimedia inputs; but I have no idea how
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14:46<Hoovsenberg>The remote control works for other functions such as volume control and KEY_PLAYPAUSE, but I can't seem to figure out how to make those two keys work; Thanks in advance
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14:55<themusicgod1>re:bug 154281 ...the original request was for a dfsg program, what got put in debian was a contrib/binary workaround from a trusted third party(=security hole?). Was there any discussion on this in april or did it just happen? Should this rfp really be closed since the dfsg version is not in debian?
14:58<bremner>themusicgod1: what rfp?
14:59<bremner>usually any discussion would happen on the bug in question
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14:59<themusicgod1>the bug was archived immediately after it was closed...
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15:01<themusicgod1>bremner: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=154281
15:01<blast007>Hoovsenberg: possibly some useful info here? https://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard/MultimediaKeys
15:02<themusicgod1>no discussion since 2003 and then suddenly closed
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15:04<bremner>themusicgod1: there's probably a good reason libdvdcss is in contrib. If you disagree you could open a bug explaining why, but please try to understand the existing situation first
15:07<blast007>themusicgod1: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687624
15:07<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/687624 in wnpp (closed): «ITP: libdvdcss-pkg -- automated installer for libdvdcss»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2012-09-14; last modified: 2015-08-25.
15:08<themusicgod1>fair enough
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15:11<spacebug^>I'm having trouble with LXC. I had problems with network to start with.. now I have done something and have trouble woth cgruops :(
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15:13<Hoovsenberg>blast007: That page tells me to use xev to find out the keycodes of my desired keys; evtest tells me they are 407 and 412, but they do not appear on xev
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15:15<Hoovsenberg>I've 'xmodmap'ed keys 407 and 412 to XF86AudioNext and
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15:15<Hoovsenberg>XF86AudioPrev, but no success
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15:24<blast007>Hoovsenberg: I think I just had xmodmap dump out the list of bindings and found what keycode was mapped to the XF86Audio* stuff I wanted to change and used that keycode value
15:25<blast007>but it was certainly a struggle..
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15:29<spacebug^>I'm having trouble with LXC => https://pastebin.com/QyVmP2Ag
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15:30<Hoovsenberg>so now I'm trying to map the desired scancodes to the desired keycodes, maybe it'll work; if they are recognized on evtest this means they have keycodes already, so I'm hoping for an override
15:31<Hoovsenberg>Seems a lot of work so I'm going to do it later; wouldn't want to break my debian by being hasty; thanks for the help
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15:33<annadane>but breaking linux is half the fun of using it >:)
15:35<Komputerfreak>what do i have to do to let other users start applications on my X-display?
15:36<themusicgod1>Komputerfreak: xhost +localhost ?
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15:38<bremner>Komputerfreak: uuh, aren't you the one with the semi-paranoid security questions?
15:38<bremner>the short answer, don't do that
15:38<themusicgod1>Komputerfreak: oh and get rid of -nolisten in /etc/X11/xinit/Xserverrc or whatever you have to do to do that
15:39<themusicgod1>Komputerfreak: but bremner speaks truth
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15:41<rebbdohr>hi, someone familiar with upgrading otrs from wheezy to jessie?
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15:42<Komputerfreak>xeyes: Can't open display 0:0
15:42<annadane>just ask, rebbdohr
15:42<Komputerfreak>sorry: Error: Can't open display: :0.0
15:42<Komputerfreak>i logged in as user1 and started xeyes in lxterminal in that session as user 2
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15:43<rebbdohr>after fixing the usual apache issues regarding deprecated config option im stuck with a maintenance page, which i cant deactivate by config
15:44<themusicgod1>Komputerfreak: also restart xorg after nolisten is removed (and make sure via ps -eaf that it isn't passed to xorg as an argument)
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15:45<annadane>dpkg familiar
15:45<dpkg>annadane: wish i knew
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15:46<rebbdohr>annadane: yes
15:46<annadane>was trying to draw a command from the bot, never mind
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15:52<Komputerfreak>i would like to allow another user with less permissions to run programs on the same screen
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15:53<Komputerfreak>xhost +localhost sounds like 'everybody can do it'
15:53<bremner>yes
15:54<Komputerfreak>is there 'userx can do it'?
15:54<bremner>not that I'm aware of
15:55<bremner>I guess you could use ssh to set something like that up.
15:55<bremner>or maybe xpra
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15:55<Komputerfreak>ah, nice idea
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16:08<danielsh`_>Hi, fresh install, my resolution is 1024x768x32, however, my monitor supports 1920x1080, how can I get that resolution?
16:08<danielsh`_>Graphic card http://paste.debian.net/933102/ (Intel B250 chipset), monitor is a Samsung S24E650PL, connected via HDMI
16:09<Brigo>danielsh`_, i use to run mate-display-properties
16:09<Brigo>danielsh`_, if you are using Mate.
16:10<Komputerfreak>what does xrandr say?
16:10<danielsh`_>pasting, one moment
16:10<danielsh`_>Komputerfreak, http://paste.debian.net/933105/
16:11<blast007>!skylake
16:11<dpkg>an <intel-gfx> chipset requiring firmware. For jessie support, enable <backports> and <non-free sources>, then install <bpo kernel>, xserver-xorg-video-intel and firmware-misc-nonfree from jessie-backports.
16:11<blast007>(this seems to be kabylake, but the same advice likely applies)
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16:12<danielsh`_>yes it's kabilake
16:12<danielsh`_>thanks, I'll enable non-free and try that
16:12<blast007>you can '/msg dpkg bpo kernel' to learn about that (as well as the other things in brackets)
16:12<danielsh`_>(the Internet said to hack xorg.conf. Glad that won't be needed)
16:12<danielsh`_>blast007, Yes, I'm familiar with the dpkg syntax :-)
16:12<blast007>needs backports too
16:13<blast007>k :)
16:13<danielsh`_>thanks for the clue though
16:13<danielsh`_>I assume the stretch kernel already has whatever the bpo kernel has, right ?
16:13<blast007>are you running Stretch?
16:14<danielsh`_>no, but I'm looking at an upgrade
16:14<blast007>then yeah, that'd be an option as well
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16:14<danielsh`_>*nod* thanks again blast007
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16:23<GeileSau81>servus ihr geilen schweine
16:24<annadane>!de
16:24<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
16:24<bremner>as much as I love flattery, see ^
16:24<GeileSau81>i love debian linux
16:24<GeileSau81>it will help make linux great again
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16:25<GeileSau81>dunno?
16:25<annadane>!chat
16:25<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
16:25<GeileSau81>@annadane: thx
16:25<GeileSau81>i want to compile a monolithic kernel right now
16:25<ach>!dpkg ach
16:25<GeileSau81>without depmod -a and modprobe, because i deleted these
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16:26<GeileSau81>i do want a really hardened system
16:26<Komputerfreak>what is the question?
16:26<ach><.<
16:26<GeileSau81>no intrusion by manipulation of modules
16:26<GeileSau81>i need a really safe system with monolithic kernel, no modules etc
16:26<GeileSau81>everything built-in
16:26<GeileSau81>it's a core-i7 3770 cpu
16:27<GeileSau81>probably i should use ubuntu, but it seems debian is more geeky
16:27<GeileSau81>i'm quite geeky, though
16:28<GeileSau81>it's not my first own-compiled kernel
16:28<GeileSau81>make menuconfig etc
16:28<GeileSau81>i know
16:28<blast007>!kernel handbook
16:28<dpkg>The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source.
16:28<annadane>!enter
16:28<acald3ron>can i make a 6in4 tunnel in a pptp or openvpn ?
16:28<Komputerfreak>sounds very oldschool, not sure if it is still possible
16:28<GeileSau81>blast007, dpkg, annadane: thank you!
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16:29<GeileSau81>i will read me in
16:29<danielsh`_>!skylake
16:29<dpkg>an <intel-gfx> chipset requiring firmware. For jessie support, enable <backports> and <non-free sources>, then install <bpo kernel>, xserver-xorg-video-intel and firmware-misc-nonfree from jessie-backports.
16:29<GeileSau81>great
16:29<danielsh`_>^^ there is no "firmware-misc-nonfree", does the bot mean "firmware-linux-nonfree" ?
16:29<GeileSau81>simply great
16:29<blast007>danielsh`_: there is in jessie-backports
16:30<GeileSau81>what a wonderful channel
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16:30<GeileSau81>see you soon, and thank you again
16:30<annadane>!next
16:30<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
16:30<blast007>make sure you're using apt-get install -t jessie-backports packagenameshere
16:30<danielsh`_>let me look again.
16:30<danielsh`_>I'm lookin in aptitude
16:30<danielsh`_>looking*
16:31<zeta>danielsh`_: did you update after adding backports to your sources.list ?
16:31<danielsh`_>yes
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16:31<GeileSau81>windows 10 is cr4ppy sh!t
16:31<danielsh`_>I copied my sources.list from another jessie installation that already had jessie-backports
16:31<danielsh`_>Oh!
16:31<danielsh`_>I see the problem, one moment
16:32<GeileSau81>wanna be fucked from behind?
16:32<blast007>!ops GeileSau81
16:32<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: blast007 complains about: GeileSau81
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16:32<GeileSau81>leave
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16:32<GeileSau81>quit 127.0.0.1
16:33<Sicelo009N>thanks blast007
16:33<GeileSau81>shice
16:33<GeileSau81>wrong channel
16:33<GeileSau81>sorry
16:33<GeileSau81>!ops
16:33<dpkg>Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
16:33<danielsh`_>I have -misc-nonfree now
16:34<danielsh`_>The package description has a list of drivers, I'm not sure which one of them is relevant for me? (Just curious)
16:37<zeta>danielsh`_: several skylake-related things are included. guc/dmc are related to graphics functionality and power management
16:39<danielsh`_>Oh, doh. I was looking at the description of the wrong package version.
16:39<danielsh`_>Thanks zeta.
16:40<danielsh`>rebooting
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16:41<GeileSau81>Deutschland?
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16:42<GeileSau81>joe /etc/apt/apt.sources.list
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16:49<danielsh`>came back with no graphics. Xorg log at http://sprung.us/bjLT , the error is near the end
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16:54<danielsh`>under the 3.16 kernel -- but with the other two packages now installed -- it enters graphics in the low resolution
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16:56<danielsh`>there's an r8169 error in dmesg, it's the network card.
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16:58<danielsh`>Ah! Solved.
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16:58<zeta>danielsh`: that link looks dead here. and i believe you didn't fully read what the bot told you. there are three packages you must install from backports for skylake
16:58<danielsh`>I had neglected to upgrade -intel to the bpo version as well.
16:58<danielsh`>zeta, spot on :)
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16:59<zeta>no, you neglected to upgrade the kernel
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16:59<danielsh`>I beg to differ :)
16:59<danielsh`>I was running bpo kernel and firmware-misc-nonfree with the jessie xorg-intel
16:59<danielsh`>upgrading the latter was the missing step
17:00<zeta>you should be on kernel 4.9, not 3.16
17:00<danielsh`>at any rate, thanks everyone for the help, great as usual :)
17:00<danielsh`>I am
17:00<danielsh`>and xrandr gives 1920x1080
17:00<zeta>oh, i must have misunderstood your message then
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17:00<danielsh`>well, maybe. But I'm all set now :)
17:00<zeta>great!
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18:01<Golarmo>My Jessie boots directly into commandline emergency mode after me giving the encryption password. I thought I had messed up /etc/fstab/, so of course I went and screwed it up even more. I am beginning to lose hope, but I can't seem to reinstall anything because neither grub2 or the BIOS can detect my bootable usbs. How can I start from a new slate?
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18:03<ach>[23:59:22] <+ach> so how the fuck i get idiots destroy my plans have computer
18:03<ach>[23:59:37] <+hal9001> idk try googling it
18:03<ach>[00:00:17] <+ach> is like you idiot destroy can have such a plan
18:03<ach>[00:00:35] <+ach> but i am also bored
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18:04<annadane>uh. okay.
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18:12<black>hey gays
18:12<black>whatsapp
18:12<black>i m new user in work
18:12<annadane>!chat
18:12<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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18:18<danielsh`>do you have a question ?
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19:03<BrainDance>Hey guys, quick question and hopefully this is an ok place to ask. I need to make a backup of an SD card. I'd like to just use DD to do it, problem is the SD card is very large, one partition, and half of it is just (partitioned) free space. Is there any way to use DD to make an image of the card without including the free space? Like, it's a 64gb card, 64gb partition, roughly 32gb used. Can I make an image
19:03<BrainDance>that is only 32gb?
19:06<amdgoon>maybe look into count= option for dd, BrainDance
19:06<amdgoon>I've used it with cloning drives.
19:08<BrainDance>ah ok, I'll look into that. Thanks amdgoon.
19:10<blast007>BrainDance: is it a ~64GB partition that is about half full?
19:12<BrainDance>yeah, exactly blast007
19:12<BrainDance>I guess, I could resize the partition and then back that up. That seems like a weird way to do it, but that would work right?
19:12<blast007>then do not do what amdgoon said as you do not know that it's contiguous data (and it likely isn't) so data might be spread all across the partition
19:12<blast007>why not use a filesystem based backup?
19:13<BrainDance>Well, this is the only thing I thought up to be honest. I only really want to make the image real quick so I can use the SD card for something else for a bit, then probably rewrite the image later tonight.
19:13<blast007>or use something like partimage
19:14<BrainDance>So it's not a real "backup" in a sense, just a way to temporarily move the partition. I would just copy everything over, but I think there might be something particular about the partition that I might not be able to just restore by copying everything back over again.
19:14<blast007>with partimage, "Only used blocks are copied and stored into an image file. The image file can be compressed in the GZIP/BZIP2 formats to save disk space..."
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19:16<BrainDance>oh neat. That looks a lot easier than using dd actually, I had never heard of partimage before. I'll give that a shot. Thanks blast007
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19:18<amdgoon>yes, with dd, you have to know where data is. partimage looks interesting.
19:19<BrainDance>So another question. If I have make a liveusb boot (to a writable usb drive with some freespace) and, boot to it and install some packages, will those packages stay installed between reboots? Or does the liveusb install revert to its original state when I reboot?
19:22<amdgoon>persistence is the keyword used generally for keeping data over reboots. its generally off, AFAIK.
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19:23<amdgoon>see what others can add. I've only played with making /home persistent.
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19:37<mormon420>seems like attempting to downgrade glibc is a bad idea no matter what
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20:00<BrainDance>hey another, hopefully final question, can I use the stable live install iso to make a bootable SD Card? It's only labeled as CD/DVD/USB, and quick googling isn't saying much.
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20:03<BrainDance>I mean... UEFI is magic right? So it would boot?
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20:13<blast007>BrainDance: the live DVD image doesn't support UEFI
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20:14<blast007>but it should legacy boot from an SD card as well
20:14<blast007>at least, if the system supports booting from the SD card
20:14<BrainDance>oh, damn. Well I mean as long as it boots. Unetbootin sees the sd card as if it was a usb drive so I mean... that should work right?
20:15<blast007>don't use unetbootin
20:15<BrainDance>It does. Well... I know it does with uefi :P
20:15<blast007>!unetbootin
20:15<dpkg>UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
20:15<BrainDance>I don't know if I've ever tried it as a legacy boot.
20:15<BrainDance>Oh, well, what should I use instead of unetbootin?
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20:16<blast007>https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-isohybrid
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20:17<BrainDance>ok, looks simple enough, thanks :)
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23:35<gtristan>Is it possible to install 64bit *only* debian ?
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23:40<ach>is it possible create a atomicfusion processor
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23:48<gtristan>ach, ummm... maybe ?
23:49<gtristan>not but really, was curious, I know multiarch is all the rage and all, but I could cut down the size of my 64bit installation by a *lot* if I could just omit the unused 32bit stuff
23:49<gtristan>not a feature ?
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23:51<ach>? if the architecture is 64bit then the software should 64 bit but 32 bit files are tinier and 16 bit tinier and 8 bit even
23:52<ach>also i think if you have a 64bit computer you have just the ability to run 64bit in core
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23:55<Mukyu>hello, I'm running Debian Jessie and I have processes running as strange usernames such as Debian-+ and message+, can someone please help me figure out how to tell whether these processes should be running or not (whether the system has some kind of virus, basically)
23:57<ach>use network diagnostic and look out the ports in active ports
23:59<ach>same as way is use netstat
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