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00:00<jmcnaught>because it has a network configuration daemon which they made to be modular
00:00<somiaj>yea sounds like something for networkd
00:00<somiaj>though that isn't used in debian by default, unsure how to turn it on, though I think one could choose to use it.
00:01<jmcnaught>there's a note about it in the systemd package's README.Debian
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00:04<jmcnaught>if you use networkd and nspawn containers, then guests will get a host0 interface automatically configured, and the host gets an interface for each guest. also there's a libnss-mymachines that does name resolution for nspawn containers
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01:33<rob_debian>Hi all, please, where can I find specific support for 'gparted' application, such as any irc channel ?
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01:54<annadane>i previously installed xfce, then purged it and did an apt autoremove. it still shows up in my "pick a session" thing. how does one remove it?
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01:57<jm_>what do you see in /usr/share/xsessions?
01:59<annadane>jm_, doesn't exist
01:59<annadane>i'm on stretch, using kde
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01:59<annadane>i see that /usr/share/xsessions has xfce.desktop
02:00<annadane>oh, xsessions
02:00<jm_>annadane: so what doesn't exist then?
02:00<annadane>i misread that as "sessions", sorry
02:00<jm_>so dpkg -S /usr/share/xsessions/xfce.desktop
02:00<annadane>so, yeah. lightdm-xsession.desktop, plasma.desktop and xfce.desktop
02:01<annadane>i guess just remove it then?
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02:01<jm_>are you saying dpkg shows no package owning that file?
02:02<annadane>jm_, no, sorry. dpkg -S shows: "xfce4-session: /usr/share/xsessions/xfce.desktop"
02:02<jm_>annadane: so try purging that package
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02:03<annadane>gotcha
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04:28<jlh>Hello everyone! Is it possible that there is no longer an 'npm' package in Debian stretch? Even packages.debian.org doesn't list it...
04:30<chele>yes
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04:31<zeta>jlh: it was removed in april because it wasn't getting updated. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=857986
04:31<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/857986 in npm (open, moreinfo, sid, stretch): «npm: package is 3 years old (consider removal?)»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-03-16; last modified: 2017-05-22.
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04:40<jlh>Thanks for the pointers. I suppose it's because nobody maintains the debian package anymore... npm itself seems quite alive last time I checked
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04:43<jlh>Looks like it. There's a PPA for newer versions, I'll try to go with that. Thanks again
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04:56<zeta>jlh: don't use random PPAs meant for ubuntu. node offers debian builds themselves: https://nodejs.org/en/download/package-manager/#debian-and-ubuntu-based-linux-distributions
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05:09<jlh>Ah yes, that's the one I'm using. PPA was just the wrong word :)
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08:48<blblkblkbr>hi, my debian box fails to boot with this message: https://i.redditmedia.com/JrEWBX1C96rfmbDx-WTCfDWGaZ5JHs9hHJAXnFeJ6t0.jpg?w=1024&s=80cda8daa1febe48883a3baaa1932f14
08:49<blblkblkbr>but I can boot by selecting emeregncy mode in grub, and then pressing ctrl+d when asked for the root password
08:49<blblkblkbr>(i don't have these errors when booting in emergency mode)
08:50<blblkblkbr>the disks that fail to start appear to be 2 luks encrypted drives but they are just storage drives
08:50<blblkblkbr>ie not /home or /
08:50<blblkblkbr>halp
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08:52<blblkblkbr>I have checked /etc/fstab and there's nothing weird or irrelevant, these 2 disks are not even in there. All my other drives are mounted by UUID.
08:53<blblkblkbr>First it displays 'A start job is running for dev-disk-by\x2duuid...' and after 1min30 (there is a timer) it bails out
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09:31<mrbugbyte>anyone's there?
09:32<towo^work>!anyone
09:32<towo^work>it doesn't seem so
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09:36<petn-randall>blblkblkbr: Those aren't LUKS devices, AFAICS. Those long hex strings are just the UUID. It doesn't seem to be related to LUKS.
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09:37<blblkblkbr>petn-randall: oh you are right, I just checked the UUIDs an they match my home partition and a swap partition
09:38<petn-randall>blblkblkbr: I'd run 'blkid' and compare it to the UUID in your /etc/fstab. Maybe there's a typo or they changed.
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09:40<blblkblkbr>petn-randall: what's strange is that they work perfectly when I boot in emergency mode -> ctrl+d -> desktop session
09:40<blblkblkbr>petn-randall: I'll check right now
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09:41<petn-randall>blblkblkbr: You mean they get mounted cleanly? IIRC emergency mode ignores failures in /etc/fstab.
09:41<blblkblkbr>petn-randall: they get mounted cleanly yes. I'v just checked and all UUIDs in /etc/fstab are correct
09:41<blblkblkbr>I only have 3 partitions in there and they are all correct
09:42<petn-randall>blblkblkbr: I'd check 'journalctl -xe' for any errors when booting in normal mode. There should be a more verbose error message.
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09:43<blblkblkbr>petn-randall: sorry, I forgot to mention, when I boot in normal mode, I wait 1min30, it fails, then it prompts me with the message pictured above, and 'You are now in emergency mode' (sorry it's outside the picture, right below the bottom edge...), except keyboard input doesn't work and I have no choice but Ctrl+Alt+Del or a hard reboot.
09:44<blblkblkbr>So I can't even investigate in normal mode (can't login)
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09:45<blblkblkbr>I've tried journalctl -xb after booting correctly but there is nothing relevant
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09:48<blblkblkbr>fsck and smartctl show no warnings/errors
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10:01<piper>blblkblkbr: i suggest you run a live cd and run as root both lsblk and sfdisk -l and compare that to your fstab
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10:07<blblkblkbr>piper: what should I look for? If the UUIDs detected by sfdisk/lsblk are different than my fstab?
10:07<blblkblkbr>*from
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10:09<piper>ouch, i meant blkid not lsblk
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10:10<blblkblkbr>piper: 'sudo blkid' and 'cat /etc/fstab' report the same UUIDs as far as I can see
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10:11<piper>blblkblkbr: yes, so i read above, please try with a live cd/dvd/usb, that will rule out "nothing changed"
10:12<blblkblkbr>piper: ok, good idea
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10:17<tjis>did we lose the dpkg bot?
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10:40<jack_>hey
10:40<somiaj>tjis: dselect can be used as a backup until dpkg returns if you need access to some factoids
10:41<tjis>thanks
10:41<tjis>but is dpkg alright? I miss them :(
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10:43<somiaj>I'm sure it is fine, there is occsional network problems. I can inform the owner if dpkg dosen't return soon
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10:46<TotallyNotKim>is dist-upgrading inside a chroot with proc, sys, dev & boot bindings safe?
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10:47<rudi_s>TotallyNotKim: What is your definition of safe in this context? Will it break the non-chroot system, most likely no. Can the code in the chroot in theory affect the outer system, yes.
10:48<rudi_s>Oh, boot might be problematic though.
10:48<TotallyNotKim>not security wise
10:48<TotallyNotKim>"will it work"
10:48<TotallyNotKim>im ready to handle a broken grub
10:48<rudi_s>Except for boot, most likely yes, as it won't touch anything in proc, sys, dev.
10:48<TotallyNotKim>alright
10:49<TotallyNotKim>thanks
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13:10<annadane>general question about firmware-linux-nonfree, is it just kind of a generic package that includes firmware most people would probably need? because i know when i was having graphical issues someone told me to install firmware packages (non free) which wasn't that, so i assume it only includes a set number of generally useful packages
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13:15<annadane>and then there's firmware-misc-nonfree
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13:42<rtwld>hi to all
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13:44<rtwld>i'm having performance problems with jbd2, any advice?
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13:46<itd>rtwld: You should give more details.
13:49<rtwld>the system becomes very slow, even the keyboard is having delays, when the system access the / or home partition. iotop points to jbd2, already set the noatime option in fstab ... looking for other ideas or tests
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13:53<petn-randall>rtwld: Is iotop showing the disk being 100% busy, though?
13:54<petn-randall>rtwld: jbd2 usually shows up at the top of an idle system if the filesystem was freshly created.
13:54<rtwld>97-98%
13:55<petn-randall>rtwld: Might be a faulty disk that is trying to re-read the same block over and over. I'd use smartctl to test the disk for faults.
13:55<rtwld>the filesystem wasn't freshly created, and it's almost full, now is ext3, but in the (near) future i'd like to convert to ext4
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13:57<rtwld>little experience with smartctl: which options are more important in this case?
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14:03<lindi->petn-randall: wouldn't that just cause a lot of waiting, not cpu usage?
14:03<lindi->rtwld: is this a server?
14:03<rtwld>lindi: no desktop
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14:04<rtwld>please note that I have 3 firefox windows open with lot of tabs
14:05<lindi->rtwld: SSD?
14:06<rtwld>lindi: no hdd
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16:38<baphomet>hi
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17:02<ullbeking>I'm using these instructions to make a Debian boot/OS USB stick: https://verahill.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/361-installing-debian-on-usb-stick-from.html
17:03<ullbeking>So not a regular live OS, but actually really booting and running the OS from a semi-permanently attached USB stick
17:03<ullbeking>Does anybody know of similar instructions, along the same topic, but which encrypt the whole USB stick?
17:04<ullbeking>I've heard you can even encrypt /boot in some situations
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17:05<Walex>ullbeking: an USB stick is just a storage device. The Debian Installer supports setting up encrypted volumes.
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17:30<Arcade>I have a question here: on boot I keep seeing this message "tpm tpm0: A TPM error (7) occurred attempting to read a pcr value" is there a reason why on boot Debian scans the TPM chip?
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17:33<Brigo>Arcade, i guess it is the hardware autodetect kernel feature.
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17:36<Arcade>just seems interesting that after it posts "tpm tpm0: TPM is disabled/deactivated (0x7)"
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17:38<blurr>I get the same message when I boot, I don't think it is anything to be concerned about
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17:43<Arcade>I just did not know if it was related to a bug or something as the TPM is read only
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17:47<Arcade>I will see if the issue is there when the next release comes out this weekend I have a few things to tweak myself anyhow as far as fixing the theme after playing with the beta release thank you
17:48<itd>Arcade: AFAIK it is not a bug. If you don't want to see the error message disable the TPM or blacklist the tpm module.
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17:51<Arcade>ok
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18:51<ach>nerved why you against computer
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18:52<mnuhmnuh>ullbeking: i didn't read that doc, but any bootable iso you find can just be "cp blah.iso /dev/sdWHATEVER". it'll wipe whatever's on it but you can boot it.
18:53<mnuhmnuh>ullbeking: i run tails on a laptop from a usbkey doing that.
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19:04<rob_debian>Hi all, I'm facing some issues with 'youtube-dl' here, that I installed through backports. It stops download process in this phase: [youtube] hCafE5eeyDo: Downloading MPD manifest
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19:05<rob_debian>I tried it in several youtube videos, but couldn't extract anyone of them. Please, how to fix this issue ?
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19:05<rob_debian>now, it displayed the message: ERROR: unable to download video data: <urlopen error [Errno 110] Connection timed out>
19:06<blurr>rob_debian, I would suggest downloading the newest version from their site https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/download.html
19:06<rob_debian>Hi blurr, in the case, how to install it ?
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19:07<blurr>once downloaded you can place it in ~/bin
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19:07<rob_debian>ok, how do I proceed, blurr ?
19:08<blurr>download https://yt-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl
19:09<rob_debian>this whole line ?
19:09<blurr>I would copy and paste the url in a browser and save it to ~/bin
19:15<rob_debian>ok, let me try it, I never did it before
19:17<rob_debian>Please, blurr, is that the correct path? https://youtube-dl.org/
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19:17<rob_debian>it's a tar.gz file
19:18<blurr>I would use this url https://yt-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl
19:19<rob_debian>ok. blurr, downloaded here, now, let me see how to save it to ~/bin
19:20<rob_debian>I'll try it through mate interface
19:20<rob_debian>can I save it in bin folder ?
19:21<blurr>you can save it /usr/bin/
19:21<rob_debian>there is bin, boot, dev, etc, home, lib, lib64
19:21<blurr>if that doesn't work save it to /home/user/bin
19:21<rob_debian>ok, blurr, do I have to reboot the system after that ?
19:21<blurr>no, u do not
19:22<rob_debian>ok
19:22<rob_debian>but first of all, I have to remove youtube-dl here
19:22<blurr>it would be a good idea to do that
19:23<rob_debian>blurr, I installed this youtube-dl version through backports... do I have to use any specific command to remove it ? or just 'apt-get remove youtube-dl' should be enough ?
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19:23<blurr>apt-get remove is good
19:23<rob_debian>fine, blurr. Thanks !:)
19:24<blurr>you are welcome :)
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19:26<rob_debian>Bye blurr ! nice to meet you here and thank you very much for great Support !
19:26<rob_debian>Bye All !
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19:35<likcoras>Do I need to use different state files for logrotate if I have two separate logrotate configurations that run at different times?
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19:42<rob_debian>Hey blurr, it didn't work. At first I tried to save it in my home/r4fkramer directory, but it displayed 'permission denied'
19:42<rob_debian>so I booted as root and saved it in /usr/bin, but it didn't work here
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19:53<rob_debian>Please, I've installed 'youtube-dl' stable here, through 'apt-get install...' and displayed about suggested packages: frei0r-plugins
19:54<rob_debian>Please, where can I get information about this package in debian for youtube-dl ? 'frei0r-plugins'
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19:56<sney>rob_debian: 'apt show packagename' which you would know if you bothered to remember anything we have told you over the years. or print this out and keep it handy http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf
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19:58<rob_debian>Hi sney, yes, you are right :) I even think it took me a long time to get scolded, but it was deserved, sorry for that, sney, and glad to see you here again!
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21:48<ach>need to set it to ip all randomly ip's are blocked
21:54<tomg2>i don't know ach, probably try a znc channel? :)
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22:10<ach>Can i find on irc.freenode.net?
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22:12<bremner>find what?
22:12<ach>a znc channel?
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22:12<ach>or just the listen-on command of znc?
22:13<bremner>yes, there is a #znc on freenode
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22:42<zpp>Hola que tal ?
22:42<sney>!es
22:42<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
22:43<zpp>thanks
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23:00<phillw>Hi guys... you must be fed up of this... but is there actually a link to get https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#newdistro from ?
23:01<sney>what do you mean?
23:02<sney>oh, to download stretch pre-release? yeah, you can upgrade from current stable (recommended) or there are installers here that are of varying quality: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer
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23:05<phillw>sney: don't ban me, I'm a RHEL guy but one of the girlz who has VM facility asked if I could get her an ISO spun up. And, who am I to refuse :)
23:05<sney>? what does that have to do with anything
23:05<sney>do you have a question that wasn't answered with what I already told you?
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23:09<phillw>sney: yes. the link to download from
23:09<sney>ok.
23:10<ach>so noone wants give i secure
23:10<phillw>sney: I've had a dig around and there is no obvious link from testing to download.
23:11<sney>testing is intended for experienced debian users to help with the development process of the next stable release, so this is somewhat intentional
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23:12<sney>however, you can also plug "debian installer iso" into a given search engine and get the page I linked you
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23:12<ach>i do
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23:13<phillw>sney: well, as some one has asked me to set up a VM for it. I'm not too sure at what level they would be at? For me.... I've granted them a VM.
23:14<sney>this close to release it's fine for most people to use, we are post-freeze so it'll be around as stable as most non-enterprise distro releases
23:15<sney>at other points in the development cycle it can get weird so it's preferred that people know what they are doing somewhat before using it and clogging up the support resources
23:17<phillw>sney: let me ask you and others as question. The person asking knows this and wants to throw it about. Using a VM is exactly that environment.
23:17<phillw>sney: permission to PM?
23:17<sney>no
23:18<sney>ask support questions in the channel only
23:19<phillw>sney: it was not a support question... it was to tell you that the person asking for the test ISO has over 7 years of iso testing....
23:19<sney>ok? and this is relevant how
23:19<sney>if you want to play with testing you now have the resources to do so
23:20<sney>you asked for some clarification on why it was hard to find the iso so I told you, but it's not like we need to log people's reasons for doing it or anything
23:20<sney>tell your friend to have fun, if they need support go to #debian-next. and er that's probably all
23:21<phillw>sney: I will do so.... but also advise her to move to CentOS.
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