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02:49<LiquidS>ellow world :) Trying to install debian on a laptop that already has a Win and is running a softwareRAID
02:50<LiquidS>I already tried adding dmraid=true, but drives still do not get recognised by installer
02:50<LiquidS>all help welcome :)
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02:59<jm_>is this a new laptop?
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03:08<LiquidS>in use couple of months
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03:08<LiquidS>i am trying to avoid a backup/reinstall
03:08<LiquidS>:)
03:10<jm_>but it's a brand new thing couple of months old?
03:10<jm_>as in hardware wise
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03:12<LiquidS>yes
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03:13<LiquidS>it has an SSD for startup and 2 500gb drives in a raid0
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03:13<jm_>so no raid on SSD?
03:14<LiquidS> no
03:14<jm_>or is raid some caching thing, not standalone drive?
03:14<jm_>sorry is SSD some caching thing, ...
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03:16<LiquidS>ssd is not for caching: has a small EFI partition, a partition for Win and another small partition for recovery
03:17<LiquidS>I would like to install on different drive: on the software raid
03:17<jm_>ok in that case I think you're out of luck -- http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/44694.html
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03:21<LiquidS>reading that post now: doesn't look good :s
03:21<LiquidS>page*
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03:24<LiquidS>thanks for clearing that out jm_
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03:25<jm_>no problem, I would suggest you to seek another opinion, i.e. someone who is more familiar with the subject
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04:19<the_incredible_bug>hi
04:19<the_incredible_bug>is there a way to run sound in firefox version >= 52 without installing pulseaudio?
04:20<the_incredible_bug>everything went smooth with alsa, now my cpu cannot handle youtube anymore
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04:35<ts78>hi, after installation via netboot the sd card can't be found by the kernel. maybe a module is missing?
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04:37<itd>ts78: Have a look at "dmesg | grep firmware".
04:37<ts78>in the busybox?
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04:40<itd>the_incredible_bug: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/52.0/releasenotes/ - doesn't look like =52.0 supports sound with ALSA (not sure about >52.0)
04:40<itd>the_incredible_bug: Just search for 'ALSA' on that page.
04:41<ts78>itd: nothing can be found with this command
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04:44<ts78>but with -i: it is related to acpi somehow: ACPI: [Firmware Bug]: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored | acpi PNP0A08:00: ([Firmware Info]: MMCONFIG for domain 0000 [bus 00-3f] only artially covers this bridge
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04:45<ts78>it's a UEFI netbook: Lenova Yoga 300
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04:46<itd>ts78: Does the cardreader show up in 'lspci -nn'?
04:46<jm_>or if it's USB lsusb
04:47<petn-randall>the_incredible_bug: What does the CPU load have to do with audio output?
04:48<ts78>the busybox does not know lspci
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04:49<ts78>usually the card appears under /dev/mmcblk0 but it doesn't in the newly installed debian. maybe I need to install a special package during installation?
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04:51<petn-randall>the_incredible_bug: The reason pulseaudio is required now is because many ALSA drivers only allow one input stream at a time, causing the "no sound in firefox" bug when something else is already accessing it.
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04:52<jm_>ts78: more likely you need to include relevant modules in initramfs image, man initramfs.conf
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05:01<the_incredible_bug>i don't know what is has to do with it - but cpu load was lower with alsa
05:02<the_incredible_bug>it seems i can compile alsa into firefox by changing some parameters, will try that
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05:02<petn-randall>the_incredible_bug: Can you show us the output of 'htop' to back that up?
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05:06<judd>Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 53.0.is.52.0.2-1; experimental: 53.0.is.53.0-1
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05:34<thinkl33t>I'm having some trouble with simple-cdd on stretch, getting a gpg verification error when it tries to build its package cache. Is this the right place to ask about it?
05:36<TotallyNotKim>#debian-next should be helpful for stretch
05:37<thinkl33t>Ta :)
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07:02<minikdo>Hi. Any tools to get terminal notification on new mail in maildir? Biff like... Thanks
07:03<minikdo>I mean no pop-up windows, etc
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07:11<grawity>for live notifications, configure your mail server to use actual biff
07:11<grawity>or something equivalent
07:11<grawity>or set $MAIL to the maildir path, bash should support that
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07:14<minikdo>grawity: ok, I'll try that. I thought biff was meant to deal with /var/spool/mail
07:15<grawity>hmm, I don't remember the biff protocol exactly
07:15<grawity>but IIRC it was possible to adapt it to Maildir just fine
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07:15<grawity>since it doesn't do checks on its own, it relies on the smtp service
07:15<grawity>or on the MDA rather
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08:09<Tuor>Hi, what is a "systemuser": man adduser -> --system
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08:18<itd>Tuor: Best I can offer: look for 'system user' in 'man useradd'.
08:20<Tuor>itd, ah right UID<1000 this system user ^^ I was "thinking to far"
08:20<petn-randall>Tuor: A system user is usually a user account that has the password locked, the login shell set to /bin/false, and is only used by daemons to drop privileges to.
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08:30<Tuor>petn-randall, yes thx. I was just thinking the wrong way. Should have known. ;)
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08:32<Tuor>what is the adduser equivalent to: useradd -G group1,group2,group3 #?
08:38<blast007>Tuor: at least once the user is created, you can run 'adduser UsernameHere GroupNameHere' to add user to a group.
08:39<Tuor>blast007, I know. I would just be easy to add multiple groups to a new user, when you create the new user.
08:40<blast007>so use useradd instead of adduser?
08:40<Tuor>yea^^
08:41<Tuor>In the man, it's written to use adduser and that it has the same feature...
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09:00<ArGoSaX>hello
09:01<ArGoSaX>someone could Tello me how muchas RAM memory i Need foro run debían 9 with lxde desktop?
09:02<blast007>how much do you have?
09:03<ArGoSaX>2gb
09:03<ArGoSaX>do You think Will be enought?
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09:03<ArGoSaX>32 bit
09:03<blast007>I'd think that would be fine, though it of course depends what all you're going to run. Web browsers can be a bit hungry.
09:04<ArGoSaX>i Will use firefox
09:04<somiaj>ArGoSaX: that is higher than the minimum's given in the release notes.
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09:04<ArGoSaX>ok thanks you
09:05<somiaj>it should still be fine, though I would have a swap, which may slow things down if you start using to much ram
09:05<ArGoSaX>Noe i hace Windows 7 Andrés It works good
09:06<somiaj>ArGoSaX: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch//i386/ch03s04.html.en
09:06<ArGoSaX>You think debían Will be ligher?
09:06<ArGoSaX>ok i look It, thanks you
09:06<somiaj>you can get away with less than that, but those minimums are fairly small, and well under what you said you have
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09:06<somiaj>ArGoSaX: depends on which desktop you use. Some of the bigger desktops aren't ath much 'lighter' than windows
09:07<ArGoSaX>this os because i choose lxde, i think its the mostrar light, isnt It?
09:08<the_incredible_bug>it is very light, not sure if there is a lighter one
09:08<the_incredible_bug>openbox maybe - but it should be close
09:08<blast007>I believe lxde is also used on the Raspberry Pi's main OS, if that gives you an idea of how light it is :)
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09:09<ArGoSaX>ok thanks You for all
09:09<ArGoSaX>the Next week Will be abble yo download the 9?
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09:10<blast007>Estimated release is the 17th, if all goes well
09:10<ArGoSaX>i Hope tes hehe
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09:10<ArGoSaX>thanks You for all, ser You!
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12:16<Tuor>Preseed is working now with a late_command: lvremove -f vg01/dummy
12:16<Tuor>it's a hack but works.^^
12:18<Tuor>Thx for your help and good night.
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14:31<rrs>boa tarde
14:31<rrs>estou com um problema no debian
14:31<rrs> alguem poderia me auxiliar
14:31<bremner>!br
14:31<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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14:38<th>what is the best way to keep a fifo open? I want to read 1000 lines from it with 'head -n 1000 < myfifo', but i do not want it to close after head exits.
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14:40<itd>th: 'tail -f myfifo | head -n 1000'? ;)
14:41<itd>th: Not sure if that is a good or the best way.
14:41<th>i like it, looks very nice on first sight
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14:47<th>hm it does not give any output, while cat myfifo does
14:48<th>maybe tail does not know where the end of a fifo is?
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14:50<th>ah yes, but it keeps it open ... sorry
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14:51<grawity>um
14:51<grawity>how exactly would tail know where the end of a fifo is
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14:52<grawity>anyway -- { head -n 1000; cat > /dev/null; } < myfifo
14:52<th>yes it cannot ... true
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14:55<th>doesn't this put data from myfifo into /dev/null?
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14:57<grawity>it does
14:57<grawity>if you like bash -- exec {fd}<myfifo; head -n 1000 <&$fd
14:57<grawity>that'll keep $fd around until that process exits
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14:57<grawity>until that *shell* exits, that is.
14:57<grawity>(or until you do 'exec {fd}<&-')
14:58<grawity>note though that `head` usually reads a bit more than 1000 lines
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14:59<th>thanks, i did not know that
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15:02<sherab>anyone knows how to instal latest sbcl?
15:02<bremner>sherab: what's "latest"?
15:02<annadane>,v sbcl
15:03<judd>Package: sbcl on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.0.57.0-2; jessie: 2:1.2.4-2; stretch: 2:1.3.14-2+b1; sid: 2:1.3.14-2+b1
15:03<bremner>or that.
15:03<bremner>nothing in backports, apparently
15:03<annadane>it depends on what your version of debian is (stable, testing, unstable)
15:03<annadane>generally, "apt install sbcl"
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15:03<bremner>!next
15:03<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
15:04<bremner>there should be a "terminator" snippet that says "They'll be back..."
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15:10<Jimbo>How many packages depend on systemd?
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15:12<jelly>about 350
15:12<grawity>isn't there `apt-cache rdepends`
15:12<jelly>give me my three fitty reference dammit
15:13<annadane>this is spartaaaaaaaaaaa?
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15:13<jelly>Jimbo: systemd the binary package, or systemd the source package?
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15:13<rrok>i am th, i was disconnected. tail -f seems to know where the end of the pipe is if it does not fill up too quickly - just as a remark.
15:13<Jimbo>binary package
15:14<jelly>do alternative deps count, Depends: systemd | somethingelse ?
15:14<rrok>thanks for the help
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15:15<jelly>but yeah, rdepends.
15:16<Jimbo>it seems that alot of packages depend on systemd even firefox
15:16<bremner>did you actually try the command given?
15:17<jelly>judd: depends firefox
15:17<judd>No package named 'firefox' was found in jessie/amd64.
15:17<jelly>judd: depends firefox-esr
15:17<judd>Package firefox-esr in jessie/amd64 -- depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>= 2.17), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libevent-2.0-5 (>= 2.0.10-stable), libffi6 (>= 3.0.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.11), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.31.8), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libhunspell-1.3-0
15:17<judd>(>= 1.3.3), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.8), libstdc++6 (>= 4.9), libx11-6, libxcomposite1 (>= 1:0.3-1), libxdamage1 (>= 1:1.1), libxext6, libxfixes3, libxrender1, libxt6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.0), fontconfig, procps, debianutils (>= 1.16), libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.7.12-1~).
15:17<jelly>Jimbo: note lack of word systemd in there.
15:18<bremner>post fact era, you know
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15:19<Jimbo>Guess I was misinformed.
15:19<jelly>check your sources
15:19<annadane>this is madness!
15:20<jelly>apt-cache rdepends systemd |grep '^ [^ ]'|sort -u|wc -l ... a mere 52 on stretch
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15:21<jelly>I'm honestly disappointed
15:21<jelly>Jimbo: how big is your alot
15:22<jelly>http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_D_Z-D2tzi14/S8TTPQCPA6I/AAAAAAAACwA/ZHZH-Bi8OmI/s400/ALOT2.png
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15:22<jelly>https://www.google.com/search?q=alot&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch for more alots.
15:25<Jimbo>I guess I just fell into the hype.
15:26<Jimbo>I remember I tried removing systemd way back when and it removed ALOT of packages.
15:26<jelly>I don't know how that alot looks like
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15:26<jelly>or what it looks like, either
15:27<Jimbo>Im recalling from memory
15:27<Jimbo>so idk
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16:39<a2>hello all
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16:54<ArGoSaX>hi!
16:54<ArGoSaX>what do you think about LXQT?? it's better than LXDE??
16:55<annadane>ArGoSaX, #debian-offtopic
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16:59<itd>ArGoSaX: It is not better. LXQT is LXDE + Razor-qt.
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17:05<itd>ArGoSaX: Or more precise: https://github.com/lxde/lxqt/wiki/History
17:08<ArGoSaX>ok thanks you
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19:49<annadane>as i understand it, the only time you need to reboot is a kernel upgrade, is that correct?
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19:52<nsa_mike>Hello Hacks!
19:52<bremner>some library updates as well
19:53<bremner>well, maybe if you're careful you can just restart services.
19:53<annadane>i wonder if the terminal actually tells you
19:54<bremner>see, e.g. package needsrestart
19:55<annadane>i know that when i did my migration to stretch in stable i got a popup in the notification area which was "system restart required"
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19:55<annadane>but that may have been because it was a dist upgrade (i actually don't remember whether it was during apt upgrade or dist-upgrade)
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19:56<annadane>nevertheless it clearly has that functionality
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19:58<nsa_mike>USA?
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20:19<Jimbo>I installed debian 7 and I installed the firmware-antheros drivers but I still cant use wifi.
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20:27<piper>Debian 8.8 was released May 6th, 2017
20:27<piper>Debian 8.0 was initially released on April 26th, 2015
20:29<Jimbo>Ok and?
20:31<awal1>7 is no longer supported. is your machine new, Jimbo?
20:31<Jimbo>7 has extended support until 2018
20:31<Jimbo>I can not stand debian 8 and no my PC isnt that new
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20:33<ach>Do you know which wireless card you have?
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20:34<awal1>"extended support"
20:35<ach>oh well but i think you could try it it is not ressoucre struggling
20:35<ach>if you could tell your specs
20:36<ach>or just do dmesg and paste
20:36<ach>!paste
20:36<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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20:37<Jimbo>I have an Antheros AR9565 on board card
20:37<Jimbo>ive treid debian 8, dont like it.
20:37<ach>my jessie is running stable with 512mb ram 1.7 Ghz processor and i think upgrade
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20:42<piper>Jimbo: did wifi work on 8 ?
20:42<Jimbo>Yep
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20:43<Jimbo>Still not upgrading to it
20:43<Jimbo>ive tried it and I hate it.
20:43<piper>what exactly do hate about it
20:44<piper>do you*
20:44<Jimbo>A multititude of things.
20:44<piper>i loved woody, but i did upgrade
20:45<Jimbo>I dont want to get into my reasosn for not liking 8, I dont want to start a flame wart
20:45<Jimbo>war*
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20:45<piper>well, i understand now
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20:46<awal1>as I know, extended support is very limited, not all pkgs are supported
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20:48<Jimbo>So what should I do?
20:51<ach>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=107377
20:52<ach>http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/getting-wifi-to-work-atheros-ar9565-debian-wheezy-4175525403-print/
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20:55<ach>as i overflyed it you need a newer kernel then the backports
20:56<ach>as i even never tried to use the backports
20:56<ach>hopefully helped you
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21:05<Jimbo>so just upgrade the kernel?
21:05<Jimbo>and it should work?
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21:06<ach>seems
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21:15<robdeb>Hi all, please, I'd like to format a usb card here, is there other application for mate used in debian jessie 8.8 except for Disks ?
21:16<ach>hi
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21:23<awal1>robdeb, check 'gparted'
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21:25<robdeb>installed here and succesfully formated here,awal1, thanks for support ! :)
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21:26<robdeb>nice to see you again, awal1 :)
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21:27<annadane>yeah i was going to suggest gparted but i didn't 100% know
21:29<ach>^ yeah annadane
21:29<ach>hm
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21:35<robdeb>in some cases, I had some issues using Disks, but with Gparted, all tasks here were finished succesfully, annadane
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21:37<robdeb>well, see you !
21:37<robdeb>Bye all !
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21:44<awal1>,v disks
21:44<judd>No package named 'disks' was found in amd64.
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21:45<aruna_>hi how does one isntall kernel headers for a different kernel ? meaning *not* the running kernel ! I am running 3.something and want to get the 4.11.4 headers how do I do this ?
21:45<dvs>,v floppies
21:45<judd>No package named 'floppies' was found in amd64.
21:45<aruna_>*install
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21:47*aruna_ I downloaded 4.11.4 and compiled ok. make then make modules then make modules_install then make install then it complains saying kerenl headers not found
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21:48*aruna_ there was also some warning about /lib/modules not being found
21:49<ach>it is some kind of trick by editing one file?
21:49<ach>yeah i am retard
21:50<ach>:<
21:50<ach>no
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21:53<robdeb>Please, is that possible to format a read-only memory sd card ? (use fat32 fs)
21:56<ach>i don't know if it was an sd card and not a micro they never got it real working that it works
21:57<ach>robdeb but that a past several existences away
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21:58<robdeb>I see, ach
21:58<robdeb>well, thanks anyway :)
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22:02<ach>there for help on :<
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23:09<user_>hellow
23:10<user_>hi
23:10<annadane>hi
23:10<annadane>!ask
23:10<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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